Miguel Angel Cotto vs. Shane Mosley

[Superheavyweight]

Cotto SD 12

[brooklyn1550]

Cotto UD

[Zhaakal]

Mosley by decision. Maybe he'll even knock him out in the 10 or 11.

[KingBenny]

Cotto by late stoppage!!!
Mosley does'nt like to get hit to the body!

[Still~style]

definitely see this one being split either way

[Caper]

Cotto via TKO 9th or 10th

[Toopretty]

At first I was going with Cotto.....After last night..seeing Shane in tremendous shape and his neck looked like a pit bulls ....And hearing Shane compare Cotto to Vargas in which I do see similarities in stance but thats where it ends...I think Mosley may know something we dont and have his #. If Mosley is as in good of shape as he looks he is going to stop Cotto late. Shane knows the fight game and he is very confident. I do think he underrates Cottos hand speed as everyone does..his jab is good too.. I will flip flop until November

[TroubleLurks]

Shane Mosley by KO 9.

At some point Shane will catch that over exposed chin of Cotto...Mosley will hurt him and finish him.

[Tito Time]

Cotto , but barely, very tough call, very evenly matched opponents.

If PBF doesnt fight the winner he is a major coward and pussy !

I agree about the vagina comparison... Cotto UD.:deal

[41fever]

Cotto mid to late stoppage

[red cobra]

These are both good guys, both as fighters, but also as representatives of the sport of boxing. Neither one talks smack, both are respectful, and neither one puts on a "gangsta" smart mouth disrespecting, bufoonish demeanor. Cotto is one SERIOUS dude, who at least speaks English (I respect him for that) and seems to think and relect before talking. Mosely, it's impossible for me to dislike him. He has a smiling, good natured personality that makes me respect and appreciate his in the ring accomplishments that much more. In other words, boxing needs more fighters, both in terms of skills and professionalism, as well as personality to somewhat remind me of the way fighters conducted themselves back in the fifties, and elevate the game to a level where fighters displayed sportsmanship and civil manners, while at the same time participating in the most brutal, yet honorable sport there is.

[Relentless]

i have a feeling shane might take this one, but i will be rooting for cotto

[Rakim]

I'm surprised Cotto is the favourite. I pick Mosley on decision, I just think he's too quick. It's a shame though because I like Cotto.

[BigReg]

At first I was going with Cotto.....After last night..seeing Shane in tremendous shape and his neck looked like a pit bulls ....And hearing Shane compare Cotto to Vargas in which I do see similarities in stance but thats where it ends...I think Mosley may know something we dont and have his #. If Mosley is as in good of shape as he looks he is going to stop Cotto late. Shane knows the fight game and he is very confident. I do think he underrates Cottos hand speed as everyone does..his jab is good too.. I will flip flop until November

This is exactly how I feel about this fight. I was leaning towards Cotto until I saw the highlights of Mosely vs. Vargas last night. Vargas is bigger and stronger than Cotto and Shane was able to handle him twice. Cotto has made a career of completely wearing down and battering his opponents. I don't know if he can do that to Shane.

[brooklyn1550]

This is exactly how I feel about this fight. I was leaning towards Cotto until I saw the highlights of Mosely vs. Vargas last night. Vargas is bigger and stronger than Cotto and Shane was able to handle him twice. Cotto has made a career of completely wearing down and battering his opponents. I don't know if he can do that to Shane.

In all fairness, the Vargas that Mosley fought last was no where near the level Cotto is at now. Vargas was extremely slow, didn't have any snap to his punches, and wasn't attacking the body. Cotto will be a much tougher fight than Vargas.

[BigReg]

In all fairness, the Vargas that Mosley fought last was no where near the level Cotto is at now. Vargas was extremely slow, didn't have any snap to his punches, and wasn't attacking the body. Cotto will be a much tougher fight than Vargas.

Fine, DLH is bigger and stronger than Cotto and Mosely was able to handle his power too. The point I was making is that I don't know if Cotto will be able to wear down and batter Mosley like he has his other opponents. Mosley has been in there with some big, strong guys and has handled himself well. If Cotto can't overpower Mosely, it will be interesting to see what plan B is.

[kg0208]

Fine, DLH is bigger and stronger than Cotto and Mosely was able to handle his power too. The point I was making is that I don't know if Cotto will be able to wear down and batter Mosley like he has his other opponents. Mosley has been in there with some big, strong guys and has handled himself well. If Cotto can't overpower Mosely, it will be interesting to see what plan B is.

I agree. I am not sure that he will be able to overpower Mosley. The dynamics of this match are very interesting.

[Maxmomer]

Wow, people actually think Cotto will win. :rofl

[kg0208]

Yeah, WTF is wrong with that?:patsch

This isn't Shane Mosley of 1999-2000 anymore.

There lies another part of the interesting context of this fight. Mosley is NOT the same fighter he was. However, he is certainly still a good fighter as of his last fight. But he is at that age where he could get old overnight very quick. I don't think he will, but it is part of the dynamic.

Also, how crafty is Mosley now. Older fighters sometimes get old, but then get crafty and get even harder to beat for young guys. The whole thing is interesting.

