how did you see holyfeilds controversial fights?

[good right hand]

last night i rewatched holyfeild vs mercer and i have to be honest. i thought mercer won. he delivered hard straight punches that where able to physically bother holyfeild while holyfeild dident pull the trigger as much as a holyfeild fan wish he did. holyfeild was very effective when he swarmed with his hooks but i think that heart murmur was bothering him. i had mercer winning by two rounds.

another interesting thing that i watched was how the entire cast (bert, brian, atlas, moorer) of the ringside for holyfeild where in agreement that holyfeild my have lost the decision in the second lewis fight to make up for the first fight as a draw. thats amazing since the second fight to me dident look like a clear decision for holyfeild and i actually had lewis edging the fight very slightly.

who won the holyfield controversial fights

holyfeild-moorer 1
holyfield-lewis 1
holyfeild-lewis 2
holyfeild-mercer
holyfeild-ruiz 1
holyfeild-ruiz 2
holyfeild-ruiz 3
holyfeild-holmes
holyfeild-oquendo
holyfeild-valuev
holyfeild-quawi 1

[jaffay]

fights that I saw recently:

holyfeild-moorer 1 - Holyfield won by 1 point on my card, but I can see it going either way
holyfield-lewis 1 - Holyfield lost clearly, one of the biggest robberies ever
holyfeild-lewis 2 - Holyfield lost clearly but was competitive

[lefthook31]

The fight with Mercer was close, but I think the knockdown sealed the deal for Evander. Mercer was a good fighter in his time, just very inconsistent. He could look great against some guys and then lose to Jesse Ferguson.

[kmcc505]

holyfeild-moorer 1
holyfield-lewis 1
holyfeild-lewis 2 - DRAW
holyfeild-mercer
holyfeild-ruiz 1
holyfeild-ruiz 2
holyfeild-ruiz 3
holyfeild-holmes
holyfeild-oquendo
holyfeild-valuev
holyfeild-quawi 1

[AnthonyJ74]

Holyfield/Holmes was no contest. Holmes was in survival mode and was simply outworked, although he had some good moments when he decided to open up and fight.
I though HOlyfield beat Mercer by a small margin.

[Thread Stealer]

last night i rewatched holyfeild vs mercer and i have to be honest. i thought mercer won. he delivered hard straight punches that where able to physically bother holyfeild while holyfeild dident pull the trigger as much as a holyfeild fan wish he did. holyfeild was very effective when he swarmed with his hooks but i think that heart murmur was bothering him. i had mercer winning by two rounds.

another interesting thing that i watched was how the entire cast (bert, brian, atlas, moorer) of the ringside for holyfeild where in agreement that holyfeild my have lost the decision in the second lewis fight to make up for the first fight as a draw. thats amazing since the second fight to me dident look like a clear decision for holyfeild and i actually had lewis edging the fight very slightly.

who won the holyfield controversial fights

holyfeild-moorer 1
holyfield-lewis 1
holyfeild-lewis 2
holyfeild-mercer
holyfeild-ruiz 1
holyfeild-ruiz 2
holyfeild-ruiz 3
holyfeild-holmes
holyfeild-oquendo
holyfeild-valuev
holyfeild-quawi 1

Moorer deserved the win over Holyfield, by a couple points on my card. He controlled much of the fight with his jab. Lewis deserved both fights, the first 117-111 and the rematch 115-113 on my cards. Holyfield beat Mercer, I think I had it 97-92. The commentators kept talking about Ruiz getting robbed the first time around, but I thought the decision was fair as I had Holyfield narrowly ahead. Ruiz deserved the decision in the rematch (although he was trying to act his way to a DQ win in the 10th). I never bothered to score the rubber match. Everyone said Holyfield deserved it, and I just take them at their word. I have no desire to sit through that bout again.

Holyfield beat Valuev handily on my card.

I also had the rematch with Bowe a draw. I thought that fight could've gone either way.

[jaffay]

fights that I saw recently:

holyfeild-moorer 1 - Holyfield won by 1 point on my card, but I can see it going either way
holyfield-lewis 1 - Holyfield lost clearly, one of the biggest robberies ever
holyfeild-lewis 2 - Holyfield lost clearly but was competitive

Forgot to add - Holy outboxed Valuev:D

[Lee Mc]

I have recently watched a Lennox Lewis career set and the Holyfield vs Valuev fight is still fresh in the memory. The others I'd have to re-watch.

