Calzaghe vs Kessler - fighting on the outside - a common misconception

[China_hand_Joe]

A sneak peak into the thought processes of a Kessler fan:


Kessler has won most of his fight thus far by using his jab as his best weapon. So in their minds, they come to the conclusion, he can do the same to Calzaghe.
However this is foolish, as they are forgetting one thing. Calzaghe is brilliant on the outside also.However the reasons why the Kessler fans ignore this, can be easily explained.


Calzaghe is known by many to be as his best as a swarmer type fighter. Arguably the best in the world at it. Then a common analytical error occurs. Having already come to the conclusion Calzaghe is great swarmer, they feel satisfyed with their analysis and don't see fit, or rather forget to analyse his outside game. It is the equivalent of a chess player spotting an excellent move and immediately moving before checking for other good move available. It leads to errors. It is especially convenient for the Kessler fan to not bother analysing 'swarmer' Calzaghe outside game, as this is where Mike Kessler excels. It is like the Lacy fans who failed to realise Calzaghe could outbox or out brawl renouned slugger Lacy. It is just the way Lacy and Kessler fans attempt to justify their views, to themselves.


So to summerize the thinking of a Kessler fans thinking:
Calzaghe brilliant swarmer + Kessler with brilliant jab and boxing skills = Kessler can win on the outside

WRONG



Not only is Calzaghe the best swarmer in boxing right now, he is also one of the very best (if not number one) boxers on the outside. Nobody has ever, ever got the better of him at range, ever. His speed, movement and accuracy means he is actually better than Mike at range.

So:
Calzaghe immensely brilliant swarmer + Calzaghe immensely brilliant boxer + Kessler average inside game + Kessler brilliant boxer = Calzaghe winning on inside and outside = doom for Kessler

[McGrain]

That post is to long and strange for me to read when I can just wait and see.

I'm picking Calzaghe at the moment. One word of weirdness from the Calzaghe camp and i'm switching.

[DanePugilist]

Kessler will always be the better man on the outside. Simple as that really.

Great post nonetheless...

[THN]

So:
Calzaghe immensely brilliant swarmer + Calzaghe immensely brilliant boxer + Kessler average inside game + Kessler brilliant boxer = Calzaghe winning on inside and outside = doom for Kessler[/quote]

Dammit! :patsch I've just booked tickets, all dressed up and nowhere to go:think

[Decebal]

That post is to long and strange for me to read when I can just wait and see.

I'm picking Calzaghe at the moment. One word of weirdness from the Calzaghe camp and i'm switching.

:lol: So you have finally decided to put a gun to China_hand_Joe's temple, have you?

[McGrain]

:lol: So you have finally decided to put a gun to China_hand_Joe's temple, have you?


If I did, I would never actually pulled the trigger.

Unless he failed to recant.

[Decebal]

If I did, I would never actually pulled the trigger.

Unless he failed to recant.

CHJ recant? He will push you over the edge, temple against gun barrel!

[Lampley]

I'm still tipping Calzaghe slightly as well due to his versatility, but this is close enough that both sides should be considered.

So many of the Calzaghe fans have displayed a lazy arrogance -- they're begging for a comeuppance.

[China_hand_Joe]

That post is to long and strange for me to read when I can just wait and see.

I'm picking Calzaghe at the moment. One word of weirdness from the Calzaghe camp and i'm switching.

I have reformatted it for your benifit mate.

[McGrain]

I have reformatted it for your benifit mate.

I appreciate that though.

[Amsterdam]

That post is to long and strange for me to read when I can just wait and see.

I'm picking Calzaghe at the moment. One word of weirdness from the Calzaghe camp and i'm switching.

My friend, strangeness surrounds the camp and the entire fanbase. We're arguably the oddest bunch ever as a whole.

[kg0208]

My friend, strangeness surrounds the camp and the entire fanbase. We're arguably the oddest bunch ever as a whole.

Perhaps....cept those 2 or 3 Ruiz fans. They are odd based sheerly on that.

[Amsterdam]

Perhaps....cept those 2 or 3 Ruiz fans. They are odd based sheerly on that.

Sure. But the JC fanbase is generally extremely knowledgable about boxing, other fanatical fanbases are often just stupid. Then add in the eccentric qualities and just CHJ himself, we take the cake.

