Why Kessler will beat Calzaghe...

[Astola]

Ok.

Some of the people on this glorious board has discussed this fight as if there where no other fights.

Blocky, Danepugilist, THN, Boxfan99, Faetterbr, Amsterdam, CinaHandJoe, Sandwichssurgeon, JC, and I could keep on going.

Youre all doing good. Blocky included:good


Anyway - here's my views.

IMHO the fight will be a very good display of Soutpaw vs orthodox. Furthermore the fight will be a tactical affair where JC will try to get "inside" on Kessler in order to land the combos. MK will try to keep Joe at a distance to control fights the way he usually does.

The thing is - neither fighter is imo able to be succesull at their usual gameplan.

Kessler will not be able to live of his jab because of Joes right hand and Joe wont be able to get on the inside because of Kesslers counter right and extreme control of distance.

This is just one of the things that makes this fight a 50/50 fight.

Because - what will Joe do when he gets punished by the counter right? What will Kessler do when his jab doesnt play the big part anymore?


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Ive come to the conclusion that Kessler will win the fight.
Even if Joe WILL get more goodwill on the scorecards I think Kessler takes it in a possible SD or maybe even in a tko/ko.

The main reason in this prediction is that I feel kessler is the only fighter in Joe's career who is able too outbox him from the distance.

This obsoletes the southpaw/orthodox advantages and furthermore brings another aspect to the game.
In the Lacy fight, Joe was the fighter waiting for the other, which usually is a HUGE tactical advantage. Thus meaning, that the agressor often doesnt have the full perspective in either infight or on the outside.

Kessler will be waiting for Joe all night if its what it takes. And when Joe tryes he will be punished - either by the counter cross or the left hook (which he wont expect).

On the other hand I can see Joe getting to Kessler and throw him around just like he did to Lacy....
But I am almost certain that this wont happen because MK is bigger, faster and has a superior punch arsenal, faster feet and a well functioning tactical gameplan compared to Lacy.

Some bold analysists have also claimed that Kessler's jab wont be a factor at all. This is stupid. An orthodox jab (especially a pistol one) will often be used against a southpaw, in order to settle for other punches when the southpaw tries to get in. In other words it is usually displayed as bait, because the southpaw will fell safe to move when he has evaded the jab.

This is well documented in boxing history, my friends.

The fight will explode in the 10'th round.
A counter cross, a left hook - goodnight Joe Calzaghe.



:think

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler is one of the best I have ever seen, he'll win against the 35 year old.

Not with a left hook though.

[sonny73]

If Kessler wants to upset bookies he should lose on points...the bookies will be pretty upset with that outcome.

[Astola]

If Kessler wants to upset bookies he should lose on points...the bookies will be pretty upset with that outcome.

Changed.

[Astola]

Kessler is one of the best I have ever seen, he'll win against the 35 year old.

Not with a left hook though.


No, no I agree. But this fight will bring somethign new on Calzaghe and something new on Kessler.

Tactically, stylistically - Kesslers left hook will be SO overlooked:deal

[China_hand_Joe]

No, no I agree. But this fight will bring somethign new on Calzaghe and something new on Kessler.

Tactically, stylistically - Kesslers left hook will be SO overlooked:deal

You do know Calzaghes trainer is the quintessential boxing genius?

[Astola]

You do know Calzaghes trainer is the quintessential boxing genius?

Oh no.

I totally overlooked that.

Im fucked.

[DanePugilist]

Danes-Blocky TKO 1.

[DanePugilist]

Great analysis, Astola, btw:good

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe will outjab Kessler, mark my words.

It could turn out to be an uneventful fight, where Calzaghe easily out boxes his opponent on the outside.

[Astola]

Danes-Blocky TKO 1.

He's been very hard on the Danes. By some mistake apparently, his relentless atacks on this nation has convinced bookies all over the world that Joe is the HUGE favourite. Hmmm:huh

Homo sapiens sometimes acts irrelevant and seemingly without an evolutionary objective. This must the explanation in this case, I guess.

[Astola]

Calzaghe will outjab Kessler, mark my words.

It could turn out to be an uneventful fight, where Calzaghe easily out boxes his opponent on the outside.


That is highly unlikely, my friend.

If he does - Elvis Presley will fall from the sky and land on top of the Loch Ness monster.

Wish I cold make a bet on that one...:D

[kg0208]

That is highly unlikely, my friend.

If he does - Elvis Presley will fall from the sky and land on top of the Loch Ness monster.

Wish I cold make a bet on that one...:D

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[kg0208]

Who are you again?
The Big Dipper.

[China_hand_Joe]

That is highly unlikely, my friend.

If he does - Elvis Presley will fall from the sky and land on top of the Loch Ness monster.

Wish I cold make a bet on that one...:D

Calzaghe has the quicker more accurate jab.