[Supreme]

Sugar Shane for me guys i think he will be in tip top condition.

[pryorgatti]

I agree.

I'd favor Shane by TKO

[PR Boxing Lore]

Wow, people actually think Cotto will win. :rofl
:patsch

[Amsterdam]

There lies another part of the interesting context of this fight. Mosley is NOT the same fighter he was. However, he is certainly still a good fighter as of his last fight. But he is at that age where he could get old overnight very quick. I don't think he will, but it is part of the dynamic.

Also, how crafty is Mosley now. Older fighters sometimes get old, but then get crafty and get even harder to beat for young guys. The whole thing is interesting.

Mosely doesn't like pressure and is open to body work, that makes it all the more interesting. I'd rate Mosely at maybe 80% of his best in the Collazo bout and I'm sure he's coming in here fantastic because it could end up a legacy win.

I've got Cotto as my pick and I think he'll win it well, but I feel it will be an interesting bout, one worth cancelling all plans to watch.

[El Bombasto]

mosley tko5

[kg0208]

Mosely doesn't like pressure and is open to body work, that makes it all the more interesting. I'd rate Mosely at maybe 80% of his best in the Collazo bout and I'm sure he's coming in here fantastic because it could end up a legacy win.

I've got Cotto as my pick and I think he'll win it well, but I feel it will be an interesting bout, one worth cancelling all plans to watch.

But the most effective way to beat Mosley has been at the end of a long jab. Both Forrest and Wright employed this strategy to great effect. Pressuring him works, but he may also open up and I think he hits hard enough to hurt Cotto.

[Maxmomer]

:patsch

Haha, Chupacabra. Cool.

[Alo2006]

Cotto by late stoppage!!!
Mosley does'nt like to get hit to the body!

Is that your reason Cotto wins :lol: No fighter wants to get hit to the body. Mosley by UD, possible late KO

[they_killed_kenny]

Cotto will win a'la Quintana, body blows up the ass

[PR Boxing Lore]

Haha, Chupacabra. Cool.
:good

[joito3]

cotto beats the old man into submission

[lillarry]

Cotto TKO. I just think those body shots of Cotto will be too much for Shane at this point in his career. For Mosley to win, he is going to have to fight on the outside and pick his shots maybe trying to get to that chin of Cotto. If he chooses to go toe to toe, imo Cotto will end his night.

[PR Boxing Lore]

But the most effective way to beat Mosley has been at the end of a long jab. Both Forrest and Wright employed this strategy to great effect. Pressuring him works, but he may also open up and I think he hits hard enough to hurt Cotto.
Remember Cotto has a great underrated jab, not a long one but a good jab that can complicate things for people who don't expect that from him.

[carras]

cotto by late tko.

[TroubleLurks]

Everybody is expecting a war. It won't be. Cotto has the perfect style to make Mosley look like a beast IMO. Mosley will whip his ass the whole fight and stop him by the 9th at the latest. Takes more than youth and a shaved head to beat Mosley.

[41fever]

Everybody is expecting a war. It won't be. Cotto has the perfect style to make Mosley look like a beast IMO. Mosley will whip his ass the whole fight and stop him by the 9th at the latest. Takes more than youth and a shaved head to beat Mosley.
I agree, BUT I don't know how long Sugar Shane can keep his legs up after body shot after body shot from Cotto...

[41fever]

Can't wait to watch this fight and watch Cotto reach greaters heights in his storied career!

[Sheikh]

Cotto is way more exciting and I wanna see cotto vs floyd badly! but i think shane wins a ud... competitive fight. But shane wins clear 8-4 or 7-4-1. Shane has trouble with guys who have good jabs and cotto doesnt. cotto is too 1 dimensional

[Words]

wow, until I cast my vote this was actually 50-50 (39 votes each). Cant get closer than that! Cant wait for this to happen. Winner fights the winner of Mayweather - Hatton to finally settle who the most badass fighter of this era is.

[nezy37]

At first I was going with Cotto.....After last night..seeing Shane in tremendous shape and his neck looked like a pit bulls ....And hearing Shane compare Cotto to Vargas in which I do see similarities in stance but thats where it ends...I think Mosley may know something we dont and have his #. If Mosley is as in good of shape as he looks he is going to stop Cotto late. Shane knows the fight game and he is very confident. I do think he underrates Cottos hand speed as everyone does..his jab is good too.. I will flip flop until November

I was going to say the same thing. I can't wait this is going to be a great fight

[KO Boxing]

Mosely... And in the end he'll do it well, after a great fight for the first 6 or so rounds.

If anyone wins by stoppage, it's most certainly Mosely.

