watched tyson v tucker today

[TIGEREDGE]

very forgotten about and underrated performance. for all those who say that buster douglas was the first guy to give tyson trouble want to watch this fight.

tucker really did box lovely for the first 6 rounds. he landed some lovely right hands and uppercuts

tyson showed great patience to overcome tuckers slickness and skills

[lefthook31]

And Tucker had a broken hand coming into that fight. He was a very good fighter when he was straight. Drug problems probably kept him from accomplishing more.

[Holmes' Jab]

Not again. Tucker barely won a round or two. This was the epitome of a fighter giving up the ghost swiftly, believing there wasn't a chance in hell he'd cause an upset.

[janitor]

But if you put the Tyson of the Douglas fight in front of him?

[Bill Butcher]

very forgotten about and underrated performance. for all those who say that buster douglas was the first guy to give tyson trouble want to watch this fight.

tucker really did box lovely for the first 6 rounds. he landed some lovely right hands and uppercuts

tyson showed great patience to overcome tuckers slickness and skills

Yes, these clowns that always pick against prime Tyson in mythical fights because of `mental weakness` are mental midgets themselves, obviously Tyson was not only better physically in his prime than he was when past it but he was a much happier person & had no problems with pressure at that point, he was focused, when a man is depressed or has worries, that can lead to problems in a ring, when his live is sound & going well, he will perform better physically & deal with things better mentally..... its not fuckin rocket science.

I find it hard to get my head around the fact that people actually believe a prime Tyson would crumble if faced with a hard fight... that sure as shit wasnt what they were saying when he was being proclaimed possibly the GOAT.... short memories can work wonders eh ?

[Vantage_West]

tysons jabs in th elater rounds were pretty solid boxing. reminds me of him boxing and countering against mathis and norris

[My2Sense]

I find it hard to get my head around the fact that people actually believe a prime Tyson would crumble if faced with a hard fight... that sure as shit wasnt what they were saying when he was being proclaimed possibly the GOAT.... short memories can work wonders eh ?

What about those people who try to claim Tyson was past his prime at a time when he was still being proclaimed as possibly the GOAT? Using the very same logic, you must also be thinking those people are suffering from memory loss as well, correct?

[Titan1]

And Tucker had a broken hand coming into that fight. He was a very good fighter when he was straight. Drug problems probably kept him from accomplishing more.

And a knee problem for a 15-month time period.

[mr. magoo]

Tyson at only the age of 21, did a very good job at handling a much larger, more mature, fighter who was undefeated in many bouts by that point. Sure, Tucker's record was padded. No getting around that. But, I think his abilities and athleticism were better than his record showed. part of his problem was that he was being passed over by fighters who wanted nothing to do with. Spinks forfeited his title to take on Cooney rather than face Tucker, and years later Foreman followed in his footsteps.

Tyson's critics use the overstated notion that his tendency to fade late would always be his undoing in fantasy head to head matchups. Don't know if I agree. The Tucker and Ruddock fights are two examples in which he stayed busy against two very large and strong heavyweights over 12 rounds, and won convincingly. At only the age of 19, he outpointed a 28 year old 6'5 mitch Green over 10 rounds, and pounded the living piss out of the durable Jose Ribalta as well. Tyson's weaknesses were all in his head and none of them really came into play until his life, family,career, and managment team all came falling down at once.

[klompton]

Im with everyone that says Tucker's performance in this fight is overrated. Tucker hit Tyson with an uppercut that lifted Tyson off his feet and Tyson kept coming forward immediately after that punch landed. Tucker hit Tyson with some of his best shots early, saw that nothing was happening, and deflated. This fight showed how the idea that 'if Tyson couldnt KO an opponent he was lost' is bullshit. In his prime Tyson went to work and was ready to go the distance if he had to.

[fists of fury]

Tyson at only the age of 21, did a very good job at handling a much larger, more mature, fighter who was undefeated in many bouts by that point. Sure, Tucker's record was padded. No getting around that. But, I think his abilities and athleticism were better than his record showed. part of his problem was that he was being passed over by fighters who wanted nothing to do with. Spinks forfeited his title to take on Cooney rather than face Tucker, and years later Foreman followed in his footsteps.

