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[kosaros]

Just a bit of fun, I thought we could rank the fighters in each division and see what we come up with.

P4P Top 10 UK fighters
*New list coming soon*

Heavyweight
ESB Champ: David Haye (23-1) WBA Champion
1. Albert Sosnowski (45-2-1)
2. Sam Sexton** (13-1)
3. Martin Rogan (12-2)
4. Derek Chisora* (13-0)
5. Audley Harrison (27-4)
6. Tyson Fury (11-0)
7. Matt Skelton (23-5)
8. John McDermott (25-7)
9. Michael Sprott (32-15)
10. Larry Olubamiwo (9-1)
11. Tom Dallas (11-0)
12. David Price (7-0)

Cruiserweight
ESB Champ: Ola Afolabi (14-2-3)
1. Herbie Hide (49-4)
2. Enzo Maccarinelli* (32-4)
3. Rob Norton* (31-4-2)
4. David Dolan (14-2-1)
5. Terry Dunstan (23-3)
6. Leon Williams (5-2)
7. Tyrone Wright (9-4-2)
8. Jon-Lewis Dickinson (8-1)
9. Matty Askin (7-0)
10. JJ Ojuedrie (13-5-1)
11. Tony Conquest (4-0)
12. Chris Keane (2-0)

Light-Heavyweight
ESB Champ: Nathan Cleverly**(19-0)
1. Danny McIntosh (11-1)
2. Ovill McKenzie (18-9)
3. Tony Bellew** (13-0)
4. Courtney Fry (13-3)
5. Bob Ajisafe (8-1)
6. Michael Banbula (10-25-4)
7. Darren Stubbs (21-5)
8. Matthew Barney (26-7-1)
9. Travis Dickinson (6-0)
10. Menay Edwards (4-0)
11. Tony Jeffries (7-0-1)
12. Wayne Reed (4-1)

Super-Middleweight
ESB Champ: Carl Froch (26-1)
1. Brian Magee* (33-3-1)
2. Paul Smith* (29-1)
3. Tony Quigley (13-2)
4. George Groves** (9-0)
5. Kenny Anderson (11-0)
6. Darren McDermott (17-2-1)
7. Patrick Mendy (8-4)
8. Carl Dilks (14-2)
9. Tony Dodson (24-6-1)
10. Stevie McGuire (15-1-1)
11. James DeGale (7-0)
12. Paul David (12-5)

Middleweight
ESB Champ: Matthew Macklin (26-2)
1. Darren Barker** (22-0)
2. Craig McEwan (19-0)
3. Martin Murray (19-0)
4. Howard Eastman (46-6)
5. Kreshnik Qato (23-6)
6. Paul Samuels (21-7-2)
7. Danny Butler (19-4)
8. Cello Renda (18-9-1)
9. Billy Joe Saunders (6-0)
10. George Hillyard (10-5-1)
11. Tyan Booth (11-6-1)
12. Liam Cameron (5-0)

Light-Middleweight
ESB Champ: Ryan Rhodes*(44-4)
1. Sam Webb* (16-1)
2. Anthony Small (23-2)
3. Matthew Hall (23-2)
4. Prince Arron (19-3-1)
5. Martin Concepcion (17-7)
6. Neil Sinclair (33-8.)
7. Max Maxwell (12-9-2)
8. Yassine El Maachi (13-4)
9. Brett Flournoy (11-1-0-1)
10. Jack Arnfield (12-0)
11. Alex Matvienko (15-1-3)
12. Nathan Graham (10-1)
(Note: Craig Watson - who is ranked at Welter - is the current Light-Middle C'wealth champion)

Welterweight
ESB Champ: Matthew Hatton* (40-4-2)
1. Kell Brook* (21-0)
2. Michael Jennings (36-2)
3. Ashley Theophane (27-4-1)
4. Craig Watson (17-3)
5. Mark Thompson (23-1)
6. Denton Vassell** (14-0)
7. Michael Lomax (17-2-1)
8. Kevin McIntyre (27-7)
9. Bradley Pryce (30-8.)
10. Adnan Amar (23-1)
11. Dale Miles (9-0)
12. Young Mutley (29-5)

Light-Welterweight
ESB Champ: Amir Khan (23-1) WBA Champion
1. Paul McCloskey (21-0)
2. Ajose Olusegun** (27-0)
3. Lenny Daws* (21-1-2)
4. John O'Donnell (22-1)
5. Gavin Rees (31-1)
6. David Barnes (24-2-1)
7. Nigel Wright (21-6-1)
8. Colin Lynes (33-8.)
9. Jason Cook (26-3-1)
10. Steve Williams (9-1)
11. Curtis Woodhouse (14-1)
12. Frankie Gavin (7-0)

Lightweight
ESB Champ: John Murray** (29-0)
1. Kevin Mitchell (31-1)
2. Lee McAllister** (31-2)
3. Willie Limond (33-2)
4. Gary Buckland (18-2)
5. John Watson (13-0)
6. Alex Arthur (27-3)
7. Martin Gethin (18-3-1)
8. Ryan Brawley (16-0)
9. Gary McArthur (15-1)
10. Ben Murphy (7-3-1)
11. Paul Holborn (11-2-2)
12. Liam Walsh (8-0)

Super-Featherweight
ESB Champ: Ricky Burns**(28-2)
1. Gary Sykes* (16-0)
2. Scott Lawton (27-6-1)
3. Andy Morris (19-3)
4. Stephen Foster Jnr (27-2-1)
5. Anthony Crolla (17-2)
6. Kevin O’Hara (17-6)
7. Carl Johanneson (28-4)
8. Chris Male (9-0)
9. Femi Fehintola (21-2)
10. Stevie Bell (18-2-2)
11. Lee Selby (7-1)
12. Mark Alexander (10-4)

Featherweight
ESB Champ: Martin Lindsay* (16-0)
1. John Simpson** (21-6)
2. Paul Appleby (14-1)
3. Choi Tseveenpurev (29-4)
4. Paul Truscott (13-2)
5. Stephen Smith (10-0)
6. Jamie Arthur (17-4)
7. Joe Murray (7-0)
8. Akash Bhatia (15-1)
9. John Donnelly (12-1)
10. Ryan Walsh (10-0)
11. Martin Ward (8-0)
12. Samir Mouneimne (4-0-1)

Super Bantamweight
ESB Champ: Rendall Munroe***(21-1)
1. Jason Booth* (35-5)
2. Scott Quigg (19-0)
3. Matthew Marsh (13-2)
4. Michael Hunter (29-2-1)
5. Ricky Owen (13-0)
6. Ian Napa (19-9)
7. Davey Savage Jr (10-0)
8. Kris Hughes (12-0)
9. Michael Walsh (7-0)
10. Stuart McFadyen (12-1-1)
11. Mark Moran (11-2-1)
12. Josh Wale (10-3)

Bantamweight
ESB Champ: Jamie McDonnell** (14-2-1)
1. Stuart Hall (9-0-1)
2. Gary Davies (10-3-1)
3. Martin Power (21-6)
4. Matthew Edmonds (10-4)
5. Sean Hughes (15-10-1)
6. Kid Galahad (3-0)
7. Kieran Farrell (4-0)

Super Flyweight
ESB Champ: Lee Haskins* (20-2)
1. Don Broadhurst (11-1)
2. Paul Edwards (7-0)
3. Ross Burkinshaw (9-2-2)
4. Andy Bell (11-7)
5. James Mulhern (3-0)

Flyweight
ESB Champ: Shinny Bayaar* (15-4-2)
1. Ashley Sexton (9-0-1)
2. Chris Edwards** (14-14-3)
3. Usman Ahmed (6-3-1)
4. Luke Wilton (7-2-1)
5. Kevin Coglan (1-2)

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Key:
* British Champion
** Commonwealth Champion
* British and Commonwealth Champion
* European Champion
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[LHL]

Seems fine that list Kosa not much to talk about on it. The cruiserweights will spark a real debate :lol:

[Losfer_Words]

I'd say that was a fair list. Maybe at this point in time McDermott should be above Fury and Fury should be below Sprott but aside from that I agree with the 10 involved.