[YOUNG*LORD]

Wow...this poll is so evenly split...that tells you alot about the fight...it's war baby!:hey :happy

[valdez]

Cotto by UD

[precision]

i think mosley wins

[nrgetic]

My views

Mosley by Points

o Cotto drops his left hand and this will provide openings for Mosley
o Cotto has very good recuperative skills when he is in trouble – he might get wobbled but he can recover quite well.
o Cotto is not a good back foot fighter, Mosley should pressure him from the get go and keep Cotto off balance.
o Mosley has lost a fair slab of his blinding power and speed – he will land but not with the same effect as what he had during his peak
o Mosley has excellent footwork which will make it difficult for Cotto to set his feet to throw bombs – if Cotto can’t get on top and break Mosley down Cotto will lose too many rounds and lose a tight fight

Mosley by Stoppage

o Cotto is not a defensive wizard – he catches a lot of punches and Mosley has the speed and footwork to finish a hurt Cotto if that opportunity is available
o Mosley has a speed advantage over Cotto – he will beat Cotto to the punch
o Cotto is very susceptible to fast right hands and Mosley has a fast right hand
o Mosley is an excellent counter puncher and against Torres and Corley Cotto got himself into trouble against counter punchers
o If N'dou had any significant power in his right hand at all he'd have hurt Cotto bad. He landed a ton of them flush. Cotto faded badly in that fight
o Other fighters have let Cotto off the hook when they have got him into trouble eg Judah, Corley and Torres but Mosley is an excellent finisher and would capitalise – Cotto would not get a second chance
o Cotto is always vulnerable to an uppercut – that is the punch that Torres caught him with because Cotto crouches in with his head forward
o The speed and movement of Judah bothered Cotto, Judah was able exploit Cotto’s weak defence but Mosley will take it to school
o Mosley can punch the body quite well eg Vargas KO in the second fight

Cotto by Points

o Mosley has a solid jaw and is quick so he may stay upright
o Cotto can beat down fast fighters eg Malignaggi
o Cotto has faced a lot of different styles, thus far, he's faced his share of big punchers (Bailey and Torres), volume punchers (N'dou, Maussa) and a slick southpaw (Corley). He has experience and the brain to come up with a plan for Mosley.
o Cotto is the best switch hitter in world boxer, he has skills irrespective of whether fighting orthodox or southpaw, he hit Judah with three consecutive left hands in the southpaw stance and they were very hard shots. He used the southpaw stance against Urkal very effectively.


Cotto by Stoppage

o Cotto is a body punching wizard – he can stop anyone if he gets on top in that department
o Cotto has heavy hands and Vernon Forrest was able to beat Mosley with heavy hands (Vargas might be heavy handed but h was so slow).

[nrgetic]

Mosley by points

[Maxmomer]

Wow, it's split exactly 50/50.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Everybody is expecting a war. It won't be. Cotto has the perfect style to make Mosley look like a beast IMO. Mosley will whip his ass the whole fight and stop him by the 9th at the latest. Takes more than youth and a shaved head to beat Mosley.

What makes Cotto anymore made to order than Jose Luis Cruz or David Estrada? And would you say Shane "looked like a beast" in those fights? :lol: I wouldn't.

[Superheavyweight]

Wow, it's split exactly 50/50.Yea, damn.

That’s why I picked a Cotto split decision.

I think the commentator’s unofficial scorecard will favour Mosley by 1 point which will also reflect the ‘fans’ opinion of the fight who will think Mosley won, but Cotto will emerge as the winner on the official scorecards by a split decision, whatever happens Cotto will keep his 0 and remain undefeated.

No one will say ‘robbery’ but some fans will disagree with the outcome when it’s declared… And STILL WBA welterweight champion of the world… Miguel Angel Cotto!

Don’t get me wrong though; Mosley is one of my favourite fighters of all-time and an ATG IMO, he’s one of the most complete fighters ever to have graced the ring, he’s almost up there with the likes of Duran and Hopkins.

[ChampionsForever]

LOL my vote just made it 51 votes each, this really is a 50/50 fight but since it was announced Ive always thought Cotto would have hes number, he's dealt with speed in Malinaggi and speed and power with Judah, I dont think Shane brings to much to the table that Cotto can't handle, it will be hes toughest test so far but I think hes pressure and body shots will wear down Mosely to grind out a decision. ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

[ChampionsForever]

Yea, damn.

That’s why I picked a Cotto split decision.

I think the commentator’s unofficial scorecard will favour Mosley by 1 point which will also reflect the ‘fans’ opinion of the fight who will think Mosley won, but Cotto will emerge as the winner on the official scorecards by a split decision, whatever happens Cotto will keep his 0 and remain undefeated.

No one will say ‘robbery’ but some fans will disagree with the outcome when it’s declared… And STILL WBA welterweight champion of the world… Miguel Angel Cotto!

Don’t get me wrong though; Mosley is one of my favourite fighters of all-time and an ATG IMO, he’s one of the most complete fighters ever to have graced the ring, he’s almost up there with the likes of Duran and Hopkins.

Could you be a bit more specific with your pick please :huh ([Only registered and activated users can see links])









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[TroubleLurks]

What makes Cotto anymore made to order than Jose Luis Cruz or David Estrada? And would you say Shane "looked like a beast" in those fights? :lol: I wouldn't. No he didn't look like a beast against them. But keep in mind Shane was just coming off back to back losses to Winky and he was using a NEW TRAINER for the first time in his career for those two fights. You'll see, Cotto is made to order for Mosley.

[Quik]

Cotto by Kayo arround the 8th round with a bodyshot.

[Relentless]

:lol: You vastly overrate Mosley by putting him up there, but say Cotto beats him?

you dont think mosley is an all time great?