Tyson's critics use the overstated notion that his tendency to fade late would always be his undoing in fantasy head to head matchups. Don't know if I agree. The Tucker and Ruddock fights are two examples in which he stayed busy against two very large and strong heavyweights over 12 rounds, and won convincingly. At only the age of 19, he outpointed a 28 year old 6'5 mitch Green over 10 rounds, and pounded the living piss out of the durable Jose Ribalta as well. Tyson's weaknesses were all in his head and none of them really came into play until his life, family,career, and managment team all came falling down at once.

Good post.
I think it also to a point dispels the notion that Tyson struggled against tall fighters. Green, Tucker, Ribalta, Biggs etc. all stood 6'5" or more.

The guy Tyson struggled most with was Holyfield, and he was only 6'2". He also looked quite poor against Buster Mathis jnr, who wasn't even 6 feet tall.

[mr. magoo]

Good post.
I think it also to a point dispels the notion that Tyson struggled against tall fighters. Green, Tucker, Ribalta, Biggs etc. all stood 6'5" or more.

The guy Tyson struggled most with was Holyfield, and he was only 6'2". He also looked quite poor against Buster Mathis jnr, who wasn't even 6 feet tall.

True, and it should also be noted that both Holyfield and Tyson were past their best when those fights came off, so who knows what would have happened 6 years earlier. As for the Mathis fight, he was only the second opponent that Tyson had faced since 1991 when they met in 1995.

[lefthook31]

I would say Tyson did worse against shorter fighters throughout his career, contrary to what many think. He became so good at nailing fighters from a crouch, because a lot of them had to lean in to throw punches down to him, whether a jab or a power punch, it was easier for him to counter.

[fists of fury]

As for the Mathis fight, he was only the second opponent that Tyson had faced since 1991 when they met in 1995.

I forgot about that...it may explain Tyson's lack of timing for a spell there. It's funny, but Mathis was saying he was in no way intimidated of Tyson, in fact he and Tyson went way back together, and were on friendly terms.
Mathis even visited Tyson the day before the fight, in his dressing room, which caused Buster's handlers to hit the roof as you'd imagine.

What's interesting is that Mathis said Tyson just looked so small, compared to a Bowe for instance. He was actually quite amused by it.

[mr. magoo]

I forgot about that...it may explain Tyson's lack of timing for a spell there. It's funny, but Mathis was saying he was in no way intimidated of Tyson, in fact he and Tyson went way back together, and were on friendly terms.
Mathis even visited Tyson the day before the fight, in his dressing room, which caused Buster's handlers to hit the roof as you'd imagine.

What's interesting is that Mathis said Tyson just looked so small, compared to a Bowe for instance. He was actually quite amused by it.

Good stuff mate..:good

[fists of fury]

I would say Tyson did worse against shorter fighters throughout his career, contrary to what many think. He became so good at nailing fighters from a crouch, because a lot of them had to lean in to throw punches down to him, whether a jab or a power punch, it was easier for him to counter.

Yeah, that's true. Savaresse was another really tall guy Tyson sparked with no problem, and if we're not fussy about the quality of the opponent, so was Sam Scaff.

Okay, that one hardly counts, but still...:D

[TIGEREDGE]

Im with everyone that says Tucker's performance in this fight is overrated. Tucker hit Tyson with an uppercut that lifted Tyson off his feet and Tyson kept coming forward immediately after that punch landed. Tucker hit Tyson with some of his best shots early, saw that nothing was happening, and deflated. This fight showed how the idea that 'if Tyson couldnt KO an opponent he was lost' is bullshit. In his prime Tyson went to work and was ready to go the distance if he had to.

he landed some nice rights hands and was showing some great lateral movement. he was tieing tyson up well

good points at the end thoiugh

[PetethePrince]

Wasn't this the fight were Tucker just tried neutralizing Tyson the entire fight? He didn't really give himself much of a chance to win, but survive.

[mr. magoo]

Wasn't this the fight were Tucker just tried neutralizing Tyson the entire fight? He didn't really give himself much of a chance to win, but survive.


I think you're confusing Tucker with James " boneclincher " Smith...

[PetethePrince]

I think you're confusing Tucker with James " boneclincher " Smith...