[GazOC]

I agree Fury is too high based on what he has actually done, he'll probably beat a lot of the guys above him but thats not really the issue IMHO.

[kosaros]

So Fury 2 places down? I will make the change :good

[rooq]

So Fury 2 places down? I will make the change :good

agree there :good

i wasn't sure about chisora, but i guess he holds a win over sexton so can't be placed any lower

[Losfer_Words]

Also, are we talking about current versions of those involved because maybe Williams deserves to be infront of Skelton if we're talking about career resume thus far.

[kosaros]

Also, are we talking about current versions of those involved because maybe Williams deserves to be infront of Skelton if we're talking about career resume thus far.


I just think Skelton has done that bit more than Williams in recent years even though he lost his last fight. Plus Williams did not look impressive in either of his 'wins' against McDermott.

[Losfer_Words]

I just think Skelton has done that bit more than Williams in recent years even though he lost his last fight. Plus Williams did not look impressive in either of his 'wins' against McDermott.

I defo agree with that but I'm talking about his glory days.:think On current form Skelton does deserve to be above him, though:blood.

[kosaros]

I defo agree with that but I'm talking about his glory days.:think On current form Skelton does deserve to be above him, though:blood.


Yep, I'm not just rating tham on their entire career, but other factors as, for example, their current form, class of opponents, performance in fights etc. :good

[kosaros]

Fraudley should be no where near any top 10.

Give me a reason for why he shouldn't be and also tell me who should be in the top 10 in place of Audley. If people agree with you then I will change it.

[LHL]

If fury goes down i say chisora too

[kosaros]

If fury goes down i say chisora too


Chisora, whilst being a prick, does have a more standout victory than Fury though and has had a couple more fights.

Still, if people back you up on it I will move him down :good

[ishy]

Chisora at 5 :think
Apart from that win against an inexperienced Sexton he hasn't done much else.

[kosaros]

Right LHL you have been backed up! :lol:

How many places should he drop? 1 or 2?

[LHL]

I'd stick McDermott (although he is a mess) and Sprott above him

[Losfer_Words]

Chisora at 5 :think
Apart from that win against an inexperienced Sexton he hasn't done much else.

In a real bastardish, vindictive way I'm glad he fucked up his crack at the Lonsdale belt.

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:twisted:

[kosaros]

Changed :good

[rooq]

I'd stick McDermott (although he is a mess) and Sprott above him

why sprott? although he's faced a higher level of comp, he's won one fight in his last 5. that stoppage of fraudley was 2 and a half years ago...around the time chisora made his pro debut!

In that time chisora has won all ten fights including a win over the fighter we currently have second in these rankings.

i'd have him below mcmuffin (:yep) but above sprott

[antcull]

Yeah Sprott should move down.......alls he has done since Audley is lose, its not really that impressive....

Apart from that the list will do.

We got some shite HWs though

[LHL]

why sprott? although he's faced a higher level of comp, he's won one fight in his last 5. that stoppage of fraudley was 2 and a half years ago...around the time chisora made his pro debut!

In that time chisora has won all ten fights including a win over the fighter we currently have second in these rankings.

i'd have him below mcmuffin (:yep) but above sprott

:good fair enough just thought Sprott has fought the better fighters

[kosaros]

There we go, all changes made. I think we are all in agreement now?

[Losfer_Words]

Haye should be super champ and Sexton should be interim:?.

[kosaros]

Haye should be super champ and Sexton should be interim:?.

Oh fuck off Losfer :lol:

This is not a corrupt governing body :deal;)

[Losfer_Words]

Oh fuck off Losfer :lol:

This is not a corrupt governing body :deal;)

How dare you!:blood

[antcull]

There we go, all changes made. I think we are all in agreement now?

Nah......

Chisora above Sprott

[kosaros]

Nah......

Chisora above Sprott

:lol:

If someone agrees with you (people asked for Chisora to go down! :yep) then I will make the change :good

[ishy]

Haye should be super champ and Sexton should be interim:?.

Haye should be champion in recess as he has not fought for a while and Sexton should be regular champion. Fury-McDermott will be for the interim title and Lennox is champion emiratus :deal.

[Losfer_Words]

Haye should be champion in recess as he has not fought for a while and Sexton should be regular champion. Fury-McDermott will be for the interim title and Lennox is champion emiratus :deal.

Of course, how silly and flippant of me.:patsch Also, Chisora should be the mando for Sexton, thus making him also 'interim'.

[LHL]

Of course, how silly and flippant of me.:patsch Also, Chisora should be the mando for Sexton, thus making him also 'interim'.

although Rogan is fighting Sexton soon so he should be number 1 contender. Kos you have this all wrong

[Losfer_Words]

although Rogan is fighting Sexton soon so he should be number 1 contender. Kos you have this all wrong

Kos has fucked this up big time. Delete the thread.... I'll ring the WBA to sort this mess out.

[kosaros]

I think its time to abandon thread ;)

[mirfieldmexican]

this is the best thread i've ever read, just like a day in the office at the wba lol

[antcull]

:lol:

If someone agrees with you (people asked for Chisora to go down! :yep) then I will make the change :good

Ohhh so thats how it works, eh??

My opinion isnt worth a change in the rankings but other people ask Chisora to go down and you oblige :verysad

Well FINE then........I won't participate in this failure of a thread anymore!!!!

Can't wait to see your crusierweight rankings...I'm guessing Enzo will be numero uno with your shitty rankings :deal

[kosaros]

Ohhh so thats how it works, eh??

My opinion isnt worth a change in the rankings but other people ask Chisora to go down and you oblige :verysad

Well FINE then........I won't participate in this failure of a thread anymore!!!!

Can't wait to see your crusierweight rankings...I'm guessing Enzo will be numero uno with your shitty rankings :deal

No need to be so offensive!

Actually, someone said move Chisora down and someone backed him up, so I moved him down.

Ola will be number 1 on the rankings for the cruisers :good

[antcull]

No need to be so offensive!

Actually, someone said move Chisora down and someone backed him up, so I moved him down.

Ola will be number 1 on the rankings for the cruisers :good

:lol: I wasn't being serious bud.........

But really......Sprott down.....Trust your own judgement and put Chisora in his rightful place!

[bored]

Seems good to me, I'm more interested in seeing you try and find 10 cruiserweights who anyone can even be bothered arguing about

[Losfer_Words]

Seems good to me, I'm more interested in seeing you try and find 10 cruiserweights who anyone can even be bothered arguing about

Well, currently McCrory is still active as he's fighting for his Sky career. Boom boom:lol:.

[robpalmer135]

i think those rankings are spot on.

[kosaros]

i think those rankings are spot on.

There we go. We will keep them as they are....for now.