[Caper]

Who has a better Jab???:think

[warrior85]

im a fan of both guys but my 1st feeling when they were linked as possibe opponents was a mosley win,so i think mosley sd possible mid-late ko depended on how early cotto feels the left hook,cant wait for this 1!

[Caper]

:lol: Jones had about 10 fights there, and beat an ATG at the weight, not to mention the competition and history at 168 is nowhere NEAR what it is at 135. Not to mention Mosley isn't as good as Jones period.

Jones proved himself against top comp at the weight, Mosley didn't, although he did later at higher weights. Sure, head to head you could argue Mosley as a top 10 LW, but based on accomplishments, no way.

Have you learned not to argue with me yet? You always seem to try.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[pugilistspecialist]

May end up being the best superfight this year. Both guys are hungry. I think Cotto is 26 is steadily has been rising since his pro debut. Mosley is a hungry former champion with enough left to win another title and stamp the nickename Sugar where it belongs. Very close but I side with Mosley. He hasnt been in any wars. Never been stopped, dropped only twice, and has the heart of a lion. I think this is the fight that gives him a legendary career. The past few years have been up and down for Mosley and he wants to go out with a bang. Cotto may underestimate the 35 year old former champ because of age. Mosley is taller, which he dominates shorter guys, and will be stronger is not strong as Cotto. Cotto depends on aggression and strength and it could be his downfall in this fight. Mosley is the more versatile fighter and his handspeed will let him hit Cotto more than he gets hit. Cotto may hit harder but Mosley has the harder chin. Close fight but experience, boxing skills, and speed get a close win by 11th round Stoppage for Mosley.

[Jinx]

was going with Cotto at first but now im saying Mosley TKO late...whoever goes to the body early and often will wear down the other, but that's where Mosley's edge in handspeed and movement will come thru...

[liljp361]

May end up being the best superfight this year. Both guys are hungry. I think Cotto is 26 is steadily has been rising since his pro debut. Mosley is a hungry former champion with enough left to win another title and stamp the nickename Sugar where it belongs. Very close but I side with Mosley. He hasnt been in any wars. Never been stopped, dropped only twice, and has the heart of a lion. I think this is the fight that gives him a legendary career. The past few years have been up and down for Mosley and he wants to go out with a bang. Cotto may underestimate the 35 year old former champ because of age. Mosley is taller, which he dominates shorter guys, and will be stronger is not strong as Cotto. Cotto depends on aggression and strength and it could be his downfall in this fight. Mosley is the more versatile fighter and his handspeed will let him hit Cotto more than he gets hit. Cotto may hit harder but Mosley has the harder chin. Close fight but experience, boxing skills, and speed get a close win by 11th round Stoppage for Mosley.

That seems about right.

[miamite]

I originally though Cotto by stoppage. After pondering it over I am going with Shane Mosely by razor thin decision. I could easily envision Cotto getting a decision, but would be suprised to see Mosely get stopped. I think Cotto will be dropped at least once in this fight.

[MSTR]

Mosley by KTFO.
No way in hell. Cotto is the truth, and come November the rest of the world will see. Cotto is SOOO much better then Vargas. Better technically, quicker, stonger, more powerful and a better combination puncher. Mosley has never IMO looked great against GOOD pressure fighters, and doesn't have the jab to keep Cotto at bay. COtto will get inside and go to work all night long!

[standing 8]

I got Mosely by UD, I think that the only way he's going to lose this one is if he suddenly gets old over night.

[PR Boxing Lore]

Unless Cotto low blows,he will be taken out in the first 3 rounds
:patsch

[DoumB]

My boy mosley takes this one, too fast, too skilled, too big too strong.... GO SHANE CAUSE IT WONT BE A WALK IN THE PARK!!!

[the_what]

Papa Jack Mosley throws in the white towel after 8 rounds of punishment. Mosley's face will be brutally disfigured. Garden going crazy. Cotto remains the Welterweight King.:happy

[brooklyn1550]

Unless Cotto low blows,he will be taken out in the first 3 rounds

:patsch

[Dorfmeister]

I originally though Cotto by stoppage. After pondering it over I am going with Shane Mosely by razor thin decision. I could easily envision Cotto getting a decision, but would be suprised to see Mosely get stopped. I think Cotto will be dropped at least once in this fight.

Bernard said the same thing bringing back recollections of Tito B-Hop 2001 middleweight series final in the Fast&Furious Presser, Shane should use his experience and speed advantages to win rounds and sustain Miguel's accelerations, the PRican enormous physicality but ponderous attacks, Bob Arum also made it pretty clear that Miguel is the bravest for facing the hardest opposition out there... I always said that the trick here is Mosley's punch momentum (or torque) and power in the physic sense ( strength (force) multiplies speed) - he uses good body movement to charge up his punches whereas Miguel accelerates but then discharges stronger techniques only from almost still positions... I also believe Shane has more chances to drop Miguel since he can create more angles to counter but not if he stands still and tries to discourage his opponent tryin to prove he can take it cause not even he knows if he can or not!

