Rumours from within the Wildcard - Re Khan

[mughalmirza786]

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'It is known, from sources within the Roach camp, that despite working on reshaping and remoulding the young British fighter’s style, specifically with regard to his defence and in varying the angles of his attack, concern remains over Khan’s propensity to rush in with wild flurries and leave himself open to being countered. His old habit of leaving his hand out after throwing a right hand has also resurfaced during sparring on odd occasions, which against a fighter of Kotelnik’s experience could prove fatal..'

Is this just a minor hiccup or something major within khans preparation for kotelnik. This coupled with that sparring footage which was released by Khans own promoter Frank ****** is leading me to believe that khan is going to get stopped again.

[nufc16]

it's a shame he hasnt been with freddie for longer. if he'd of had a few more camps with roach then these problems might have been ironed out by now, but as it is, he's already at championship level and he cant go back to learning fights at this stage of his career.

i reckon if he does win he'll have to get up off the deck at least once.

[Losfer_Words]

it's a shame he hasnt been with freddie for longer. if he'd of had a few more camps with roach then these problems might have been ironed out by now, but as it is, he's already a championship level and he's cant go back to learning fights at this stage of his career.

i reckon if he does win he'll have to get up off the deck at least once.

:goodThat's the key point. Give the bloke some time- three camps is nothing compared to a whole career worth of training and habits.

[itrymariti]

As I said on the other thread, this is a serious problem against Kotelnik who is an accomplished counter-puncher and has a stiff left hook. I wouldn't be surprised if Khan gets put down at some point.

[robpalmer135]

They have rushed him. its there own fault putting him on box office, he has to start fighting for world titles.

the fact that they will give up the belt if he wins rather than fight maidana is bullshit.

[hitman_hatton1]

the fact that they will give up the belt if he wins rather than fight maidana is bullshit.

where has that been said. :huh

very disappointing if that's the case. :roll:

[smjm089]

where has that been said. :huh

very disappointing if that's the case. :roll:

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[abzmanc]

:goodThat's the key point. Give the bloke some time- three camps is nothing compared to a whole career worth of training and habits.

I agree this fight has come two fights early at a minimum.

[gallardo]

the fact that they will give up the belt if he wins rather than fight maidana is bullshit.

To be fair, Bunce asked Roach this question directly on yesterday's bunce hour - words to the effect: "is it true that khan will give up the belt if he wins to avoid some of the mandatory fighters", Roach's explanation was that it wouldn't make sense from a risk/reward perspective for Khan to take on low money / kudos power punchers such as Maidana. Why take on such a hard fight for so little money, especially when Khan can take on the likes of Hatton or Morales?

He also suggested that fighting people like Maidana and other riskier fighters would happen when Khan has developed / matured.

Makes sense to me - it's all about risk/reward.

[achillesthegreat]

In my honest opinion Khan did not change against Fagan or MAB. His mindset etc is tweaking and he might be using the jab a bit more but his technical flaws are still there. Khan fought a smarter fight but he fought like an amateur boxing, moving and firing flurries.

I'm still backing Khan cos he is a Brit and an Olympian.

[Darni187]

I think people making to much of this spar what Khan had on Monday in his gym in Bolton, i mean he is 5 days away from fight night do you people really think Khan will be going all out? It was a bad spar, but the real sparing took place in L.A where I have been reading and watching good reports, i dont know where this guy who wrote this article got his info?

I will give you a recent interview (after the delay and Khan 2nd mini camp in L.A) with Khan's sparing partner R.Holloway who is also Pacman sparing partner.

Holloway is saying Khan is becoming more of a thinking fighter, and rates him top 3 at 140.

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[TFFP]

To be fair, Bunce asked Roach this question directly on yesterday's bunce hour - words to the effect: "is it true that khan will give up the belt if he wins to avoid some of the mandatory fighters", Roach's explanation was that it wouldn't make sense from a risk/reward perspective for Khan to take on low money / kudos power punchers such as Maidana. Why take on such a hard fight for so little money, especially when Khan can take on the likes of Hatton or Morales?