Will start the cruisers soon :good

[kosaros]

Cruiserweight list is up. This was even more depressing than the Heavyweights :-(

Couple of things; is Dean Francis retired? I think he is, but if he isn't I will put him in the list, and is Tony Bellew at light-heavyweight? Again, if he isn't then he will be in the list.

I expect a few changes to happen to this list :yep:good

[Losfer_Words]

Cruiserweight list is up. This was even more depressing than the Heavyweights :-(

Couple of things; is Dean Francis retired? I think he is, but if he isn't I will put him in the list, and is Tony Bellew at light-heavyweight? Again, if he isn't then he will be in the list.

I expect a few changes to happen to this list :yep:good

Tony Hay told me the other day that he's signed Francis over to ****** so he can't be retired:blood:huh.

EDIT: I've just looked at the cruiser rankings- nothing seems controversial there.

[kosaros]

Tony Hay told me the other day that he's signed Francis over to ****** so he can't be retired:blood:huh.

Fair enough, I just thought he was. Well he will be put in :good

[Losfer_Words]

Fair enough, I just thought he was. Well he will be put in :good

He has gone off the boil recently so see where you're coming from. I don't think anyone will argue with the cruiser list, Kos. Start the LHW's- it's obvious who I want top:D:good.

[kosaros]

He has gone off the boil recently so see where you're coming from. I don't think anyone will argue with the cruiser list, Kos. Start the LHW's- it's obvious who I want top:D:good.

Yeah I will start the light-heavy's. :good

Although I still expect people to comment on the cruiser's, because I am not happy with the bottom-half of the list.

[kosaros]

Light-heavies up :good

I expect Jeffries being on there will be controversial :yep

[robpalmer135]

Isnt Jeffries planning on being at Super Middle???

[rooq]

There we go. We will keep them as they are....for now.

Will start the cruisers soon :good

just wondering. if sprott loses his next 2 fights will he move up another place? its like the fuckin wbo in here. :D

[Losfer_Words]

Isnt Jeffries planning on being at Super Middle???

That was/ is the plan but at the moment he's weighing in within the LHW limit. It's to be expected for this first few bouts whilst he's maturing into a SM frame.

[LHL]

just wondering. if sprott loses his next 2 fights will he move up another place? its like the fuckin wbo in here. :D

When Chisora fights some on on the level of sprott he can move up :good:lol:

[scunny slugger]

think i would add ovill mckenzie in cruiser

[rooq]

i know he's a natural lhw but ovil mckenzie won the prizefighter cruiserweights including wins over dunstan and corbett. then again these are three rounders and possibly shouldn't impact rankings.

[rooq]

for the light heavy weights i'd possibly switch mcintosh and bellew around.

[Losfer_Words]

for the light heavy weights i'd possibly switch mcintosh and bellew around.

I was thikning that as well:good. He was outclassed against Cleverly but that doesn't all of a sudden make him drop that far down the list, IMO.:think

[LHL]

Yeah that would be a good fight if it happens Mac ahead of Bellew for now

[antcull]

Light-heavies up :good

I expect Jeffries being on there will be controversial :yep

Yeah get rid of Jeffries.

And either get rid of Tony Bellew or move him well down, he hasnt even fought at the 175 limit yet, how the hell has he got to no.4!? Beating Matthew Ellis at 190?

[robpalmer135]

Bellow should still be bellow McIntosh, also where is Ovil McEnzie??
Jeffries has stated he will fight at light heavy, prospects generally fight slightly above that weight.

[robpalmer135]

Also I think we should have a limit on when someones last fight was of 1 year. So Gavin Rees for example should not be ranked until his next fight.

[antcull]

Bellow should still be bellow McIntosh, also where is Ovil McEnzie??
Jeffries has stated he will fight at light heavy, prospects generally fight slightly above that weight.

Jeffries wants to fight at SMW i'm sure, he weighed in at 169 in his last fight, doubt hes looking to be a LHW

[kosaros]

Ovil McKenzie is technically Jamaican, otherwise he would have been in the list.

[kosaros]

Any ideas of who I should replace Jeffries with? I was going to go with Travis Dickinson.

[bored]

I'll just say Francis should be in there although I do question his chin at the weight. Enzo Mac is retired now isn't he?

Not going to question light heavy.

[antcull]

Billy Boyle :-(

Hes only lost to Clev and a 3 rounder against Oakey.....has a reasonable win over Shon Davis

[robpalmer135]

I'll just say Francis should be in there although I do question his chin at the weight. Enzo Mac is retired now isn't he?

Not going to question light heavy.

Francis and Enzo are both cinsidering retirement. I would have both ranked at heavy, and Enzo should still be ahead of Nortan.

regarding Ovil McEnzie....He is eligable to figth for the British Title and he is based in Derby. I am sure we will have Choi at the very least 2nd on the featherweight list, so Ovil should be in at light heavy, i say 1 behind Oakey, replacing Jeffries, who can still be ranked at super middle LOL

by the way this is fantastic Kosaros nice work. we should get this sorted down to Flyweight (maybe jsut have a top 5 there) and then do a top 15 worldwide each weight, and then try and keep them up to date. perhaps allow anyone thats had 1000 plus posts to be on a panal.

[kosaros]

Billy Boyle :-(

Hes only lost to Clev and a 3 rounder against Oakey.....has a reasonable win over Shon Davis

I put him in at 10, although if there are any other suggestions I will listen to them :good

[kosaros]

Francis and Enzo are both cinsidering retirement. I would have both ranked at heavy, and Enzo should still be ahead of Nortan.

regarding Ovil McEnzie....He is eligable to figth for the British Title and he is based in Derby. I am sure we will have Choi at the very least 2nd on the featherweight list, so Ovil should be in at light heavy, i say 1 behind Oakey, replacing Jeffries, who can still be ranked at super middle LOL

by the way this is fantastic Kosaros nice work. we should get this sorted down to Flyweight (maybe jsut have a top 5 there) and then do a top 15 worldwide each weight, and then try and keep them up to date. perhaps allow anyone thats had 1000 plus posts to be on a panal.

Sound like some good ideas :good

Talking of McKenzie, Choi and any other foreign fighters fighting in Britain and have citizenship here, if people agree to them being on the list I will put them in. :good

[Losfer_Words]

Are you making an attempt to get a Sticky thread, Kos?:blood I like this, it could be updated every few months and could be going strong for a while. It also generates a decent amount of debate.:good

[kosaros]

Are you making an attempt to get a Sticky thread, Kos?:blood I like this, it could be updated every few months and could be going strong for a while. It also generates a decent amount of debate.:good

I was bored, so I thought I would start doing it :good

[Paddy]

Seems fine that list Kosa not much to talk about on it. The cruiserweights will spark a real debate :lol:

sorry lads but Cowardly Sam Sexton doesnt deserve to be #1 at HW

[kosaros]

sorry lads but Cowardly Sam Sexton doesnt deserve to be #1 at HW

:lol: I was actually surprised nobody argued about Sexton being above Rogan.

[LHL]

sorry lads but Cowardly Sam Sexton doesnt deserve to be #1 at HW

He won't be come september :deal

[Losfer_Words]

:lol: I was actually surprised nobody argued about Sexton being above Rogan.

I'm not- a victory is what it goes down as in the record books- rightly or wrongly. Rogie will win the rematch and then Sexton can move where he should be:D. We have to be fair if this is going to work.

[kosaros]

Anyway, should Ovil McKenzie be in the rankings?