[SugarShane_24]

At first glance and on paper Cotto seems to hold a lot advantage:

he has superior firepower
he's young
he can sustain his attack up to later rounds
he has the crowd (the bout will be in the US, but new york has a huge PR population so it's cotto's playing field)
and he's undefeated and has the title, thereby bringing the required confidence needed entering these type of fights.


But there's one intagible that can turn this fight around hugely, experience.


Im leaning on Mosley to win by stoppage on this fight. he's been there, done that, and IMO, he has sufficient pop in his fist to deal damage on Cotto. Plus, Shane is a very underrated technician, he may not have the same defensive abilities he had at 135, but his handspeed is still there, something that bothered cotto against judah. His footwork is still there too(and i don't mean dancing, i mean proper position of feet to maximize the power of punches) Shane is also much tougher and doesn't fade in the later rounds. Lastly, Mosley is an explosive finisher. He may not have one-punch KO power, but what makes him dangerous is he knows how to get his man outta there.

[amunz81]

Damn I Wish The Fight Was This Coming Weekend, This Is Some Good Shit!! Cotto By Late Round Stoppage!!!

[TroubleLurks]

:patschWhat's wrong with what he said? Torres almost had him out in two.

[the_what]

Cotto by disfigurement. Jin wont recognize Mosley after its all said and done. :happy

[Guru_Too_You]

Torres, Corley and Malignaggi all wobble Cotto.

Mosley, even at this stage has more power and technique than all of them.

He'll catch and hurt Cotto and when he does, he'll finish him.

[Relentless]

Torres, Corley and Malignaggi all wobble Cotto.

Mosley, even at this stage has more power and technique than all of them.

He'll catch and hurt Cotto and when he does, he'll finish him.

:patsch please just shut the fuck up.

[Executioner]

Torres, Corley and Malignaggi all wobble Cotto.

Mosley, even at this stage has more power and technique than all of them.

He'll catch and hurt Cotto and when he does, he'll finish him.

Malignaggi? :think I must have missed this. :yep

[Guru_Too_You]

:patsch please just shut the fuck up.

You don't remember Paulie shaking Cotto's knees? I'll see if I can find it on my lunch break in about a half hour. It happened.

Now it wasnt nearly to the extent of Torres or Corley, but the fact that the feather fisted Malignaggi could even knock Cotto backwards and make his knees buckle is a VERY, VERY serious issue.

[the_what]

You don't remember Paulie shaking Cotto's knees? I'll see if I can find it on my lunch break in about a half hour. It happened.

Now it wasnt nearly to the extent of Torres or Corley, but the fact that the feather fisted Malignaggi could even knock Cotto backwards and make his knees buckle is a VERY, VERY serious issue.

Cotto wasnt hurt at all. He was off balance. Your clutching at straws there to make a point. :lol:

[the_what]

I remember that body shot that folded Mosley in half in the first Forrest fight. Round 10 I believe. Just wait til a real body puncher gets to that gut. Its going to be a beautiful thing. :yep

[Guru_Too_You]

Cotto wasnt hurt at all. He was off balance. Your clutching at straws there to make a point. :lol:
When its Malignaggi, its not clutching at straws. And I need to point no further than Judah, Corley and Torres anyways.

Are you serious right now? I suppose he doesnt have a shaky chin at all right?

And I'm pretty sure that he was not off balance, I'm watching the fight right now and will find the exact moment it happened.

[Guru_Too_You]

Not to mention, in round 7, Foreman and the crew point out that every time Malignaggi threw more than one punch at a time, Cotto would stop and start over again, rather than firing back.

What's he gonna do when Mosley rattles off combinations all night?

[TroubleLurks]

Not to mention, in round 7, Foreman and the crew point out that every time Malignaggi threw more than one punch at a time, Cotto would stop and start over again, rather than firing back.

What's he gonna do when Mosley rattles off combinations all night?That's one of the many things I have been saying from the start. I'm telling you, I have no doubt at all that Shane wins this fight, probably by KO.

[the_what]

I know what punch your talking about. Ive seen the fight like 10 times. Cotto staggers back after a Malignaggi punch. But he wasnt hurt at all. It was more or a defensive lapse with the fact that he was off balance.

Either way, Cotto is getting in that ass like a wedgie.

[Guru_Too_You]

I know what punch your talking about. Ive seen the fight like 10 times. Cotto staggers back after a Malignaggi punch. But he wasnt hurt at all. It was more or a defensive lapse with the fact that he was off balance.

Either way, Cotto is getting in that ass like a wedgie.

Avatar bet?

[Guru_Too_You]

I know what punch your talking about. Ive seen the fight like 10 times. Cotto staggers back after a Malignaggi punch. But he wasnt hurt at all. It was more or a defensive lapse with the fact that he was off balance.

The punch you are referring to happens with 30 seconds left in round 9.

I don't believe that the one that I'm referring to either. Youtube part 4 of 5 for that punch. Formean had actually been pointing out that Miguel was going to walk into something like that and get staggered. And staggered he was. He spent the remaining 30 seconds backing up for the first time and did not throw any punches either.

Edit: Replay of that punch did show it to be more grazing and balance based, but again thats not the one I was referring to.

[the_what]

Avatar bet?

Its on.