Nope. That was a Tyson opponent who just ran and backed off. He basically did the same thing so yeah more than 1 Tyson opponent has done this... in fact a lot of them have. I remember Tucker clinching a lot and not getting off much.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Nope. That was a Tyson opponent who just ran and backed off. He basically did the same thing so yeah more than 1 Tyson opponent has done this... in fact a lot of them have. I remember Tucker clinching a lot and not getting off much.


This is true, Tucker barely tried to win, after about three rounds his eyes lit up at the idea of a Loss by Decision rather than KO.

[8count]

I used to think no boxing fan could dislike TYson. That was before the internet was awash with forums, threads, youtube comments and twittering blogs. Some so called boxing fans think he beat bums all his life. Losing to such a short heavyweight shouldn't have made anyone a bum.

Tyson said that he would go the distance if needed. "It's just a state of mind." He's one of those boxers who could comment historically and assess how he would actually fare against mythical match-ups. THere was that documentary where he said he'd probably lose to Ali bec he won't be able to Knock him out based on the harder hitters that Ali faced and beat.

But what do I know. I'm just a tyson fan and the only footage we saw of him when i was a kid was in the ring.

[Bigcat]

I think after Tyson shared top billing when he faced Thomas, and TNT beat Douglas and looked quite shoddy in doing it , Mike saw Tucker as easy pickings and overlooked his natural skills and athletesism.. When the fight happened the odds were very long and a win over Tucker were a mere formality.. But a different and highly motivated Tucker showed up and from the 1st round stamped authority on Mikes game showing him that he meant business. Tucker boxed very well that night and Mike had fits of trouble all the way through the fight if you watch it closely when he realised he couldn't break Tucker down in the same way he broke Thomas and Berbick before him. It wasn't the jab necissarily that gave Tyson problems it was fast countering and with straight rights and uppercuts down the middle that stopped mike from walking right through him.. Tucker had a long layoff after that fight i think because he put so much into the fight he felt disheartened with boxing and his father selling a massive portion of his contract behind his back, Tony started to wonder what it was all about..

[The Wanderer]

Wasn't this the fight were Tucker just tried neutralizing Tyson the entire fight? He didn't really give himself much of a chance to win, but survive.

According to at least one or two things I've read, Tucker broke his hand sometime early in the fight and then went into survival mode. (I think that was the Bad Intentions book about Tyson, but I could be wrong).

[JohnThomas1]

And Tucker had a broken hand coming into that fight.

No.

[Danny]

very forgotten about and underrated performance. for all those who say that buster douglas was the first guy to give tyson trouble want to watch this fight.

tucker really did box lovely for the first 6 rounds. he landed some lovely right hands and uppercuts

tyson showed great patience to overcome tuckers slickness and skills

What people tend to foget from is that Tyson outjabbed Tucker!

[celtic tiger]

i think that tucker fight was a below par performance from tyson . he didnt show much headmovement untill the later rounds when he jabbed his way in and countered of tuckers misses . that fight showed to me that tyson would always have to work hard against a guy who had quick hands and good lateral movement. thats why tyson took such a beating from douglas because he just tried to walk through him like he did against bruno . he did the same with tucker in the first round but when tyson saw that tucker was there to fight he started jabbing his way in , moving his head , working the body and countering tuckers misses with combinations . if the douglas tyson turned up for the tucker fight he would of got hammered. i dont think people realise how off his game tyson was for the douglas,bruno and ruddock fight . the tyson that fought douglas would of beaten by all his 80's opponents except berbick, smith and ruddock .

[fists of fury]

Interesting tidbit about this fight is that Tyson during the course of events ripped the nail off his big toe. Apparently his boot was caked in blood afterwards.

[celtic tiger]

I think after Tyson shared top billing when he faced Thomas, and TNT beat Douglas and looked quite shoddy in doing it , Mike saw Tucker as easy pickings and overlooked his natural skills and athletesism.. When the fight happened the odds were very long and a win over Tucker were a mere formality.. But a different and highly motivated Tucker showed up and from the 1st round stamped authority on Mikes game showing him that he meant business. Tucker boxed very well that night and Mike had fits of trouble all the way through the fight if you watch it closely when he realised he couldn't break Tucker down in the same way he broke Thomas and Berbick before him. It wasn't the jab necissarily that gave Tyson problems it was fast countering and with straight rights and uppercuts down the middle that stopped mike from walking right through him.. Tucker had a long layoff after that fight i think because he put so much into the fight he felt disheartened with boxing and his father selling a massive portion of his contract behind his back, Tony started to wonder what it was all about..

bigcat was tyson undertrained for the tucker fight?.

