Baldomir Deserved the Decision over Mayweather

[Thread Stealer]

According to this writer. It's amazing how biased some people are.

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Floyd Mayweather(32-0,24 KO’s) used a combination of back pedaling and smoke and mirrors that was enough to fool 3 very inept judges to thinking he easily beat Carlos Baldomir(43-10-6,13 KO’s) for the WBC 147 pound Title.

The fight was a total bore, the crowd booed early and often and it wasn’t because Baldy wasn’t doing his job, the crowd was booing because Floyd turned this into the biggest snoozefest ever.

How anyone can give every round to a guy who is fighting off his back foot and in complete retreat over the 12 round distance is beyond me.

How anyone can call Floyd the best Pound 4 Pound fighter on the planet is another huge mystery….he is not even close.

For the record my scorecard read 116-113 in favor of Baldomir who was humiliated not by Floyd, but by 3 very lousy judges.

What a complete joke!

[eze]

What an idiot. He should never write again.

[Executioner]

WHAT THE FUCK!?

:shock:

[China_hand_Joe]

It is a skilled piece of writing as he has fooled people into thinking it was serious.

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

my god

[Oscar de la Roa]

he is right about backpedaling but no way baldomir won

[achillesthegreat]

Moron.

[Marnoff]

It is a skilled piece of writing as he has fooled people into thinking it was serious.

Yep.

[Boinko]

Yes, and Tarver beat Hopkins and Trinidad beat Winky.

It's all a grand conspiracy folks!!

[MSTR]

It is a skilled piece of writing as he has fooled people into thinking it was serious.
Sounds like someone else I know.

[KayEpps]

This guy just wanted to be remembered for something - so he wrote the craziest thing he could think of. Looks like he successed.

[darkdestroyer]

wtf? :rofl

[Maxmomer]

I can't believe 26% of voters thought that Margarito had the best chance of beating Mayweather.

[Drew101]

Oh, dear...

[cuchulain]

According to this writer. It's amazing how biased some people are.

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Judges Scores Aren’t Pretty Bad…They Are Real Bad

Floyd Mayweather(32-0,24 KO’s) used a combination of back pedaling and smoke and mirrors that was enough to fool 3 very inept judges to thinking he easily beat Carlos Baldomir(43-10-6,13 KO’s) for the WBC 147 pound Title.

The fight was a total bore, the crowd booed early and often and it wasn’t because Baldy wasn’t doing his job, the crowd was booing because Floyd turned this into the biggest snoozefest ever.

How anyone can give every round to a guy who is fighting off his back foot and in complete retreat over the 12 round distance is beyond me.

How anyone can call Floyd the best Pound 4 Pound fighter on the planet is another huge mystery….he is not even close.

For the record my scorecard read 116-113 in favor of Baldomir who was humiliated not by Floyd, but by 3 very lousy judges.

What a complete joke!

There is no doubt that Floyd earned no new fans that night, but despite being on the run all night, he did what he had to do to win. I scored it 11-0 for Floyd with one round even. Floyd had the tools to stop Baldomir. He had the energy and the skills but not the inclination. SRL, Roberto Duran, hell, even Oscar, would have stopped this guy, as Floyd probably should have, but that was Floyd's choice. He won overwhelmingly by the method of his choice, and that's what the record shows.

The article writer is COMPLETELY out to lunch.

[Speak.King]

Why the fuck would Floyd stand in front of Baldomir? Any trainer advising that should stand in front of Trinidad.

[Toopretty]

There is no doubt that Floyd earned no new fans that night, but despite being on the run all night, he did what he had to do to win. I scored it 11-0 for Floyd with one round even. Floyd had the tools to stop Baldomir. He had the energy and the skills but not the inclination. SRL, Roberto Duran, hell, even Oscar, would have stopped this guy, as Floyd probably should have, but that was Floyd's choice. He won overwhelmingly by the method of his choice, and that's what the record shows.

The article writer is COMPLETELY out to lunch.

Floyd could not stop baldomir with a hammer.....no sledge hammer...Baldomirs head is juggernaut. no penetration to that dome....Floyd bust him and swelled him up pretty good but thats the most he could do possibly..:patsch:patsch

[Jack]

There should always be an advantage to the fighter who presses the fight, but something like this is ridiciulous. Baldomir was outclassed massively.

[cuchulain]

Floyd could not stop baldomir with a hammer.....no sledge hammer...Baldomirs head is juggernaut. no penetration to that dome....Floyd bust him and swelled him up pretty good but thats the most he could do possibly..:patsch:patsch

He has been stopped before.

A greater workrate from Floyd and a little risk-taking could have brought Floyd the stoppage.

That said, Floyd was right not to stand and trade, and his victory is just as legit in my eyes as if he'd KO'd him.

Just not as exciting, not as legend-making.

[nrgetic]

Credibility is hard won and easily lost, this person no has none and will never get it back!

[Blacc Jesus]

whaaaat?!

[kg0208]

This writer was right on a lot of counts. All I can say is that Floyd did not put on a dominating performance like what his fans want us to believe.