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:happy

[Guru_Too_You]

Its on.

0UXRVBgW3_g

:happy

Month?

[Caper]

Its on.

0UXRVBgW3_g

:happy

Cotto's da man :smoke

[Superheavyweight]

Mosley is starting to pull away, should this make him the betting favourite?

[willnav]

The punch you are referring to happens with 30 seconds left in round 9.

I don't believe that the one that I'm referring to either. Youtube part 4 of 5 for that punch. Formean had actually been pointing out that Miguel was going to walk into something like that and get staggered. And staggered he was. He spent the remaining 30 seconds backing up for the first time and did not throw any punches either.

Edit: Replay of that punch did show it to be more grazing and balance based, but again thats not the one I was referring to.

Reviewed youtube part 4 of 5. WTF are you talking about. Cotto staggered?????:lol:

[Superheavyweight]

:bbb

[Relentless]

judah had 'the great' money mayweather out on his feet, but could not do it to miguel angel cotto :happy :happy :happy

[China_hand_Joe]

Americans are ridiculous. Mosley is done for, especially without his steroids.

You can tell Cotto will win as this is a 'percieved 50/50' fight and he is facing an American.

In an non-nationality biased reality Cotto would be a 1/5 betting favorite at the worst.

[Relentless]

Americans are ridiculous. Mosley is done for, especially without his steroids.

You can tell Cotto will win as this is a 'percieved 50/50' fight and he is facing an American.

In an non-nationality biased reality Cotto would be a 1/5 betting favorite at the worst.

stfu idiot, this thread is nothing to do with calzaghe, go somewhere else.

[Thread Stealer]

I don't think Mosley has as much left as many others do. He's still a good formidable fighter, but I don't think he wins against Cotto.

Cotto UD 12.

[Superheavyweight]

First to 100?

Mosley seems too strong in this poll.

[Asterion]

This fight is too hard to predict.

Anything can happen.

If Cotto wins, we will be watching the story of a future all time great being materialized.

If Mosley wins, with victories over De la Hoya and Cotto, he's gonna honour even more his 'Sugar' nickname.

[the_what]

Cotto opening up a can of whoop ass on the 10th. :happy

[Asterion]

judah had 'the great' money mayweather out on his feet, but could not do it to miguel angel cotto :happy :happy :happy

I think Judah caused trouble to both of them.

And it would be fair to recognize that Judah was coming from an inactive year and a NC.

[Dorfmeister]

I do think this is highly complicated and cumbersome and at first, it may appear that this may be similar to the prediction of how a tossed coin would fall. But not in the terms of similar causal lines to predict the effect, with all that is required being merely sufficient information on the causes. The causes that strike me the most are Mosley's edge in handspeed and Cotto's defensive flaws, the combined effect of the two has to be immense even looking on through distorting spectacles.

[cpnasty]

Mosley in the 8th

[Druid]

Cotto by late TKO

[China_hand_Joe]

Mosley will get hammered for the same reasons Calzaghe might lose to Kessler.

[Fab2333]

SHane By UD or even KO

[Superheavyweight]

Mosley first to 100… he takes this on the polls… it’s a close one.

[the_what]

6 days left. Cotto TKOs Mosley in 8 :happy

[BobDigi5060]

Would rather be positive because I don't wanna see Sugar Shane lose in 07 but I think he will. If he hurts Cotto and can't put him away he will lose.

[the_what]

This eyebrow plucking and buttmassage loving Hotto is going to get stomped out this saturday.

Get it right, *****y. Mexicans pluck. Ricans wax. :yep

[boxbox]

mosely UD

[Relentless]

It's time for you to go to work in your designated spot on the exit of 110 freeway and sell your oranges with the rest of your Boricua buddies.. :lol:

You guys are wannabe Mexicans but too bad you can't be..

Mexico > Rico in boxing..

but atleast they are good at a real sport, unlike you china men, you can only rely on guys like injinchi and koki kameda, and even they aren't yours.

by the way how is your tang soo doo going mr chuck norris?

[Caper]

It's time for you to go to work in your designated spot on the exit of 110 freeway and sell your oranges with the rest of your Boricua buddies.. :lol:

You guys are wannabe Mexicans but too bad you can't be..

Mexico > Rico in boxing..


Selling oranges is still slightly better than offering a good window cleaning at a red light with a dirty pair of underwear and a bucket of ivory soap water.:p

Oh and .......

Mexico: 100 Million 108 champions

Puerto Rico: 10 Million 52 Champions

You do the Math

But for "The What" that equals: 160 Champions ;)

[Relentless]

Chinamen don't rely on Injin Chi and kameda because they aren't their countryman you stupid ass.. :patsch You sound uneducated..

i didn't say they are chinese did i?

hows dance... oops i mean tang soo doo going?

[Caper]

Wow...now that I think about it I never seen such a 50/50 split on a fight :think

[Relentless]

china = 1 billion+ people = no champions.

[the_what]

Selling oranges is still slightly better than offering a good window cleaning at a red light with a dirty pair of underwear and a bucket of ivory soap water.:p

Oh and .......

