Pacman at 112 vs Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson

[kg0208]

Our resident expert Dominga says that at 112lbs, Pacman would have KO'd a prime Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson in one round.

Whatca think?

[PacDbest]

Our resident expert Dominga says that at 112lbs, Pacman would have KO'd a prime Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson in one round.

Whatca think?

As far as I know that guy was Koed by A Mexican.

[kg0208]

As far as I know that guy was Koed by A Mexican.

Yah, Raphael Marquez. And that wasn't at 112 now was it? I'm sorry, was that supposed to be an insult? I didn't realize that was shameful compared to being KO'd by Singsurat. :deal

[Sonny Carson]

Too Sharp wasn't in his prime when he fought Marquez.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Without a doubt, Johnson. He was at his best and seen as one of the best fighters in the world then. Manny didn't become the fighter he is till he was much bigger.

[kg0208]

Too Sharp wasn't in his prime when he fought Marquez.

Obviously. Of course though, Pac bring great power, stop Johnson in 2.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Too Sharp wasn't in his prime when he fought Marquez.

Neither was he a 118er. Too bad we missed out on Johnsone v. Morel.

[WhataRock]

Johnson was the best flyweight of the 90's and one of the fastest fighters I have ever seen.

As much as I love Pac, viewing his flyweight form there was nothing to say that he would even get close to Too Sharp.

[kg0208]

Johnson was the best flyweight of the 90's and one of the fastest fighters I have ever seen.

As much as I love Pac, viewing his flyweight form there was nothing to say that he would even get close to Too Sharp.

Much less KO him in one round....

[redrooster]

Mark would be too sharp for Pac.

[41fever]

@112 Too Sharp Kills Him!

[PacDbest]

Is there a Good fighter in Too sharp resume that close to Pac's style & Power???

[kg0208]

Is there a Good fighter in Too sharp resume that close to Pac's style & Power???
Is there a 112 lb fighter who is as good of a boxer as prime Johnson on Pacman's resume?

Is there ANY slick boxer on his resume at ALL as good as Johnson?

[KO Boxing]

Johnson, hands down.

[PacDbest]

Is there a 112 lb fighter who is as good of a boxer as prime Johnson on Pacman's resume?

Is there ANY slick boxer on his resume at ALL as good as Johnson?

Sasakul is a Skilled Fighter, He lost only once after Pac Koed him.
Ledwaba Is Skilled & Slick, But Pac make him looks like a Bum.

Where did Too sharp got his IBF Flyweight title??? Who's title is more legit Pac WBC 112 title or Too sharp's???

[KO Boxing]

Johnson was one of my favourite little guys ever in all honesty... If people thought JMM-Pac was bad for the last 10 rounds... Woo wee!

:D

[PacDbest]

Mark would be too sharp for Pac.

For your information:

Too sharp was Koed by Rafa who was TKOed by Pac's sparring Partner.

[kg0208]

For your information:

Too sharp was Koed by Rafa who was TKOed by Pac's sparring Partner.

Too Sharp was KO"d 2 weight classes over his natural weight.

And by a P4P caliber fighter.

Pacman was KO'd by 2 nobodies:deal

[magnum]

For your information:

Too sharp was Koed by Rafa who was TKOed by Pac's sparring Partner.

For your information, most boxing experts rank Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson in their all time top 5 at flyweight. Most experts also rank him as the best black fighter ever below bantamweight. He would make pacman look like an amateur at 112.

[kg0208]

Sasakul is a Skilled Fighter, He lost only once after Pac Koed him.
Ledwaba Is Skilled & Slick, But Pac make him looks like a Bum.

Where did Too sharp got his IBF Flyweight title??? Who's title is more legit Pac WBC 112 title or Too sharp's???

Sasakul fought NO one after Pacman KO'd him and NEVER won another title. He just beat someone on points who was 16-9-2 coming into the fight after UD a 0-3 guy. Don't try to build him up.

Ledwaba was a good fighter. Not a P4P rated fighter like Johnson and they are not comparable.

Too Sharp got his title when it was vacated.

Pacman beat Sasakul who is as described above. And he got his as an interim title. He never beat anyone at all for it either. Neither title was more legit.

But Johnson was #1 in that division after Arbachakov vacated. Not Sasakul.

[PacDbest]

Too Sharp was KO"d 2 weight classes over his natural weight.

And by a P4P caliber fighter.