[Bigcat]

I always stood steadfast in one of my oldest theories that Mike would have struggled more against fighters in his own mould.. I remember how it took so long to get Orlin Norris acknowledged as a contender even though he rose from a rank 30 heavy to ranked 5 challenger after beating Larry Alexander for the NABF and keeping it for a very long period ....... Mike had a few opportunities to make a Norris fight happen but decided to decline.. even when he boxed Orlin it was a bad ending to what could have been a interesting technical fight at the time..

[celtic tiger]

I think after Tyson shared top billing when he faced Thomas, and TNT beat Douglas and looked quite shoddy in doing it , Mike saw Tucker as easy pickings and overlooked his natural skills and athletesism.. When the fight happened the odds were very long and a win over Tucker were a mere formality.. But a different and highly motivated Tucker showed up and from the 1st round stamped authority on Mikes game showing him that he meant business. Tucker boxed very well that night and Mike had fits of trouble all the way through the fight if you watch it closely when he realised he couldn't break Tucker down in the same way he broke Thomas and Berbick before him. It wasn't the jab necissarily that gave Tyson problems it was fast countering and with straight rights and uppercuts down the middle that stopped mike from walking right through him.. Tucker had a long layoff after that fight i think because he put so much into the fight he felt disheartened with boxing and his father selling a massive portion of his contract behind his back, Tony started to wonder what it was all about..

I always stood steadfast in one of my oldest theories that Mike would have struggled more against fighters in his own mould.. I remember how it took so long to get Orlin Norris acknowledged as a contender even though he rose from a rank 30 heavy to ranked 5 challenger after beating Larry Alexander for the NABF and keeping it for a very long period ....... Mike had a few opportunities to make a Norris fight happen but decided to decline.. even when he boxed Orlin it was a bad ending to what could have been a interesting technical fight at the time..

bigcat was tyson under trained for the tucker fight?.

[ripcity]

Good post.
I think it also to a point dispels the notion that Tyson struggled against tall fighters. Green, Tucker, Ribalta, Biggs etc. all stood 6'5" or more.

The guy Tyson struggled most with was Holyfield, and he was only 6'2". He also looked quite poor against Buster Mathis jnr, who wasn't even 6 feet tall.
Tyson was well past his best when he faced Holyfield and Mathis Jr.

[Unforgiven]

I always stood steadfast in one of my oldest theories that Mike would have struggled more against fighters in his own mould.. I remember how it took so long to get Orlin Norris acknowledged as a contender even though he rose from a rank 30 heavy to ranked 5 challenger after beating Larry Alexander for the NABF and keeping it for a very long period ....... Mike had a few opportunities to make a Norris fight happen but decided to decline.. even when he boxed Orlin it was a bad ending to what could have been a interesting technical fight at the time..

Norris was technically very good but neither much of a "name" nor simple enough to market to have made him a sensible fight for a prime Tyson. He was respected by boxing purists, but he fought in a manner that went against the grain of what was expected of men of his build. It's easier to sell a challenger like Frank Bruno, all muscle, long arms and power despite his shortcomings, or Carl Williams - again tall, slick, with a long jab to keep Tyson off (in theory) despite a suspect chin - rather than Norris, who could only really look attractive in the fight by at the same time making Tyson look bad.

I agree, Tyson probably finds short opponents awkward, and seemed to have no problem with tall ones from where I was sitting anyway. His style was built around dismantling bigger men.

[zadfrak]

Not really. When you look at any of the ko results guys, what you see is an opponent list of guys with a leaky defense. Norris, like Mathis even, didn't have a leaky defense but they didn't posess the firepower to prevent a Tyson from continuing to wing away. sooner or later something is going to get thru.

[Bummy Davis]

Tucker was a good win and Tony was a big skilled fighter. I remember a good uppercut Tucker landed early and it kept Mike honest for the rest of the fight but I thought Mike made a good adjustment and did what he had to do to win without taking too much risk..Mike had a good mindset and was headed in the right direction

[ChrisPontius]

This is true, Tucker barely tried to win, after about three rounds his eyes lit up at the idea of a Loss by Decision rather than KO.