I know you find this hard to accept seeing as Kessler's best weapon is his jab, but Kessler really is in that much trouble.

[boxfan99]

I'm Calzaghe's biggest critic ! I think he will win the fight . Kessler hasn't fought anybody . Joe has more experience and Kessler seems like he's easy to hit . Plus Joe seems to have a good chin . Hopkins -Calzaghe is the fight but since Hopkins is so old Joe has a chance . I'll be rooting for Hopkins and I know he's the better fighter . :good

Yes, you are definately the biggest Calzaghe critic I have encountered.:patsch :lol:

[kg0208]

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The Big Tarver Dipper.....

[Astola]

Calzaghe has the quicker more accurate jab.

I know you find this hard to accept seeing as Kessler's best weapon is his jab, but Kessler really is in that much trouble.


CHJ - seriously.

That is totally insane.

Fullstop.

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler's carries a little more weight, but that is it.

It carries more weight as he is more settled when he throws it.

Calzaghe isn't settled which means he can better follow it up, with genuine power slaps.

One purpose of a jab is to set things up, which is why Calzaghe's quicker, more education and accurate jab whuch sets up vicious combinations is superior.

[Snorkel]

... Joe wont be able to get on the inside because of Kesslers counter right and extreme control of distance.



People keep saying it, but I still don't see it. Kessler isn't a great counter puncher. He has a good straight right but he throws it off the jab, not as a counter. Even if he does manage to counter Calzaghe with it, Joe's stood up to bigger punchers before so I can't see him getting stopped by a single punch.

[Astola]

Kessler's carries a little more weight, but that is it.

It carries more weight as he is more settled when he throws it.

Calzaghe isn't settled which means he can better follow it up, with genuine power slaps.

One purpose of a jab is to set things up, which is why Calzaghe's quicker, more education and accurate jab whuch sets up vicious combinations is superior.


Calzaghe wont have a jab contest with Kessler.

Im dead certain.

Read my initial post regarding the yellow marked statement.

[China_hand_Joe]

I am his biggest critic asshole . I'm -X- from the forum . I made up Fraudzaghe . I bash the guy constantly for having a bullshit defense record among other things so fuck off . That's my real opinion of the fight you Kessler ball suck . Sorry it's not what you want to hear :finger

You are no different to the average American poster mate.

[kg0208]

You are no different to the average American poster mate.

Stop generalizing China. Or haven't I driven that home enough for you.

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe wont have a jab contest with Kessler.



That depends on his mood.

He can counter Kessler, swarm him, outboxhim, outbrawl him - do many choices.

Kessler can try to outbox Calzaghe at range, but when he comes to the realisation of what he is up against, he may as well throw the towel in, round one.

[Astola]

People keep saying it, but I still don't see it. Kessler isn't a great counter puncher. He has a good straight right but he throws it off the jab, not as a counter. Even if he does manage to counter Calzaghe with it, Joe's stood up to bigger punchers before so I can't see him getting stopped by a single punch.


I know - but u forget that Joe is in need of getting on the inside. Kessler is better on the outside.

Im pretty sure Kessler throws the straight right just as good without the jab. He uses the jab for tactical reasons and he has been bigger than many of his foes. In the Andrade fight Kessler throws alot of straight rights without the jab.

[China_hand_Joe]

Stop generalizing China. Or haven't I driven that home enough for you.

You are my favorite American poster mate.

I nominated you on the "best analyst thread".#

The solid views you have despite your handicap (being American) can be an inspiration to the other yanks.

[Astola]

That depends on his mood.

He can counter Kessler, swarm him, outboxhim, outbrawl him - do many choices.

Kessler can try to outbox Calzaghe at range, but when he comes to the realisation of what he is up against, he may as well throw the towel in, round one.



:yep

[kg0208]

You are my favorite American poster mate.

I nominated you on the "best analyst thread".#

The solid views you have despite your handicap (being American) can be an inspiration to the other yanks.

I give up China. You are off your rocker and more than a little biased, but you are funny:deal

And when serious, actually know what you're on about (most of the time)

[DanePugilist]

I am his biggest critic asshole . I'm -X- from the forum . I made up Fraudzaghe . I bash the guy constantly for having a bullshit defense record among other things so fuck off . That's my real opinion of the fight you Kessler ball suck . Sorry it's not what you want to hear :fingerYou are the best poster on this forum - in fact on any forum. FPOTYN is in the mail - check it out.

[China_hand_Joe]

:yep

It is frustrating nobody else realises what a great boxer the world is blessed with right now.

Calzaghe is like the grass-court Federer of boxing.

You have no idea of the quality and versatility he posses, he can beat practically any fighter in history at their own game.

[DanePugilist]

Calzaghe has the quicker more accurate jab.

I know you find this hard to accept seeing as Kessler's best weapon is his jab, but Kessler really is in that much trouble.This is correct, but Kessler will rumble Calzaghe with his flurry attacks and swarm him from start to finish. Watch out for the Uppercut.