[Paddy]

I'm not- a victory is what it goes down as in the record books- rightly or wrongly. Rogie will win the rematch and then Sexton can move where he should be:D. We have to be fair if this is going to work.

this isnt computerised rankings mate!

Man Sexon pissed me off with what he said in the post fight press confrence claiming he wasnt out on his feet saying theres no need for a rematch ect...

then some of the stuff on his facebook after really got my goat and all his mates saying bullshit that rogan wasnt even close to knocking him out.

he did his questions while rogan was getting looked at then he finished up and was chatting to the british press down the back of the room and the minute rogan went in he bolted out the door we asked ******s representive why sam wasnt there and he said he asked him to stay but he wouldnt.

oh and for anyone who wants to dispute this I have the whole thing on mp3 for your listening pleasure :D

[LHL]

Rogan will get him back paddy :happy

[Paddy]

allow me to refresh your memories and set out my arguement for Rogan being ranked #1

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FYI if Rogan isint instated as #1 I petition that rogan is removed from your rankings as hes Irish :D:rofl:yep:yep

[Losfer_Words]

this isnt computerised rankings mate!

Man Sexon pissed me off with what he said in the post fight press confrence claiming he wasnt out on his feet saying theres no need for a rematch ect...

then some of the stuff on his facebook after really got my goat and all his mates saying bullshit that rogan wasnt even close to knocking him out.

he did his questions while rogan was getting looked at then he finished up and was chatting to the british press down the back of the room and the minute rogan went in he bolted out the door we asked ******s representive why sam wasnt there and he said he asked him to stay but he wouldnt.

oh and for anyone who wants to dispute this I have the whole thing on mp3 for your listening pleasure :D

Don't worry mate, Rogie will win the rematch and be vindicated. Also, Sexton may have acted like a cock but it's still a victory on paper. That was my point.:goodRogie finishes the job later in the year.

[Paddy]

Don't worry mate, Rogie will win the rematch and be vindicated. Also, Sexton may have acted like a cock but it's still a victory on paper. That was my point.:goodRogie finishes the job later in the year.

So you would rank Clinton Mitchell as an atg because he beat b-hop

it doesnt work like that mate

would u rank margo higher than cotto???

[Losfer_Words]

So you would rank Clinton Mitchell as an atg because he beat b-hop

it doesnt work like that mate

would u rank margo higher than cotto???

:blood When I raised a point similar to this earlier in the thread I was told that it was based on current form, that's why I think Sexton should still be above Rogan at this point in time- regardless of whether his win was justified it's still a win. It is just my opinion, though, and is just what I think of the situation if we are doing current rankings based on current resumes. I'm sure Kos will move it if he thinks I'm wrong.

[bored]

Sexton has to be above Rogan because he got the W and has the belt. However if we were an actual sanctioning body we would just order an immediate rematch, guess we can try telling htem thye will be moved down in their ESB rankings if they don't accept :D I expect they will rematch and Rogan will beat him anyway, or Rogan will just go on to beat some better guys over the next few months anyway.

[robpalmer135]

McEnzie and Choi should 100% be in.

[kosaros]

McEnzie and Choi should 100% be in.

McKenzie is in.

Will do the super-middles tomorrow, just to let people have a chance to voice any changes they propose making :good

[robpalmer135]

Bob Ajitsfe should be higher, hsi last fight was a win over Ovil McEnzie. Personally i would swap him with Bellew.

[LHL]

Bob Ajitsfe should be higher, hsi last fight was a win over Ovil McEnzie. Personally i would swap him with Bellew.

McKenzie is getting bigged up too much that style of fight suited him down to the ground you see him over 6 - 8 or 10 rounds, It isn't a pretty site.

[robpalmer135]

McKenzie is getting bigged up too much that style of fight suited him down to the ground you see him over 6 - 8 or 10 rounds, It isn't a pretty site.

light heavy is just a weak division.

[robpalmer135]

get up the next lot Kos

[kosaros]

Yep, will do it now :good

[Paddy]

Sexton has to be above Rogan because he got the W and has the belt. However if we were an actual sanctioning body we would just order an immediate rematch, guess we can try telling htem thye will be moved down in their ESB rankings if they don't accept :D I expect they will rematch and Rogan will beat him anyway, or Rogan will just go on to beat some better guys over the next few months anyway.

If you want to really be fair you can rank Dave Parris #1 and rogan number 2 then id have sexton down around number 7 :hey

Ive been watching the Izzy-Rafa trilogy this morning

In the first fight there was a point where Izzy ran away and turned his back for a split second then the warrior in him came to the front and he turned back around and fought on.

Cowardly Sam did no such thing he turned around into the corner then Dangerous Dave gave Rogan a warning for punching him in the nopper!

Sexton should cut his title in two and give half to Dangerous Dave!

[kosaros]

Super-middles are up. I think DeGale's place is justified because of his win against Healy, although if you think otherwise I will make the change :good

[robpalmer135]

George Groves is 100% ahead of DeGale. Paul Samuels is a much better win than Healy, he has also been fighting 6 rounders.

I don't think you should be aloud to be ranked if you have only had 4 rounders, either way, Groves should be higher than DeGale.

[kosaros]

George Groves is 100% ahead of DeGale. Paul Samuels is a much better win than Healy, he has also been fighting 6 rounders.

I don't think you should be aloud to be ranked if you have only had 4 rounders, either way, Groves should be higher than DeGale.

Yep, I totally forgot about Groves TBH. :lol:

Plus, I will agree to no fighters being included who have just had 4 rounders, which means it will be a simple case of switching DeGale for Groves.

[Beeston Brawler]

Updated Glass Jaw Rankings (August 2009):




























































;) Just joking.

[robpalmer135]

how can we go about making this a sticky?? try and set up a voting system for brit forum regulars who have over 1000 posts.

Kos if you want me to make a start on Fly to Super Bantam let me know, i have a decent knowledge of the lower weights. (for Fly and Super Fly i will do jsut 5). Lets get all of them up for the weekend, and have all the voting sorted for the new season in september.

ESB due the the save bunce sight is now the biggest and most respected forum, especially the brit section. if people take pundit and journo rankings seriously, our fan list should also get recognition.

[ishy]

Time to do the MW's now Kos?

Macklin
Barker
McEwan
Elcock
McDermott
Bendall
Murray
Butler
Renda?

[bored]

Why is Ovill rated at light heavy?

[Losfer_Words]

Updated Glass Jaw Rankings (August 2009):





;) Just joking.

:blood:bart

[robpalmer135]

Why is Ovill rated at light heavy?

he moved up in weight for prizefighter, he will campaign at light heavy.

kosaros have PM'd you the Fly to Super Bantam. Might be a good idea to add any title in brackets that they have.

[robpalmer135]

also i think Quigley should be above Paul Smith as Smith has beat nobody.

[ishy]

also i think Quigley should be above Paul Smith as Smith has beat nobody.

:think Good point.

[LHL]

Whens Magee Vs Quigley

[robpalmer135]

Whens Magee Vs Quigley

not happening. Quigley has been orderd to fight Smith, and Magee is mando for euro title.

[LHL]

Cheers Rob

[kosaros]

Yep, just got online - will add the ones you did Rob, cheers :good

If anyone else wants to do a division that hasn't already been done they you are free to do so :good

[rooq]

i think its been mentioned before but quigley should be ahead of smith.

his win over dodson puts him ahead of anything smith has achieved at supermiddle (even if he holds the prestigous wba inter alphabetty!)

