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AndrewFFC
07-22-2009, 07:39 PM
I see Valuevs ability to take a shot as being the key to the outcome of the fight

Can anyone shed a little more light
onourway
07-22-2009, 07:40 PM
We'll soon find out.

Don't think he's ever fought a puncher like Haye.
TFFP
07-22-2009, 07:46 PM
He's been 'stunned' but not 'hurt'. I'd say Ruiz buzzed him, got his attention. Never really hurt in the true boxing sense where his legs have been gone and he's been close to being put down.
AndrewFFC
07-22-2009, 07:50 PM
He's been 'stunned' but not 'hurt'. I'd say Ruiz buzzed him, got his attention. Never really hurt in the true boxing sense where his legs have been gone and he's been close to being put down.

Interesting stuff, in that case do you think Haye has to outpoint Valuev by using his speed, or do you think the reach is just too big?
kosaros
07-22-2009, 07:50 PM
He has a very good chin. I have seen him stunned a couple of times, but he has shown good durability.
LHL
07-22-2009, 07:53 PM
He's been 'stunned' but not 'hurt'. I'd say Ruiz buzzed him, got his attention. Never really hurt in the true boxing sense where his legs have been gone and he's been close to being put down.

Yeah i think Chagaev also had him like that before. I think its going to take a solid beating before Valuev goes down
AndrewFFC
07-22-2009, 07:56 PM
Ive had a look at NV record and the KO's are in short supply, so it very much looks as if it will be a case of who can outbox who.
TFFP
07-22-2009, 08:04 PM
A better question would be "How hard can Valuev hit"?
Not really, its pretty obvious he's an average puncher by heavyweight standards. He kinda makes up for it by punching often, but he's never stopping a good durable fighter.

My theory is his handspeed is too slow to generate anything other than solid power. You can't get a real snap in a punch like that.
TFFP
07-22-2009, 08:14 PM
If he puts Haye on his ass I lose any hope of Haye beating the Klitschko's. It's not just a matter of punch resistance or durability, or the fact Valuev is a pretty poor puncher, but the key for him is supposed to be the relative speed difference between him and his opponents. People talk about the 'Matrix', but in all seriousness it is supposed to look like that against Valuev if he has any hope of outmaneorering a Klitschko.

He's got to show tangible evidence of this speed and boxing skill he keeps talking about, because power alone does not do shit. Plenty of people have power.
wgain
07-22-2009, 08:48 PM
In my eyes the real deal holyfield beat this Freak they call valuev so hate shouldn't haye any problems.
charliesharkey
07-23-2009, 02:17 AM
shouldnt haye be preparing to test the man's solar plexus instead of his chin?!
BURNLEYBLUE
07-23-2009, 02:37 AM
It's far from granite...Youve just got to be able to reach the fucker.
This is a graet fight for Haye imo.
Farmboxer
07-23-2009, 02:40 AM
I have never seen Valouev hurt, not one time. Who does Don King want to win this fight? Valouev can punch really hard whenever he so wants and he does not have to fear Haye's punching power. Haye is afraid for both Vitali and Vlad.
TehRileh
07-23-2009, 05:01 AM
I have never seen Valouev hurt, not one time. Who does Don King want to win this fight? Valouev can punch really hard whenever he so wants and he does not have to fear Haye's punching power. Haye is afraid for both Vitali and Vlad.

You need to watch more fights if you have never seen him hurt. If Ruiz caan stun and hurt him im sure someone with hayes predator killing instincts can hurt him.
Guy
07-23-2009, 05:05 AM
Fighting Valuev is a good move as he was Vitali's preferred opponent originally.

If Haye beats Valuev that puts him in a better bargaining position.

Valuev has enough power to keep people on the outside for sure.
Strike
07-23-2009, 05:44 AM
Not good enough to avoid getting battered and stopped by Haye. This is going to be totally one sided and Valuev will be dropped in the first 3 rounds and stopped around the 6th.

For once the jokes about the Matrix will actually seem like a fair assessment.
DamonD
07-23-2009, 07:08 AM
It seems very good so far, but I've always pointed out that he's fought almost no-one considered to be a genuine good heavyweight puncher. It's mainly been boxers, or brawlers without a lot of pop. I'd be interesting in seeing how he handles multiple shots from a good puncher.

As for never being hurt, nonsense. Barrett and Ruiz were two examples, but stronger than that is Bidenko turning his head into a speed bag for several seconds. Valuev didn't look too comfortable with that.
kurt2006
07-23-2009, 07:33 AM
Fighting Valuev is a good move as he was Vitali's preferred opponent originally.

If Haye beats Valuev that puts him in a better bargaining position.


Haye could have got to the same bargaining position by facing Peter when he was offered the chance. Instead he gave it the big talk about only wanting to face the best (the klits) and now he is fighting a circus act.

A year wasted really from the Haye camp.
barrington
07-23-2009, 11:12 AM
In my eyes the real deal holyfield beat this Freak they call valuev so hate shouldn't haye any problems.Then you dident actually watch the fight. Iam a big Holfield but he dident beat the Russian,it was not even close son.

Iam not a big fan of Valuev as a fighter either but I'll pick him to wear Haye down and KO him late on.
HeavyT
07-23-2009, 12:36 PM
I see Haye winning on points. Can't see Valuev getting put down by the fromer cruise champ.
Rangersfan1982
07-23-2009, 12:45 PM
Then you dident actually watch the fight. Iam a big Holfield but he dident beat the Russian,it was not even close son.