You should write Tucker's first biography.

Some suggested titles:

"How i beat Douglas while trying to lose"

"Becoming mandatory challenger three times by beating Frankie Swindell"

"How the idea of a broken right hand and losing a decision to Tyson aroused me"

[Chris Warren]

Tony Tucker was a good fighter but he wasnt great and he still gave Tyson problems. Beating Tucker doesnt prove anything Tyson, Tucker was hurt like you people said and he was a Don King controlled fighter so who knows if he let Tyson beat him or not. Bruce Seldon surely did.

[mochabuzz]

You should write Tucker's first biography.

Some suggested titles:

"How i beat Douglas while trying to lose"

"Becoming mandatory challenger three times by beating Frankie Swindell"

"How the idea of a broken right hand and losing a decision to Tyson aroused me"

:lol:

[Muchmoore]

Good post.
I think it also to a point dispels the notion that Tyson struggled against tall fighters. Green, Tucker, Ribalta, Biggs etc. all stood 6'5" or more.

The guy Tyson struggled most with was Holyfield, and he was only 6'2". He also looked quite poor against Buster Mathis jnr, who wasn't even 6 feet tall.

Good points. I feel less confident picking Tyson over guys his height than against guys 6'4 or 6'5. Yeah, Tucker, Smith, Green went the distance but they were strong fighters with granite chins that fought to go the distance, it's near impossible to stop guys like that.

[Muchmoore]

Interesting tidbit about this fight is that Tyson during the course of events ripped the nail off his big toe. Apparently his boot was caked in blood afterwards.

Yeah, this was due to Tyson's trademark black boots with no socks.

After this fight he wore socks, but ones that didn't come up over his boots so he could keep up the image ;)

[Rubber Warrior]

And Tucker had a broken hand coming into that fight. He was a very good fighter when he was straight. Drug problems probably kept him from accomplishing more.

Agreed. Tucker never lived up to his true potential.

[Muchmoore]

Tucker had it all physically. Tall fighter with a good reach, one of the best movers in history for his size, and could take a wallop. His power was nothing fantastic but he did get Tyson's attention with an uppercut so he could crack.

He just never had that IT. Motivation, drugs, bad luck etc. hampered what could of been a good career. Had Spinks fought Tucker I think we'd have seen a new champion.

[Silver]

Good points. I feel less confident picking Tyson over guys his height than against guys 6'4 or 6'5. Yeah, Tucker, Smith, Green went the distance but they were strong fighters with granite chins that fought to go the distance, it's near impossible to stop guys like that.not only that, they fought to survive, not win. had they fought tyson differently, they pobably would have been koed.

[MRBILL]

very forgotten about and underrated performance. for all those who say that buster douglas was the first guy to give tyson trouble want to watch this fight.

tucker really did box lovely for the first 6 rounds. he landed some lovely right hands and uppercuts

tyson showed great patience to overcome tuckers slickness and skills


The fight of '87 is still boring after the first round. Tucker claims he hurt his hand, but Tucker always had an excuse for losing his big fights....
:deal

MR.BILL

[rm36]

Yeah, that's true. Savaresse was another really tall guy Tyson sparked with no problem, and if we're not fussy about the quality of the opponent, so was Sam Scaff.

Okay, that one hardly counts, but still...:D

11th Commandment: Thou shalt not bring up Sammy Scaff as if he were a legitimate opponent...for anyone.

[lefthook31]

The fight of '87 is still boring after the first round. Tucker claims he hurt his hand, but Tucker always had an excuse for losing his big fights....
:deal

MR.BILL
Mike Katz told me Tucker told him his hand was broken before the fight. Take it for what its worth. I dont think Tucker could have ever beaten Tyson at his best, but overall he was a very good fighter during his prime. I dont believe the fighters that held and survived were scared of Tyson but more lost of a way to win or get anything done. Tucker was a tough fighter who tried, but just had no answer for Tysons speed and elusiveness. Same with Bonecrusher. Ribalta was one of the very few fighters that actually fought Tyson and made it into the later rounds, but he certainly paid a big price for it.