[robpalmer135]

Kos if you finish of down to Light Welterweight, I will do up to Lightweight.

[rooq]

Time to do the MW's now Kos?

Macklin
Barker
McEwan
Elcock
McDermott
Bendall
Murray
Butler
Renda?

can't argue with that :good

[kosaros]

Kos if you finish of down to Light Welterweight, I will do up to Lightweight.

Fair enough Rob :good

[robpalmer135]

Fair enough Rob :good

will pm ya tomorow.

[kosaros]

Middleweights are up. I added McDonagh in the list, although I don't know if he is a middleweight or a light-middle because his last fight was at light-middle I think.

[rooq]

Middleweights are up. I added McDonagh in the list, although I don't know if he is a middleweight or a light-middle because his last fight was at light-middle I think.

i'd rather see howard eastman in there then someone like prince arron.

[LHL]

Eastman seems on the brink of retirement these days, also any news on him after his last fight if i remember rightly he was arrested.

[kosaros]

i'd rather see howard eastman in there then someone like prince arron.

Yeah, I was debating on putting Eastman in (looks like he resides in Guyana now?), but I will - will be higher than Arron as well :good

[rooq]

Yeah, I was debating on putting Eastman in (looks like he resides in Guyana now?), but I will - will be higher than Arron as well :good

true....but i'd keep him in until he becomes inactive and we have 10 mw's genuinely better

[PatrickP]

this isnt computerised rankings mate!

Man Sexon pissed me off with what he said in the post fight press confrence claiming he wasnt out on his feet saying theres no need for a rematch ect...

then some of the stuff on his facebook after really got my goat and all his mates saying bullshit that rogan wasnt even close to knocking him out.

he did his questions while rogan was getting looked at then he finished up and was chatting to the british press down the back of the room and the minute rogan went in he bolted out the door we asked ******s representive why sam wasnt there and he said he asked him to stay but he wouldnt.

oh and for anyone who wants to dispute this I have the whole thing on mp3 for your listening pleasure :D

Where can I hear the mp3 of the press conference Paddy?

[rooq]

as much as i can't stand him, right now haskins is above broadhurst. hopefully they'll fight each other this year and don will take the top spot

[robpalmer135]

hey Kosaros have jsut PM'd you the Feathers to Lightweights.

[kosaros]

Rob's lists have been added and the light-middles :good

[robpalmer135]

nice. you up for worldwide top 15 next week?

[LHL]

I would move Limmond up a few and Arthur down a few. Arthur hasn't done enough at lightweight

[kosaros]

nice. you up for worldwide top 15 next week?

Yep we can do that, plus I was going to do a Brit P4P top 15 as well.

All divisions done now, thanks Rob for doing the bottom half :good

[ishy]

Great job Kos and Rob :good

One thing Kos, should McCloskey rank above Ajose?

McCloskey's win over Lynes, who's just lost by SD for the Euro title, trumps anything Ajose has done in the past two years IMO.

[Losfer_Words]

Shit, I've not looked at this in like a day and all of a sudden it's done! Lee Haskins not ESB champ?:blood It's justified I suppose. Kos, any plans for doing an all time Brit Rankings in this thread as well? If it's to succeed in becoming a Sticky then you might as well put it on here as well rather than another thread.:think:yep

Also, I know he's been God awful in his last two in the latter rounds (the last at LWW I'll point out) but should still Thaxton be above Castle at 135?

[kosaros]

Great job Kos and Rob :good

One thing Kos, should McCloskey rank above Ajose?

McCloskey's win over Lynes, who's just lost by SD for the Euro title, trumps anything Ajose has done in the past two years IMO.

Sure, I will change it. It was a close-run thing between them anyway.

Shit, I've not looked at this in like a day and all of a sudden it's done! Lee Haskins not ESB champ?:blood It's justified I suppose. Kos, any plans for doing an all time Brit Rankings in this thread as well? If it's to succeed in becoming a Sticky then you might as well put it on here as well rather than another thread.:think:yep

Also, I know he's been God awful in his last two in the latter rounds (the last at LWW I'll point out) but should still Thaxton be above Castle at 135?

All time Brit rankings:

1. Joe Calzaghe :D

Also if someone agrees with you about Thaxton then I will change it (although if Castle wins/loses his upcoming fight then the ranking will change anyway) :good

[robpalmer135]

lets get worlds done first, then I will start a post and ask everyone to PM there top 10 british and world P4P.

i will give 10 points to number 1, 9 to nubmer 2 and so on. Add up the numbers and create the P4P lists.

After that we can look into setting up the comitee on who will decide who goes where in the rankings. Have this all in place for the new season.

[kosaros]

If we do a world rankings for every division, I think we will have to do it in a separate thread because this one may become a bit too clustered.

[robpalmer135]

If we do a world rankings for every division, I think we will have to do it in a separate thread because this one may become a bit too clustered.

I agree. How can we get both made into stickys?

You wanna do Heavy to Light Middle???

[Losfer_Words]

^^^Do it now before someone steals your thunder, Kos. 'ESB Brit Forum World Rankings'.

[kosaros]

I agree. How can we get both made into stickys?

You wanna do Heavy to Light Middle???
:good


^^^Do it now before someone steals your thunder, Kos. 'ESB Brit Forum World Rankings'.

I really don't mind if someone else creates the thread :lol:

I will set it up later today or tomorrow :good

[robpalmer135]

set it up and will PM you as usual.

i figure top 10 for Britain is good as u need to be top 10 to get a british title fight, and top 15 with a body to get a world title, so we can gague whether someone is deserving by whether they are in the ESB rankings.

[robpalmer135]

could snowinzki, perez and greenbug be considerd for heavyweight.

the other cubans lower down.

and quato at middleweight?

[kosaros]

could snowinzki, perez and greenbug be considerd for heavyweight.

the other cubans lower down.

and quato at middleweight?

I guess so, it would only be right with the likes of Choi being in currently.

[LHL]

The Cubans have only been here a year and a bit, and they are down south so they would be Irish.

[kosaros]

The Cubans have only been here a year and a bit, and they are down south so they would be Irish.

Stop trying to claim them! :lol:

I think there should be some sort of requirement - say they have to have had 10 fights in the UK to qualify for ranking.

[Losfer_Words]

Hang about, Kos, brother Hatton above Jennings?:bart Bami was a good win but a victory over a shot Tackie puts him above Jennings in the list? I suppose I'll have to wait for others to agree?:-(:patsch

[LHL]

Stop trying to claim them! :lol:

I think there should be some sort of requirement - say they have to have had 10 fights in the UK to qualify for ranking.

:rofl We claim anything that sets foot over here :lol:

But they definitely shouldn't be in the British ranking they haven't even fought in it yet :lol:

[kosaros]

Hang about, Kos, brother Hatton above Jennings?:bart Bami was a good win but a victory over a shot Tackie puts him above Jennings in the list? I suppose I'll have to wait for others to agree?:-(:patsch

Don't think that I had any joy putting him ahead!

Still if someone agrees, I will change :good

[LHL]

I agree Losfer Hatton goes down a bit

[Losfer_Words]

Yes!!!! Cheers mate!

[kosaros]

:lol:

I blame the hatred towards M Hatton.....;)

[Losfer_Words]

Also, I think Witter should be above Khan. Also, is Johanneson out due to inactivity?

[kosaros]

Also, I think Witter should be above Khan. Also, is Johanneson out due to inactivity?

