Sweat Pea vs. Floyd.

[Slothrop]

How would this play out?

[kg0208]

uh oh

[KhanB]

Whitaker. More complete.

[PR Boxing Lore]

I just can't decide.:think, it's a toss up, maybe Whitaker has defense, but Floyd has the power.They are both great counter punchers.:patsch

[Toopretty]

Complicated fight. I think floyd had more speed and was a more accurate puncher...NAHH floyd has trouble with southies and Whitaker was one of the best....Whitaker probably 7-5 or 8-4.

[Robbi]

The fan man drops in through the top and ruins everything, but this time bores a hole in the canvas and dies, so the fight is called off.

By the way, it's "Sweet" Pea.

Its been done many times before, too many times.


Whitaker UD.

[istmeno]

no way a crack head like whitaker could handle a fighter of floyds caliber, was he undefeated with 5 championships in 5 weight divisions all before the age of 30.





















just thought i would get that one in before esb's resident jackass comes in with it.

whitaker tooo skilled and too active. 8-4

[kg0208]

no way a crack head like whitaker could handle a fighter of floyds caliber, was he undefeated with 5 championships in 5 weight divisions all before the age of 30.





















just thought i would get that one in before esb's resident jackass comes in with it.

whitaker tooo skilled and too active. 8-4

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

CLASSIC!!

[Executioner]

A chess match. Whitaker just edges it

[kg0208]

He says if you haven't done exactly that, which is to have 5 title in 5 classes before 30, that you're not as good. He doesn't realize what's so insanely wrong with that. Some people have not done that, but have far better resumes and opposition and accomlishments, yet he says unless they did exactly that, they're not as good. His stupidity is mind-boggling.

It's more than that to me.

How does anyone determine which accomplishment or record trumps another.

Does 5 titles in 5 weight classes (not all real titles) trump 3 lineal titles in 3 weight classes at the same time? Is it better than 20 title defenses in one weight class?

How do we rank accomplishments? My answer? We can't....not objectively.

[istmeno]

It's more than that to me.

How does anyone determine which accomplishment or record trumps another.

Does 5 titles in 5 weight classes (not all real titles) trump 3 lineal titles in 3 weight classes at the same time? Is it better than 20 title defenses in one weight class?

How do we rank accomplishments? My answer? We can't....not objectively.

you are correct. it is all a matter of criteria. imo the dominance of duran at 135, and hagler at 160 renk highly. simply because they established true dominance of their respective divisions by leaving no stone unturned. others would say hagler never moved up inn weight, and view it as a negative. imo moving up has become overrated with all of the bs belts out there now. there is a soft beltholder at practically every division

[El Bombasto]

sets compubox record for fewest punches thrown in a boxing match

[kg0208]

you are correct. it is all a matter of criteria. imo the dominance of duran at 135, and hagler at 160 renk highly. simply because they established true dominance of their respective divisions by leaving no stone unturned. others would say hagler never moved up inn weight, and view it as a negative. imo moving up has become overrated with all of the bs belts out there now. there is a soft beltholder at practically every division

I guess it's also a matter of who was in the division at the time.

I mean, I don't rate the MW division Hopkins was in as a great division. Certainly not a golden era. But he is more revered than Virgil Hill who I discussed earlier in another thread, who over 2 seperate title reigns defended his title 19 times, losing only to 3 HoF fighters over than span, two of which are top 30 ATG. So how high do we rank Hill based on this accomplishment? Hopkins himself lost to one of the fighters that beat Hill.

[kg0208]

sets compubox record for fewest punches thrown in a boxing match
Why?

[Robbi]

A chess match. Whitaker just edges it

Whitaker would not dominate Mayweather. Anyone who thinks Whitaker shuts out Mayweather via wide decision, leave the thread now.

Whitaker's jab was a serious jolting weapon, which he also used effectively going backwards. It was like a pumping piston, in the same mould as Hearns and Holmes. Mayweather's lead right would seldom catch Whitaker cleanly, as when Whitaker pulled out of range after being inside, he kept that left glove tucked into his chin. Whitaker was also busier inside, and went to the body more often. I don't think Mayweather is quite as effective at close quarters, with probably the uppercut up close the only significant weapon he has over Whitaker inside.

[jbrunner3]

I think Whitaker in his prime was better than DeLaHoya, as evidenced by an older Whitaker BARELY losing to a prime DeLaHoya. That having been said, an older DeLaHoya lost by 1 or 2 points to Floyd. Using DeLaHoya as a benchmark, I take Sweet Pea by unanimous decision, 8-4.

[Toopretty]

A prime ODH was not that good....he had the same stamina issues and was a complete and utter one hand fighter..if anything his right hand AND DEFENSE got better over the years..He kept his hand speed....Hey.mosley on FNF..

[Robbi]

A prime ODH was not that good....he had the same stamina issues and was a complete and utter one hand fighter..if anything his right hand AND DEFENSE got better over the years..He kept his hand speed....Hey.mosley on FNF..

De La Hoya's stamina was not questioned at any point in his career, until the last three rounds against Trinidad, then the Mosley defeat which followed.

He was actually well known for closing the show up until he blew those last there rounds against Trinidad. Molina, Gonzalez, Whitaker, and Quartey were all fights which support my judgement.

[Marnoff]

I think Whitaker in his prime was better than DeLaHoya, as evidenced by an older Whitaker BARELY losing to a prime DeLaHoya. That having been said, an older DeLaHoya lost by 1 or 2 points to Floyd. Using DeLaHoya as a benchmark, I take Sweet Pea by unanimous decision, 8-4.

Can't base it off of a single common opponent.

In terms of picking a winner, I think the fight would lead to a disputed decision. I don't think either man would clearly get the best of the other. Both are too skilled for it to be a clear cut win.

[sues2nd]

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Bombastic, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiodic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now DUMBER for having read it. I award you no points....and may god have mercy on your soul.

:-(

Go watch a fighter fight before you embaress yourself.

Sweet Pea REGULARLY threw 1000+ a fight in his prime.

:patsch

BTW, I have broken this down many, many times over now.

-Pea was his equal in speed (you could argue who would edge who till your blue in the face).
-Pea was better defensively (Pernell is regularly considered the best defensive fighter of all time....Floyd is "arguably" the best active one).
-Pea had the better jab and overall offensive arsenal (I mentioned the jab first, seeing as how Floyd has been troubled by this in the past...plus Whitaker's body work was fantastic, another area YOU MUST exploit vs Mayweather).
-Pea has fought the far better competition (tho Floyd could make a run...ya never know...but even if you look at this stage of their respective careers, its Pernell by a landslide).
-Floyd has the better power (This is his one GLARING advantage....BUT!!!)
-Pea has a ROCK SOLID CHIN (couple that with his alien like defense...Floyd's power DOES NOT COME INTO PLAY!!! Remember, Pea has been hit by MUCH harder punchers than Floyd...I think its a fair assessment that Floyd's one advantage, isnt going to effect the outcome).

All of that said, Floyd is a freak. He is fast and accurate. He is strong (deceptively for his size). He is great defensively. He would keep the fight close. But Pernell still takes it clear and easy.

8-4 is my best guess....:good

[KO Boxing]

A chess match. Whitaker just edges it
:good I agree. Although still clear.

[Robbi]

IMHO Whitaker beat DLH that night. :good

No he never. :good