[mrbassie]

Mike Katz told me Tucker told him his hand was broken before the fight. Take it for what its worth. I dont think Tucker could have ever beaten Tyson at his best, but overall he was a very good fighter during his prime. I dont believe the fighters that held and survived were scared of Tyson but more lost of a way to win or get anything done. Tucker was a tough fighter who tried, but just had no answer for Tysons speed and elusiveness. Same with Bonecrusher. Ribalta was one of the very few fighters that actually fought Tyson and made it into the later rounds, but he certainly paid a big price for it.

That's a very good point actually, Tyson was very hard to hit and very hard to defend against.

[josak]

That's a very good point actually, Tyson was very hard to hit and very hard to defend against.

Yep he also had a tendency of making his opponents look very awkward, like in the Smith fight. Tyson's style is all about breaking down traditional boxers, making their jab useless and countering every shot they throw. Most of his opponents weren't used to fighting a guy like that.

[The Mongoose]

Tyson was well past his best when he faced Holyfield and Mathis Jr.

And Holyfield was considered damaged goods, losing to Moorer and being brutally stopped by Bowe in poor performances where he looked like a faded shadow of his former self. It goes both ways. Nevermind Tyson was still looking impressive in his second run and most understandably picked him to demolish the broken down Evander.

[jaffay]

And Tucker had a broken hand coming into that fight. He was a very good fighter when he was straight. Drug problems probably kept him from accomplishing more.

Heard that he broke it in 4th round...

[lefthook31]

Heard that he broke it in 4th round...
It was fractured before the fight. Read here...

BoxingInsider.com: Your next fight you took on Mike Tyson. Were you 100% for
that fight?
Tony Tucker: My right hand was broken when I fought him I knew Tyson
couldn’t beat me. A couple days before I was sparring against
a guy named Young Joe Louis. This guy was doing a lot of
talking bad about me. I heard this from my sparring partners.
So I chose him to spar against first because I was gonna put
him down. I was hitting him real good when I heard a pop in my
hand When I went back to the corner I knew I had hurt it bad.
The doctor said I had a small hand fracture. They said I would
need therapy and to not use it for ten days. I had to fight Tyson
in less than that. I went in determined though. I was very
apprehensive to attack Tyson due to the hand. I hit him with a
right uppercut early and my hand just shattered. It was the
worst pain ever. I still went on though, that’s why I did all those
antics and everything. I was supposed to beat this guy, but
how could I with one hand. With two hands I would have
knocked Mike Tyson out.

[SpanishArcher]

. With two hands I would have
knocked Mike Tyson out.

Sure he would. :lol: Any written proof of this fracture? Otherwise I call it bullshit. If he had actually FOUGHT Tyson instead he would get ktfo. :deal

[Rubber Warrior]

Sure he would. :lol: Any written proof of this fracture? Otherwise I call it bullshit. If he had actually FOUGHT Tyson instead he would get ktfo. :deal

It was in Tucker's best interest to box Tyson. If he had fought Tyson's fight...that wouldn't have been good ring generalship, to state the very least.

Need a man fight another man's fight to prove himself? That wouldn't be boxing.

[lefthook31]

Sure he would. :lol: Any written proof of this fracture? Otherwise I call it bullshit. If he had actually FOUGHT Tyson instead he would get ktfo. :deal
I dont doubt his hand was hurt, but I dont believe he could have ever beaten Tyson. You should know by now, all fighters talk sh*t.

[ChrisPontius]

It was fractured before the fight. Read here...

BoxingInsider.com: Your next fight you took on Mike Tyson. Were you 100% for
that fight?
Tony Tucker: My right hand was broken when I fought him I knew Tyson
couldn’t beat me. A couple days before I was sparring against
a guy named Young Joe Louis. This guy was doing a lot of
talking bad about me. I heard this from my sparring partners.
So I chose him to spar against first because I was gonna put
him down. I was hitting him real good when I heard a pop in my
hand When I went back to the corner I knew I had hurt it bad.
The doctor said I had a small hand fracture. They said I would
need therapy and to not use it for ten days. I had to fight Tyson
in less than that. I went in determined though. I was very
apprehensive to attack Tyson due to the hand. I hit him with a
right uppercut early and my hand just shattered. It was the
worst pain ever. I still went on though, that’s why I did all those
antics and everything. I was supposed to beat this guy, but
how could I with one hand. With two hands I would have
knocked Mike Tyson out.