In my opinion....

Holyfield vs Lewis 1 - Was a much closer fight than history remembers. I had Lewis win by two but with two level rounds. Could have easily been a draw just as my compatriot, Larry O'Connoll, scored it.

Holyfield vs Lewis 2 - A lot more one sided than the first fight with Holyfield trying to con the judges for the better part of it. Lewis wins by 4 rounds.

Holyfield vs Valuev - I thought Holyfield won by 3 but the fight was so bad I didn't really care.

[Mirko]

my opinion... I've rewatched both fights with Lewis and they are much closer then I originaly thought. I had the first fight for Lewis by 5 rounds to 3, with other rounds as a draw. Still, Lewis should have won. But the second fight is much much closer and far closer to a draw or maybe a Holyfield win than the first one. I gave it 6 round to 5 for Lewis, but some rounds could've gone in Holyfield's favour.
The fight with Valuev is just obscene. The robot couldn't land 10 punches during the whole fight and took the decision. pure robbery. I had Holyfield 119:113

p.s. i can't find the holmes fight. can somebody maybe upload the fight? (if it's not against the forum rules).

[Russell]

Believe I had the Mercer fight by one point for Holyfield.

[GPater11093]

to answer the thread question

how did you see holyfeilds controversial fights?

with my eyes

[Mendoza]

good right hand says: last night i rewatched holyfeild vs mercer and i have to be honest. i thought mercer won. he delivered hard straight punches that where able to physically bother holyfeild while holyfeild dident pull the trigger as much as a holyfeild fan wish he did. holyfeild was very effective when he swarmed with his hooks but i think that heart murmur was bothering him. i had mercer winning by two rounds.

another interesting thing that i watched was how the entire cast (bert, brian, atlas, moorer) of the ringside for holyfeild where in agreement that holyfeild my have lost the decision in the second lewis fight to make up for the first fight as a draw. thats amazing since the second fight to me dident look like a clear decision for holyfeild and i actually had lewis edging the fight very slightly.

who won the holyfield controversial fights


holyfeild-moorer 1 > Moorer
holyfield-lewis 1 > Lewis
holyfeild-lewis 2 > Lewis
holyfeild-mercer> Holyfield
holyfeild-ruiz 1 > Ruiz
holyfeild-ruiz 2 > holyfiled
holyfeild-ruiz 3 > Fell asleep
holyfeild-holmes >>Holyfield
holyfeild-oquendo >>Did not see
holyfeild-valuev >>Holyfield
holyfeild-quawi 1 >>Holyfield

[AnthonyJ74]

my opinion... I've rewatched both fights with Lewis and they are much closer then I originaly thought. I had the first fight for Lewis by 5 rounds to 3, with other rounds as a draw. Still, Lewis should have won. But the second fight is much much closer and far closer to a draw or maybe a Holyfield win than the first one. I gave it 6 round to 5 for Lewis, but some rounds could've gone in Holyfield's favour.
The fight with Valuev is just obscene. The robot couldn't land 10 punches during the whole fight and took the decision. pure robbery. I had Holyfield 119:113

p.s. i can't find the holmes fight. can somebody maybe upload the fight? (if it's not against the forum rules).

So you think Foreman's record (heavyweight champ at 45) has been unofficially broken?

[BENNY BLANCO]

The first Holyfield/Lewis fight was'nt a robbery it was a travesty as Jim Lampley greatly described it after the decision was announced.

[Mirko]

So you think Foreman's record (heavyweight champ at 45) has been unofficially broken?

well that's a very bad and sad way to put it, but yes .. unofficialy.

[DamonD]

holyfeild-moorer 1
Moorer 114-113.
The KD in the second came when Moorer was winning the round clearly, I can see the 9-9 or 10-10 argument but I stuck with 10-8 Holyfield. Moorer dominated the middle rounds, Holyfield came back in the later ones, and it came down to the last round where I think Moorer definitely won it. Holy just didn't seem as motivated and the cut caused in the fifth seemed to bother him. Having Turner as both trainer and cutman was a stupid cost-cutting move, plus I've always had suspicions Turner was not particularly good at training boxers to fight southpaws.

holyfield-lewis 1
Lewis 117-111.
Holyfield got the 3rd and 10th, and I thought his busier approach deserved him the 9th as well. Apart from that it was a clear shut-out.