Witter - can we just wait until August 1st? ;)

I haven't checked the lower weights, so I don't know if it inactivity or if Rob just missed him off by accident.

[LHL]

Carl has retired i think

[kosaros]

Carl has retired i think

Really? I didn't know that.

I just checked the list and Gomez is on it - can someone confirm for me that he has retired - last I heard he was fighting an exhibition against a tranny.

[Losfer_Words]

Witter - can we just wait until August 1st? ;)

I haven't checked the lower weights, so I don't know if it inactivity or if Rob just missed him off by accident.

Do it now, Kos. August 1st is ages away yet! There should be no dispute about it really. I know I put him lowish on my P4P rankings but I did type it quickly at the time:patsch.

Carl has retired i think

Really? The loss to Mitchell surely didn't put him off? That was my fight of last year:D.

[LHL]

Think someone had a thread on him a few days back and someone said he had retired. I think Gomez has retired to.

Also i think Limond is too low in the lightweights Kosa and Arthur is too high.

[kosaros]

Think someone had a thread on him a few days back and someone said he had retired. I think Gomez has retired to.

Also i think Limond is too low in the lightweights Kosa and Arthur is too high.

Right - I will make the changes, because I agree that Limond is too low and Arthur is slightly too high.

[kosaros]

Changes made. I included Vinny Mitchell in the super-feathers even though he has only had 4 rounders - there is a lack of depth to the division IMO.

Edit: Buckland added to lightweights, Bell falls out. Couple of other little changes. Hope Rob doesn't mind! ;)

[LHL]

Lightweight looks a lot better mate :good

[Losfer_Words]

No-one else agree that Thaxton should be above Castle for the time being?:think

[kosaros]

No-one else agree that Thaxton should be above Castle for the time being?:think

We will find out tonight :lol:

Castle vs Buckland - 1st vs 8th, changes to happen! :yep

[Losfer_Words]

Also, Appleby above Choi for the time being?

[LHL]

That Glover loss is a bad one in my opinion what he was doing fighting a welter i don't know

[LHL]

Also, Appleby above Choi for the time being?

Agree Choi needs a few fights before getting threw in that high

[Losfer_Words]

We will find out tonight :lol:

Castle vs Buckland - 1st vs 7th, changes to happen! :yep

:patschI actually forgot it was Friday! Yesterday was like Friday to me:yep:patsch:patsch.

[kosaros]

Appleby above Choi - Choi drops down 2 places.

[Losfer_Words]

Appleby above Choi - Choi drops down 2 places.

:goodThe rest of the rankings look sound though, Kos. Well done:good.

[LHL]

Nice one Kos i agree with that list besides Witter :yep :lol:

[LHL]

Oh wait Witter is where i want him

[Losfer_Words]

That Glover loss is a bad one in my opinion what he was doing fighting a welter i don't know

That said, it wasn't at 135 and that is the key point in the rankings. I really had my hopes up for the Murray-Thaxton bout but now I think Murray TKO's Thaxton late in an uncompetitive match up:-(.

[LHL]

It really should of been made soon as Jono came back to domestic scene

[kosaros]

Nice one Kos i agree with that list besides Witter :yep :lol:

:lol:

You want Witter as ESB Champ? Could happen depending on his performance against Alexander :D

Edit: I seen your other post. :yep

[Losfer_Words]

:lol:

You want Witter as ESB Champ? Could happen depending on his performance against Alexander :D

Edit: I seen your other post. :yep

Malignaggi was a bigger name at the time Hatton beat him than Alexander is now. Witter stays in Hatton's shadow for the time being, IMO, even if he wins.

[kosaros]

Malignaggi was a bigger name at the time Hatton beat him than Alexander is now. Witter stays in Hatton's shadow for the time being, IMO, even if he wins.

You don't realise, me and LHL are Witter fans :yep

[Losfer_Words]

You don't realise, me and LHL are Witter fans :yep

As am I but I can see things logically you stooge!:lol::good

[kosaros]

As am I but I can see things logically you stooge!:lol::good

I haven't let biased thoughts into my judgement yet :yep

[Losfer_Words]

I haven't let biased thoughts into my judgement yet :yep

I only did that with Haskins:blood:bart. The rankings are fair, though- mainly due to my input:lol::good.

[Losfer_Words]

Kos, you gonna start the World ones now? I'll happily do a weight division, if you want me to?

[kosaros]

Kos, you gonna start the World ones now? I'll happily do a weight division, if you want me to?

Yep I will start it up - do any division light-middle upwards, just not heavyweight you gotta leave the greatest division of them all for me! :yep

[Losfer_Words]

Yep I will start it up - do any division light-middle upwards, just not heavyweight you gotta leave the greatest division of them all for me! :yep

Listening to Bunce at the moment. I'll do 154 and 160 then. PW is a 154 fighter for the time being as well to make the list more stringent:good.

[kosaros]

Did you like my Email? :yep

[Losfer_Words]

Did you like my Email? :yep

You aint sent another one already?! I'm only about 10 mins in, mate, so I'll listen out. Dave Kosaros= the Bunce stalker:lol::good.

[Losfer_Words]

Kos, did you do the fighters link? It was so long ago and I'm concentrating on what's going on in this interview so I forgot who the fighters were.

[Losfer_Words]

154:
CHAMP- Williams
1-Forest
2-Martinez
3-Spinks
4-Dzinziruk
5-Cintron
6-Moore
7-Mora
8-Small
9-Latimore
10-Angulo

Thoughts? Stinker or not?
Kirkland is going to jail so I don't know if he should be in. Thoughts?

[kosaros]

Looks good from here - maybe Small is a bit high, but I know the division is a weak one and I don't know it too well TBH.

BTW I am doing the Brit p4p list now (just want to get it done before I set up this world thread), so can I ask for a couple of people to give me their top 10 please. Losfer I got yours :good

[Losfer_Words]

Looks good from here - maybe Small is a bit high, but I know the division is a weak one and I don't know it too well TBH.

BTW I am doing the Brit p4p list now (just want to get it done before I set up this world thread), so can I ask for a couple of people to give me their top 10 please. Losfer I got yours :good

Can I do mine again please? I'm still ashamed about the Murray ommission!:patsch

[kosaros]

Can I do mine again please? I'm still ashamed about the Murray ommission!:patsch

Go ahead.

[Losfer_Words]

Where's the original thread, Kos? Saves me starting from scratch again.

Cheers, here it is:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[kosaros]

Its about 5 pgs back I think :good

I will link it if you can't find it.

[ishy]

Lynes should be above Theophane. Even though Lynes has lost his last 2 he's been fighting at a much better level than Theophane who's been fighting journeyman types, Theophane only has win over a much faded Chop Chop Corley.

[Losfer_Words]

Craig's British P4P:

CHAMP: Haye
1-Froch
2-Hatton
3-Witter
4-Khan
5-Woods
6-Moore
7-Brook
8-Cleverly
9-Murray
10-Mitchell

[kosaros]

Lynes should be above Theophane. Even though Lynes has lost his last 2 he's been fighting at a much better level than Theophane who's been fighting journeyman types, Theophane only has win over a much faded Chop Chop Corley.

Change made. :good

[kosaros]

Craig's British P4P:

CHAMP: Haye
1-Froch
2-Hatton
3-Witter
4-Khan
5-Woods
6-Moore
7-Brook
8-Cleverly
9-Murray
10-Mitchell

Witter's went up a bit :lol:;)

[Losfer_Words]

Witter's went up a bit :lol:;)

I know:patsch- look back at the original thread, I did say I made a mistake and would change it if I didn't edit it on principle:bart:good.