Floyd lost a lot of fans in this fight. And will in all his fights. How can we possibly say that the best fighter in the world is one who turns away boxing fans? It is the height of irony to say that the best boxer in this generation makes fans want to swear off boxing!

Boxing fans need to get their values re-checked. :hat

You have no room to talk about values. You never admit you're wrong, you spin things without acknowledging what ACTUALLY happened. You have shown no integrity on this message board. So before you talk about values, go look in a mirror.

No, Mayweather was dominant. He certainly wasn't going to KO Baldomir.

[thewoo]

Wow. Just when you thought that you had heard the stupidest thing you were ever going to hear there is always someone there to top it.

[bigtime9]

floyd haters are so pathetic:lol:

[Boinko]

You're stupid to even think that Floyd's performance equalled Winky's performance. Get off Floyd's jockstrap. :twisted:

Where in my post did I say that I thought Floyd's performance equalled Winky's?
I simply pointed out two other fights where the scores were lopsided in favour of one of the fighters. It is possible to draw an analogy without implying that the two fights were exactly comparable.
If you look at the scores for Baldomir/Mayweather and Tito/Wright, you will see that both fights were very lopsided.

I'm not, and never have been "on Floyd's jockstrap." But, the bottom line is that he beat Baldomir by a country mile. Giving Baldomir the decision would have almost been as silly as giving Tito the decision in the Wright fight, or Tarver the decision in the Hopkins fight. That was my point.

[Boinko]

But of course not!

Winky DOMINATED Tito. He was hitting him with powerful punches all night.

Same with Bernard against Tarver.

Cant say the same about Floyd versus Baldomir. Are you crazy? :patsch

He didn't dominate Baldomir? I'm not entirely sure we saw the same fight.

You can certainly argue that Hopkins and Tarver dominated their opponents in a more convincing/impressive way, but that does not take away from the fact that Floyd overwhelmed Baldomir with his superior boxing skills and defense. That fight wasn't even close, and I have no problem calling it domination.

We can get into a semantic argument over the exact definition of the word "dominate", but the bottom line for me is that when a guy wins every round of a fight and is in total control from the first bell, it's domination.

If you feel that Mayweather's performance cannot be described in such a fashion, then that's your perogative.

[Zakman]

It is a skilled piece of writing as he has fooled people into thinking it was serious.

Indeed. Satire is, sadly, an unappreciated art-form.

[Boinko]

Jeebus man. Elevate you standards of domination, will you?

You're almost rewarding Floyd for that abominable fight when you say that! :patsch

It was a boxing clinic, plain and simple. Granted, not particularly exciting, but totally one sided.
There is no rule that say domination has to be exciting.

[Boinko]

WTF? Domination is domination is domination. However which way you look at it, people will always say, "He raped his ass"!

No such thing in the Baldomir fight. :hat

Again, you seem to have a preconceived notion of what must take place in a fight to warrant "domination."
It obviously differs from mine since I see Mayweather's victory over Baldo as total dominance. When a fight is that lopsided, how can it be described as anything but.
Granted, a big reason for that is because Baldomir is a very one dimensional fighter, with a style that Floyd was able to exploit easily.

We can argue this all night if you want, but I doubt were going to make any headway.

[Boinko]

Having an extra light punch against another fighter in all rounds is not DOMINATION.

Stop making up rules just to defend Floyd's performance. :patsch
There is no rule that a fighter can't dominate an opponent unless he's a hard puncher.

There was very little chance that Floyd was going to KO the iron chinned Baldomir, so he did exactly what made sense. He cruised his was to an easy victory by putting on a boxing clinic.

I'm not asking you to acknowledge that it was an exciting fight. Hec, I didn't think it was exciting either. Lopsided fights very rarely are.

[Toopretty]

But of course not!

Winky DOMINATED Tito. He was hitting him with powerful punches all night.:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:nut:nut:nut

Same with Bernard against Tarver.

Cant say the same about Floyd versus Baldomir. Are you crazy? :patsch

WOW that piston jab popping up Tito was really going to stop him...lol...and with Winkys POWERFUL punches he really bust tito up and hurt him bad.................Oh no...on second thought..he just outboxed him and dominated every round damn near...by using the jab and boxing...Sounds about right.

[Boinko]

So putting in a few extra light punches is a boxing clinic?

Lopsided fights are not exciting? WTF?

Stop making up rules just to defend that cotdamned Baldomir performance! :twisted:
Are you calling Floyd's punches extra light simply because he didn't hurt Baldomir? Well, it was unlikely he ever was going to hurt him, considering that Baldomir's head is like a block of cement.

HBO's recap of the fight says it all:

Though not for a lack of trying, Baldomir was unable to land anything that resembled an affecting punch against Mayweather throughout all 12 of the rounds that led to a unanimous decision tonight at the Mandalay Bay events center. The Argentinean fighter only managed to connect 12% of his total punches thrown, while Mayweather showered Baldomir with 41% and a landed a massive 51% of power punches.
Hmm, sounds like an apt description of the fight. And very much domination on Floyd's part.

