What active fighters are ATG's in your opinion?

[KOTF]

I've got

Evander Holyfield
Roy Jones Jr.
Manny Pacquiao

and I'm sure I'm missing some others.

[djm]

Lots I don't like about him, but Floyd qualifies.

Shane is a close but clear call (in), but Hopkins is a gimme (not a gimmie as to whether he's still active, though).

Wlad has a shot, but not there yet. Can be done, though.

[jaffay]

Juan Manuel Marquez

[snell]

Juan Manuel Marquez


:patsch:patsch:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Thread Stealer]

Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Evander Holyfield

Are Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales considered "active"? I haven't heard anything regarding Barrera's future, and Morales is supposed to come back, but I think his return got delayed. You can add Shane Mosley and Juan Manuel Marquez if you'd like. The term "ATG" is pretty subjective.

[BoppaZoo]

Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Evander Holyfield

Are Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales considered "active"? I haven't heard anything regarding Barrera's future, and Morales is supposed to come back, but I think his return got delayed. You can add Shane Mosley and Juan Manuel Marquez if you'd like. The term "ATG" is pretty subjective.Thats the list.

Perfect.

[McGrain]

It's not what the thread starter asked for, but i'm going to stick my neck out and guess Hozumi Hasegawa will make it...

[fists of fury]

Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Evander Holyfield

Are Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales considered "active"? I haven't heard anything regarding Barrera's future, and Morales is supposed to come back, but I think his return got delayed. You can add Shane Mosley and Juan Manuel Marquez if you'd like. The term "ATG" is pretty subjective.

Good list.

Barrera is still active, kind of. Right at the end of his career though. Morales is rumoured to be planning a comeback, which is rather pointless in my eyes.

[lefthook31]

I believe Miguel Cotto should and will be added to that list in his next fight.

[DINAMITA]

Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Evander Holyfield

Are Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales considered "active"? I haven't heard anything regarding Barrera's future, and Morales is supposed to come back, but I think his return got delayed. You can add Shane Mosley and Juan Manuel Marquez if you'd like. The term "ATG" is pretty subjective.

I would add JMM and Mosley, and this is the list.

[Russell]

Good list.

Barrera is still active, kind of. Right at the end of his career though. Morales is rumoured to be planning a comeback, which is rather pointless in my eyes.

Barrera has quite a few fights left in his King contract doesn't he?

[cotto20]

evander holyfield
roy jones jr
bernard hopkins
floyd mayweather jr
manny pac man
barrera
marquez

[mr. magoo]

A tad premature perhaps, but depending on how he finishes his career, Wladimir Klitschko might be a candidate.

[Addie]

Marco Antonio Barrera
Roy Jones Junior
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Evander Holyfield.
Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[KOTF]

What about Toney

[mr. magoo]

What about Toney

Excellent pick.

Toney is defenately an all time great, and has been underrated in recent years.

[fists of fury]

That's true...I totally forgot about Toney. Old-school fighter.

[fists of fury]

Barrera has quite a few fights left in his King contract doesn't he?

To be honest, I don't know.

[Addie]

Riddick Bowe :lol:

[fists of fury]

No!!

Did anyone watch his last fight? :-( Sad...just sad.

[Addie]

No!!

Did anyone watch his last fight? :-( Sad...just sad.

I have it on DVD.

Pretty much what you would expect. A grossly overweight shot to pieces Riddick Bowe beating on an absolute can.

[barrykil1980]

Floyd Mayweather,
probably Shane Mosley.
M A Barrera

[DINAMITA]

What about Toney

I know that technically they are, but I just can't count guys like Toney, Holyfield and Barrera as still active, they are walking corpses.

Yes, for me Barrera and Toney are greats.

[Robbi]

I know that technically they are, but I just can't count guys like Toney, Holyfield and Barrera as still active, they are walking corpses.

Yes, for me Barrera and Toney are greats.

A bit like the zombies in the Michael Jackson 'Thriller' video. :good

[PbP Bacon]

Well...

Holyfield is already an ATG . In his case keeping fighting just hurts his legacy :-(

Pacquiao is almost there. A couple of succesful defenses against worthy challengers and that's it.