[China_hand_Joe]

This is correct, but Kessler will rumble Calzaghe with his flurry attacks and swarm him from start to finish. Watch out for the Uppercut.

Sorry mate, you a great poster, but delusional on the topic on Kessler.

In order to give Kessler a chance you are having to dismiss the outside game of the man who can shut-out world level contenders one-handed.

[DanePugilist]

It is frustrating nobody else realises what a great boxer the world is blessed with right now.

Calzaghe is like the grass-court Federer of boxing.

You have no idea of the quality and versatility he posses, he can beat practically any fighter in history at their own game.I think you mean Federer of the clay court, and Kessler is the Nadal of the clay.

[nrgetic]

I am big fan of Kessler but I think Calzaghe has the right to be a strong favourite

Kessler by Points

- Calzaghe is not big enough to hold and hit Kessler as he has done with other opponents
- Calzaghe will be more cautious against Kessler because Kessler has the power to damage Calzaghe and the jab to punish Calzaghe on the way in so the frequency of opportunities Calzaghe has to get in will be significantly reduced.
- Kessler is bigger and has the stature to keep Calzaghe at distance which is very much not the style that Calzaghe prefers
- Calzaghe has a good chin – he can Kessler’s best punch and his elusiveness probably means he will not get hit too frequently but possibly enough to lose rounds
- Calzaghe will need to move a lot against Kessler and the judges might favour Kessler for this reason
Kessler has very good footwork and this will make life hard for Calzaghe


Kessler by Stoppage

- Calzaghe makes a lot of mistakes and he could get caught
- Calzaghe is very square when he throws his combinations and could get caught and Kessler will easily hit him to the chest or shoulders, throat or head down the middle every time and very hard, Calzaghe will think twice about spending anytime in close with Kessler even though Kessler is not a good inside fighter, against Calzaghe does not need to be
- Calzaghe often jumps in but Kessler jab will send him backwards if Kessler times him
- If Calzaghe stops moving or is stunned he is getting KOed



Calzaghe by Points

- Kessler like to be set and Calzaghe working the angles could seriously disrupt Kessler rhythm
- Calzaghe is faster and has a higher punch output than Kessler and this could impress judges
- Kessler is an orthodox fighter 6’1” tall and has a wide leg stance which he uses to generate his power and throws the jab his main weapon every 3 or 4 seconds when a target is stationary in front of him like Lucas and Siaca were. doubles up on the jab well but Kessler does not paw with it, he leans into it and really ramrods the jab home with very good effect, often rocking his opponents head and so not letting his opponent to get into a rhythm.
Also Kessler circles exclusively to his left, making it much easier for the southpaw to get outside and around him.
- Kessler is an orthodox fighter 6’1” tall and has a wide leg stance which he uses to generate his power and throws the jab his main weapon every 3 or 4 seconds when a target is stationary in front of him like Lucas and Siaca were – Calzaghe will not be in front of Kessler and Calzaghes movement will significantly disrupt Kessler pattern.
- Kessler doesn’t move his head much so he could be a relatively easy target and Calzaghe could accumulate points/rounds because combinations impress the judges even though they may not have much impact on Kessler
- Calzaghe will use lateral movement stepping to his right and outside of Kessler’s front foot, which Kessler with a wide foot stance will have a lot of trouble adapting to.
- Calzaghe has a high work rate which means that Kessler will be constantly resetting and hence not achieving enough effective aggression to win rounds consistently.
- The fight is in Cardiff with a very parochial crowd – this may have some influence on the judges.

Calzaghe by Stoppage

- Calzaghe could exploit his speed advantage and accumulated damage on Kessler could result in a late stoppage or if Calzaghe exploits his speed advantage in a flurry
- Dodgy hometown stoppage?

Any comments - viewpoints?

[DanePugilist]

Sorry mate, you a great poster, but delusional on the topic on Kessler.

In order to give Kessler a chance you are having to dismiss the outside game of the man who can shut-out world level contenders one-handed.You are a greater poster, but still in your reversed nightmares.

I am dismissing that, but JC is totally unprepared for the inside Kessler. Furthermore, JC won't be one-handed, he will be no-handed, since both hands will break while he tries to do a Hamad entrance into the ring.

[kg0208]

I don't think either of them is Federer of boxing in any way lol.

Federer equates to a Pep or Armstrong in quality.

Calzaghe is closer to an Agassi.

[Astola]

It is frustrating nobody else realises what a great boxer the world is blessed with right now.

Calzaghe is like the grass-court Federer of boxing.

You have no idea of the quality and versatility he posses, he can beat practically any fighter in history at their own game.


Well - Im on the Calzaghe train. No Doubt. But his win over Lacy doesnt stand alone. Ashira etc....

