told you fools...all yall that was hatin on kimbo slice...man up and take your L [Archive]

barneyrub

06-24-2007, 01:04 AM

lol yall kill me..the same dudes that sayin that are the same ones sayin even tho he's old his boxing skills would be too much for slice...also sayin slice didnt have the stamina.....i KNEW yall was gonna pull out the old fighter card if he lost....yall are sadwell he wouldnt have the stamina, this doesnt prove he would, now he is going to fight another 40 something in tank abbott.

RAMPAGE0017

06-24-2007, 01:05 AM

Put this clown in a ring with Mercer and force him to actually trade some punches and watch how long he lasts. :yep

Does anyone aside from myself find it ironic that this guy insisted on fighting every one of his street fights standing up with fists only, yet as soon as he faces someone who he knows can punch, he immediately takes it to the ground? As a matter of fact, anyone remember when that UFC guy kept trying to take his fight with Kimbo to the ground, and all his little bitch-boy followers kept jumping in and saying it wasn't allowed? :lol:

joe the great

06-24-2007, 01:06 AM

I gotta admit I thought even a 46 year old Mercer still had enough to win. Wonder if there'll be a Kimbo-Sean 2?

2smart4u

06-24-2007, 01:06 AM

:patsch I cant beleive MERCER lost to that guy !:tired

boxingcar

06-24-2007, 01:08 AM

Kimbo ain't no MMA fighter...He just trained for a couple of weeks , some basics in grappling...that's it. He's a nobody in MMA. It's actually his very first mma fight.

demzor

06-24-2007, 01:10 AM

funny that a month or 2 of mma training is enough to defeat a lifetime of boxing training in a real fight..

lol

real effective that boxing..

Axe

06-24-2007, 01:58 AM

Kimbo DESTROYED mercer...man up and admit you were wrong

90% of this forum said Mercer was gonna win.

Not me though.

Time to eat crow for a few on here. :deal

El Bombasto

06-24-2007, 02:00 AM

I think it shows boxers beat MMA fighters under boxing rules and MMA fighters beat boxers under MMA rules.

I was wrong, and please, Ray, don't ever fight again.

Kimbo never trained MMA prior to preparing for this fight, and looks like Mercer never trained MMA ever

Axe

06-24-2007, 02:06 AM

Kimbo never trained MMA prior to preparing for this fight, and looks like Mercer never trained MMA ever

Kimbo trained MMA for 6 weeks, the latter half of that time under the tutelage of Bas Rutten in SoCal.

Dantes

06-24-2007, 02:12 AM

I thought the fight was to be under boxing rules.. otherwise I wouldn't have backed Mercer.:bart

Dantes

06-24-2007, 02:13 AM

I thought Mercer would win but Kimbo pulled out the expected "rush him like i'm a streetfight and get gassed in 2 mins" tactic. I really don't care though, this fight is nothing.

For comedic reasons, I want to see Kimbo Slice fight Bob Sapp now. There is about 1/2 a round of stamina between the two.

:good

Grabonator

06-24-2007, 02:55 AM

i was in awe of kimbo's raw power.. exciting fight to watch too bad ray didnt get much of a chance to fight back. he also punched ray a number of times with a shitload of punches while both were standing, ray against the cage. kimbo even throw body shots at him. then before ray could do anything he took him down. that was a perfect execution by kimbo and he showed that he has improved a lot in a short amount of time. how could you not be impressed and want to cheer him on? everyone said hes just an unskilled street brawler and he cant touch a pro.. and he came in and blazed through ex hw champ boxing easily

i still think maybe dana white paid mercer t take a dive.. its always a possibility dana white is trying to tip the odds

I think Kimbo did better than i thought, he learned pretty fast! This man has fighting talents, he should have started earlier and he should have been a boxer i bet he would make some noise. Hes just an natural fighter and with serious training and good trainers he could have gone far in boxing or in K-1 or MMA or wahtever he would have tried. Now it might be to late to develop into an good professional fighter at boxing, MMA or wahtever.

Beebs

06-24-2007, 03:55 AM

Put this clown in a ring with Mercer and force him to actually trade some punches and watch how long he lasts. :yep

Own up to your fucking predicition. Looks like boxing isn't all you need is it fanboy?