Gayweather :twisted: Yep, Gayweather could be considered ATG material too, but he still have to prove it with a successful comeback and fight some decent opposition

Barrera, Hopkins and Toney are also solid picks

[Addie]

Well...

Holyfield is already an ATG . In his case keeping fighting just hurts his legacy :-(

Pacquiao is almost there. A couple of succesful defenses against worthy challengers and that's it.

Gayweather :twisted: Yep, Gayweather could be considered ATG material too, but he still have to prove it with a successful comeback and fight some decent opposition

Barrera, Hopkins and Toney are also solid picks

I think everybody you just mentioned are locks.

[PbP Bacon]

I think everybody you just mentioned are locks.


... even Gayweather? :|

[Addie]

... even Gayweather? :|

It's not so much the opposition he beat, but how he beat them that is more impressive to me. His domination of Corrales, who was undefeated and knocking everybody out, is certainly one of the very best performances of the last 10 years. Likewise, he was just a Super Featherweight, but he successfully went up and beat one of the best Lightweights in the world, and beat a very game and still able fighter in Oscar De La Hoya up at 154lb. He still has to prove himself as a Welterweight, but the guy has some notable wins, and even better performances. He is an all-time great, in my view.

He gets there based on his skills, consistancy, and his ability to perform at multiple weights.

[PbP Bacon]

It's not so much the opposition he beat, but how he beat them that is more impressive to me. His domination of Corrales, who was undefeated and knocking everybody out, is certainly one of the very best performances of the last 10 years. Likewise, he was just a Super Featherweight, but he successfully went up and beat one of the best Lightweights in the world, and beat a very game and still able fighter in Oscar De La Hoya up at 154lb. He still has to prove himself as a Welterweight, but the guy has some notable wins, and even better performances. He is an all-time great, in my view.


I don't doubt Gayweather skills, but I think that he is not an ATG yet.

He still have to prove that he has the courage and spirit to comeback and put his precious "undefeated record" in the line :deal

[Addie]

I don't doubt Gayweather skills, but I think that he is not an ATG yet.

He still have to prove that he has the courage and spirit to comeback and put his precious "undefeated record" in the line :deal

I felt he dealt with adversity pretty well against Castillo, and even if many do think he lost the first fight, he avenged the defeat like a champion does. Not sure if we should penalize a fighter for being dominant.

[PbP Bacon]

I felt he dealt with adversity pretty well against Castillo, and even if many do think he lost the first fight, he avenged the defeat like a champion does. Not sure if we should penalize a fighter for being dominant.


Point taken.

I mean comeback from retirement, not comeback in a fight :D

[ripcity]

Jones Jr.
Mayweather Jr.
Pacquaio
Barrera
Hopkins
J.M. Marquez
Mosley

[Addie]

Point taken.

I mean comeback from retirement, not comeback in a fight :D

I guess his stock would seriously go down if he was to lose to a Super Featherweight, but should everything he already achieved be undone?

I still think he'll go down as an all-time great even if he loses. I'm not necessarily talking top 50, but he is a lock for top 100. Easily.

[mgdb26]

What about Winky Wright? I know it's a stretch but I consider him as high as I consider James Toney.

[ripcity]

Toney
Holyfield

[TIGEREDGE]

I believe Miguel Cotto should and will be added to that list in his next fight.

beating a lightweight (at best) wont cut the mustard. he will have to beat mayweather or another star or 2 around his weight to claim tht title

[Bill Butcher]

Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones
Evander Holyfield

Are Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales considered "active"? I haven't heard anything regarding Barrera's future, and Morales is supposed to come back, but I think his return got delayed. You can add Shane Mosley and Juan Manuel Marquez if you'd like. The term "ATG" is pretty subjective.

Good list.... & if Morales & Barrera are still considered active then they easily make that list, great fighters.

[janitor]

The bar will fall a lot lower than you guys think.

Pacquiao, Hopkins, Mayweather, Jones, Holyfield, Mosley are not future greats they are future legends.

Fifty years from now people will obses about them on sites like this just like we talk about Willlie Pep or Archie Moore.