[BigReg]

I don't think either of them is Federer of boxing in any way lol.

Federer equates to a Pep or Armstrong in quality.

Calzaghe is closer to an Agassi.

Calzaghe is more of a Layton Hewitt

[Astola]

I don't think either of them is Federer of boxing in any way lol.

Federer equates to a Pep or Armstrong in quality.

Calzaghe is closer to an Agassi.


Spot on. :good

[kg0208]

Calzaghe is more of a Layton Hewitt

You're probably right.

But I struggled to find an immensly talented tennis player who was content to never really play in the majors but win smaller tourneys on the side in the 5 seconds I thought of that post:D

[DanePugilist]

I am big fan of Kessler but I think Calzaghe has the right to be a strong favourite

Kessler by Points

- Calzaghe is not big enough to hold and hit Kessler as he has done with other opponents
- Calzaghe will be more cautious against Kessler because Kessler has the power to damage Calzaghe and the jab to punish Calzaghe on the way in so the frequency of opportunities Calzaghe has to get in will be significantly reduced.
- Kessler is bigger and has the stature to keep Calzaghe at distance which is very much not the style that Calzaghe prefers
- Calzaghe has a good chin – he can Kessler’s best punch and his elusiveness probably means he will not get hit too frequently but possibly enough to lose rounds
- Calzaghe will need to move a lot against Kessler and the judges might favour Kessler for this reason
Kessler has very good footwork and this will make life hard for Calzaghe


Kessler by Stoppage

- Calzaghe makes a lot of mistakes and he could get caught
- Calzaghe is very square when he throws his combinations and could get caught and Kessler will easily hit him to the chest or shoulders, throat or head down the middle every time and very hard, Calzaghe will think twice about spending anytime in close with Kessler even though Kessler is not a good inside fighter, against Calzaghe does not need to be
- Calzaghe often jumps in but Kessler jab will send him backwards if Kessler times him
- If Calzaghe stops moving or is stunned he is getting KOed



Calzaghe by Points

- Kessler like to be set and Calzaghe working the angles could seriously disrupt Kessler rhythm
- Calzaghe is faster and has a higher punch output than Kessler and this could impress judges
- Kessler is an orthodox fighter 6’1” tall and has a wide leg stance which he uses to generate his power and throws the jab his main weapon every 3 or 4 seconds when a target is stationary in front of him like Lucas and Siaca were. doubles up on the jab well but Kessler does not paw with it, he leans into it and really ramrods the jab home with very good effect, often rocking his opponents head and so not letting his opponent to get into a rhythm.
Also Kessler circles exclusively to his left, making it much easier for the southpaw to get outside and around him.
- Kessler is an orthodox fighter 6’1” tall and has a wide leg stance which he uses to generate his power and throws the jab his main weapon every 3 or 4 seconds when a target is stationary in front of him like Lucas and Siaca were – Calzaghe will not be in front of Kessler and Calzaghes movement will significantly disrupt Kessler pattern.
- Kessler doesn’t move his head much so he could be a relatively easy target and Calzaghe could accumulate points/rounds because combinations impress the judges even though they may not have much impact on Kessler
- Calzaghe will use lateral movement stepping to his right and outside of Kessler’s front foot, which Kessler with a wide foot stance will have a lot of trouble adapting to.
- Calzaghe has a high work rate which means that Kessler will be constantly resetting and hence not achieving enough effective aggression to win rounds consistently.
- The fight is in Cardiff with a very parochial crowd – this may have some influence on the judges.

Calzaghe by Stoppage

- Calzaghe could exploit his speed advantage and accumulated damage on Kessler could result in a late stoppage or if Calzaghe exploits his speed advantage in a flurry
- Dodgy hometown stoppage?

Any comments - viewpoints?Great analysis. Long time since I have seen something from you. In my opinion all of the things mentioned are all very possible. Thats why its so hard for me to predict the outcome - My serious POV is that anything can happen, and nothing would surprise me really.

[DanePugilist]

I don't think either of them is Federer of boxing in any way lol.

Federer equates to a Pep or Armstrong in quality.

Calzaghe is closer to an Agassi.Who wants to be the boxers of old? Or tennis players of old. Rod Laver would loose 6-1, 6-1 to Federer.

But Calzaghe can be old Agassi. Kessler will be Nadal.

[boxfan99]

I am his biggest critic asshole . I'm -X- from the forum . I made up Fraudzaghe . I bash the guy constantly for having a bullshit defense record among other things so fuck off . That's my real opinion of the fight you Kessler ball suck . Sorry it's not what you want to hear :finger

asshole, bullshit, fuck off, ball suck.
Wow, what a vocabulary.:patsch

No matter who you were, I see why you had to change profile.:lol: Oh yeah, you really hurt my feelings by the way, and now I'll make use of the "ignore"-option. Bye bye.:hi:

[China_hand_Joe]

- If Calzaghe stops moving or is stunned he is getting KOed



Kessler hasn't demonstrated that kind of power, I don't believe.