Pacman was KO'd by 2 nobodies:deal

Pac Moved up 6 classes above Flyweight & was never Koed. Instead he Knockout almost all the best on the way up, including 2 P4p & HOF fighters.

[PacDbest]

Sasakul fought NO one after Pacman KO'd him and NEVER won another title. He just beat someone on points who was 16-9-2 coming into the fight after UD a 0-3 guy. Don't try to build him up.

Ledwaba was a good fighter. Not a P4P rated fighter like Johnson and they are not comparable.

Too Sharp got his title when it was vacated.

Pacman beat Sasakul who is as described above. And he got his as an interim title. He never beat anyone at all for it either. Neither title was more legit.

But Johnson was #1 in that division after Arbachakov vacated. Not Sasakul.

Who's the lineal title holder?? Sasakul or Too sharp???

[kg0208]

Pac Moved up 6 classes above Flyweight & was never Koed. Instead he Knockout almost all the best on the way up, including 2 P4p & HOF fighters.

Can't have it both ways.

He gets LITTLE credit for moving up if you say he was KO'd cuz he was weight drained meaning he was fighting in weight classes he was too big for and therefore had an advantage.

If you want full credit for his being a natural flyweight and moving up and winning, then you have to stop making excuses for his losses at those weights. Your choice.

And this has nothing to do with whether he could beat Johnson at 112. DLH moved up 6 weight classes winning titles and there are guys at each weight class who could beat him.

[kg0208]

Who's the lineal title holder?? Sasakul or Too sharp???

Neither....didn't you read what I said?

Sasakul had an interim title that only became a full title when the real title holder vacated.

Johnson won his vacant.

[SugarShane_24]

For me it's a pick-em fight.


Too sharp is one of the best ever at 112, but to be honest, he hasn't faced someone who bang at 112 and to see how he handles it. Pity he never had a chance to test himself against Arbachakov(who retired) and Danny Romero(who i believe avoided him).


On the other hand, the best fly Pac has faced is sasakul who is just behind Johnson at the fly rankings at that time. Although not as known, he brings power and skills to the table. And Pac's power eventually caught up with him. And you have to concede that Pac is not as polished back then as he is now.


Look, Johnson has the skills to outbox pac but he has to be very cautious about his surroundings. One thing that everyone keeps saying is that Pac is very dangerous because of his speed and you can't see all of his punches.


For me, I'd say Pac will be behind and busted after 10 rounds(looking like what Marquez did to him), then his pressure and powerpunching finally takes a toll and scores an upset stoppage in the 12th.

[theunderdog]

pac was not good at 112. he had power but that's about it

[JamRos]

Neither....didn't you read what I said?

Sasakul had an interim title that only became a full title when the real title holder vacated.

Johnson won his vacant.

I believe Arbachakov was considered the lineal champ at 112 before Sasakul beat him. Yuri was a 112 champ for several years even before Too Sharp had his own. Yuri held a title for 5 years and also was put by the Ring in its P4P top 10 at one time.

[JamRos]

Sasakul was indeed the real champ at 112.

[PH|LLA]

Pac has no skills, is a shitty fighter, and would get pumelled all night

happy?

[PacDbest]

I believe Arbachakov was considered the lineal champ at 112 before Sasakul beat him. Yuri was a 112 champ for several years even before Too Sharp had his own. Yuri held a title for 5 years and also was put by the Ring in its P4P top 10 at one time.

That's a fact!!!!

[Danny Ocean]

For your information:

Too sharp was Koed by Rafa who was TKOed by Pac's sparring Partner.

lol typical dumb pacquiao fan shouts

get some knowledge before ;osting

p.s youve probly never even seen LL fight

[PacDbest]

lol typical dumb pacquiao fan shouts

get some knowledge before ;osting

p.s youve probly never even seen LL fight

Prove if my statement is wrong???

[CASH_718]

Fucking dumb pac man fans. Johnson would rape him.

[CASH_718]

We're not talking about Magic dumbass. :patschWas that an attempt at humor???

[CASH_718]

It wasnt. Was just describing you as a dumbass. :hi:Good your.:good :roll:

[CASH_718]

Dont thank me for it. Just change your ways. :goodI'll stick to just telling you good job.

[CASH_718]

Thanks, just lessen the PacHate, will ya? :hi:It's not hate just cause there are people that can beat pac you just can't handle it and call it hate.