Jersey Joe Walcott was not regarded as a great fighter in his day and perhaps not a proper world class fighter in some parts. Today he is a point of contention in many of our threads. I don't doubt that fighters like Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson will develop similar followings among future fans.

[biglads]

No Sam Peter?

Whatever nex? :rasta

[fists of fury]

What about Winky Wright? I know it's a stretch but I consider him as high as I consider James Toney.

Interesting choice...I really don't know about this one. Anyone?

[fists of fury]

I don't doubt that fighters like Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson will develop similar followings among future fans.

Uh no, not for me. Solid contender types that will only be remembered by the hardcore fans in 30-40 years.

[PowerPuncher]

Paul Williams
Chad Dawson
Joan Guzman
Dirrell
David Haye
Amir Khan
Gamboa
JuanMa
Bradley

At least 4 of those will become ATGs imo

[DINAMITA]

What about Winky Wright? I know it's a stretch but I consider him as high as I consider James Toney.

I really like Winky, but he is not on the same level as Toney IMO. Toney has a stronger, deeper resume, greater longevity and achievements, and in his middleweight prime Toney was a better fighter all-round.

[McGrain]

Chad Dawson
Joan Guzman
David Haye
Amir Khan
Bradley



Da fuck?

[Robbi]

Da fuck?

:lol:

[DINAMITA]

I felt he dealt with adversity pretty well against Castillo, and even if many do think he lost the first fight, he avenged the defeat like a champion does. Not sure if we should penalize a fighter for being dominant.

I don't think he did deal with adversity well in the first Castillo fight. Other than round 11 when Floyd dug his heels in and fought in the pocket, I thought he lacked ideas, lacked spirit and lacked firepower. Although I scored it 115-113 JLC, it was one of those 'close but clear' fights, I genuinely can't see how a Floyd win could have been given fairly. Castillo was the better man over the 12. Dealing with adversity well would have been adapting and changing the course of the fight, but Floyd didn't manage to do that. He coped with adversity that night, because he didn't wilt and get stopped nor did he lose heart and ship rounds leading a clear UD for JLC, but I don't think his performance can be termed dealing with it well. Had he fought for the last third of the fight the way he did in round 11, using speed, skill and surprising toughness in the pocket and outfighting Castillo and been the one who deserved to edge the decision, I'd say he dealt with a difficult fight and a difficult opponent well, but running, flicking punches, and generally not having big rounds where he was clearly ahead or building towards something is just coping with adversity IMO.

He won the rematch fair and square though. It wasn't a stellar, virtuoso performance, but it was a comfortable win.

My own take on it is that Floyd just about sneaks ATG status even now, before the comeback has begun. I'm not a huge fan, but he was one of the very, very best super-featherweights ever IMO, has carried weight well through a few divisions, and on his best nights was a great fighter.

Is he overrated? Yes. The zero, the slickness, the self-produced propaganda, all of these things contribute to that. Had Floyd faced a better standard of comp above 135 (Tszyu, Mosley, Williams etc), he would either have proved to be the elite boxer his fans think he is and thus deserving of a place alongside Whitaker and Jones as the best of the last 20 years, or he could've incurred a loss or two and we would've seen what I suspect has always been true - he was a great fighter like Mosley or Toney, but not invincible when put against someone wielding physical advantages over him.

As of now, we don't know because he never secured fights with the best from 140-147. If fights with Pacquiao and Mosley happen who knows though, he could be climbing everyone's ATG rankings and a lock even in the eyes of the haters.

[elTerrible]

What about Winky Wright? I know it's a stretch but I consider him as high as I consider James Toney.

I would say absolutely. He is one of the top 154 pounders ever.

To me ATG means can they hang with the best ever in their divisions?
Winky is a tough fight for anyone 154-160

[PowerPuncher]

I don't think he did deal with adversity well in the first Castillo fight. Other than round 11 when Floyd dug his heels in and fought in the pocket, I thought he lacked ideas, lacked spirit and lacked firepower. Although I scored it 115-113 JLC, it was one of those 'close but clear' fights, I genuinely can't see how a Floyd win could have been given fairly. Castillo was the better man over the 12. Dealing with adversity well would have been adapting and changing the course of the fight, but Floyd didn't manage to do that. He coped with adversity that night, because he didn't wilt and get stopped nor did he lose heart and ship rounds leading a clear UD for JLC, but I don't think his performance can be termed dealing with it well. Had he fought for the last third of the fight the way he did in round 11, using speed, skill and surprising toughness in the pocket and outfighting Castillo and been the one who deserved to edge the decision, I'd say he dealt with a difficult fight and a difficult opponent well, but running, flicking punches, and generally not having big rounds where he was clearly ahead or building towards something is just coping with adversity IMO.

