Reasons why Judah is NOT elite

[RightCross]

Last night Teddy kept saying that Judah had not lost much ground and is still elite.

I disagree. Judah is good as long as everything goes his way. How ofetn in boxing at the elite level does that happen?

last night he dropped 2 rounds to a moderate puerto rican fighter. This guy isnt even a top 100 at welter.

Baldo, a man with average skills by any standard, beat up Judah.

Judah is not mentally as strong as Baldo, this is his greatest weakness and this is why he is not elite. Judah can also not sustain an attack through an entire fight.

Judah has better than average boxing skills, has handspeed and good footwork and a respectable power. What he lacks, mental ability and the ability to sustain an attack and over come adversity over powers his natural gifts.

Discuss;

[RightCross]

I dont think it is his attitude that costs him.

He lacks mental strength.

Cannot overcome adversity

and lacks stamina..physically and mentally

[Lance_Uppercut]

I think some fans, and Atlas in this case, label a fighter ELITE too quickly. I never considered Judah an elite fighter. I save that tag for fighters who win the big fights. Not one who wins the "undisputed title" off one fight against Corey Spinks...

[Toopretty]

Last night Teddy kept saying that Judah had not lost much ground and is still elite.

I disagree. Judah is good as long as everything goes his way. How ofetn in boxing at the elite level does that happen?

last night he dropped 2 rounds to a moderate puerto rican fighter. This guy isnt even a top 100 at welter.

Baldo, a man with average skills by any standard, beat up Judah.

Judah is not mentally as strong as Baldo, this is his greatest weakness and this is why he is not elite. Judah can also not sustain an attack through an entire fight.

Judah has better than average boxing skills, has handspeed and good footwork and a respectable power. What he lacks, mental ability and the ability to sustain an attack and over come adversity over powers his natural gifts.

Discuss;

Actually you are wrong on the crap that Baldomir actually beat up judah..He hurt judah in the 6th or 7th but before that Judah was hitting him at will and winning every round...Baldomir caught Judah with one shot that changed the fight and Judah did not get knocked out but did not mount any offense since then. He had a mental breakdown and was well known that he didnt even train properly for the fight and took baldomir lightly. I guess that never happend to elite fighters...Lennox Lewis:think:think- Rahman ..lol Just b/c you drop one to an ok fighter and Lose to 4 exceptional fighters one in which you avenged your loss does not mean you are shot..Zab would be elite at 140 EASY and dethrone any of them guys.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Actually you are wrong on the crap that Baldomir actually beat up judah..He hurt judah in the 6th or 7th but before that Judah was hitting him at will and winning every round...Baldomir caught Judah with one shot that changed the fight and Judah did not get knocked out but did not mount any offense since then. He had a mental breakdown and was well known that he didnt even train properly for the fight and took baldomir lightly. I guess that never happend to elite fighters...Lennox Lewis:think:think- Rahman ..lol Just b/c you drop one to an ok fighter and Lose to 4 exceptional fighters one in which you avenged your loss does not mean you are shot..Zab would be elite at 140 EASY and dethrone any of them guys.

How did Judah take him lightly if he was winning the whole fight till he got tagged hard? That tells me it wasn't judah taking him lightly, since he was doing great early on. Tells me he's afraid to get KO'd again when hit hard enogh and goes into a shell.

As for Lennox, he is elite becuase he has a BUNCH of major wins. He beat many TOP contenders when there were more HW's then today. Judah didn't. Don't ever compare the two.:patsch

Hatton OWNS Judah BTW...

[bigtime9]

Hatton OWNS Judah BTW...

hatton has never been undisputed anything so go piss in the wind with that:hi:

[Toopretty]

How did Judah take him lightly if he was winning the whole fight till he got tagged hard? That tells me it wasn't judah taking him lightly, since he was doing great early on. Tells me he's afraid to get KO'd again when hit hard enogh and goes into a shell.

As for Lennox, he is elite becuase he has a BUNCH of major wins. He beat many TOP contenders when there were more HW's then today. Judah didn't. Don't ever compare the two.:patsch

Hatton OWNS Judah BTW...