He also suggested that fighting people like Maidana and other riskier fighters would happen when Khan has developed / matured.

Makes sense to me - it's all about risk/reward.
It sets a very poor precedent when people win a title and then give it up straight away to avoid their mandatory.

It's a straight up bitch move. Imagine if everybody did that...what kind of joke sport would we have where a 'champion' is afraid to defend his title.

[pathmanc1986]

It sets a very poor precedent when people win a title and then give it up straight away to avoid their mandatory.

It's a straight up bitch move. Imagine if everybody did that...what kind of joke sport would we have where a 'champion' is afraid to defend his title.



your probably right about this. its killing the sport. the lads talking about fighting marquee names and he only wants to fight certain kinds of fighters. is he a man and a fighter or not?

[Darni187]

your probably right about this. its killing the sport. the lads talking about fighting marquee names and he only wants to fight certain kinds of fighters. is he a man and a fighter or not?

People need to remember Khan is still only 22, he still needs time to peak and develop, rushing him further could result in a loss again, Khan has already said he is not ready for the top fighters. If he wins a title at 27 and gives it up for a bad reason than thats a bitch move.

[TFFP]

If he's not ready to fight world class fighters he should have continued his education in the proper way.

It's just inexcusable to win and then immediately relinquish a world title.

Cherrypicking a bloated Morales 2 years after he lost to David Diaz...

It's this kind of shit that makes people want Kotelnik to win. He's a real champion that will conduct himself properly.

[Darni187]

Why fight for a title if you're not ready for the challenges it brings? Khan knew he'd have to fight the likes of Maidana if he beat Kotelnik. It is a bitch move. Recently, Khan was saying he is ready for the big fights so there's no excuse.

We all know Khan will not become the best 140 fighter over night if he wins tonight, but he will be on the right path it will open more doors. On Bunce Boxing hour Khan said he is not ready for the likes of JJM and elite fighters of that range. Sky have just been talking shit to build up the fight with names like Mayweather, and Pacman. Fighter like Medina are high risk at this stage and bring low reward. Look what happen to Ortiz.

[TFFP]

Hello...its not supposed to be a fucking walk in the park as 'World Champion'. High risk low reward...what the fuck!? What...you mean there is an actual risk involved... :roll:

This shit is pathetic. There comes a certain point where its almost acceptable to be cherrypicking fights against anybody you damn well feel like to maximize pay days, when you've earnt the right to by defending your titles and beating other world champs. Mayweather and Pacquiao for example are in that category.

He's ready to cherrypick Morales but he isn't ready to defend against Maidana. Pathetic, can't believe you defend this.

[Darni187]

Hello...its not supposed to be a fucking walk in the park as 'World Champion'. High risk low reward...what the fuck!? What...you mean there is an actual risk involved... :roll:

This shit is pathetic. There comes a certain point where its almost acceptable to be cherrypicking fights against anybody you damn well feel like to maximize pay days, when you've earnt the right to by defending your titles and beating other world champs. Mayweather and Pacquiao for example are in that category.

He's ready to cherrypick Morales but he isn't ready to defend against Maidana. Pathetic, can't believe you defend this.

I agree with what you are saying, but this is now how the high end of boxing works. No one wants to risk their money makers, it is a shame i know but Khan will have to do what he is told by ******/Roach. All iam saying Khan is young and does not need to take risks right now. Mayweather is in his prime and still dont like to take big risks, says boxing is a business, fighters are now products.

[TFFP]

I agree with what you are saying, but this is now how the high end of boxing works. No one wants to risk their money makers, it is a shame i know but Khan will have to do what he is told by ******/Roach. All iam saying Khan is young and does not need to take risks right now. Mayweather is in his prime and still dont like to take big risks, says boxing is a business, fighters are now products.
No, this is how the high end of boxing works if you are Amir Khan. Look at the other world champions and good fighters in the division. Maidana fought Kotelnik, but then he went to the US as a big underdog to face Ortiz.