[China_hand_Joe]

Perhaps....cept those 2 or 3 Ruiz fans. They are odd based sheerly on that.Some of us (maybe just me) are Ruiz sympathsizers too.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Sure. But the JC fanbase is generally extremely knowledgable about boxing, other fanatical fanbases are often just stupid. Then add in the eccentric qualities and just CHJ himself, we take the cake.

:lol::lol:

Of course, since you say it, it must be true huh?

[kg0208]

Some of us (maybe just me) are Ruiz sympathsizers too.

Then you are in a league all your own China. You broke the mold. :deal

[China_hand_Joe]

:lol::lol:

Of course, since you say it, it must be true huh?We have a simple one question test, to determine whether or not someone is knowledgable about boxing>

Q> Prime for prime who win a boxing match under modern rules at 168... Joe Calzaghe or Sugar Ray Robinson -questionmark-

[Amsterdam]

:lol::lol:

Of course, since you say it, it must be true huh?

Yes, because I said so, tool.:D

[kg0208]

We have a simple one question test, to determine whether or not someone is knowledgable about boxing>

Q> Prime for prime who win a boxing match under modern rules at 168... Joe Calzaghe or Sugar Ray Robinson -questionmark-

Do people actually say Ray Robinson?

[China_hand_Joe]

Do people actually say Ray Robinson?80-85%+ give Calzaghe no chance at all.

[THN]

Kessler is treatet like Calzaghe before the Lazy fight, underrated as hell.
He can fight inside as well, but never needed it, I hope Calzaghe can press
Kessler to the limit, so we can see he's real potential.
I'm serius and I think Kessler will win pretty easy!

[kg0208]

80-85%+ give Calzaghe no chance at all.

Well I guess they labor over the fact that many have him as the best MW or top 3 at MW ever. He isn't in my top 5 MW. And at 168, I think Calzaghe takes a clear decision.

[China_hand_Joe]

Robinson could be competitive with the green Calzaghe, who was open to an aggressive lead right on an off day. Against a seasoned Calzaghe he is a massive underdog.

Big size difference, little skill diffrential, no stylistic advantage. You simply have to favor Calzaghe.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Yes, because I said so, tool.:D

Nuthugger.:yep

[Amsterdam]

Well I guess they labor over the fact that many have him as the best MW or top 3 at MW ever. He isn't in my top 5 MW. And at 168, I think Calzaghe takes a clear decision.

I think Robinson gets stopped even in an era/era comparison. A peak Calzaghe hit very hard in accumulation and would land on the open Robinson, who's speed is nowhere near Calzaghe's to begin with.

But then people say 'Robinson almost beat Maxim!'. My retort - 'What does that have to do with this'. Their comeback - 'Maxim is better than Calzaghe...'.

You see why JC fans are nuttttty?

[van the man]

So:
Calzaghe immensely brilliant swarmer + Calzaghe immensely brilliant boxer + Kessler average inside game + Kessler brilliant boxer = Calzaghe winning on inside and outside = doom for Kessler

Dammit! :patsch I've just booked tickets, all dressed up and nowhere to go:think[/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[41fever]

Joe C is excellent on the outside, but he'll be timed with a jab and Keesler right hand

[Still~style]

so your saying he's the best fighter in the world on the outside AND inside...yea right bud.

come fight night we'll see calzaghe slapping and swarming like he usually does.

[China_hand_Joe]

so your saying he's the best fighter in the world on the outside AND inside...yea right bud.


It is quite possible.

Not only that but the combination of the two means he is greater than the sum of his parts.

[THN]

It is quite possible.

Not only that but the combination of the two means he is greater than the sum of his parts.
I can see why people say youre are funny:lol: :lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler will always be the better man on the outside. Simple as that really.

Great post nonetheless...

I think we can all agree Joe Calzaghe is the best ever at every single aspect of boxing.

[Amsterdam]

I think we can all agree Joe Calzaghe is the best ever at every single aspect of boxing.

Good call CHJ, you had this pinned way back.

[yesihavearm]

haha nice CHJ

[LeedsLad]

Spot on with this thread mate!:good

[Clearly Cool]

Its funny, this fight was complete opposite to what I was expecting.

I thought it would be Kessler dominating on the outside and Calzaghe doing well on the inside. I thought Calzaghe would want to trade and Kessler would want to keep it on the outside.