And you've said twice now that I'm "making up rules" to excuse Floyd's performance.
Does this mean there are rules already in place that determines what qualifies as a "dominant" performance? You must have a set of rules that dictate what qualifies as a "dominant" performance. Did you make them up or are you basing them on some rulebook that I'm not privy to?

[kg0208]

Baldo's head was hard? Morales is much harder and he went down!

Jeebus, 51% power punches. Where were those the entire fight? And stop believing all those HBO analysis. Rely on what you saw. I didnt see any "power punches" connecting at all, much mless 51% of the time. Power punches?! :rofl

The word "dominant" connotes beating up and manhandling the other. Let's stick to commonsensical notion of the word, not some definition made to describe Floyd's otherwise lame performances.

Dominant refers to beating your opponent to the point where there was no doubt who was winning. It has nothing to do with manhandling.

And you don't know that Baldomir's chin isn't better than Morales.

You like to build up anyone who fought Pacman.

[Boinko]

Baldo's head was hard? Morales is much harder and he went down!
I'm not sure I would describe Morales head as much harder. And the analogy doesn't really fit as Pac is a much harder puncher at his weight than Floyd is at his.

Jeebus, 51% power punches. Where were those the entire fight? And stop believing all those HBO analysis. Rely on what you saw. I didnt see any "power punches" connecting at all, much mless 51% of the time. Power punches?! :rofl
Mayweather landed many significant punches in that fight. Again, he had very little chance of hurting Baldomir, so the term "power punches" might not seem entirely apt.
If you're asking me if he landed exactly 51% of power punches in that fight, I can't do that off the top of my head since it's been awhile since I saw the fight.
I'm relaying to you what HBO observed (presumably based on Compubox numbers). You can choose to accept or discard those numbers. Feel free to present your own if you take issue with theirs.


The word "dominant" connotes beating up and manhandling the other. Let's stick to commonsensical notion of the word, not some definition made to describe Floyd's otherwise lame performances.
Mirriam/Webster describes "dominance" as:

- to exert the supreme determining or guiding influence on
- to have or exert mastery, control, or preeminence

Both these definitions seem to describe Floyd's performance perfectly. And I didn't make either of them up.

You have decided upon a definition of "dominance" based on your own interpretation of what it means. Your definition is subjective and not carved in stone. I'm not obligated to accept it verbatim just because you say it to be so.

[kg0208]

Uh-oh. Laying the groundwork for the "Floyd is GOAT" theory! :lol:

Is this an either/or fallacy again?

PBF is no where near the GOAT. But he is better than you make him out to be and better than your favorite fighter.

He is not better than MY favorite fighter:deal Not yet.

[kg0208]

"Mastery and supreme determination" in boxing is definitely not just adding a few more light punches than the other.

Mastery is performance way above your opponent.

In a few months this would be how the Floyd nuthuggers would describe the DLH performance. :lol:

2 scorecards of 120-108 sounds dominant to me. That 12 rounds to none. Your biased assessment not withstanding, no one in their right mind thinks PBF landed "a few more" punches than Baldomir.

Is the Yao Ming "a little" taller than Pacman? :deal

[Boinko]

"Mastery and supreme determination" in boxing is definitely not just adding a few more light punches than the other.

Mastery is performance way above your opponent.

And Floyd's performance was way above his opponent in the Baldomir fight. I can't imagine any rational human being describing it otherwise.

In a few months this would be how the Floyd nuthuggers would describe the DLH performance. :lol:
Well, I think that's unlikely. The DLH fight was competitive, and relatively close, even though Floyd was the clear cut winner in my opinion.

And I should add for the record that I'm not even a big Floyd fan. I'd love to see him get beat.
But, that doesn't prevent me from objectively analyzing his fights, and when it comes to the Baldomir fight, he dominated. You have every right not to agree with me, but I expect your opinion will be in the minority.

[kg0208]

Here's an example of mastery: Tyson over Spinks, Pac over Morales, Jones over Ruiz, Calderon over whomever.

What's the common denominator between the four? Punches. Clean punches. Tyson and Pac, strong ones. Jones and Calderon, lotsa punches landing flush!

One's opinion being in the minority doesnt mean anything in boxing. :hi:
PBF landed 66 more punches against Baldomir than Jones did against Ruiz and the scorecards were more lopsided in the PBF-Baldomir fight.

And ones opinion being in the minority doesn't mean anything, you're right. It doesn't mean you are wrong OR right.

[kg0208]

Jeebus. I recall Jones hitting Ruiz a lot and flustering him. Floyd did not do the same thing with Baldomir, hell no! So much for the compubox stats.

And what about Pac beating Erik mercilessly in the third fight? The Baldomir fight was just as dominating? :hi:

Jones hits harder than PBF in a p4p sense. So he is going to hurt more. He stil landed less. You said clean shots. PBF landed clean shots. You cannot dispute this.