After all, Kos, we can all take advantage of the edit tool:nono (cough, AIDS, cough;):good).

[ishy]

I've PM'd you my P4P list Kos :good

[kosaros]

I've PM'd you my P4P list Kos :good

Cheers :good

[Dan684]

Mine is the best list :deal

[Losfer_Words]

Mine is the best list :deal

How can it possibly be better than mine, Dan? Also, check one page back and see if you agree with my 154 rankings as we're doing world ones next.:good

[kosaros]

Mine is the best list :deal

It really isn't :lol:

Just joking. :good

However I did take Dunne out of it because he technically isn't British (no matter how much we would want him).

[ishy]

Are we counting Ola then?

[kosaros]

Are we counting Ola then?

Yeah, I have counted Ola in it :good

BTW you ranked him higher than anyone else so far.

[Losfer_Words]

Are we counting Ola then?

He's got a British passport. Lennox is ours and so is Afolabi:blood:good. We're claiming Choi too.

[GPater11093]

1. Haye
2. Froch
3. Khan
4. Hatton
5. Witter
6. Moore
7. Mitchell
8. Woods
9. Cleverly
10. Macklin

[kosaros]

Just waiting on a couple more, although if someone a top 10 Brit fighters list then just post it on here or PM me :good

From a glance, it looks like Haye and Froch will claim the number 1 and 2 spots.

Edit: Cheers Greg :good

[Losfer_Words]

Just noticed there are 2 number 10s at HW.

[Losfer_Words]

Just waiting on a couple more, although if someone a top 10 Brit fighters list then just post it on here or PM me :good

From a glance, it looks like Haye and Froch will claim the number 1 and 2 spots.

Edit: Cheers Greg :good

You might as well use this as well, Kos:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[kosaros]

Yep, I used that thread already :good

[GPater11093]

Im not too good at rankings Kos

thats my hastely thrown together one, my top 10 of all time Brits is alot better

[Dan684]

nah not having Ola In my eyes coz he's not on my list !!

[Losfer_Words]

This is awesome. It's gotta be a Sticky.

[ishy]

These are the rankings I sent to Kosaros:


1. Froch (on top due to Haye's inactivity)
2. Haye
3. Hatton
4. Khan
5. Witter (goes above Khan if he beats Alexander)
6. Afolabi (if he counts)
7. Moore
8. Woods (would go above Afolabi if he beats Cloud)
9. Brook
10.Munroe

Push everyone up a spot and Murray in at 10 if we're not including Ola

[LHL]

I forgot Ola :think

[kosaros]

If Dan posts his list, it would certainly be the most controversial! :lol:

[GPater11093]

heres my updated one

1. Joe Calzaghe

2. the rest dont matter

[kosaros]

I forgot Ola :think

Just name a position on your list and I will change it for you if you want :good

[Dan684]

heres my updated one

1. Joe Calzaghe

2. the rest dont matter

Fuck Calzaghe.......he's dead to me

[Losfer_Words]

heres my updated one

1. Joe Calzaghe

2. the rest dont matter

:lol::lol::lol:

[GPater11093]

Fuck Calzaghe.......he's dead to me

Calzaghe

Heeessss aaaaliiivveeee

[LHL]

in below Khan mate :good

[Losfer_Words]

Craig's British P4P:

CHAMP: Haye
1-Froch
2-Hatton
3-Witter
4-Khan
5-Woods
6-Moore
7-Brook
8-Cleverly
9-Murray
10-Mitchell

If we're just doing a straight up 10 then I'll take Mitchell off of my list and re-number the rest 1-10:good.

[Dan684]

If Dan posts his list, it would certainly be the most controversial! :lol:

WTF ? Mines blatantly better than any out there.

1. David Haye
2. Carl Froch
3. Amir Khan
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Kell Brook
6. Jamie Moore
7. Michael Jennings
8. Rendall Munroe
9. Anthony Small
10. Matthew Hall

Still think if Hall din't get frustrated he'd beat small.....but he did and didn't so Small goes above him IMO

Also If I cannot have Dunne I'll do straight swap with Moore (forgot him)

[GPater11093]

sorry heres a better one

1. Froch
2. Haye
3. Paterson
4. Khan
5. Witter (goes above Khan if he beats Alexander)
6. Afolabi
7. Moore
8. Woods
9. Brook
10.Munroe

[kosaros]

WTF ? Mines blatantly better than any out there.

1. David Haye
2. Carl Froch
3. Amir Khan
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Kell Brook
6. Jamie Moore
7. Michael Jennings
8. Rendall Munroe
9. Anthony Small
10. Matthew Hall

Still think if Hall din't get frustrated he'd beat small.....but he did and didn't so Small goes above him IMO

Also If I cannot have Dunne I'll do straight swap with Moore (forgot him)

I actually did swap Dunne for Moore! :lol:

[kosaros]

sorry heres a better one

1. Froch
2. Haye
3. Paterson
4. Khan
5. Witter (goes above Khan if he beats Alexander)
6. Afolabi
7. Moore
8. Woods
9. Brook
10.Munroe

:lol:

Who have you got in 10th place, amateurs are not allowed :yep

[Losfer_Words]

WTF ? Mines blatantly better than any out there.

1. David Haye
2. Carl Froch
3. Amir Khan
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Kell Brook
6. Jamie Moore
7. Michael Jennings
8. Rendall Munroe
9. Anthony Small
10. Matthew Hall

Still think if Hall din't get frustrated he'd beat small.....but he did and didn't so Small goes above him IMO

Also If I cannot have Dunne I'll do straight swap with Moore (forgot him)

No Clinton Woods?:blood:bart

[Losfer_Words]

:lol:

Who have you got in 10th place, amateurs are not allowed :yep

Shit, I forgot Pater!;):yep

[GPater11093]

:lol:

Who have you got in 10th place, amateurs are not allowed :yep

i just copy and pasted the only list on the page -Ishys- and added my name its not my proper one

but a good list none the less

[GPater11093]

Shit, I forgot Pater!;):yep

better add me in at the top then

[kosaros]

i just copy and pasted the only list on the page -Ishys- and added my name its not my proper one

but a good list none the less

Ah ok, I thought you were changing :good

[Dan684]

No Clinton Woods?:blood:bart

no he has to reddem himslef. If he wins he climbs in and above a few places, but the others have had better recent performances

And I do like woods

[GPater11093]

Ah ok, I thought you were changing :good

Nope.

We have to do a Brit OAT next

[Beeston Brawler]

British ATG top 10......

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Ken Buchanan
5. Ted Lewis
6. Jim Driscoll
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. John Conteh
9. Ricky Hatton
10. Lloyd Honeyghan

[Losfer_Words]

Although, obviously, we think our individual lists are best (mainly mine of course) who are we in agreement with now we have a list of names that we have all come up with?

[Dan684]

British ATG top 10......

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Ken Buchanan
5. Ted Lewis
6. Jim Driscoll
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. John Conteh
9. Ricky Hatton
10. Lloyd Honeyghan

TROLL :-)

Although, obviously, we think our individual lists are best (mainly mine of course) who are we in agreement with now we have a list of names that we have all come up with?

Erm I'm pretty sure I told you all mine was the best ?:huh

[Losfer_Words]

Nope.