holyfeild-lewis 2
Lewis 116-112.
Quiet through four rounds, opens up excitingly in the middle rounds (where Holyfield wins three of the four), before Lewis comes back with body shots and jabs. Holy rallies again in the last but it's not enough.

holyfeild-mercer
Holyfield 96-93.
Actually looked like Mercer was going to win this, Holyfield had a bad cut (even being checked by the ringside doctor), looked tired and Mercer was winning the eighth round easy with about twenty seconds to go. Then Holy got through with that left hook, Mercer took a knee, and Holyfield rallied for the win. Mercer was convinced he was robbed, as he was when he lost to Lewis (though Ray of course kept quiet about the close decisions he got the nod in ;))

holyfeild-ruiz 1
Holyfield 115-113.
Pretty crap fight, good through the first two but when Holyfield badly shook Ruiz up in the third he went straight into the jab & grab and Holyfield was awkwardly ineffective against it...yet still gave him the narrow nod. I thought the commentators got into Ruiz as the underdog too much, often crediting Ruiz for landing a shot and ignored Holy's shot landing at the same time. Czyz especially bad, at one point talking about Ruiz 'coming on with a burst of energy' when instead he was standing there getting punched. Perhaps Bobby still had some of that mysterious stuff in his eyes?

holyfeild-ruiz 2
Ruiz 114-112.
Even fight, then Holy really started turning it on the from the 8th and was battering Ruiz. Mouse under one eye, cut on the other, nose bloody. Then the doubtful low blow in the tenth, which Ruiz milked it for all it was worth and took about three minutes off to get a breather. Yet undeniably landed that short right that rocked Holy's world and dumped him to the mat in the 11th, and Holyfield was no-where after that. Clutching on, staggering about, really gone. Almost a 10-7 round. He rallied at the start of the twenth but was soon reeling about again, and what was looking like a loss became a Ruiz win instead.

holyfeild-ruiz 3
Holyfield 116-112.
Most even of the fights, which made it the dullest as it didn't have the occasional peaks (nor troughs) of the other two fights. Even fight again, but Holyfield turned up for the championship rounds wheras Ruiz didn't. I thought Holy deserved the win here.

holyfeild-holmes
Holyfield 116-112.
Holmes tried to get his rope a dope going, and actually succeeded in the second round. Then Holy got wise to it and Holmes was reduced to a neutralising and spoiling game instead. Someone once called Tyson-Bonecrusher as 'like watching a Ferrari stuck in the mud' and, while Holmes didn't hug, he did keep killing Holy's momentum which made for a bitty fight. Holyfield's workrate and aggression won it for him. The cut in the middle rounds seemed to bother Holy again and Holmes grabbed a round or two, cutman Ace Mirada doing a great job sorting that out and getting rewarded with being fired to save money not long after ;)

holyfeild-oquendo
Oquendo 114-113.
Godawful fight. Holyfield gets the early KD and then fights one punch at a time, while Oquendo has the skill but his horribly negative way of boxing usually gets the judges against him (see the Byrd and Toney fights for example). I thought he picked and pecked away at Holyfield enough to win, but it was still bad stuff.

holyfeild-valuev
Holyfield 115-113.
Seemed an outright robbery at the time, watching again it wasn't as bad. Make no mistake, it was not because Holyfield fought well, I would strongly argue his individual performance here was worse than even the Donald fight for example. But Valuev was a disgrace pure and simple, befuddled by the complex artform of Holyfield shuffling left a bit then shuffling right a bit. Holy wins nearly all the first half, Valuev nearly all the second half. Anyone seriously making use of any of the terms "looked great", "thrashing", "dominated", "clearly won" and "busy" when it comes to this fight should check in to the nearest psychiatric ward as soon as possible. Round after round being won either by a guy landing just two good punches, or a guy landing five or six weak-sauce jabs. Terrible, terrible fight.

holyfeild-quawi 1
Holyfield but can't remember my scorecard.
I thought he was busier and landed in combination better. Kinda funny in the last round to see Qawi do what Holy did to so many - look hurt, sucker them in then open up with lots of punches - but while he could hit and rock Holy he was taking more back in return. Always wondered if the 'lost twenty pounds' stuff was bullshit though.

[jaffay]

Believe I had the Mercer fight by one point for Holyfield.

I watched it today and scored it 97-92 Holyfield. Mercer was doing well in the early rounds, but KD in 8th changed the fight