If you fail to stop Mundine it might be a fair assumption Calzaghe is not being stopped.

[DanePugilist]

Kessler hasn't demonstrated that kind of power, I don't believe.

If you fail to stop Mundine it might be a fair assumption Calzaghe is not being stopped.Kessler is better now than he was then - is Calzaghe better than he was two years ago?

[kg0208]

Who wants to be the boxers of old? Or tennis players of old. Rod Laver would loose 6-1, 6-1 to Federer.

But Calzaghe can be old Agassi. Kessler will be Nadal.
Federer wouldn't want to be the boxers of old. But his greatness in his sport aren't comparable to an active boxer IMO.

His accomplishments in his sport dwarf Calzaghe's is what I am saying.

He is arguably the greatest ever at his sport, and is certainly up there with Sampras and Borg....thus the reason I picked 2 of the top 10 fighters ever. None of the modern boxers are rated in the top 10.

[Astola]

I am big fan of Kessler but I think Calzaghe has the right to be a strong favourite

Kessler by Points

- Calzaghe is not big enough to hold and hit Kessler as he has done with other opponents
- Calzaghe will be more cautious against Kessler because Kessler has the power to damage Calzaghe and the jab to punish Calzaghe on the way in so the frequency of opportunities Calzaghe has to get in will be significantly reduced.
- Kessler is bigger and has the stature to keep Calzaghe at distance which is very much not the style that Calzaghe prefers
- Calzaghe has a good chin – he can Kessler’s best punch and his elusiveness probably means he will not get hit too frequently but possibly enough to lose rounds
- Calzaghe will need to move a lot against Kessler and the judges might favour Kessler for this reason
Kessler has very good footwork and this will make life hard for Calzaghe


Kessler by Stoppage

- Calzaghe makes a lot of mistakes and he could get caught
- Calzaghe is very square when he throws his combinations and could get caught and Kessler will easily hit him to the chest or shoulders, throat or head down the middle every time and very hard, Calzaghe will think twice about spending anytime in close with Kessler even though Kessler is not a good inside fighter, against Calzaghe does not need to be
- Calzaghe often jumps in but Kessler jab will send him backwards if Kessler times him
- If Calzaghe stops moving or is stunned he is getting KOed



Calzaghe by Points

- Kessler like to be set and Calzaghe working the angles could seriously disrupt Kessler rhythm
- Calzaghe is faster and has a higher punch output than Kessler and this could impress judges
- Kessler is an orthodox fighter 6’1” tall and has a wide leg stance which he uses to generate his power and throws the jab his main weapon every 3 or 4 seconds when a target is stationary in front of him like Lucas and Siaca were. doubles up on the jab well but Kessler does not paw with it, he leans into it and really ramrods the jab home with very good effect, often rocking his opponents head and so not letting his opponent to get into a rhythm.
Also Kessler circles exclusively to his left, making it much easier for the southpaw to get outside and around him.
- Kessler is an orthodox fighter 6’1” tall and has a wide leg stance which he uses to generate his power and throws the jab his main weapon every 3 or 4 seconds when a target is stationary in front of him like Lucas and Siaca were – Calzaghe will not be in front of Kessler and Calzaghes movement will significantly disrupt Kessler pattern.
- Kessler doesn’t move his head much so he could be a relatively easy target and Calzaghe could accumulate points/rounds because combinations impress the judges even though they may not have much impact on Kessler
- Calzaghe will use lateral movement stepping to his right and outside of Kessler’s front foot, which Kessler with a wide foot stance will have a lot of trouble adapting to.
- Calzaghe has a high work rate which means that Kessler will be constantly resetting and hence not achieving enough effective aggression to win rounds consistently.
- The fight is in Cardiff with a very parochial crowd – this may have some influence on the judges.

Calzaghe by Stoppage

- Calzaghe could exploit his speed advantage and accumulated damage on Kessler could result in a late stoppage or if Calzaghe exploits his speed advantage in a flurry
- Dodgy hometown stoppage?

Any comments - viewpoints?


That is an impressive post and sums up almost every view Ive seen in the las six months or so.

Dodgy stoppage wont do, though.

I have it 50/50. My gut-feeling says Kessler.

:good :good :good :good

[DanePugilist]

Yeah well anyone who still uses the word pugilist is a fucking retard with his head stuck halfway up his ass loving the smell ! Nobody is impressed by you so get over yourself :goodYeah, the name McLovin is a more fitting name. I wish I could change it, but I never make alternate accounts.

You are a quality poster with great insights into the sport of boxing. Forum Poster of the Year Nominee for sure. Not bad for a 10 year old boy.

[DanePugilist]

Federer wouldn't want to be the boxers of old. But his greatness in his sport aren't comparable to an active boxer IMO.