We have to do a Brit OAT next

British ATG top 10......

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Ken Buchanan
5. Ted Lewis
6. Jim Driscoll
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. John Conteh
9. Ricky Hatton
10. Lloyd Honeyghan

One thing at a time, boys! Kos is trying to take all of this in:shock::?! It's Brit P4P then the world rankings afterwards.:good

[GPater11093]

British ATG top 10......

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Ken Buchanan
5. Ted Lewis
6. Jim Driscoll
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. John Conteh
9. Ricky Hatton
10. Lloyd Honeyghan

Good list

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Ken Buchanan
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
5. Jim Driscoll
6. Freddie Welsh
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Benny Lynch
9. Jackie 'Kid' Berg
10. Howard Winstone

just off my hea just now changes every few days haha

Although, obviously, we think our individual lists are best (mainly mine of course) who are we in agreement with now we have a list of names that we have all come up with?

theres a good few anmes

[kosaros]

Provisional list (I still want to get a couple more opinions in):

1. Haye
2. Froch
3. Khan
4. Hatton
5. Witter
6. Moore
7. Woods
8. Brook
9. Mitchell
10. Cleverly
11. Afolabi
12. Munroe
13. Murray
14. Small
15. Jennings

Khan and Hatton are both really close atm - obviously the bottom 5 are also very close. Also how is Rhodes not in the top 15? :lol:;)

[Losfer_Words]

Let's start off simple then- Hatton should be above Khan. Who agrees/ doesn't?

[kosaros]

Good list

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Ken Buchanan
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
5. Jim Driscoll
6. Freddie Welsh
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Benny Lynch
9. Jackie 'Kid' Berg
10. Howard Winstone

just off my hea just now changes every few days haha

Naz? Calzaghe? Lewis at 7? Your neglecting modern day fighters!

[Beeston Brawler]

I like your list as well.

I tend to favour old timers a lot less than most people when ranking participants in most sports - I have consistently said Jason Robinson is the greatest rugby player I have ever seen (not of all time), having followed his career from start to finish, and having seen him in action probably 100 times live, when others look to Neil Fox, Gareth Edwards etc.

Because old time fighters were in there every few weeks, and fought on overseas tours.... plenty of those may have been 'exhibition' bouts, with not a great deal of meaning.

Just my take on it :good

[kosaros]

Let's start off simple then- Hatton should be above Khan. Who agrees/ doesn't?

Its just a provisional - changes will happen. :good

[GPater11093]

Naz? Calzaghe? Lewis at 7? Your neglecting modern day fighters!

sorry i really dont think Naz or Calzaghe has the resume to compete with the big boys.

Also Lewis dosent impress me hes normally higher but i dont think Heavyweights are that good any more

[Losfer_Words]

Provisional list (I still want to get a couple more opinions in):

1. Haye
2. Froch
3. Khan
4. Hatton
5. Witter
6. Moore
7. Woods
8. Brook
9. Mitchell
10. Cleverly
11. Afolabi
12. Munroe
13. Murray
14. Small
15. Jennings

Khan and Hatton are both really close atm - obviously the bottom 5 are also very close. Also how is Rhodes not in the top 15? :lol:;)

Don't worry about the order just yet, what if we all highlight some we'd kick out? Then we can start thinning it out...

[Dan684]

No i dont agree. Khan has just won a world title. Hatton's just lost his. Khan is improving all the time. hatton's getting worse. Khan has the best coach, Hatton has Lee Beard

Khan is world champ and going places

Sadly for Hatton he WAS world champ and doesn't seem to be progressing

[GPater11093]

I like your list as well.

I tend to favour old timers a lot less than most people when ranking participants in most sports - I have consistently said Jason Robinson is the greatest rugby player I have ever seen (not of all time), having followed his career from start to finish, and having seen him in action probably 100 times live, when others look to Neil Fox, Gareth Edwards etc.

Because old time fighters were in there every few weeks, and fought on overseas tours.... plenty of those may have been 'exhibition' bouts, with not a great deal of meaning.

Just my take on it :good

my list changes, the old timers i think hav ethe better wins etc.. and H2H ability

[kosaros]

Don't worry about the order just yet, what if we all highlight some we'd kick out? Then we can start thinning it out...

I am doing a top 15 - there were only 18 fighters voted for.

Those not in it were; Rhodes, Macklin and Hall.

[Losfer_Words]

No i dont agree. Khan has just won a world title. Hatton's just lost his. Khan is improving all the time. hatton's getting worse. Khan has the best coach, Hatton has Lee Beard

Khan is world champ and going places

Sadly for Hatton he WAS world champ and doesn't seem to be progressing

All valid points, Dan, but surely you can't deny that at the moment (not in terms of potential) Hatton has the better CV?

[Losfer_Words]

I am doing a top 15 - there were only 18 fighters voted for.

Those not in it were; Rhodes, Macklin and Hall.

Makes it a bit easier and simpler then thank God. OK, all good:good

[Dan684]

All valid points, Dan, but surely you can't deny that at the moment (not in terms of potential) Hatton has the better CV?

Yeah he does but the stand out 2 knocked him out. Not hating on Hatton here coz in his day I loved him.

But there's plenty out there with better resumes who are on the decline. they do not get p4p status on resume unless its recent IMO

[Dan684]

Off to work. See you in 30 :-)

[Beeston Brawler]

my list changes, the old timers i think hav ethe better wins etc.. and H2H ability

I cannot think of many British fighters (none actually) better H2H than Lennox Lewis.

Part of the reason that I have him at #1. His resume pisses on any British fighter of the alphabet era as well.

[Losfer_Words]

Yeah he does but the stand out 2 knocked him out. Not hating on Hatton here coz in his day I loved him.

But there's plenty out there with better resumes who are on the decline. they do not get p4p status on resume unless its recent IMO

Again, I do agree but if it were on potential alone we may as well just put the prospects in. Thats an idea, Kos- top ten P4P British prospects with less than 15 fights or so!:thinkThoughts...

[GPater11093]

I cannot think of many British fighters (none actually) better H2H than Lennox Lewis.

Part of the reason that I have him at #1. His resume pisses on any British fighter of the alphabet era as well.

Jimmy Wilde is better H2H definitly

[kosaros]

Yep, I was going to do a prospects list :good

[Losfer_Words]

Yep, I was going to do a prospects list :good

Bastard, you're thinking for me!:patsch:good

[kosaros]

Bastard, you're thinking for me!:patsch:good

:lol: You actually reminded me - I actually forgot about doing it.

[Beeston Brawler]

Jimmy Wilde is better H2H definitly

Based on limited information (and footage) available.

I'm not disagreeing with you.... just playing devil's advocate - again!

[Losfer_Words]

:lol: You actually reminded me - I actually forgot about doing it.

Sure you did;):bart. I'm not discussing my time machine theory on here just incase you get any more ideas off of Kanye:-(:lol::good.

[kosaros]

Should I start a thread for the Brit top 15? - just so I can gain more responses, because not everyone visits this thread.

[Losfer_Words]

Should I start a thread for the Brit top 15? - just so I can gain more responses, because not everyone visits this thread.

No! Put it on here above the HW's- better chance of becoming a Sticky if it's the rankings HQ.

[GPater11093]

Based on limited information (and footage) available.

I'm not disagreeing with you.... just playing devil's advocate - again!

Based on footage and reports

Maybe i am being harsh on Lennox but im underrating him because of the HW division rather than him.