Who cares if Pac was more dominating against Morales. Jones was more dominant against Toney than he was against Ruiz. But he was dominant in both. PBF can be dominant and not be AS dominant as someone else:deal

[Scar]

I've seen worse. :yep

[KO Boxing]

I think this is a perfect example of your hate for a fighting having the ability to blind you...

[Danny Ocean]

i had it a shutout

[red cobra]

Yes, and Tarver beat Hopkins and Trinidad beat Winky.

It's all a grand conspiracy folks!!
Don't forget about how Randall "Tex" Cobb was robbed against Larry Holmes. Why, the fix is in, I tell ya!!

[cuchulain]

"Mastery and supreme determination" in boxing is definitely not just adding a few more light punches than the other.

Mastery is performance way above your opponent.

In a few months this would be how the Floyd nuthuggers would describe the DLH performance. :lol:

From your first sentence above, Floyd mastered Baldomir by a margin that was on a par with Winky over Tito and exceeded the margin in the Tarver/Hopkins fight. When you lose by a margin of that size 12-0, or 11-1, you have been dominated.

Floyd did NOT dominate Oscar. He eeked a narrow SD over a much better boxer than Baldomir. The difference is that I don't think he could do much better against Oscar, whereas, as I already mentioned in this thread, I believe he could (and probably should) have stopped Baldomir.

Not a vey exciting fight but a complete and total domination.

[kg0208]

But not the domination Pac gave Barrera.

But of course you nuthuggers will make no distinction between Pac-MAB and Floyd-Baldo. :patsch

The domination over Corrales was more impressive than what Pacman did to MAB.

You talk about KD JMM 3 times. Try 5 times.

[Danny Ocean]

Uh-oh. Laying the groundwork for the "Floyd is GOAT" theory! :lol:
please

you have just been owned arguments wise and offer no comeback except for a fake fuckin laugh

[cuchulain]

But not the domination Pac gave Barrera.

But of course you nuthuggers will make no distinction between Pac-MAB and Floyd-Baldo. :patsch

You joined this forum a week ago.

If you were around any length of time, you would be aware that PBF is NOT one of my favourite fighters (For reasons too numerous to go into here. Go do your homework if you want to know more).

I was accused by the Floyd fanatics on here of being an Oscar nuthugger.

I'm a reasonably objective fan of the sport.

My biases might be towards my favourite fighters
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You, on the other hand, are a Floyd-hater.And that makes you just as deluded as the Floyd fanatics ( or the Oscar haters or Oscar fanatics or Taylor haters or Klitschko haters or Pac fanatics or whatever.)

As I've pointed out, Floyd totally and utterly dominated Carlos. It matters not one whit that other boxers in the past have been dominated to a greater degree than Baldomir was in this fight. This fight was still a total domination of one boxer by another.

I prefer Pacman's fights to Floyd's as they are usually more exciting and while neither dude is on my favourite ten list, Pacman makes my favourite twelve.

[kg0208]

If it was really dominating as you say it was, why did people leave their seats in disgust? I cant recall a dominating performance where people got turned-off a lot.

Dominating has little to do with excitement. Many of Jones fights were boring....but dominant performances.

[MrMagic]

:rofl

[kg0208]

Nah. Anybody can knock down Chico. NOBODY knocks down Barrera.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You got excuses for everything.

[kg0208]

But they never left their seats in disgust.

And dont tell me Floyd-Baldo was a Jones-Ruiz. Please.

I don't care how you spin it Dominga. Learn what dominating means. Domination in ANY sporting even can be quite boring.

And alot of people didn't even show up to Jones fights because they knew they would be boring.

[kg0208]

You got excuses for every Floyd performance.

Really? Show me. Show an excuse I gave. I gave you punch stats. All you have are excuses, and the inability to admit you are ever wrong.

[GARCIA]

According to this writer. It's amazing how biased some people are.

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Floyd Mayweather(32-0,24 KO’s) used a combination of back pedaling and smoke and mirrors that was enough to fool 3 very inept judges to thinking he easily beat Carlos Baldomir(43-10-6,13 KO’s) for the WBC 147 pound Title.

The fight was a total bore, the crowd booed early and often and it wasn’t because Baldy wasn’t doing his job, the crowd was booing because Floyd turned this into the biggest snoozefest ever.

How anyone can give every round to a guy who is fighting off his back foot and in complete retreat over the 12 round distance is beyond me.

How anyone can call Floyd the best Pound 4 Pound fighter on the planet is another huge mystery….he is not even close.

For the record my scorecard read 116-113 in favor of Baldomir who was humiliated not by Floyd, but by 3 very lousy judges.

What a complete joke!

No he didn't. Floyd won.

He may have showed alot of heart and WANTED it more..........but the points Floyd racked up were above and beyond anything Baldomir could dish out.

Much like DLH-Trinidad. Only Oscar lost, not Tito.

[cuchulain]

No he didn't. Floyd won.

He may have showed alot of heart and WANTED it more..........but the points Floyd racked up were above and beyond anything Baldomir could dish out.