[PolishPummler]

It's not hate just cause there are people that can beat pac you just can't handle it and call it hate.

To them it's hate if you dont consider PAC the G.O.A.T.

[PolishPummler]

Did I say Pac was GOAT?

Fucking liar. :hi:

:| :| :|

[PolishPummler]

Are you crying because I just exposed your lies? :hi:

Only in your own head!

[PolishPummler]

So where is my "Pac is GOAT post"?

Fucking liar. :roll:

You printed it up and ate the paper:lol:

No question if Manny loses you will :|

[CASH_718]

Where is my "Pac is GOAT" you bitch? :hi:Have you ever picked against him in a mystical match up???

[puga_ni_nana]

I believe Arbachakov was considered the lineal champ at 112 before Sasakul beat him. Yuri was a 112 champ for several years even before Too Sharp had his own. Yuri held a title for 5 years and also was put by the Ring in its P4P top 10 at one time.

:good

[PolishPummler]

Domngo claimed that Pac's punch is only a few pounds less harder per square inch than Tyson's.

Domngo claimed if Ali was 2 inches shorter and 10 pounds lighter Pac would take him.

Domngo claimed that if Sugar Ray Robinson never existed Pac would be the greatest non Heavyweight fighter in history.....:hi:

[PolishPummler]

:good

Another EWOK enters:lol:

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[puga_ni_nana]

Pac has no skills, is a shitty fighter, and would get pumelled all night

happy?

hahaha! it seems that these pac bashers are getting on to your nerves. :lol:

[kg0208]

:good You're right, I'm wrong.

[kg0208]

That's a fact!!!!

You're right he did. After he lost to him.

[Danny Ocean]

Thanks, just lessen the PacHate, will ya? :hi:

stop getting so upset an emotional because people are criticizing pacquiao

[puga_ni_nana]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sasakul LOST to him. He never beat him.

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they fought twice. the 2nd time, sasakul beat him and yuri retired.

[PolishPummler]

they fought twice. the 2nd time, sasakul beat him and yuri retired.

Come with facts only after someone gives you a boxrec link.:lol:

Too little too late.

[puga_ni_nana]

Another EWOK enters:lol:

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Read the last page.

no need for this racist remark. if you feel that you are a superior race since you are a pole then so be it. i am just agreeing with what jamros said that sasakul is the real lineal champ at 112 during that time.

[kg0208]

they fought twice. the 2nd time, sasakul beat him and yuri retired.

Oh yes, I know....I just corrected myself.

However, him being lineal champ means very little right?

Lets review. You guys bash PBF for beating Baldomir .....the LINEAL Champ.

So apparently this doesn't matter to you. Sasakul was unranked before that win, and has done nothing since he lost the title. Johnson was a better fighter than Sasakul. I mean, if being Lineal makes you the best....then stop bashing PBF for beating Baldomir.

[puga_ni_nana]

Come with facts only after someone gives you a boxrec link.:lol:

Too little too late.

wtf! i do know this already even without the link. :lol:

[PolishPummler]

no need for this racist remark. if you feel that you are a superior race since you are a pole then so be it. i am just agreeing with what jamros said that sasakul is the real lineal champ at 112 during that time.

This was inevitable.:lol:

I didnt even get into anything racial and kept my joke light hearted.

[puga_ni_nana]

Oh yes, I know....I just corrected myself.

However, him being lineal champ means very little right?

Lets review. You guys bash PBF for beating Baldomir .....the LINEAL Champ.

So apparently this doesn't matter to you. Sasakul was unranked before that win, and has done nothing since he lost the title. Johnson was a better fighter than Sasakul. I mean, if being Lineal makes you the best....then stop bashing PBF for beating Baldomir.

please don't stereotype pinoys. not all pinoys bash pbf. just like americans, some pinoys like pbf and some don't.

[kg0208]

please don't stereotype pinoys. not all pinoys bash pbf. just like americans, some pinoys like pbf and some don't.

Who said Pinoys? I said YOU GUYS. Look at the threads up right now and get back to me. Only people arguing that PBF wasn't dominant over Baldomir AND saying Baldomir wasn't very good in the thread about resumes are PACMAN FANS.

Stop trying to make this racial or ethnic or nationality based. I don't give a damn where you are from.

So like I said, don't act like being Lineal automatically makes you good then bash PBF for beating one and say he is not that good. Baldomir WAS the Lineal champion....he wasn't the best WW, just a top 5 at the time.