But Calzaghe was the boxer and Kessler was trying to get on the inside. When they traded Kessler was doing his best work, and when they boxed Calzaghe was doing great.

Thats one reason boxing is so cool to watch....you never know how its going to go.

[PATSYS]

I think we can all agree Joe Calzaghe is the best ever at every single aspect of boxing.
And why is that?

[PrideOfWales]

Well, China_hand_Joe picks it 100%

[pecks]

When I saw this thread right now and read the opening post, I thought, yeah, everyones a genius in hindsight. Then I noticed the date.

Great analysis CHJ.

[SevenSamurai]

Kessler will always be the better man on the outside. Simple as that really.

Great post nonetheless...

:lol:

[Cloud]

JC is an ATG, for sure. He has flat out beat anyone put in front of him. Great boxer and fighter. The best at every aspect of boxing in history? That's stupid. Don't get me wrong, he is the bomb and I would take him over anyone else today at SMW but jesus christ...the best at everything ever? please...I can name people faster, stronger and with more punching powere pfp right now, even at that weight. JC just puts all his skills together phenomenally well. Best of all time? No. Has he convinced me he is in an absolute masterclass of boxing? Yes.

[Rollo]

I´ll have to rewatch the fight, but as I remember it Kessler actually was better than Joe in in-fighting. It seemed to me that everything was upside down in this fight as Joe was dominating from the distance.

[brooklyn1550]

Good call China_hand!

[Amsterdam]

Well, China_hand_Joe picks it 100%

He always does.

His new prediction is Calzaghe TKO 5 Hopkins.:yep

[Decebal]

He always does.

His new prediction is Calzaghe TKO 5 Hopkins.:yep

:yep

[boxeo#1]

A sneak peak into the thought processes of a Kessler fan:


Kessler has won most of his fight thus far by using his jab as his best weapon. So in their minds, they come to the conclusion, he can do the same to Calzaghe.
However this is foolish, as they are forgetting one thing. Calzaghe is brilliant on the outside also.However the reasons why the Kessler fans ignore this, can be easily explained.


Calzaghe is known by many to be as his best as a swarmer type fighter. Arguably the best in the world at it. Then a common analytical error occurs. Having already come to the conclusion Calzaghe is great swarmer, they feel satisfyed with their analysis and don't see fit, or rather forget to analyse his outside game. It is the equivalent of a chess player spotting an excellent move and immediately moving before checking for other good move available. It leads to errors. It is especially convenient for the Kessler fan to not bother analysing 'swarmer' Calzaghe outside game, as this is where Mike Kessler excels. It is like the Lacy fans who failed to realise Calzaghe could outbox or out brawl renouned slugger Lacy. It is just the way Lacy and Kessler fans attempt to justify their views, to themselves.


So to summerize the thinking of a Kessler fans thinking:
Calzaghe brilliant swarmer + Kessler with brilliant jab and boxing skills = Kessler can win on the outside

WRONG



Not only is Calzaghe the best swarmer in boxing right now, he is also one of the very best (if not number one) boxers on the outside. Nobody has ever, ever got the better of him at range, ever. His speed, movement and accuracy means he is actually better than Mike at range.

So:
Calzaghe immensely brilliant swarmer + Calzaghe immensely brilliant boxer + Kessler average inside game + Kessler brilliant boxer = Calzaghe winning on inside and outside = doom for Kessler

you are amazing. Unbelievable sh*t:thumbsup :good

[boxeo#1]

He always does.

His new prediction is Calzaghe TKO 5 Hopkins.:yep

:shock: :p mama mia

[China_hand_Joe]

He always does.

His new prediction is Calzaghe TKO 5 Hopkins.:yep

I am yet to make an official prediction on how Calzaghe brutalises Hopkins.

[Decebal]

I am yet to make an official prediction on how Calzaghe brutalises Hopkins.

This is true.

Calzaghe TKO 5, whilst realistic, is not the most likely scenario.

[mstar]

but it should be noted that joe commented to the press that kessler is not a good inside fighter and when joe went inside he dominated him. Joe had a few tatics for the fight if the fight developed he would fight inside too, kessler commentated how god he was inside he kept punching him inside etc
and no rest

[boxeo#1]

I am yet to make an official prediction on how Calzaghe brutalises Hopkins.

:D can't wait to see it, just out of curiosity