Much like DLH-Trinidad. Only Oscar lost, not Tito.

You were doing fine to your last sentence.

Floyd win with a near shutout of Baldo.

According to the judges Oscar lost to Tito, but that decision was a lot more controversial with the majority of observers believing that Tito was taken to school.

[GARCIA]

You were doing fine to your last sentence.

Floyd win with a near shutout of Baldo.

According to the judges Oscar lost to Tito, but that decision was a lot more controversial with the majority of observers believing that Tito was taken to school.

Wrong example i guess. :(

[Still~style]

this is why the internet can be bad. people get info from ridiculous sources. some of which are hired by large corps.

[kg0208]

You detract on Pac's wins by saying they were either shot (Morales), or not good (Solis) or coming from a loss (Larios) etcetra etcetera. On the other hand, that piss-poor Baldomir fight you rate as DOMINATING.

All your pretenses of objectivity are thrown out of the window. :hi:

See, you couldn't do it. I said show me an excuse I made for PBF fights. You couldn't.

And then on top of that, you mix and match things and conveniently omit statements I made so that you can try and make an argument. Pathetic.

Yes, Morales was old and Solis has done nothing and Larios was coming off a loss and moving up 2 weight classes. Outside the first thing, the other 2 are facts. Pacman still put on dominating performances.

PBF dominated Baldomir plain and simple. Baldomir was NOT the best fighter in the division and had no chance at beating PBF. He was a high level journeyman who finally got a good break and held the lineal title PBF wanted. But PBF still dominated him.

Domination has nothing to do with those things. The other things I mentioned are just the context in which the fights took place.

You just aren't that bright, or are being pigheaded. Plain and simple. Dominating a fight has nothing to do how good the fighter is you're fighting or how exciting it is.

[kg0208]

WTF? Everybody loved Jordan scoring 60 points, Woods getting all those Masters, Tyson beating up his opponents. Hell, everyone wants to see the Dream Team beat up their opponents! :hi:

And here is where this ignorant statement falls apart.

Dream Team was dominating. And they were exciting. The Spur are dominating. And boring.

Excitement has nothing to do with dominating. You can be both exciting and boring, and be dominant EITHER way. The 2000 Ravens were dominant. And boring cuz they were a defensive team. Style makes you exciting, but domination has to do with how GOOD you are. You can be exciting and LOSE you know.

[bigtime9]

PBF dominated Baldomir plain and simple. Baldomir was NOT the best fighter in the division and had no chance at beating PBF. He was a high level journeyman who finally got a good break and held the lineal title PBF wanted. But PBF still dominated him.



so now you determine who the best fighter is in every weight class:rofl baldo beat the undisputed welterweight champ in judah, that means sherlock there was no question judah was the best at 147:deal if baldo beat the best fighter at 147 in judah how the fuck can you turn around and say he wasn't the best welterweight when he beat the consensus best. it damn sure wasn't cotto or mosley who weren't even at welterweight yet:rofl

in order to be the best you have to beat the best.

[bigtime9]

bigtime, you're right in the sense that Baldo did beat the best. But that doesn't make you the best every time.


if you say baldo beat the best then give him his props. how can baldo not be the best fighter at 147 during that period and not fight and beat the top guy, then follow that up with a title defense. H ecould have an argument right now but 1 year ago baldo was the best at 147. floyd beat him and proved he was better, a very simple formula. fighters fight to win at least championship level fighters do.

by the way I don't here kg saying hatton is not the best at 140 after beating zoo, why would he reserve that bias for baldo. is it because floyd handled him easily. well guess what floyd handles 95% of his comp easily.

[kg0208]

if you say baldo beat the best then give him his props. how can baldo not be the best fighter at 147 during that period and not fight and beat the top guy, then follow that up with a title defense. H ecould have an argument right now but 1 year ago baldo was the best at 147. floyd beat him and proved he was better, a very simple formula. fighters fight to win at least championship level fighters do.

by the way I don't here kg saying hatton is not the best at 140 after beating zoo, why would he reserve that bias for baldo. is it because floyd handled him easily. well guess what floyd handles 95% of his comp easily.
Because Hatton then beat other title holders. Baldomir didn't. Simple answer.

Being Lineal doesn't make you the best. It just makes you Lineal. Douglas wasn't the best HW when he beat Tyson. I owe you no other explanation. It's common sense.

[kg0208]

so now you determine who the best fighter is in every weight class:rofl baldo beat the undisputed welterweight champ in judah, that means sherlock there was no question judah was the best at 147:deal if baldo beat the best fighter at 147 in judah how the fuck can you turn around and say he wasn't the best welterweight when he beat the consensus best. it damn sure wasn't cotto or mosley who weren't even at welterweight yet:rofl

in order to be the best you have to beat the best.

He got his props. It doesn't make him the best at that weight. PBF was a better fighter obviously and he was at that weight. Margarito probably was as well, and Williams too.