He won the rematch fair and square though. It wasn't a stellar, virtuoso performance, but it was a comfortable win.

My own take on it is that Floyd just about sneaks ATG status even now, before the comeback has begun. I'm not a huge fan, but he was one of the very, very best super-featherweights ever IMO, has carried weight well through a few divisions, and on his best nights was a great fighter.

Is he overrated? Yes. The zero, the slickness, the self-produced propaganda, all of these things contribute to that. Had Floyd faced a better standard of comp above 135 (Tszyu, Mosley, Williams etc), he would either have proved to be the elite boxer his fans think he is and thus deserving of a place alongside Whitaker and Jones as the best of the last 20 years, or he could've incurred a loss or two and we would've seen what I suspect has always been true - he was a great fighter like Mosley or Toney, but not invincible when put against someone wielding physical advantages over him.

As of now, we don't know because he never secured fights with the best from 140-147. If fights with Pacquiao and Mosley happen who knows though, he could be climbing everyone's ATG rankings and a lock even in the eyes of the haters.

Yet you didnt give round 4 to FMJ, and that was 1 of his best rounds of the fight :huhPlus you gave JLC the 10th,8th which both were good FMJ rounds (points should be taken off after a round is scored). Plus the 3rd could have gone the other way.

I don't have a problem with someone giving it to JLC but saying it was close but clear to JLC is clearly BS, his only ultra clear rounds he won were 6,7,12 because he was missing so much. As it is he was claiming to be carrying an injury and won the rematch clearly

[DINAMITA]

Yet you didnt give round 4 to FMJ, and that was 1 of his best rounds of the fight :huhPlus you gave JLC the 10th,8th which both were good FMJ rounds (points should be taken off after a round is scored). Plus the 3rd could have gone the other way.

I don't have a problem with someone giving it to JLC but saying it was close but clear to JLC is clearly BS, his only ultra clear rounds he won were 6,7,12 because he was missing so much. As it is he was claiming to be carrying an injury and won the rematch clearly

I don't think the 4th was one of his best rounds at all. The 3rd could have gone either way - and I'm sure I had it a 10-10 even though Lederman had it for Castillo, so what is your problem with that? I don't remember the 8th and 10th specifically, but I am confident and comfortable with my scoring. Unlike you, I wasn't looking for ways to award the round to a specific fighter, I was scoring it as I seen it.

This 'missing so much' thing is a fantasy you have dreamt up in your head, that wasn't the case at all. Castillo consistently did excellent bodywork all through the fight, and managed to land some eye-catching clean headshots over the course too. Although I am not an advocate of Compubox, their numbers verify this.

As I said, I had a 2-point margin of victory, close but clear. I don't see why that's such an outlandish statement unless you are biased. Many, many people thought the same, including Lederman and Merchant. Saying 'close but clear' does not imply that I thought it was a comfortable or emphatic win, but merely a deserved one. A Mayweather win was an injustice IMO, especially with those appalling scores.

Yes, he was claiming to have an injury. If the injury was bad enough, he would have quit or wouldn't have been able to fight. He fought on, punching with both hands at a high workrate, and he lost IMO. I wouldn't write the injury off nor say it was dreamt up to justify being outfought for the first time in his career, but by the same token it doesn't exonerate him completely from being outfought. And he did win the rematch, but again it doesn't detract from the fact that the zero should really be a one.

[PowerPuncher]

1. I don't think the 4th was one of his best rounds at all. The 3rd could have gone either way - and I'm sure I had it a 10-10 even though Lederman had it for Castillo, so what is your problem with that? I don't remember the 8th and 10th specifically, but I am confident and comfortable with my scoring. Unlike you, I wasn't looking for ways to award the round to a specific fighter, I was scoring it as I seen it.