Tim Bradley came to the UK to fight Witter, then fought a tough fight with Kendall Holt.

Kotelnik, well he's earned his stripes in the proper way, he's fought everyone that is anyone pretty much.

Amir Khan and Roach do not want to prove themselves, they want to cherrypick fights where the odds are stacked in their favour and earn money.

[Paddy]

I think people making to much of this spar what Khan had on Monday in his gym in Bolton, i mean he is 5 days away from fight night do you people really think Khan will be going all out? It was a bad spar, but the real sparing took place in L.A where I have been reading and watching good reports, i dont know where this guy who wrote this article got his info?

I will give you a recent interview (after the delay and Khan 2nd mini camp in L.A) with Khan's sparing partner R.Holloway who is also Pacman sparing partner.

Holloway is saying Khan is becoming more of a thinking fighter, and rates him top 3 at 140.

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Ive heard good things from wildcard about khan myself

that video of khan earlier this week was RELEASED by ******

theres a reason for that......

[Darni187]

No, this is how the high end of boxing works if you are Amir Khan. Look at the other world champions and good fighters in the division. Maidana fought Kotelnik, but then he went to the US as a big underdog to face Ortiz.

Tim Bradley came to the UK to fight Witter, then fought a tough fight with Kendall Holt.

Kotelnik, well he's earned his stripes in the proper way, he's fought everyone that is anyone pretty much.

Amir Khan and Roach do not want to prove themselves, they want to cherrypick fights where the odds are stacked in their favour and earn money.

Yep but the sad fact is they are not PPV fighters and dont hype around them, thats why they are willing to take risks to pay the bills, Khan dont have to and still make more than them. I dont agree with it but thats the bottem line. Khan himslef i think got balls for these fights, but after Prescott ****** will cherrypick for now at least.

[TFFP]

Yep but the sad fact is they are not PPV fighters and dont hype around them, thats why they are willing to take risks to pay the bills, Khan dont have to and still make more than them. I dont agree with it but thats the bottem line. Khan himslef i think got balls for these fights, but after Prescott ****** will cherrypick for now at least.
To be fair I agree with that. The lad Khan has balls and character IMO, I think he'd fight anyone.

Unfortunately Mr. Roach is giving ****** excuses to make shit fights with the way he's talking. Very disapointed with him, but then I suppose its to be expected the way he tries to get everybody to fight Pac at catchweights.

[Paddy]

To be fair I agree with that. The lad Khan has balls and character IMO, I think he'd fight anyone.

Unfortunately Mr. Roach is giving ****** excuses to make shit fights with the way he's talking. Very disapointed with him, but then I suppose its to be expected the way he tries to get everybody to fight Pac at catchweights.
agree100% khan will fight anyone but its ups to ****** to make fights....

[gallardo]

No, this is how the high end of boxing works if you are Amir Khan. Look at the other world champions and good fighters in the division. Maidana fought Kotelnik, but then he went to the US as a big underdog to face Ortiz.

Tim Bradley came to the UK to fight Witter, then fought a tough fight with Kendall Holt.

Kotelnik, well he's earned his stripes in the proper way, he's fought everyone that is anyone pretty much.

Amir Khan and Roach do not want to prove themselves, they want to cherrypick fights where the odds are stacked in their favour and earn money.

Dude, you seem uncharacteristically angry...take a step back for a moment. While I agree continously cherrypicking the best money fights is not great for the sport, I think you're missing a major point here: Roach hasn't said Khan will never fight boxing greats (in fact, in the Bunce interview he said that in time Khan has the potential to be a top fighter amongst the likes of Pacman and Mayweather), but right now Khan is not ready. He's still learning. ....so while learning, he's going for the best fights to help him develop and are commercially attractive.

