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boxingcar
09-08-2007, 04:23 PM
SOOOOOO....WHOOO was right?....huh? Whoooo?
:lol:
I was!...
check it for yourself
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So , ok , I predicted Kongo by KO...it wasn't a KO but he still won.
And do you know why i fucking knew it in advance?
Because the guy who got owned by Gonzaga (fluke or not is irrelevant)..
was just a poor man's version of the original.
the guy's career is over. he's past his prime.
NO SURPRISES , here..
same thing happened to tyson's career..
only this is in mma...
The likes of Gonzaga and Kongo are nobodies (no offense to their fans)
and they had no problems beating this guy.
He's just a name now...nothing more.
Suddenly fedor's (eventual) fight against Gilbert Yvel looks a bit more legit now doesn't it?...afterall , Yvel Tkoed Kongo in the past , so why not right?
geppy
09-08-2007, 04:26 PM
Who the F%ck is Kongo as a kickboxer? Mirko is out kickboxed by this guy in stand up, indeed , he is done.
boxingcar
09-08-2007, 04:29 PM
Who the F%ck is Kongo as a kickboxer? Mirko is out kickboxed by this guy in stand up, indeed , he is done.
compared to crocop? he's no one.
but not just in kickboxing...in mma too.
but hey , same goes for gonzaga.
the real problem isn't these guys , it's crocop himself..
the guy's career is dead.
the sad thing is that he's not allowed to retire because he needs to finish his contract.
(or give the money back maybe?)
mann187
09-08-2007, 06:39 PM
All my picks correct except outcomes and yeah Cro Cop needs to think where his career going
RAMPAGE is the man - next rematch with Rua or Silva
hopkinsfan07
09-08-2007, 06:54 PM
here was my picks
Quinton Jackson TKO/3
Michael Bisping TKO/2
Cheick Kongo Decision
Houston Alexander KO/1
Marcus Davis sub/1
not bad eh
boxingcar
09-08-2007, 09:30 PM
here was my picks
Quinton Jackson TKO/3
Michael Bisping TKO/2
Cheick Kongo Decision
Houston Alexander KO/1
Marcus Davis sub/1
not bad eh
not bad at all :thumbsup
Donut62
09-08-2007, 09:50 PM
Who the F%ck is Kongo as a kickboxer? M
A muay thai champion, and Mirko is allergic to the clinch. Anyone who knew shit about these two called this a bad match up for Cro Cop since day one, and just hoped that his experience would pay off.
Man I dont even want to watch this fight knowing Cro Cop loses badly.
geppy
09-08-2007, 10:07 PM
Man I dont even want to watch this fight knowing Cro Cop loses badly.
Me too, Jesus christ I aint watching this shit. I am pissed off.
Henderson lost too after he ran out of stanima and gave away the late rounds, it sounds. That is just fucking great.
Me too, Jesus christ I aint watching this shit. I am pissed off.
Henderson lost too after he ran out of stanima and gave away the late rounds, it sounds. That is just fucking great.
I like both fighters in that fight.
But Ive been a fan of CroCop but it seems like hes been giving up or not taking fights seriously.
its not that he's given up. Crocop needs to adapt. His styles and weakness has been figured out. Force him backward and watch out for the left kick or left cross. That is 90% of Ccrocop's weapon.
He's a one dimensional fighter who specialized in fighting wrestlers kind of like Liddell does. It's amazing he was as successfull as he was. I think because of his highlight reel head kicks it made him out to be a little over rated. In 3 rounds against Kongo he only threw a couple kicks and handfull of punches.
No, he's past his prime. You think Kongo and Gonzaga are gonna figure out his striking but all the top notch kickboxers he beat in K-1 didn't? I think not. He is just done, he has no heart and is nothing like he used to be. He's a bum now.
K1 is close but not the same as MMA. You don't get pounded in a take down like you do in MMA. In both his last two fight he was hurt while on his back. He's not done. He just needs to re-tool his fighting style.
his best moments were when he had Kongo on the ground, he did squat for 3 rounds on his feet, he just walked around with a dumb look on his face.
Beebs
09-09-2007, 12:28 AM
He has terrible gamplans really, refused to take the fight to the ground when it was apparant he wasn't going to win on the feet.
Came out looking for one big left hand and never bothered to adapt.
Hate me for it, but I think this at least somewhat diminishes some of the former Pride HW's reputations, Gonzaga and Kongo both looked better against Mirko than Fedor, and Barnett lost 3 times to him, just something to consider.
I have considered that and mentioned CC was like Chuck of ufc where he specialized against wrestlers.
yogster740
09-09-2007, 12:40 AM
my almost respect...........its been a f'n rollercoaster, our boy Cro Cop reached the top...now it might be the decline...its all good....
yogster740
09-09-2007, 12:42 AM
his best moments were when he had Kongo on the ground, he did squat for 3 rounds on his feet, he just walked around with a dumb look on his face.
I know...WTF.....what the fugk happened to his hands????
WiDDoW_MaKeR
09-09-2007, 12:44 AM
People simply have the confidence against him now. He has that straight left, and that brutal high kick... but what is his plan when that doesn't work? He doesn't seem to have one. He gets completely flustered, and timid.