Mexico: 100 Million 108 champions

Puerto Rico: 10 Million 52 Champions

You do the Math

But for "The What" that equals: 160 Champions ;)

Damn right. :lol:

[Alo2006]

5 days until another fighter 0 goes :yep :bbb

[Caper]

Damn right. :lol:

I'd hate to bump you in the club after about 7 glasses of straight Hennessy in your system. :!:

[cpnasty]

Mosley in the 8th

[Caper]

5 days until another fighter 0 goes :yep :bbb

I saw Mosley on Friday coming out of a Radio Station on 43rd street. I ran into an old friend that drives fighters around NYC the week of big fights and he told me to hang for a minute and sure enough Sugar Shane and his dad coming out of an office building. Its the second time I meet Shane and each time he's gracious and humble just like Cotto. Its gonna be a great fight. Shane has one big ass noggin though.... he's more like 5'8 Quintana was taller than him. But they all look small when I see them in person LOL.....

[Relentless]

I used a tang soo do technique to fist your mom yesterday.

ha ha ha, original.

[Relentless]

Well that has nothing to do with me cuz im not chinese..

Go drink your cup of tea and make your teeth yellow.. :rofl

korean....chinese

you say tomato i say potato.

[Relentless]

:lol: WTF was that? You're as dumb as they come..

IT's time for your brunch and you can go sip your tea like a homo.. :rofl

what kind of fag laughs at his own jokes?

keep laughing tangsoodoo boy, when you start a real sport i'll talk to you properly.

[Relentless]

You must be a fag too cuz ive seen you laugh at your own jokes many times.. Are you a faget? :lol:

CAsper face, you need to go get yourself a nice tan..

well i would have needed a tan if i was white, but guess what, i'm not!!

you need to be proud of your ethnicity!

[Relentless]

I'm super proud of what i am, but I don't think you're are because you've been dodging my question for days now.. I asked what you were..

Are you ashamed and scared of getting clowned on?

alot of posters know what i am, ask around.


p.s taekwondo is for homosexuals and girls.

[Thread Stealer]

I like Cotto in this matchup.

Cotto seems more comfortable at 147 and I think making 140 caused some of his problems in the past. Cotto got stunned by Judah, but big deal. Lots of guys get stunned by the speed and power of Judah. I think Cotto's punch resistance is good enough.

Mosley fights extremely well for a 36 year old, but he's still a 36 year old. I don't think he has as much left as a lot of other people think. He's still good, tough, quick, etc...but I think Cotto's pressure and workrate, along with his solid skill set, will be the difference. At Mosley's age, he fights at a more measured pace. Mosley will try to control the pace and clinch Cotto to get rest, but Cotto's a strong guy and keeps coming. Cotto also has a very good workrate, and his bodyshots should affect anyone, especially a 36 year old. Mosley will have his moments, but I think Cotto will gradually do the damage and take over, winning a UD, although a late stoppage is not that hard to see either.

Cotto UD 12 Mosley

[Relentless]

Well im asking you again, what are you? don't be a bitch dude..

You're a tea sipping and cricket playing fairy.. You have no right to label anyone a homosexual bro.. :nut

find out for yourself, i don't give my information out on the Internet to pedophiles who participate in little boys taekwondo classes.

[Caper]

Ladies lets stop with the personal insults and stick to the boxing insults, their much better since we all know the fighters but we don't know shit about you dudes. You guys could be 7 foot tall transgendered flamingos for all we know.:smoke

[Relentless]

I think you're just scared of getting shown up.. It's just a simple nationality, yea, so much information that is huh?

You're twisted for even thinking that way. How do you relate TKD to pedophiles and little boys??? That never came across my mind but i guess guys like you are different.. you're sick dude..

You're officially ashamed of what you are.. I knew you wanted to be a Boricua all along.. :bart

ok you want my nationality? i'm british, now what are you going to do with that information you filthy perverty?

[Dorfmeister]

I personally don't feel some sort of breathless pre-hallacious storm air, regardless of how fast or how furious they go, but nawthing I say will change the nervous, witchy feeling of exhilaration some may feel. Neither I expect Shane to turn a shade of dead zombie ebony nor do I expect to sense the clearly audible shatter sound of breaking glass when Miguel connects. Shane may get alarmed/self-decepted that he can't press on the gas pedall or he may well be morphing the rhythm, alter the tempo through speed-ups, slow downs and change overs so that his opponent's intensity doesn't catch up with him. Anyway, let me put down for ya what were Teddy Atlas picks for the Shane Mosley - David Estrada fight in Caesers Palace, AC, NJ ( undercard of Cintron-Margarito WBo Title fight) when Shane made his comeback to 147 pounds and Estrada was ranked 9th by ESPN.com and the Ring Mag - Shane was rated 3rd by ESPN.com and 2nd by the Ring as a junior middle still:

Keys for Estrada to win:
1- "Double your pleasure": Double up the jab, smothering the space so that you don't get open for his right hands.
2 - "Tipping the hand": Mosley has the habit of showing what he has and what he's gonna do... Mosley flips the left elbow a lil bit to throw jabs - when you see this, throw your right hand immediately to get a flush.
3- "right hand not the foot": Don't put your right leg in front when you lead with the right hand, but leave your foot back so that you won't leave yourself open and out of position.

