better p4p: couture / fedor

[zarman]

i mean over their whole career, not now

[québecwarrior]

Is it already time for the dumb question of the month?

[québecwarrior]

take my comment with your sense of humor.

[zarman]

Is it already time for the dumb question of the month?

why? first time i posted on UFC. watching UFC the other day and this came up between mates and they where split

[196osh]

Fedor by a fucking country mile.

[196osh]

Fedor is so far ahead of couture as a fighter they are not in the same league.

[ufoalf]

You and your mates are quite new to MMA. It's that simple.

[zarman]

You and your mates are quite new to MMA. It's that simple.

yer im a huge boxing fan. dont know much about MMA outside the ufc big draws

[québecwarrior]

Randy Couture vs Fedor in COuture's prime would have been a good fight where Fedor would still come up like the winner.

Couture's only chance would be to cut Fedor's paper skin and win due to the fight being stopped on cuts.

[ufoalf]

yer im a huge boxing fan. dont know much about MMA outside the ufc big draws


Fedors accomplishments are only superseded by the longevity of the domination of the heavyweight division.

He's been widely considered as the best HW fighter in the world since 2003's beating of prime Nogueira. Nog was at the time thought to be invincible because he beat the best of the crop. When Fedor showed up and dominated Nog people didn't come out of shock for a week. They both again met in 2004 World HW GP in finals. To get to the finals they had to beat the best of the best. UFC's heavyweight division at the time was shit compared to Pride. It was ruled by two people, Arlovski and Sylvia.

So until this day, Fedor is still considered the best HW in the world and arguably best p4p in the world which is a title generally given to fighters of lighter weight divisions.

Now Couture, he's a beast. But let's face it, he's gotten free tickets to the championship few too many times. Hell since 2001 he's had 1 or 2 non title fights? Really? He got a HW title shot after 5 year semi successful light heavyweight run. Not taking anything away from Couture, he's a fantastic fighter, but his "greatness" was achieved with some luck. Like the fact that UFC HW division sucked so bad that an old man walks in and gets a title shot without winning or even having a HW fight in 5 years. He DID have to do the work to win but in a young MMA every fight is a potential loss. Therefore him not fighting others to become a CLEAR #1 contender before a title shot is a quite fortunate any way you look at it.

I hope UFC gets Fedor, Barnette, Arlovski, Alex.E., and someone loike Overeem. And they will have exciting HW fights everytime.

[chimba]

is this a joke? I'll put it this way, had these two met 6-7 years ago, Randys future wouldnt have been as bright as it is now

[cdnboxing]

Couture is arguably one of the most overrated fighters in MMA history.

[Beebs]

Quit being elitist assholes unless you want it back when somebody asks you about 125lb c class shooto; he wasn't stating his case he wanted an answer, if you want to go beyond a simple fun joke, go fuck yourself because a lot of you aren't much further along, and all of you used to wonder the same questions.

[rekcutnevets]

zarman, I think I may know where you're coming from. Couture made it to the top in two divisions, where Fedor has always remained in one. I'm a boxing fan, and often times in boxing a fighter with world titles in multiple weight division is ranked higher p4p than a fighter that has strictly fought at heavyweight. Your question would be similar to a boxing debate comparing the careers Evander Holyfield with Muhammad Ali.

I'll attempt to answer your question. Fedor is better p4p. Most regard him as the best p4p fighter in his sport. Couture isn't even regarded as the best of any single division.

[BewareofDawg]

Is this a joke?

[socrates]

no question.

the russian.

[scurlaruntings]

i mean over their whole career, not nowTake it your one of those "brand" UFC fans. Im feeling another shift in the clever dumb balance folks....:roll:

[maximumsg]

fedor has'nt fought competition close to coutures. The guys fedor beats have been chewed up and spit out by couture or beat by the guys couture beat. sylvia couture won who beat arloski big nog got smoked by mir who has been stopped 4 times. fedor better get to the ufc if he wants to prove himself.

[Boinko]

Couture hasn't even got a pity vote!

[rekcutnevets]

Well guys, it looks like you might have run off a poster. He wasn't antagonizing, he may have become a knowledgeable fan.

[Beebs]

Well guys, it looks like you might have run off a poster. He wasn't antagonizing, he may have become a knowledgeable fan.

Thank you, I tried to say the same thing.

There is a time to be an asshole, a rather simple question in good faith is not one of them.

He was ignorant, not stupid; there is a big difference.

[Tko4]

32-0. Um, case closed.

[Boinko]

why? first time i posted on UFC. watching UFC the other day and this came up between mates and they where split

You're question wasn't dumb. In fact, if you're new to MMA, it's a perfectly reasonable question.
For people who have followed the sport for awhile the answer seems to be a no brainer, hence the smart ass answers. I think people get jaded on message boards because there are so many trolls and idiots looking to cause trouble, and they assume they worst when a newbie asks a question.
Our bad.

[ufoalf]

fedor has'nt fought competition close to coutures. The guys fedor beats have been chewed up and spit out by couture or beat by the guys couture beat. sylvia couture won who beat arloski big nog got smoked by mir who has been stopped 4 times. fedor better get to the ufc if he wants to prove himself.


That's like saying w/e Royce did in early UFC is bullshit cause he got beat by Matt Hughes so easily. You can't throw away the wins because those were different times.

He has had great competition through his career. He beat best of the crop in pride with few circus exceptions. He beat those circus exceptions with a lot of respect in timely matter as a champion of his caliber should.

You can't discredit Fedors win over Arlovski because he was widely thought to be #2 HW in the world at the time he fought him ONLY because he got beat by Rogers in such brutal manner MONTHS later. The same way you can't discredit Gonzagas win over crocop because CC was a top10 at the time they fought.

On the other hand if Crocop gets beat by dos Santos in their fight, it's not a HUGE win for dos Santos because CC is no longer top10. At least not as big as if it would have been if it was him and not Gonzaga that beat CC that day.

As far as the original poster asking a newbie question I don't understand why people pounced on him so hard. He's new to the MMA and it's that simple. No need to antagonize even though I understand people who are annoyed by common trolling that happens around here due to negativity towards MMA. I think people should use better judgement when reading these posts and read between the lines looking for the sincerity in ones comments or questions. After all, this sub-forum is on a boxing website and should be at least a decent representative of hybrid fans that can help connect the two seemingly opposing sides turning fans of either sport into fans of both.