[bigtime9]

Because Hatton then beat other title holders. Baldomir didn't. Simple answer.


are you saying hatton fighting maussa was more impressive then baldo manning up and fighting floyd. hatton ducked cotto and floyd at 140 and decided to fight the easiest champ at 140 in maussa and that makes him the best at 140 in your eyes. but baldo beating judah and defending against gatti doesn't make him the best:nut

by the way baldo didn't need to fight other title holders he had just beaten the undisputed 147 champ in judah. of course I am sure you already know this. :deal

[bigtime9]

He got his props. It doesn't make him the best at that weight. PBF was a better fighter obviously and he was at that weight.


floyd was a better fighter then hatton at 140 as well does that make him the best at 140.

[kg0208]

are you saying hatton fighting maussa was more impressive then baldo manning up and fighting floyd. hatton ducked cotto and floyd at 140 and decided to fight the easiest champ at 140 in maussa and that makes him the best at 140 in your eyes. but baldo beating judah and defending against gatti doesn't make him the best:nut

by the way baldo didn't need to fight other title holders he had just beaten the undisputed 147 champ in judah. of course I am sure you already know this. :deal

There were other belt holders. Hatton won his fight with Maussa. Baldomir didn't with PBF, further proving my point. Hatton was the best fighter at 140. Baldomir wasn't. He lost his title defense against PBF, Hatton didn't.

[kg0208]

floyd was a better fighter then hatton at 140 as well does that make him the best at 140.

In your opinion. Which means nothing.

Baldomir actually lost, Hatton didn't. This isn't about PBF. Move on.

[bigtime9]

Being Lineal doesn't make you the best. It just makes you Lineal.

well floyd is the best from 154-140 hands down. he doesn't need to fight anyone to prove it based on this logic. fighters fight to see who is the best if hatton and baldo were the ring/lineal champs then floyd needs to fight them to prove they don't deserve that title as long as he is fighting.

[kg0208]

well floyd is the best from 154-140 hands down. he doesn't need to fight anyone to prove it based on this logic. fighters fight to see who is the best if hatton and baldo were the ring/lineal champs then floyd needs to fight them to prove they don't deserve that title as long as he is fighting in their weight class.

Actually my logic proves the exact opposite of what you just said. If being Lineal doesn't automatically make you the best, then you have to keep fighting other good fighters to prove it, not just sit around saying you are lineal.

PBF is not hands down the best. That's just your opinion. And you can't use P4P cuz you said that it was mythical and didn't matter in another thread.

[bigtime9]

There were other belt holders.


baldo just beat the undisputed champ in judah what other champs are you referring to:deal :rofl

Hatton won his fight with Maussa. Baldomir didn't with PBF,

so hatton ducks floyd and fights maussa and he is the best:nut baldomir fights floyd and losses and he wasn't the best:rofl you're a joke:deal


further proving my point. Hatton was the best fighter at 140. Baldomir wasn't. He lost his title defense against PBF, Hatton didn't.

carlos maussa proved your point that hatton was the best:lol: did hatton unify 140:deal did he beat zoo when he was the unified champ:deal did hatton fight the best fighters at 140:deal

your point was what again, that's right garbage:yep

[bigtime9]

Baldomir actually lost, Hatton didn't. This isn't about PBF. Move on.

hatton didn't fight the best that is the only reason why he is still undefeated.

and read the topic thread idiot this is about floyd's comp so it definitiely is about floyd:hey

[kg0208]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[bigtime9]

Actually my logic proves the exact opposite of what you just said. If being Lineal doesn't automatically make you the best, then you have to keep fighting other good fighters to prove it, not just sit around saying you are lineal.


something hatton did not do:rofl but baldomir did:yep



PBF is not hands down the best. That's just your opinion. And you can't use P4P cuz you said that it was mythical and didn't matter in another thread.

based on what you just posted:

by kg0208:
Being Lineal doesn't make you the best. It just makes you Lineal.

who is better than floyd from 154-140:deal who would be favored to beat him:rofl

[kg0208]

something hatton did not do:rofl but baldomir did:yep





based on what you just posted:



who is better than floyd from 154-140:deal who would be favored to beat him:rofl

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[He Hate Me]

I look forward to your post because you are fair and balanced, in saying that, this one caught me off guard. Pernell whitaker was p4p #1 for using the same tactics that pbf uses, effective retreat coupled with precision counter punching.

[Lance_Uppercut]

I look forward to your post because you are fair and balanced, in saying that, this one caught me off guard. Pernell whitaker was p4p #1 for using the same tactics that pbf uses, effective retreat coupled with precision counter punching.

Not really. Sweet Pea often fought in the pocket using his amazing upper body movment to make people punch air, not backpeddling. And while Pea was a very good counter puncher, he didn't wlays rely on that. Pea often threw more then his opponnet.

[He Hate Me]

Not really. Sweet Pea often fought in the pocket using his amazing upper body movment to make people punch air, not backpeddling. And while Pea was a very good counter puncher, he didn't wlays rely on that. Pea often threw more then his opponnet.