It was actually a left uppercut that he landed early, not a right handed one. A great one.

[MRBILL]

Tucker never thrilled me at all............ He was losing his biggest win to Buster Douglas in May of 1987, until Douglas ran outta gas and quit.......

Tucker lost to Tyson and drew with McCall that set-up his title shot at Lewis in 1993, in which Tucker lost..... Then Tucker choked against Seldon in 1995 on PPV to close out his career so to speak..........

Tucker was good but never close to greatness.........

MR.BILL

[mr. magoo]

Tucker never thrilled me at all............ He was losing his biggest win to Buster Douglas in May of 1987, until Douglas ran outta gas and quit.......

Tucker lost to Tyson and drew with McCall that set-up his title shot at Lewis in 1993, in which Tucker lost..... Then Tucker choked against Seldon in 1995 on PPV to close out his career so to speak..........

Tucker was good but never close to greatness.........

MR.BILL

I agree with the first half of your statement about him not being that impressive. But, as for the losses that he later had to Seldon, etc.. I don't think those should be held too heavily against him.

[MRBILL]

I agree with the first half of your statement about him not being that impressive. But, as for the losses that he later had to Seldon, etc.. I don't think those should be held too heavily against him.


I do........ Tucker was around 38 at the time of his loss to Seldon, but, he had King pulling for him to win.... I think Tucker was slightly favored to beat Seldon in '95.?.? I taped the fight..... I recall how Tucker cried everybody a river after he was stopped by Seldon..........

MR.BILL

[Jaws]

It was fractured before the fight. Read here...

BoxingInsider.com: Your next fight you took on Mike Tyson. Were you 100% for
that fight?
Tony Tucker: My right hand was broken when I fought him I knew Tyson
couldn’t beat me. A couple days before I was sparring against
a guy named Young Joe Louis. This guy was doing a lot of
talking bad about me. I heard this from my sparring partners.
So I chose him to spar against first because I was gonna put
him down. I was hitting him real good when I heard a pop in my
hand When I went back to the corner I knew I had hurt it bad.
The doctor said I had a small hand fracture. They said I would
need therapy and to not use it for ten days. I had to fight Tyson
in less than that. I went in determined though. I was very
apprehensive to attack Tyson due to the hand. I hit him with a
right uppercut early and my hand just shattered. It was the
worst pain ever. I still went on though, that’s why I did all those
antics and everything. I was supposed to beat this guy, but
how could I with one hand. With two hands I would have
knocked Mike Tyson out.

There are a bunch of holes in this.

He didn't start attempting any antics until far, far into the fight. He also didn't bring up that his "hand just shattered" during the fight in the interview immediately following the fight. He didn't seem to be in any pain at all. I've had "boxer's fracture" in my hand from shattering it after punching a door. The pain is incredible. I only recall Tucker yelling to Tyson to "Find Jesus!"

Also, boxers don't go into a fight unless they are pretty close to 100%. Why would you put your title on the line if you have a BROKEN HAND?! If it was something serious, he would have postponed it.

[mochabuzz]

Also, boxers don't go into a fight unless they are pretty close to 100%. Why would you put your title on the line if you have a BROKEN HAND?! If it was something serious, he would have postponed it.

Tucker didn't postpone the fight because he had his dice in a vice so to speak. Lots of 'promoters' & other businessmen (Kushner, Kornberg, Rappaport, etc) were taking all sorts of money for getting him a shot at the WBC/WBA crown... if tucker postponed he would have been in a world of financial hurt... plus his dad was ripping him off.... I felt sorry for what tucker had to put up with during this time in his career.:?

[josak]

Tucker fought the only fight he could against tyson. He did a good enough job to at least stay stay alive for the full 12 rounds. No way he was going to beat or 'knock him out.'

[sauhund II]

I do........ Tucker was around 38 at the time of his loss to Seldon, but, he had King pulling for him to win.... I think Tucker was slightly favored to beat Seldon in '95.?.? I taped the fight..... I recall how Tucker cried everybody a river after he was stopped by Seldon..........

MR.BILL
To be fair, he was stopped by the ring doctor due to some serious swelling, not like Rahman but close. He thought he should have been allowed to continue .