Rock0052
09-09-2007, 12:45 AM
He's not taking UFC fighting seriously...he doesn't even train in a cage. That sounds like a guy who's already got one foot out of the sport to me.
Crocop looked like he was comatose in this fight.
Kongo is big and awkward with long arms and legs, and he's strong and hard to control, which I think neutralized crocop a lot, but who can expect to win a fight if they do practically nothing at all, like crocop did tonight? He looked absolutely terrible.
yogster740
09-09-2007, 01:02 AM
i don't know...it could be cause of the over expersure, everybodys studied they're tapes.......yup
WiDDoW_MaKeR
09-09-2007, 01:14 AM
He's not taking UFC fighting seriously...he doesn't even train in a cage. That sounds like a guy who's already got one foot out of the sport to me.
That excuse doesn't work anymore. He trains in a cage now, and trained hard as hell for this fight.
yogster740
09-09-2007, 01:38 AM
yea .......oh well .....he's got 1 more fight in the contrect??...
IntentionalButt
09-09-2007, 01:41 AM
Me too, Jesus christ I aint watching this shit. I am pissed off.
Henderson lost too after he ran out of stanima and gave away the late rounds, it sounds. That is just fucking great.
Both guys were tired by the third due to the pace. Henderson won the first; the third was dead even. Jackson won 2, 4, and 5 clearly. He outcontrolled, outmaneuvered, overpowered and just plain outfought Dan.
Blaze
09-09-2007, 05:54 AM
Both guys were tired by the third due to the pace. Henderson won the first; the third was dead even. Jackson won 2, 4, and 5 clearly. He outcontrolled, outmaneuvered, overpowered and just plain outfought Dan.
I score it the same... Rampage won decisively, out hussle Dan on the ground.
Club Fighter
09-09-2007, 10:55 AM
Did cro cop die or something?
IntentionalButt
09-09-2007, 11:00 AM
Did cro cop die or something?
Career did.
Club Fighter
09-09-2007, 11:14 AM
Career did.
People are not over that quickly. I swear there are a bunch of fairweather fans now. Give him some time before you count him out. Kongo was a tough matchup for Cro Cop and Cro Cop didn't use octagon intelligence and take him to the ground much. That was his major fault, a fault from which he can recover quite soon.
Club Fighter
09-09-2007, 11:27 AM
Why the hell would he take Kongo to the ground? Answer that. Octagon intelligence? Cro Cop is known as the best striker in MMA, and he gets outstruck by fucking Cheick Kongo. He's not what he used to be, face it. If he is forced to take him to the ground, you know right then he is not what he used to be.
And yeah, he is over, he's said he was thinking about retiring for a while now, in fact he said he would retire in 06 if he didn't win the OWGP. After two straight losses to the level he's been facing, he will surely retire after his next fight, as his contract will have been up. He's not even close to what he used to be, that's just how it is.
Simple. Because Kongo is a pure striker who can't fight on his back. That's where Cro Cop's most damage was done but the bell sounded to end the round before he could really inflict anything serious. Cro Cop is facing a striker who is taller with more reach and no ground game and you wanna know why he should take it to the mat? It is apparent that you did not see the fight. Watch it before you pose dumb questions.
but CC doesn't have great take downs, he was fortunate to get CK down, the last thing he would want would be to catch a knee in the chin or kick trying to use a takedown in which isn't his specialty.
Club Fighter
09-09-2007, 12:02 PM
I didn't, that's true. But the bottom line is, like I said, if Cro Cop has to take the fight to the mat, it is obvious he's not what he once was, as he has faced and beaten bigger and better strikers than this before. He is officially done as a top notch fighter, and I noticed you had nothing to say to the second part, as he is certainly finished, he's not gonna bounce back from this.
So you want me to say that Cro Cop is effectively done as a top rank competitive fighter? I don't totally believe that. I think it will be 10 times harder for him to win his next bouts as the airs of intimidation and near invincibility that he possessed are now lost which will certainly discourage Cro Cop and boost the confidence of ALL of his opponents. This is when we get to see just exactly what kind of a man Cro Cop is made of. If he soldiers on despite this he is the all-time great I suspect he can be. If he gets defeated soundly every time he enters the octagon then it becomes painfully obvious that his reputation greatly exceeded the merit of the man.
yes, you can't take away his accomplishments and what he's done for the sport. It's just hard to see someone at 33 "past his prime" when a guy like Couture at 44, 11 years his elder is at the top of his game.
Club Fighter
09-09-2007, 01:11 PM
yes, you can't take away his accomplishments and what he's done for the sport. It's just hard to see someone at 33 "past his prime" when a guy like Couture at 44, 11 years his elder is at the top of his game.
Very true. A lot of these guys are not "young" and are competing effectively. Henderson, Couture, Liddell, Sherk, Hughes, etc. are all older than Cro Cop and still compete at the upper echelon of this sport. To say that he is past his prime appears to be a cop out. To say that he has encountered some adversity would be more accurate. Like I said, we'll just have to see how he adjusts in his bouts in the future.
the thing is with 1 more fight left on his contract he's likely going to call it a career. after 2 straight loses he would have to win about 3 in a row in order to deserve a title shot. Not to mention would have to beat some top competition, I def think he hangs of his spandex shorts.
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