I agree 100%, my point is that both fighters are well rounded and can fight very effectivly going back, when they choose to do it at times they get accused of running. Pernell in the height of his career was accused by morons for fighting chavez this way for example.

[kg0208]

I agree 100%, my point is that both fighters are well rounded and can fight very effectivly going back, when they choose to do it at times they get accused of running. Pernell in the height of his career was accused by morons for fighting chavez this way for example.

Very few fighters run. Notice the posters who GENERALLY (there are exceptions) like fighters like Cotto who are in your face all night. They don't like the opposite extreme of their favorite style.

Whitaker and PBF are not runners. What Spinks did with Taylor was running.

[He Hate Me]

well floyd is the best from 154-140 hands down. he doesn't need to fight anyone to prove it based on this logic. fighters fight to see who is the best if hatton and baldo were the ring/lineal champs then floyd needs to fight them to prove they don't deserve that title as long as he is fighting.

If he beats shane and cotto then I will agree with you. Im sure he will retire before taking those danerous fights, who knows it is a logical choice after cotto and mosley square off.

[bigtime9]

If he beats shane and cotto then I will agree with you.

you misread my post. I said I wanted floyd to face and beat all the ring champs of his era. hatton and mosley are the last two in around his weight class that are left.

depending on whether forrest can become unified champ at 154 I would like to see that fight as well. I like fights with historical implications and the cotto/mosley winner would solidify floyd's legacy.


Im sure he will retire before taking those danerous fights, who knows it is a logical choice after cotto and mosley square off.

you don't think he faced dangerous fighters before.

[Lance_Uppercut]

I agree 100%, my point is that both fighters are well rounded and can fight very effectivly going back, when they choose to do it at times they get accused of running. Pernell in the height of his career was accused by morons for fighting chavez this way for example.

I hear ya. :thumbsup

[He Hate Me]

you misread my post. I said I wanted floyd to face and beat all the ring champs of his era. hatton and mosley are the last two in around his weight class that are left.

depending on whether forrest can become unified champ at 154 I would like to see that fight as well. I like fights with historical implications and the cotto/mosley winner would solidify floyd's legacy.




you don't think he faced dangerous fighters before.

No doubt about it however as of late he is playing it very safe. Why do you think this guy is hated so much on these sites, he gets very little love. It is understood that he is indeed great, people would like to see him fight a legit threat thats all.

1. over achieving Baldomir NO

2. over hyped Zab Judah NO

3. Semi retired Dela Hoya No

4. Over rated Gatti NO

Cotto and or Mosley will answer the question of P4P once and for all.

[Alo2006]

What an idiot. He should never write again.


Who u telling :-(

[bigtime9]

No doubt about it however as of late he is playing it very safe. Why do you think this guy is hated so much on these sites, he gets very little love. It is understood that he is indeed great, people would like to see him fight a legit threat thats all.


so floyd is beyond great in your mind. as a matter of fact if facing these fighters:

130 - genaro hernandez --ring/lineal champ
135 - castillo #1 ranked by ring and lineal wbc champ
140 - gatto #1 ranked by ring wbc champ
147 - baldomir Ring champ/lineal champ
154 - De La Hoya #3 ranked by ring wbc champ

and remaining undefeated is not impressive then please name another fighter in his era who did the same. You guys are saying he hasn't faced a dangerous opponent yet, but the proof is that he has made fighters look avg because of his great skill.

will there be another fighter with his skill level in our lifetime..no. but the fact that he started at 130 and is facing much bigger men is worthy of accolades not scorn.


1. over achieving Baldomir NO --baldomir was dangerous to judah he actually beat him. in hindsight baldo was no match for floyd but anything can happen in a fight. that's why fighters fight and writers write.

2. over hyped Zab Judah NO - judah is a former undisputed champ no way is he hype. do you consider zoo and the other fighters who have unified divisions as hype.

3. Semi retired Dela Hoya No - don't let your bias cloud your judgement oscar came to win and for a semi-retired oscar to be ranked so highly by ring means he was a dangerous opponent

4. Over rated Gatti NO --once again your opinion gatti is not overrated he is underrated. to have accomplished so much in his career with so little natural talent is a testament to his heart and courage.

Despite what you say about gatti he actually fought floyd and didn't make excuses like hatton did. so tell me who is the real warrior and deserves respect hatton the coward or gatti the guy who stepped up and put it all on the line.

Cotto and or Mosley will answer the question of P4P once and for all.

floyd vs the winner will be the biggest fight at welterweight since hearns vs leonard. forget tito vs hoya this fight will be for everything.

[Lance_Uppercut]

1. over achieving Baldomir NO --baldomir was dangerous to judah he actually beat him. in hindsight baldo was no match for floyd but anything can happen in a fight. that's why fighters fight and writers write.

:lol::lol: You are probably too tupid to realize how ironic that is coming from you.

2. over hyped Zab Judah NO - judah is a former undisputed champ no way is he hype. do you consider zoo and the other fighters who have unified divisions as hype.
:patsch You think ALL undisputed Champs are equal? Judah did NOT UNIFY a division. He won ONE FIGHT, going 1-1 with Corey Spinks. Unifying a division means takng on OTHER beltholders belts. SHit, Floyd hasn't even done that yet.