Mercer was clueless against a guy allowed to clinch and knee, he was losing that fight standing up too, not just on the ground.

sprite

06-24-2007, 05:06 AM

Kimbo ain't no MMA fighter...He just trained for a couple of weeks , some basics in grappling...that's it. He's a nobody in MMA. It's actually his very first mma fight.
don't know about that bro. kimbo seems like a good mma fighter... plus he has a lot of star power

hes probably one of the most popular mma fighters out there

Scar

06-24-2007, 05:07 AM

Moved to the MMA forum.

scurlaruntings

06-24-2007, 07:24 AM

:patsch I cant beleive MERCER lost to that guy !:tiredWhy not? I may aswell have been a sword fight.Kimbo is a street fighter.Mercer is a PRO boxer.There 2 entirely diffrent beasts.:patsch

scurlaruntings

06-24-2007, 07:25 AM

don't know about that bro. kimbo seems like a good mma fighter... plus he has a lot of star power

hes probably one of the most popular mma fighters out thereHe has a big following on the web because of his internet hardman antics.Like i said if Kimbo is serious let him compete as a pro on the pro circuit in MMA and only then will i take him seriously.

Nokstar

06-24-2007, 10:44 AM

90% of this forum said Mercer was gonna win.

Not me though.

Time to eat crow for a few on here. :deal

exactly...and now everybody cant remember nothing...its quite amusing lol

SweetScienceFan

06-24-2007, 10:54 AM

And so ends the debate of "Put Kimbo in their with a trained Boxer and he will killed". Kimbo absolutely manhandled Mercer.

AJAX

06-24-2007, 11:15 AM

Own up to your fucking predicition. Looks like boxing isn't all you need is it fanboy?

Mercer was clueless against a guy allowed to clinch and knee, he was losing that fight standing up too, not just on the ground.

he tends to dissapear when things like that happen

Burundanga

06-24-2007, 11:40 AM

i still think maybe dana white paid mercer t take a dive.. its always a possibility dana white is trying to tip the odds

dana white had nothing to do with this fight

oblate

06-24-2007, 02:59 PM

I think it shows boxers beat MMA fighters under boxing rules and MMA fighters beat boxers under MMA rules.

I was wrong, and please, Ray, don't ever fight again.
the first thing you said is true I don't know how anyone could think otherwise. however kimbo slice is not an mma fighter. Hes a streetfighter her trained some mma for this match.

ufoalf

06-24-2007, 04:06 PM

He has a big following on the web because of his internet hardman antics.Like i said if Kimbo is serious let him compete as a pro on the pro circuit in MMA and only then will i take him seriously.

Heh, true that. I still have a 7 y.o bumfights CD with him on it haha. Funny, how boxing fanboys starting to back down now lol. If they only knew that all MMA fighters actually love/like boxing...

Koa

06-25-2007, 12:25 AM

Kimbo DESTROYED mercer...man up and admit you were wrong

I was one who said I expected Mercer to KO Kimbo with a jab. I was under the impression that Kimbo was going to fight Mercer like he has fought all the other street scraps as he has in the past. As soon as I found out Kimbo, was training with Bas Rutten and company, I said one of two things would happen, and I still believe they hold true...

I said that if Kimbo fought toe to toe, he would get owned which he would have.. I also said if Kimbo took the fight to the ground he would win via ground and pound. I was off slightly, I didn't expect him to Choke Mercer out, but I was at least correct about a ground victory.

I think a lot of people were expecting Kimbo to bring it with the style he is known for. I'm telling you, if he knuckled up against Mercer and not gone for the takedown he would have been knocked out.

Drexl

06-25-2007, 02:51 AM

This fight is on a par with Butterbean vs Holmes in terms of significance.

If this victory over an old, fat, retired pro boxer is something to crow about, then MMA fans must be desperate indeed.

PIRA

06-25-2007, 03:04 AM

This fight is on a par with Butterbean vs Holmes in terms of significance.

If this victory over an old, fat, retired pro boxer is something to crow about, then MMA fans must be desperate indeed.