His accomplishments in his sport dwarf Calzaghe's is what I am saying.

He is arguably the greatest ever at his sport, and is certainly up there with Sampras and Borg....thus the reason I picked 2 of the top 10 fighters ever. None of the modern boxers are rated in the top 10.I agree - there are no Federers of boxing - yet. Kessler could be:lol: , but lets see.

As much as I loved Borg in my teens, Federer is just beyond any other, including him. Maybe some of it is due to lack of great opposition, maybe not.

What I was trying to say concerning the boxers of old is that none of them would last very long against the champions of today. Sports evolve - at least thats how I view it. People hang onto legends, and therefore can't be beaten in peoples mind, but maybe thats just me. At least I get what you are saying, and I should have left it at that - sorry.

[nrgetic]

These thoughts are an amalgum of mine and others but I am thinking this is probably 60 per cent in Calzaghe favour so Kessler should be paying $2.50 for fair value, he is currently paying $2.40 in Australia so he is just shy of fair value. I would need to see the odds move before I get on him or I might just capture the premium value on Calzaghe now - hard choice

[DanePugilist]

Please , I forgot more about boxing then you'll ever know jerk off .Don't worry your memory will probably return.

[kg0208]

I agree - there are no Federers of boxing - yet. Kessler could be:lol: , but lets see.

As much as I loved Borg in my teens, Federer is just beyond any other, including him. Maybe some of it is due to lack of great opposition, maybe not.

What I was trying to say concerning the boxers of old is that none of them would last very long against the champions of today. Sports evolve - at least thats how I view it. People hang onto legends, and therefore can't be beaten in peoples mind, but maybe thats just me. At least I get what you are saying, and I should have left it at that - sorry.

Got ya:good

[Decebal]

Don't worry your memory will probably return.

He is trying to run away from himself and you are rubbing his old self in his face!:-(

[nrgetic]

Great analysis. Long time since I have seen something from you. In my opinion all of the things mentioned are all very possible. Thats why its so hard for me to predict the outcome - My serious POV is that anything can happen, and nothing would surprise me really.

I have been working far too hard and and long hous never had time for anything else. I am trying to get things back into balance and hopefully get back into betting on boxing again if I have the time to do the required level of research

[DanePugilist]

These thoughts are an amalgum of mine and others but I am thinking this is probably 60 per cent in Calzaghe favour so Kessler should be paying $2.50 for fair value, he is currently paying $2.40 in Australia so he is just shy of fair value. I would need to see the odds move before I get on him or I might just capture the premium value on Calzaghe now - hard choiceVery hard - you might as well make a bet your heart. This fight is a pick'em fight, imho.

Are there any odds on a rematch?

[DanePugilist]

I have been working far too hard and and long hous never had time for anything else. I am trying to get things back into balance and hopefully get back into betting on boxing again if I have the time to do the required level of researchGreat to have you back - just in time to give us a great analysis before the fight ensues:cool: .

We have a prediction thread going, its only in the 2nd week, and the more the merrier on the 3rd. There aren't any money involved, but its still great fun - and a place to compare with others.

Else I just hope you find the time to do research and betting, since extra cash and the extra excitement is always grand.

[Decebal]

Go jerk off to a video game nerd boy ! :good

Take a hike bro...

[DanePugilist]

He is trying to run away from himself and you are rubbing his old self in his face!:-(It was merely a false prophecy - calm down, this great poster will never return to his former self.

[Decebal]

I'm not your bro dickface !

"Bro", as in "brothel swab":smooch

[DanePugilist]

Go jerk off to a video game nerd boy ! :goodWay ahead of you mate. Soon you can do the same - your balls should drop in a few years.

[Decebal]

No , Bro as in go brush your teeth you dirty englishman !

You are a fast 'un...I am going to have to watch it with you!

[Axe]

Kessler is one of the best I have ever seen, he'll win against the 35 year old.

Not with a left hook though.

Love the Kessler hype from certain Calz fans. :rofl

[Morrissey]

Kessler is one of the best I have ever seen, he'll win against the 35 year old.

Not with a left hook though.

Now, you are really, really underrating Joe.

Kessler will just be one of JC's wins in his career.

[buddynabuick]

That doesn't even make sense ?



Yes it did:good

[Dantes]

Fuck you !

Welcome back Dipper Brown, do you still hate white people?:think

[cuchulain]

That doesn't even make sense ?

Makes more sense than:

Douche It's can't even !

You had one or two reasonable posts when you were back on your meds....

...but when you forget your prescription, you slip right back into keyboard Tourette's Syndrome.

[cuchulain]

Welcome back Dipper Brown, do you still hate white people?:think


Haven't see dipper on here for a while.

You could be right.

[caballo]

I actually view the fight exactly the opposite as you do.

[THN]

Simply bc. he's a better boxer!