This 'missing so much' thing is a fantasy you have dreamt up in your head, that wasn't the case at all. Castillo consistently did excellent bodywork all through the fight, and managed to land some eye-catching clean headshots over the course too. Although I am not an advocate of Compubox, their numbers verify this.

As I said, I had a 2-point margin of victory, close but clear. I don't see why that's such an outlandish statement unless you are biased. Many, many people thought the same, including Lederman and Merchant. Saying 'close but clear' does not imply that I thought it was a comfortable or emphatic win, but merely a deserved one. A Mayweather win was an injustice IMO, especially with those appalling scores.

2. Yes, he was claiming to have an injury. If the injury was bad enough, he would have quit or wouldn't have been able to fight. He fought on, punching with both hands at a high workrate, and he lost IMO. I wouldn't write the injury off nor say it was dreamt up to justify being outfought for the first time in his career, but by the same token it doesn't exonerate him completely from being outfought. And he did win the rematch, but again it doesn't detract from the fact that the zero should really be a one.

1. Close but clear imply's that fight is a definite 7-5 or better for JLC and there is no way it can be scored to FMJ, in FMJ-JLC 1 there were many very close swing rounds that potentially could go either way, rounds 3,5,8,10 are scored differently by many people because of their closeness. I personally thought 10 was a better FMJ round than 11 but many give that round to JLC. Many people give the first 5rounds to Mayweather and JLC himself said he needed to start earlier in the rematch.

Anyway the only way you can give it to JLC is if you give him his most of these swing rounds and his 6,7,9,12 he won clearly, actually I'm not sure about 9 I forget that round. JLC did not win or draw round 4 though, clear round for FMJ and JLC probably did better in all those swing rounds.

I don't buy the compubox because compubox is human and I think Castillo rarely landed to the head, he did get in some quality body shots, but there was allot of elbow blocking too, there wasnt many shots that didnt get a part glove or part elbow on them. FMJ landed ultra clean when he threw his

Bottom its a close fight and some people saw it for JLC some for FMJ, some had it a draw. The robbery is a myth though but the cards were off (most fights have cards that are off if we analyse)

2. Maybe it was an excuse but he was complaining about his shoulder in the corner and Roger told him to such it up and fight, plus he did switch to southpaw, which he'd never done before/after that I remember (bar Shamba Mitchell)

[Robbi]

I had Mayweather sweeping the first 5 rounds of Castilio I.

[DemolitionDan]

ATG for sure:
Bernard Hopkins (If he is considered active)
Marco A. Barrera (^)
Erik Morales (^)
Rafael Marquez (^)
Israel Vazquez (^)
Evander Holyfield (^)
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez

Probably not quite an ATG:
Ricky Hatton
Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Vernon Forrest
Winky Wright
Jose Luis Castillo
Chris John

Too soon to tell:
Miguel Cotto
Kelly Pavlik
Super 6 tourney fighters
Andre Berto
Joshua Clottey
Amir Khan
Joesph Agbeko
Fernando Montiel
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Tomasz Adamek
etc...

[PbP Bacon]

My own take on it is that Floyd just about sneaks ATG status even now, before the comeback has begun. I'm not a huge fan, but he was one of the very, very best super-featherweights ever IMO, has carried weight well through a few divisions, and on his best nights was a great fighter.

Is he overrated? Yes. The zero, the slickness, the self-produced propaganda, all of these things contribute to that. Had Floyd faced a better standard of comp above 135 (Tszyu, Mosley, Williams etc), he would either have proved to be the elite boxer his fans think he is and thus deserving of a place alongside Whitaker and Jones as the best of the last 20 years, or he could've incurred a loss or two and we would've seen what I suspect has always been true - he was a great fighter like Mosley or Toney, but not invincible when put against someone wielding physical advantages over him.

As of now, we don't know because he never secured fights with the best from 140-147. If fights with Pacquiao and Mosley happen who knows though, he could be climbing everyone's ATG rankings and a lock even in the eyes of the haters.