Hatton owns a knockout loss to any slick fighter with more speed and power then him...Collazo made Hatton look like an ABC 123 retard not by being bigger ..stronger...beating him at his own game...no doing simple moves like sliding his right shoulder and countering the all shit out of hatton with Punches that have COLLAZO POWER..Judah does the same thing but he is faster in moving and in hands and has MORE POWER.....LOOK AT HATTON GETTING SCHOOLED
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[ironchamp]

How did Judah take him lightly if he was winning the whole fight till he got tagged hard? That tells me it wasn't judah taking him lightly, since he was doing great early on. Tells me he's afraid to get KO'd again when hit hard enogh and goes into a shell.

As for Lennox, he is elite becuase he has a BUNCH of major wins. He beat many TOP contenders when there were more HW's then today. Judah didn't. Don't ever compare the two.:patsch

Hatton OWNS Judah BTW...

The fact that we was beating Baldomir handily was academic. He was using his elite level talent to outbox and outwork a lesser fighter in Baldomir and when he got caught he held on like a veteran fighter to avoid a KOl loss and in the end he dropped a decision. He was complacent in a fight that he was supposed to win.

Tszyu, Mayweather, Spinks and Cotto are top level talent anyway you slice it. Losing to those men shouldnt detract from one's legacy. He's still active and IMO has a few big wins in his future.

[Lance_Uppercut]

hatton has never been undisputed anything so go piss in the wind with that:hi:

Hatton's biggest win is WAY bigger then Judah's biggest win. And an uneducated racist fuck like you won't change that.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Hatton owns a knockout loss to any slick fighter with more speed and power then him...Collazo made Hatton look like an ABC 123 retard not by being bigger ..stronger...beating him at his own game...no doing simple moves like sliding his right shoulder and countering the all shit out of hatton with Punches that have COLLAZO POWER..Judah does the same thing but he is faster in moving and in hands and has MORE POWER.....LOOK AT HATTON GETTING SCHOOLED
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That's great....but that's Collazo, not Judah.

[Lance_Uppercut]

The fact that we was beating Baldomir handily was academic. He was using his elite level talent to outbox and outwork a lesser fighter in Baldomir and when he got caught he held on like a veteran fighter to avoid a KOl loss and in the end he dropped a decision. He was complacent in a fight that he was supposed to win.

I agree. I just don't buy the "Took him lightly" excuse.

[hopkinsfan07]

judah would beat most top welters


cotto was just to good at low blows

[Lance_Uppercut]

judah would beat most top welters


cotto was just to good at low blows

Judah already lost to Baldomir, Cotto, & Mayweather.

He loses to:

Williams
Margarito
Cintron
Mosley
Ouma (when he gets there)

[sues2nd]

Skills wise...he is definately elite.

Mentally....not so much.

[hopkinsfan07]

Judah already lost to Baldomir, Cotto, & Mayweather.

He loses to:

Williams
Margarito
Cintron
Mosley
Ouma (when he gets there)

idiot Zab hater

no way would he lose to Margo, Cintron, prob Williams and would deff beat Ouma

[knockout]

Damn if only he has the mental part right he would'nt be fighting on espn.

[Lance_Uppercut]

idiot Zab hater

no way would he lose to Margo, Cintron, prob Williams and would deff beat Ouma
:roll:

Zab doesn't have the toughness mentally to withstand what anyone I listed gives him. Get off his nuts child. Zab has talent and fast as hell hands. But boxing is more mental then physical. And Judah's too much of a mental case to beat those guys.

[hopkinsfan07]

:roll:

Zab doesn't have the toughness mentally to withstand what anyone I listed gives him. Get off his nuts child. Zab has talent and fast as hell hands. But boxing is more mental then physical. And Judah's too much of a mental case to beat those guys.

he was alright in his last 3 and them fighters you put up will never hold 3 welterweight titles at once

and dont have the power or skill to beat him

[Lance_Uppercut]

he was alright in his last 3 and them fighters you put up will never hold 3 welterweight titles at once

and dont have the power or skill to beat him
So what? All Zab did to hold those three belts was beat ONE Corey Spinks. That's one fight & win over a guy who hasn't a major win of his own yet.

WHat do you mean don't have the POWER? Did Baldomir have the power with 13 KO in around 60 fights? Or Spinks with just as low a KO %?

It would be different if Zab UNFIED the belts himself over top competition. Hell, Spinks just beat Mayorga and Piccarillo himself. Not exactly Tito, Shane, DLH, Hearns, or SRL when it comes to WW's now is it?