3. Semi retired Dela Hoya No - don't let your bias cloud your judgement oscar came to win and for a semi-retired oscar to be ranked so highly by ring means her was a dangerous opponent
Of course he came to win. :patsch Doesn't change the fact he was more promoter then boxer at that point child.

4. Over rated Gatti NO --once again your opinion gatti is not ovrrated he is underrated. to have accomplished so much in his career with so little natural talent is a testament to his heart and courage.
All that says is he has toughness moron. Late in his career, he's only shoed skills against lesser guys. He was never the top fighter he was billed as later.

PS. You're a fuckin moron and a liar.

[bigtime9]

You think ALL undisputed Champs are equal? Judah did NOT UNIFY a division. He won ONE FIGHT, going 1-1 with Corey Spinks. Unifying a division means takng on OTHER beltholders belts. SHit, Floyd hasn't even done that yet.


so beating cory spinks and taking his belts don't count:rofl what other belts where there for judah to take if they were all owned by one guy. you are too stupid to be called dumb:rofl

[bigtime9]

All that says is he has toughness moron. Late in his career, he's only shoed skills against lesser guys. He was never the top fighter he was billed as later.


so hatton's hit and hold technique is a boxing skill:nut get the fuck back under your rock fucking stupid as caveman:deal

[bigtime9]

You are probably too tupid to realize how ironic that is coming from you.


don't tell me you're a golden gloves champ like c-money:rofl

[Lance_Uppercut]

so beating cory spinks and taking his belts don't count:rofl what other belts where there for judah to take if they were all owned by one guy. you are too stupid to be called dumb:rofl

You said Zab UNIFIED the division.... He didn't asshole. He won all on one fight. AGAIN, guess you pick the wrong words. .:lol::lol:

[Lance_Uppercut]

don't tell me you're a golden gloves champ like c-money:rofl

What the fuck dos that have to do with anything? Don't tell me you DON'T take it up the ass. :nut

[Lance_Uppercut]

so hatton's hit and hold technique is a boxing skill:nut get the fuck back under your rock fucking stupid as caveman:deal
Did I even mention Hatton? Do you know HOW to read? Do you know HOW to engage in a discussion? Uhm, no?:patsch

[bigtime9]

You said Zab UNIFIED the division.... He didn't asshole. He won all on one fight. AGAIN, guess you pick the wrong words. .:lol::lol:

read my post again..who was there for zab to take titles from besides spinks:deal

[bigtime9]

Did I even mention Hatton? Do you know HOW to read? Do you know HOW to engage in a discussion? Uhm, no?:patsch

coming from a guy who just posted this:

What the fuck dos that have to do with anything? Don't tell me you DON'T take it up the ass. :nut

all that weed smoking fucking with your memory a bit their tiger:lol:

[Lance_Uppercut]

read my post again..who was there for zab to take titles from besides spinks:deal

:lol::lol: Mental midget...that doesn't change the fact that Zab did NOT UNIFY THE WW DIVISION.

You REALLY need to learn to read.

[Lance_Uppercut]

coming from a guy who just posted this:



all that weed smoking fucking with your memory a bit their tiger:lol:
And you posted some BULLSHIT about golden gloves and C money out of the blue, then brought up HAtton...out of the blue. :lol:

It's getting TOO EASY to make you look like a jackass, since you do all the work for us. :rofl

[bigtime9]

It's getting TOO EASY to make you look like a jackass, since you do all the work for us

who's this "us":nut your circle jerk village people hombres:rofl whats the matter you just lost the boxing argument so you resort to your typical semantics. acting like a retarted inbred caveman:lol: there is no "us" put forth an argument that has merit and you wouldn't need backup:deal now back the fuck up bitch:hey

[bigtime9]

Mental midget...that doesn't change the fact that Zab did NOT UNIFY THE WW DIVISION.

so in your disease ravaged mind zab had to unify to be a unified champ:nut what an idiot you are. no wonder you can't win a boxing argument. radar mind-fucked you so bad you're not even able to post intelligently:hey

[41fever]

Baldo lost but he came to fight.

[Drew101]

Baldo lost but he came to fight.

That he did...and, by and large, he did what he was supposed to do. He pressured Floyd to the best of his ability, went to the body, and, especially in the later rounds, threw a pretty high volume of punches.

Still...

I'd be hard pressed to think of any more than a handful of times in the entire fight when he landed anything of significance (and I might be being generous to Baldo), and he was outlanded, by a considerable margin, throughout the entire fight.

Floyd pitched a virtual shut-out ( I called the last round even, out of sympathy for baldomir), and, that, in my opinion, means that "dominant" is a good adjective to describe this performance.

[BeReal]

Baldomir blocked ALL of Floyd's punches...............with his face:bbb So clearly, if you block all your opponents punches with any part of your body, even the FACE, you should be awarded the decision:rasta