[KO Boxing]

But I struggled to find an immensly talented tennis player who was content to never really play in the majors but win smaller tourneys on the side in the 5 seconds I thought of that post:D
:lol:

Calzaghe ain't no Aggassi.

[Harry]

Simply bc. he's a better boxer!

:nono kessler sucks at slapping :yep or maybe not :huh

[boxfan99]

Funny, again, I rip apart an analysis of a Dane and no one wants to touch it.

Perhaps nobody wants to waste time on you, have you ever thought about that? By the way I thought you were tired of discussing this "shit", but that was obviously just another lie.:hi:

[Fat Tony]

On the other hand, you've got a boxer who (...) has decent stopping power and has stopped better opponents than Kessler..


Names?

[cuchulain]

Who are you again, little kid?


A poster.

Same as you, Blocky.

And one whose response to your post was on target, unlike your earlier analysis of the 'Dane'.

[heidegger]

All you fags stfu and get ready for calzaghe to get his face caved in.

[Astola]

Funny, again, I rip apart an analysis of a Dane and no one wants to touch it.

First of all - Im not Danish.

Second. You dont rip apart anything - where excactly did I state that Calzaghe would come in head first?

You make stuff up - change small parts. Interpret.

Fool.

[boxfan99]

:blabla :-((

[Amsterdam]

Kessler will be waiting for Joe all night if its what it takes. And when Joe tryes he will be punished - either by the counter cross or the left hook (which he wont expect).

On the other hand I can see Joe getting to Kessler and throw him around just like he did to Lacy....
But I am almost certain that this wont happen because MK is bigger, faster and has a superior punch arsenal, faster feet and a well functioning tactical gameplan compared to Lacy.

Was what you said, bucko - all indicating that Joe is only ever going to try to get on the inside, you didn't eloborate how he's going to do that.

The funniest thing though - Kessler has a superior punching arsenal to Lacy? Since fucking when?

Oh give me a fucking break.

You dip to incredible lows to discredit MK. I've seen Kessler throw 6-8 punch combinations, accurately and with good handspeed.

[Amsterdam]

i think he's referring to bone-shaking bombs rather than punch variety - but he'll probably correct me.

No, ol' Blockman believes that Lacy's offensive punching variety is superior to Kessler's.

Honestly, power is not far off, neither guy are 1 punch KO hitters, just good punchers that carry heavy hands.

Librado Andrade and Alejandro Berrio posses true 1 punch KO power, but obviously are not up there in the skill department, even though Andrade is very effective for his purposes and will make some serious noise.

[Amsterdam]

Let Andrade/Berrio beat someone like Robin Reid, Syd Vanderpool or Scott Pemberton before saying they've got more power than Lacy.

Yusaf Mack is a Pemberton level fighter, Berrio KOed him.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Kessler has a superior punching arsenal to Lacy? Since fucking when?

Since Lacy hasn't learned to us a jab, or to work off one. :patsch

[boxfan99]

Judging Lacy off his fight against Calzaghe doesn't bode well when Calzaghe does the same thing to Kessler, probably in more brutal fashion due to Kessler not having the chin.

Before Joe? Lacy did work off of the jab but like I've been saying all along, you blind fuck, the jab isn't a good weapon against Calzaghe beacuse he doesn't get hit that often with it.

Kessler not having a chin like Lacy??? Unlike Lacy Kessler was never KOed as an amateur and has never been close to going down as a pro. How does that indicate that he doesn't have a chin? But I guess, since he is eurotrash according to you that includes not having a good chin.:nut

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler not having a chin like Lacy??? Unlike Lacy Kessler was never KOed as an amateur and has never been close to going down as a pro. How does that indicate that he doesn't have a chin? But I guess, since he is eurotrash according to you that includes not having a good chin.:nut

Lacy's chin clearly developed as he got older and more bulky.

[PeterNielsen70]

Don't blame anyone for how Lacy got beaten against Calzaghe - praise Calzaghe - is what I'm saying, that performance was something special and he outboxed Lacy from the outside, inside and did so all night without any real flaw.

Kessler is about to experience the same.

What score do you predict then, 120-108 times 3 in favour of Joe? Or a Joe KO victory?

[Astola]

The idiocy of boxing fans.

Lacy was supposed to beat Joe because he would be too strong, too much pressure, too good on the inside and Joe wouldn't be able to keep Lacy on the outside because Lacy had a good defence and a structured game coming in.

Kessler is now supposed to beat Joe because he's going to be too strong, too good on the outside and too capable of keeping Joe from getting in

Instead of praising Joe for obliterating an opponent who was seen as potentially the best in the division at the time (Yes, Lacy was ranked below Kessler on the Ring Ratings but had he won (like he was supposed too) then he would've been Ring Champ and above Kessler) - you all state that Lacy was a bum

Despite Lacy beating some top talent (better talent then Kessler, don't even fucking bring Bumdrade into this) - you all write him off as a shit boxer

A guy that was good enough to go to the olympics as an amateur doesn't know how to box? Fuck off.