The point you miss Drexl, and one wonders if it is deliberately so, is that the crow that is being dished out is in celebration at how ridiculous Zakman's and similar posters such as Eviscerassaction look with their hyperbole.

No MMA fan considers this as anything but a celebrity fight yet to these fools it was the line in the sand where a pure boxer was going to school some MMA'er.

We could say we told you so......and we will so these presumptous no-nothings get owned over and over again. :rofl

Drexl

06-25-2007, 08:45 AM

The point you miss Drexl, and one wonders if it is deliberately so, is that the crow that is being dished out is in celebration at how ridiculous Zakman's and similar posters such as Eviscerassaction look with their hyperbole.

No MMA fan considers this as anything but a celebrity fight yet to these fools it was the line in the sand where a pure boxer was going to school some MMA'er.

We could say we told you so......and we will so these presumptous no-nothings get owned over and over again. :rofl

It was never the case of a pure boxer vs a MMA'er. Show me where I said it was.

It was an old EX-boxer vs an internet myth street-fighter. The guy that was in shape and bothered to learn a few MMA basics won the fight because it was under MMA rules.

Where is the surprise, and why am I supposed to be impressed? :huh

goldnarms

06-25-2007, 09:17 AM

It was never the case of a pure boxer vs a MMA'er. Show me where I said it was.

It was an old EX-boxer vs an internet myth street-fighter. The guy that was in shape and bothered to learn a few MMA basics won the fight because it was under MMA rules.

Where is the surprise, and why am I supposed to be impressed? :huh

Funny..now he's an "ex boxer". Whatever, all a "myth" had to do was learn a "few MMA basic" skills to destory a pro boxer in a matter of seconds.

Its not that you should be impressed. It just shows the limitation of only knowing one art The sad thing is. If Ray Mercer had even known tae kwan do and had never stepped foot an a boxing ring he would have done better. The fact is, even if he is old and washed up his sill set was 100 percent nullfied.

iksrtfo

06-25-2007, 09:19 AM

SweetScienceFan

06-25-2007, 05:00 PM

I just think that it is funny to see how before this fight was made, people always said that a person like Mercer would kill Kimbo in a street fight. Yet, they fought in MMA and Kimbo manhandled him, and all of the sudden those types of people are saying that Mercer was too old.

bigG

06-25-2007, 09:10 PM

i fully expected mercer to kayo kimbo...not because a boxer should do that to an mma fighter, but because i never thought kimbo would be in shape or have trained/learned basic mma.....credit to the guy....i was wrong.....iv never disliked kimbo, indeed, whenever iv seen him interviewd he has eemed like a down to earht decent guy......if he trains mma full time, perhaps he can have a brief, expolsive tank abbot type career.....??

Drexl

06-26-2007, 01:04 AM

I am impressed that some asshole off the street can train and beat a life time of boxing knowledge/training.

Yeah... can beat him in an MMA fight after training in MMA. Again where is the surprise?

If they both jumped in a swimming pool and did 100 metres, would you be impressed if Kimbo won? A fit 30 year old vs a fat 46 year old?

Drexl

06-26-2007, 01:06 AM

Whatever, all a "myth" had to do was learn a "few MMA basic" skills to destory a pro boxer in a matter of seconds.

....in an MMA fight. Exactly.

Why is anybody surprised or impressed?

SweetScienceFan

06-26-2007, 01:53 AM

Yeah... can beat him in an MMA fight after training in MMA. Again where is the surprise?

If they both jumped in a swimming pool and did 100 metres, would you be impressed if Kimbo won? A fit 30 year old vs a fat 46 year old?
Mercer was training in MMA as well. Other than the choke itself anyways, none of the grappling training that Kimbo did was really used in the fight. He was manhandling Mercer on their feet too.

SweetScienceFan

06-26-2007, 01:57 AM

....in an MMA fight. Exactly.

Why is anybody surprised or impressed?
Maybe because Mercer has been training and boxing for years? He also trained for, and fought in k-1, and now trained and fought in MMA. So, considering a common bad ass street fighter can train for a short time in MMA and completely dominate and beat a professional boxer who was a terrific contender and an Olympic gold Medalist says a lot. Just because Mercer is older now doesn't mean Kimbo didn't impress people by completely destroying a man who has been refining his skills for over 20 years.