An example of high risk / low reward? Khan v Prescott. Khan had nothing to gain fighting this guy, and everything to lose.

Another example now being slagged off for high risk / low reward: Ortiz v Maidana.

If everyone knows Khan is developing (he himself admits not being ready for Marquez) - it's unwise to throw him in with such fighters straight away.

This is only Khan's 22 fight. Give the kid a break.

ps. As for why fight Kotelnik? It's a great fight for Amir to continue developing while acting as a stepping stone. Lower risk / high reward. Don't hate the player (in this case Khan), hate the game.

[TFFP]

Dude, you seem uncharacteristically angry...take a step back for a moment. While I agree continously cherrypicking the best money fights is not great for the sport, I think you're missing a major point here: Roach hasn't said Khan will never fight boxing greats (in fact, in the Bunce interview he said that in time Khan has the potential to be a top fighter amongst the likes of Pacman and Mayweather), but right now Khan is not ready. He's still learning. ....so while learning, he's going for the best fights to help him develop and are commercially attractive.

An example of high risk / low reward? Khan v Prescott. Khan had nothing to gain fighting this guy, and everything to lose.

Another example now being slagged off for high risk / low reward: Ortiz v Maidana.

If everyone knows Khan is developing (he himself admits not being ready for Marquez) - it's unwise to throw him in with such fighters straight away.

This is only Khan's 22 fight. Give the kid a break.

ps. As for why fight Kotelnik? It's a great fight for Amir to continue developing while acting as a stepping stone. Lower risk / high reward. Don't hate the player (in this case Khan), hate the game.
I don't hate the game, because as I've demonstrated the other fighters in the division are quite willing to fight each other.

All your post demonstrates to me is how accepting you are of nonsense cherrypicking. I'm not asking for him to fight Marquez, I'm asking for him to defend the belt he may win tonight. It's quite a reasonable request really, if you are going to call yourself a world champ.

As for Ortiz and Prescott, yeah - they are all bad fights if you lose. How people react is just indicative of modern boxing where a loss is seen as a crisis. If we are going to compensate for that by cherrypicking easy fights you have a vicious circle right there.

[icemax]

...what kind of joke sport would we have where a 'champion' is afraid to defend his title.

One where the "no mandatory" Ring belt rules the roost :deal

I still can't work out how Maidana is mando for this belt. If Kotelnik wins we will have the ridiculous situation where he will have to fight a man again who he beat only one contest ago

[nufc16]

holloway comparing him to arthur abraham :D

[gallardo]

One where the "no mandatory" Ring belt rules the roost :deal

I still can't work out how Maidana is mando for this belt. If Kotelnik wins we will have the ridiculous situation where he will have to fight a man again who he beat only one contest ago

I've heard Salita's name also being mentioned as a Mando to the belt.

[superfly98]

holloway comparing him to arthur abraham :D

yeah i was like wtf when i heatd that!:?

Not sure about the video though. He aint gonna dog amir when he's in the gym. Also I think the problem with Amir is the people around him. He seems like a great guy but gets influenced by the people around him. Hyping him up every minute

[duffman85]

There comes a certain point where its almost acceptable to be cherrypicking fights against anybody you damn well feel like to maximize pay days, when you've earnt the right to by defending your titles and beating other world champs. Mayweather and Pacquiao for example are in that category.

He's ready to cherrypick Morales but he isn't ready to defend against Maidana. Pathetic, can't believe you defend this.

I personally dont feel Khan is doing anything wrong, they're in this business to make money and a clever manager will pick his fighter the matches for the MOST money with the LEAST risk.

He's still learning the game and when he has built up a following and a good resume he can go into some of these big name fights and make a lot more money than he would by fighting them now.

A guy like Mayweather shouldn't be running from opponents cherrypicking fights, how can you claim to be p4p champ when he has constantly ducked the likes of Cotto and Mosley or even Margarito.

Once you have risen to the top THEN you start taking on all challengers.