The idiocy of you.

Lacy had a COMPLETELY wrong gameplan and followed it strictly untill it was way too late.

He came in - head first - in order to get inside and toss Joe around.

[China_hand_Joe]

The idiocy of you.

Lacy had a COMPLETELY wrong gameplan and followed it strictly untill it was way too late.

He came in - head first - in order to get inside and toss Joe around.Lacy used the perfect gameplan. Close eyes, swing and hope. It is in Mike's best interests to try the same.

You cannot possibly come up with a plan that would have helped Jeff.

[Astola]

Lacy used the perfect gameplan. Close eyes, swing and hope. It is in Mike's best interests to try the same.

You cannot possibly come up with a plan that would have helped Jeff.


As I see it, Lacy didnt even swing enough. He was trying to get in and manhandle Calzaghe. Stupid.

Lacy should have moved alot quicker around the ring and made Joe hunt him - then countepunch. Or he could have tried to take advantage of his longer reach by trading from the outside - then counterpunch.


But no - he put his head down low and almost ran into Joes quicker hands.

[China_hand_Joe]

As I see it, Lacy didnt even swing enough. He was trying to get in and manhandle Calzaghe. Stupid.

Lacy should have moved alot quicker around the ring and made Joe hunt him - then countepunch. Or he could have tried to take advantage of his longer reach by trading from the outside - then counterpunch.


Did it look to you like Lacy had any chance of countering Calzaghe -questionmark- No wonder you believe Kessler has hope.

Whatever Lacy tried, he was getting shut-out by the faster more skilled man. If you remember Calzaghe outboxed him, outbrawled him, tossed him around, swarmed him, countered him from both the inside and outside.

[Astola]

Did it look to you like Lacy had any chance of countering Calzaghe -questionmark- No wonder you believe Kessler has hope.

Whatever Lacy tried, he was getting shut-out by the faster more skilled man. If you remember Calzaghe outboxed him, outbrawled him, tossed him around, swarmed him, countered him from both the inside and outside.


I remember clearly.

It did not look like Lacy was capable of anything that night. But his gameplan was wrong. No matter how you twist it.

Lacy trained at least 4 months on this gameplan... Also - he was pretty confident, that he could KO Joe within the first six rounds.

[China_hand_Joe]

I remember clearly.

It did not look like Lacy was capable of anything that night. But his gameplan was wrong. No matter how you twist it.

Lacy trained at least 4 months on this gameplan... Also - he was pretty confident, that he could KO Joe within the first six rounds.

Lacy was one dimensional-ish, that was his one dimension. The only one he'll ever have.

[Astola]

Lacy was one dimensional-ish, that was his one dimension. The only one he'll ever have.


On this matter I tend to disagree with Enzo C. that it is impossible to prepare for Joe Calzaghe.

Lacy tested his talents against Joe - but he shold have been busier trying to make small changes too this style. Also adapt versatility troughout a fight. Changing lanes. Doing things differently than what you have been doing 95% of the time.

Kessler wont win if he doesnt fight different than what he did against Beyer. Im pretty fuckin sure he knows this.

The Andrade fight showed how Kessler also can throw 6 punch combos from the inside. Add that to his dominant right cross (both counter and lead) and his intelligence and stamina.

Kessler has no chance in hell.




:lol:

[Amsterdam]

Astola, are you worried Kessler loses?:D

And there is only 1 way to defeat Joe Calzaghe at his very best focus and preparation, and MK does not have the necessary intangibles like Jones did to do it.

[Astola]

Astola, are you worried Kessler loses?:D

And there is only 1 way to defeat Joe Calzaghe at his very best focus and preparation, and MK does not have the necessary intangibles like Jones did to do it.


No - Im not worried....

Im trying too make a point here. The Calzaghe hype (about this fight) is getting close to what the Lacy hype where.

I think its a 50/50 fight and get utterly disgusted by people who doesnt recognize what Ive seen in Kessler.

I agree that Joe has a huge advantage by intial stance and hometown advantage - but I fail too see how many of you can be so cocky about the outcome. MK is CLEARLY the best fighter Joe has ever faced....

MK has hardly ever lost a round.
MK is an intelligent fighter who indeed adapts to his opponents.
MK is the one fighter in the history of Calzaghes career that can beat him on the outside.

Besides these facts - Kessler is extremely talented and posess one of the best jabs, 1-2's and straight rights today.


But still - I cant wait for this fight to begin....I will own some Blocky after the fight:deal

[Max Molyneux]

Astola, are you worried Kessler loses?:D

And there is only 1 way to defeat Joe Calzaghe at his very best focus and preparation, and MK does not have the necessary intangibles like Jones did to do it.

Jones was too reflex reliant.