WORD!!!! :good

For me Gayweather's status is still an open question. Sure he is a extremely gifted fighter, one of the best of his generation, but he still has to prove that he can deal with Pacman, Mosley, JMM, etc.

Hopefully, in one year from now we will know per sure if Gayweather is a true ATG, or just another HBO golden boy :D

[GPater11093]

Juan Manuel Marquez

:patsch:patsch:lol::lol::lol::lol:

thats a solid pick Marquez definitly deserves it

The bar will fall a lot lower than you guys think.

Pacquiao, Hopkins, Mayweather, Jones, Holyfield, Mosley are not future greats they are future legends.

Fifty years from now people will obses about them on sites like this just like we talk about Willlie Pep or Archie Moore.

Jersey Joe Walcott was not regarded as a great fighter in his day and perhaps not a proper world class fighter in some parts. Today he is a point of contention in many of our threads. I don't doubt that fighters like Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson will develop similar followings among future fans.


Great points Janitor.

Definitly the top guys will be hailed highly, like Moore and pep but maybe not as high.

The lesser fighters might have a following but they will still be lesser fights.

Walcott has a following as he was an obviously good fighter with a good skill set. I dont see Tarver getting the same respect

[keith]

I think my qualifications for ATG is probably a little more stringent than most here.

But for right now,

Roy Jones easy
Evander Holyfield solid
Floyd Mayweather solid
Manny Pacquaio on the cusp



Keith

[Thread Stealer]

WORD!!!! :good

For me Gayweather's status is still an open question. Sure he is a extremely gifted fighter, one of the best of his generation, but he still has to prove that he can deal with Pacman, Mosley, JMM, etc.

Hopefully, in one year from now we will know per sure if Gayweather is a true ATG, or just another HBO golden boy :D

I'm not sure if beating Marquez will really do much for Mayweather's ATG status. I know due to weigh-in rules and certain fighters (Mayweather) lack of weight cutting that weight class differences don't always mean the same as they used to, but still, Mayweather's been fighting welterweights and bigger since 2005 (even Hatton won a world title at 147). Marquez has been fighting featherweights, junior lightweights, and just recently, lightweights.

Pacquiao has shown he can perform at a high level at higher divisions, and Mosley's the consensus #1 WW, so I agree with those two being potential big wins for Mayweather's all-time ranking, but I don't know about Marquez really meaning much.

I suppose if it goes as predicted, Marquez will be a solid win for PBF, but no "career-definer".

[JMP]

Floyd Mayweather solid
Manny Pacquaio on the cusp


i don't now how that works. Pac's beaten better opponents and say what you want about DLH and Hatton when they fought Pac, but he beat them more impressively than Mayweather. Not to mention more titles in more weight classes.

The only thing that Mayweather has is the "0" and skill level, which is balanced out by Pacquiao's greater wins.

at the very LEAST, they're on the same level.

But didn't you say harada wasn't a top 100? :huh :huh

[MRBILL]

James Toney and the "K" brothers.............
:yep

MR.BILL

[keith]

i don't now how that works. Pac's beaten better opponents and say what you want about DLH and Hatton when they fought Pac, but he beat them more impressively than Mayweather. Not to mention more titles in more weight classes.

The only thing that Mayweather has is the "0" and skill level, which is balanced out by Pacquiao's greater wins.

at the very LEAST, they're on the same level.

But didn't you say harada wasn't a top 100? :huh :huh


I place a major emphasis on time they spend at the top of any division, and time they spend at in the pound for pound rankings. Mayweather has been at or around the top for 10 years, Pacquaio about 6 or 7.

I have Pac man spending three years at the top of the Featherweight division, 1 year at lightweight and 1 year at jr welter.

I have Mayweather with 4 years at Jr. Light, 2 at light, and 1 at welter.


If Pac man beats Cotto, and spend another year or two on top of his game, he will surpass Mayweather.

Win quality has been about equal.

And yes, both are SIGNIFCANTLY better and higher than Harada, who seems to have quite a fan club in this forum.


Keith

[PbP Bacon]

I'm not sure if beating Marquez will really do much for Mayweather's ATG status.

....

I suppose if it goes as predicted, Marquez will be a solid win for PBF, but no "career-definer".

Unless he losses :yep