Sasakul finally won the Lineal title after losing first. He was not better than Johnson.

[puga_ni_nana]

This was inevitable.:lol:

I didnt even get into anything racial and kept my joke light hearted.

so ewok for you is a light-hearted joke? :lol:

[Warfist]

Too Sharp by a comfortable UD. Best "little man"(112 and below) ive ever seen while he was in his prime(112). I like both fighters but Johnson was just too slick for pac to land anything significant, and to those mentioning Johnson being kayod by Marquez, they should consider that Johnson was already a good deal slower and 2 weight classes above his best weight.

By the way even though I am a fan of PAC's, it makes me sick that many of his hardcore fans are irrational retards when it comes to realistically matching up styles and weight classes to analyze his potential match-ups.

[kg0208]

Too Sharp by a comfortable UD. Best "little man" ive ever seen while he was in his prime. I like both fighters but Johnson was just too slick for pac to land anything significant, and to those mentioning Johnson being kayod by Marquez, they should consider that Johnson was already a good deal slower and 2 weight classes above his best weight.

By the way even though I am a fan of PAC's, it makes me sick that many of his hardcore fans are irrational retards when it comes to realistically matching up styles and weight classes to analyze his potential match-ups.
You sir are a boxing fan....along with being a fan of a few fighters. There is a difference between you and fans of fighters who only care about those fighters.

Lots of guys Pacman can beat in mythical matchups. This is not one of them. And it's absurd to say he could KO him in one round like Dominga said.

[PolishPummler]

so ewok for you is a light-hearted joke? :lol:

100%

[puga_ni_nana]

Who said Pinoys? I said YOU GUYS. Look at the threads up right now and get back to me. Only people arguing that PBF wasn't dominant over Baldomir AND saying Baldomir wasn't very good in the thread about resumes are PACMAN FANS.

Stop trying to make this racial or ethnic or nationality based. I don't give a damn where you are from.

So like I said, don't act like being Lineal automatically makes you good then bash PBF for beating one and say he is not that good. Baldomir WAS the Lineal champion....he wasn't the best WW, just a top 5 at the time.

Sasakul finally won the Lineal title after losing first. He was not better than Johnson.

my mistake. you seem a decent guy. you're take is that these guys bash pbf for beating baldomir? i think this is a good win for pbf. it is not pbf's fault if the lineal champ during that time is a weak one. about mark johnson being better than sasakul, this is quite subjective because they never fought.

[kg0208]

my mistake. you seem a decent guy. you're take is that these guys bash pbf for beating baldomir? i think this is a good win for pbf. it is not pbf's fault if the lineal champ during that time is a weak one. about mark johnson being better than sasakul, this is quite subjective because they never fought.

True they never fought. But Johnson does have a better resume and accomplishments. Sasakul never did anything after losing to Pacman. He was a good fighter by all accounts...

But someone has said he is as good as MAB and Morales combined and that is a little psychotic.

[puga_ni_nana]

True they never fought. But Johnson does have a better resume and accomplishments. Sasakul never did anything after losing to Pacman. He was a good fighter by all accounts...

But someone has said he is as good as MAB and Morales combined and that is a little psychotic.

sasakul is a very good fighter. he never did anything after he lose to pacquiao because just like every thai fighter we know, they are content to fight in their backyard if not given an oppurtunity in japan.

when he fought pac, he was boxing beautifully and was ahead by points when pacquiao stole this fight through his raw power.

[kg0208]

sasakul is a very good fighter. he never did anything after he lose to pacquiao because just like every thai fighter we know, they are content to fight in their backyard if not given an oppurtunity in japan.

when he fought pac, he was boxing beautifully and was ahead by points when pacquiao stole this fight through his raw power.

I know how he won the fight. But if he is content to fight in his backyard, then he has not proven to be a great fighter. A good one yes....as good as MAB and Morales combined? No....

[jopez707]

I dont believe that Pac would have beat Too Sharp Johnson (@ 112 or 115) who was way better than Pac at the lower weights. Pacquiao didnt really shine until the 122 lb and 126 lb division. Divisions that Johnson never fought at. Interestingly enough all 3 of Johnson's ko losses were in the 8th round.

[jopez707]

How can you say that when Pac DOMINATED these guys while he got DOMINATED by Sasakul?

Wow...have u ever looked at Barrera and Morales's resumes?:patsch