Keys for Mosley to win:
1- "Bang the Drum" : Mosley is a tremendous body puncher, go to the body to slow him down comin at ya.
2- "Up, up and away": when he leans forward on the inside, throw the uppercut and move away.
3- "Left hook as he comes": When you see him lead with the right hand, ( circle him to your left) time him with the left hook.

Needless is to say that I think this applies both to Cotto and to Shane. I see Shane coming out on top in the same fashion as he did with Estrada and the first time with Vargas and if he brings his A game ( no monkeys on his back or loading up for a foolish knock-out), or Cotto winning by decision due to his physicallity and because he is in fact on top of his Game and that could be too much for Shane at this point.

[the_what]

This bitch should be a sticky thread. :deal

Go Cotto. :happy :happy :happy

[stuistylee]

cotto sd mosley...but this is 1 of those fights that im seeing a few different scenarios playing out...and the closer it gets the more uncertain i am about who will triumph...

[Ring Master]

I'm going with Mosley, but damn this is a hard fight to pick.

[Drew101]

I'm going with Mosley, but damn this is a hard fight to pick.

I'm going with Cotto, and I agree entirely with your second statement, RM.

[ChampionsForever]

I like Cotto in this matchup.

Cotto seems more comfortable at 147 and I think making 140 caused some of his problems in the past. Cotto got stunned by Judah, but big deal. Lots of guys get stunned by the speed and power of Judah. I think Cotto's punch resistance is good enough.

Mosley fights extremely well for a 36 year old, but he's still a 36 year old. I don't think he has as much left as a lot of other people think. He's still good, tough, quick, etc...but I think Cotto's pressure and workrate, along with his solid skill set, will be the difference. At Mosley's age, he fights at a more measured pace. Mosley will try to control the pace and clinch Cotto to get rest, but Cotto's a strong guy and keeps coming. Cotto also has a very good workrate, and his bodyshots should affect anyone, especially a 36 year old. Mosley will have his moments, but I think Cotto will gradually do the damage and take over, winning a UD, although a late stoppage is not that hard to see either.

Cotto UD 12 Mosley

Well put, we share the same thoughts on this fight.

[itliangladiator]

Although I love Cotto I'm going to go with Mosley. Mosley looked to be in very good shape during sparring. Mosley has more skill and the slicker of the two. Cotto i relentless and will not stop coming, even when he is hurt. But Im going to have to go with the experience and skill on this one so Im taking Mosley.

[the_what]

Mosley looked great in training.

I still predict Cotto to dominate though.

[Zhaakal]

This has to be one of the hardest fights to choose a winner from.

[PacDbest]

Cotto Close Decision.

[Executioner]

Cotto Close Decision.

Although I find some of your Pacquiao posts outrageous, your prediction for donaire-Vic fight and now this fight are looking nice. :good

Cotto close UD

[Gooner4ever]

Cotto is one of the most powerful hitters around and Mosley can't afford to leave his chin out. On the other side, Mosley is one of the slickest boxers around and has the ability to box rings round Cotto if given the chance. I can't see it being anything but a great fight and I would love to see either man get it on next with the winner of Mayweather Vs Hatton. I have been a huge Mosely fan since I saw him compete in the olympics many years ago and it be a great moment to see him dethrone the current champ. Unfortunately I just can't see it happening. I think age will catch up with him on the night and that the younger, harder hitting Champion will prove too strong. I go with Cotto to take it on a UD.

[huki]

Cotto TKO 10.

Although I think Shane could hurt Cotto early-mid in the fight and finish him, I am confident in thinking he's too old at this point and Cotto will bring a fight to him that he hasn't been through in many years. My prediction is that Jack Mosley will stop the fight. I am almost 100% sure Mosley will not win by decision.. his only chance is a KO.

[igotJUIC3]

got to go with Mosley....Cotto just gets hit too much and often is hurt. in with a seasoned experienced talented fighter like Mosley means trouble...either way...fight wont see 12 ROUNDS period.

[Decebal]

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Someone still to vote?

[Zakman]

If Mosley were five years younger, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. Given his age, this is a tough fight to pick. If Mosley has as much as it seems he had left in his recent fights, I think he'll pull it out. But if I'm wrong, this could end up like Hatton-Tszyu.

Cautiously, I pick Mosley by late TKO. Cotto doesn't take the greatest shot, and Mosley - even today's Mosley - is still the best fighter he's faced.

[FROST]

In my opinion Mosley will win this fight, he's a clever fighter and will have a good game-plan. He's in shape, still pretty fast, and he probably will box Cotto. It wouldn't be smart to slug it out with Cotto in the middle of the ring, so Mosley will move a lot. Of course Cotto will have his moments, since he will pressure Mosley the whole fight, but Mosley is experienced enough to handle that. Cotto is good, but he's never been in the ring with somebody on Mosley's level. Watch for Mosley to land some big counter-shots that will demand Cottos respect. I think it will be Mosley who breaks down Cotto in the second half of the fight, and not the opposite. Cotto has enough heart to last the distance though. Mosley wins by clear UD over Cotto.

[lillarry]

:bump

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