Drexl

06-26-2007, 01:57 AM

Mercer was training in MMA as well. Other than the choke itself anyways, none of the grappling training that Kimbo did was really used in the fight. He was manhandling Mercer on their feet too.
So again it comes back to an in-shape 30 year old vs a fat 46 year old.

Again - completely predictable and not that impressive. And not really any kind of significant victory for MMA over boxing, just a victory for good preparation over bad preparation. :roll:

Drexl

06-26-2007, 02:00 AM

Maybe because Mercer has been training and boxing for years? He also trained for, and fought in k-1, and now trained and fought in MMA. So, considering a common bad ass street fighter can train for a short time in MMA and completely dominate and beat a professional boxer who was a terrific contender and an Olympic gold Medalist says a lot. Just because Mercer is older now doesn't mean Kimbo didn't impress people by completely destroying a man who has been refining his skills for over 20 years.

Yeah - a street fighter with MMA training beat a lifelong boxer IN MMA. You said it.

I still don't get the surprise. :think

SweetScienceFan

06-26-2007, 02:02 AM

So again it comes back to an in-shape 30 year old vs a fat 46 year old.

Again - completely predictable and not that impressive. :roll:
Is fighting only about ages in your book? What about the fighters themselves, their backrounds, does that mean anything? Kimbo is 33 and has been doing nothing but fighting in the street. Mercer has been training and competing at a top level of boxing all of his life. The answer to your question is simple. I see your point of it not being a big deal, if you agree that boxing is an extremely limited fighting sport compared to an MMA fight. I agree, which is why I certainly wasn't shocked to see Kimbo beat him. Had it been a top shelf MMA fighter, I would have bet everything that I own on the MMA fighter regardless of who the pure boxer was.

This argument that most are having goes back to the old boxing is a superior sport world. People have been saying for years that someone like Mercer would kill Kimbo in a fight. Not a boxing match, but a fight. This is a wake up call for people who think that boxers are unstoppable fighters in a real atmosphere. Who think that they will "kill people with those little gloves". The reality is that in a real fight, most of the beautiful, techincal ins and outs of boxing are pretty much useless.

SweetScienceFan

06-26-2007, 02:04 AM

Yeah - a street fighter with MMA training beat a lifelong boxer IN MMA. You said it.

I still don't get the surprise. :think
Who is asking you to be suprised?

Nokstar

06-26-2007, 02:15 AM

i find it funny that people are ignoring the fact that the fight started off with "boxing"...mercer was getting his azz whooped before any take down even happened...

iksrtfo

06-26-2007, 12:04 PM

Does anyone aside from myself find it ironic that this guy insisted on fighting every one of his street fights standing up with fists only, yet as soon as he faces someone who he knows can punch, he immediately takes it to the ground? As a matter of fact, anyone remember when that UFC guy kept trying to take his fight with Kimbo to the ground, and all his little bitch-boy followers kept jumping in and saying it wasn't allowed? :lol:

No. He was a bare knuckle brawler with no wrestling experience. Why would he want to wrestle? That is how he chose to fight.

Then he became an MMA fighter where anything was allowed. I think common sense dictated him taking the fight to the ground since he was fighting an ex WBO title holder. He was winning on his feet anyway to be honest.

iksrtfo

06-26-2007, 12:17 PM

Ray Mercer +175

Kimbo Slice -215

These were the odds at Bodog for the fight. I don't know shit about this but it looks like they had Mercer a head by alot, if I am reading it correctly. That being said I can't believe people still don't give Kimbo his props for this fight. He was supposed to lose according to this. I would think this company has people who are in the know come up with these odds since they have money on this.