Iam not a big fan of Valuev as a fighter either but I'll pick him to wear Haye down and KO him late on.


You must be joking. This cunt couldn't wear any one down. His fitness levels are a disgrace for a professional boxer. Haye will dance rings round him and ko him in by the 5th.
bringitondown
07-23-2009, 12:54 PM
I see Haye winning on points. Can't see Valuev getting put down by the fromer cruise champ.

If it's in Germany then Haye has no chance of winning on points.

Haye certainly has power to stun him, it'll take a good combination to put Valuev down though. If Haye puts Valuev down then I can't see him getting back up.
Dan684
07-23-2009, 12:58 PM
Haye will not get beat on points no way !! German officials or not.
Also, Haye will not knock Valuev out.

He may stun him but will not knock him off his feet.

2 scenarios.....

1. Haye wins on points, doubtful but could happen
2. Haye hurts valuev, has him up on the ropes and throws the sink at him. Ref stops the fight. (That is how I see it going)
BURNLEYBLUE
07-23-2009, 01:14 PM
Haye gets up close and comes up the middle,the leaverage he'll get will be immense.
I see him tearin the freaks fuckin head off with a big R/upperctut L/hook.......TIIIIIMBER
2manyusernames
07-23-2009, 01:21 PM
I have never seen Valouev hurt, not one time. Who does Don King want to win this fight? Valouev can punch really hard whenever he so wants and he does not have to fear Haye's punching power. Haye is afraid for both Vitali and Vlad.

Can you imagine Valuev being K.O.'d? It would be like a tree being felled. How would they pick him up after?! If he gets K.O.'d against the ropes, he'll fall right over and land in the front row! But then like you say, he's never been hurt, so what are the chances.
Strike
07-23-2009, 02:11 PM
Mark my words, Haye stops him. He will be catching him at will and punching up which he prefers to punching down.
Looping rights will find their target and Valuev will be stopped mid rounds.
'Ben'
07-23-2009, 02:12 PM
Who knows.... nobody has been able to reach yet!
Dan684
07-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Strike I have no doubts he will but he wont knock him out. It will be stopped
HeavyT
07-23-2009, 10:52 PM
If it's in Germany then Haye has no chance of winning on points.

Haye certainly has power to stun him, it'll take a good combination to put Valuev down though. If Haye puts Valuev down then I can't see him getting back up.

not if its a clear decision, or the WBA wouldn't be happy. they investigated the Holyfield fight, and that could have gone either way.
Farmboxer
07-24-2009, 02:11 AM
Haye does not have the power to hurt Valouev, not even a little bit. It looks like Ruiz and Burstein will not allow Haye to fight Valouev anyway. Haye deserves to be left out in the cold.
barrington
07-24-2009, 03:13 PM
You must be joking. This cunt couldn't wear any one down. His fitness levels are a disgrace for a professional boxer. Haye will dance rings round him and ko him in by the 5th.Haye has very poor stamina to go with a china chin,having a seven foot two inch 24 stone monster laying on you for five or six rounds will tire any fucker out.Haye is going to get KO'ed.
destruction
07-24-2009, 03:36 PM
Valuev is a fraud that will be exposed by Haye.

Haye will KO him. I am sure of it.

Valuev has fought non punchers his entire career and non risk takers, and Haye will take risks and hurt him.

I also believe that Valuev punches like a girl.

Haye wins via brutal KO.

I am going to love to see this fight, Finally the fraud gets slayed.

Its like a fraudley moment for me.

Go haye KO KO the joke!:lol:
Mandanda
07-24-2009, 03:54 PM
Early feelings on this fight is Haye deploys similar tactics to Holyfield but stays a bit more in range. Haye gives him lateral movement the slow Valuev follows him and Haye fires hurtful combination's and rolls away to side. He will bust Valuev up in my opinion and stop him inside 10 one sided rounds and if he don't knock him out i see Valuev's corner pulling him out.

Very Confident about Haye in this as you can see :D
dwpainz
07-24-2009, 05:11 PM
the problem is by the time the punch reaches he's chin it has lost power and momentum going upwards
Guy
07-24-2009, 05:13 PM
Haye has very poor stamina to go with a china chin,having a seven foot two inch 24 stone monster laying on you for five or six rounds will tire any fucker out.Haye is going to get KO'ed.


sorry Barrington you predicted Khan was going to get ironed out by the defensive dunce Kotelnik
barrington
07-24-2009, 05:35 PM
sorry Barrington you predicted Khan was going to get ironed out by the defensive dunce Kotelnik:huhAnd???
AndrewFFC
07-24-2009, 09:22 PM
sorry Barrington you predicted Khan was going to get ironed out by the defensive dunce Kotelnik

:yep
9Ball
07-24-2009, 09:31 PM
sorry Barrington you predicted Khan was going to get ironed out by the defensive dunce Kotelnik

Sorry Guy wrong thread. However Barrington if that is true then :patsch :lol:
achillesthegreat
07-25-2009, 07:28 AM
You really don't know how you'll handle Hayes power until you do. His speed to power ratio is phenomonal and possessed by few. It's the sort of ability that can crush durable men. Jones, Haye, Judah etc can catch you and you don't see it. Not only do you not see it but it's got devastating power on the end of it.