BRICKS

06-26-2007, 01:39 PM

props to kimbo. i havent gotten to see the fight but i expected it to be in rays favor on the feet and kimbos on the ground. looks like kimbos training paid off and mercer wasnt ready for a NON boxing FIGHT! boxing with someone is totally different then actually "fighting" them.

lol at kimbo vs sapp .... itd deff be an endurance test but i see sapp landing too many hard blows in the first 30 seconds.

iksrtfo

06-26-2007, 01:42 PM

BRICKS

06-26-2007, 01:55 PM

sapp vs hoost was pretty good. hoost has better kicking skills than kimbo but if sapp throws some good kicks on kimbo he might fall easily. but yeah sapps like a big ass ogre.

Drexl

06-26-2007, 06:38 PM

Is fighting only about ages in your book? What about the fighters themselves, their backrounds, does that mean anything? Kimbo is 33 and has been doing nothing but fighting in the street. Mercer has been training and competing at a top level of boxing all of his life. The answer to your question is simple. I see your point of it not being a big deal, if you agree that boxing is an extremely limited fighting sport compared to an MMA fight. I agree, which is why I certainly wasn't shocked to see Kimbo beat him. Had it been a top shelf MMA fighter, I would have bet everything that I own on the MMA fighter regardless of who the pure boxer was.

This argument that most are having goes back to the old boxing is a superior sport world. People have been saying for years that someone like Mercer would kill Kimbo in a fight. Not a boxing match, but a fight. This is a wake up call for people who think that boxers are unstoppable fighters in a real atmosphere. Who think that they will "kill people with those little gloves". The reality is that in a real fight, most of the beautiful, techincal ins and outs of boxing are pretty much useless.

Well, for my part I would never say boxing is a "superior" sport. That is a ridiculous concept in my opinion. How can one sport be "superior" to any other?? Ridiculous. They are just different.

What I find funny is how people talk about MMA being closer to a real fight, like that's something to be proud of. Who cares - it still ISN'T a real fight. If I want to see a real fight I'll start one in a bar. That isn't why I watch boxing.

Drexl

06-26-2007, 06:40 PM

Who is asking you to be suprised?

All these threads with hysterical titles like "told you fools...all yall that was hatin on kimbo slice...man up and take your L" imply that it was some major event an something to shout about. And imply that we should be shocked by the result.

Beebs

06-26-2007, 07:37 PM

All these threads with hysterical titles like "told you fools...all yall that was hatin on kimbo slice...man up and take your L" imply that it was some major event an something to shout about. And imply that we should be shocked by the result.

Look, there was a large contingent who were predicting a huge blowout by Mercer just because he was a boxer and in there mind any boxer is going to "starch the bum" when they fight an MMA fighter (which to call Kimbo that is a stretch), thats who this thread is directed to, you are obviously not one of those people, so this thread is not directed at you, so you are not "supposed to be shocked" it is just a way of showing a few idiots how wrong they are.

Nokstar

06-27-2007, 11:39 PM

Look, there was a large contingent who were predicting a huge blowout by Mercer just because he was a boxer and in there mind any boxer is going to "starch the bum" when they fight an MMA fighter (which to call Kimbo that is a stretch), thats who this thread is directed to, you are obviously not one of those people, so this thread is not directed at you, so you are not "supposed to be shocked" it is just a way of showing a few idiots how wrong they are.

you said it exactly how i wanted to say it

Drexl

06-29-2007, 04:35 AM

Look, there was a large contingent who were predicting a huge blowout by Mercer just because he was a boxer and in there mind any boxer is going to "starch the bum" when they fight an MMA fighter
Well, they were idiots. I agree.

In an MMA fight the one who has more MMA training will win, especially if they are younger and fitter. It's a no-brainer.

Drexl

06-30-2007, 05:50 AM

He did trade punches and everything else on the feet ans was owning Mercer until he decided to own him on the ground. There's the difference between MMA and boxing, the other dimensions, which you boxing fans seem to neglect.

He traded about half a dozen punches, none of which landed cleanly.

In a boxing match he gets owned. In an MMA match against an MMA fighter he gets owned. In a street fight against a guy who wasn't afraid of him, he already got owned.

Folks just love Kimbo because he looks mean, but there are harder guys in my neighbourhood and probably in yours too.

It's just that the REAL hard men don't feel the need to shout about it and put their fights on the internet. They just hospitalize people on the DL.

Duende

06-30-2007, 02:14 PM