View Full Version : Matt Hamill was robbed.
Burundanga
09-08-2007, 06:38 PM
and Michael "The Cunt" Bisping showed that he is a tool with no class.
hopkinsfan07
09-08-2007, 06:50 PM
your a bit harsh on Bisping there
But Hamill won that fight 2-1 with the last going to Bisping
Doppleganger
09-08-2007, 07:10 PM
Bit harsh indeed but I think Hamill should have gotten the nod too. I couldn't understand that last judge giving all 3 rounds to Bisping - that was fucked.
GazOC
09-08-2007, 07:14 PM
Bisping was shocking after the fight. He shakes the guys hand, gets given a gift decision and THEN starts talking WWF type trash.
Big T
09-08-2007, 07:56 PM
Sounds like boxing. Wow, Roids...Robberys in the ring....what a joke.
geppy
09-08-2007, 10:30 PM
Sounds like the whole card was shit. I not watching this shit.
what ever, go get a soother
Hell its free. Why wouldn't you watch it? The cards were alright as where the fights. I agree that Matt should have goten the decision. He dominated the fight. I gave all 3 to Matt.
round 1 was clearly Hamil,
round 2 was close, either way
round 3 close again, I though Hamill did a bit more.
but Hamil did improve his stand up, and was out striking Bisping badly in the first round
If this fight isn't in england....Bisping loses
Amsterdam
09-08-2007, 11:11 PM
Hell its free. Why wouldn't you watch it? The cards were alright as where the fights. I agree that Matt should have goten the decision. He dominated the fight. I gave all 3 to Matt.
I just saw it, I gave Matt all 3 rounds also. Bullshit decision and Bisping was a joke after the fight.
'Time to go back to wrestling' he said about Hamil. I thought he got dominated by Hamil for most of the bout.
trac209
09-08-2007, 11:13 PM
no kidding frikin limeys
What a fucking dick. Bisping sucks.
Beebs
09-09-2007, 12:01 AM
Absolute fucking joke, cecil peoples continues his effort to ruin the sport.
And you know what? Fuck Bisping, no class, talking shit to a deaf guy....a pure wrestler who beat you up standing, absolute trash, fuck you Bisping.
Hamill looked damn good and had better get more fights because he earned it out there.
trac209
09-09-2007, 12:16 AM
and wtf is with that pussy joe rogan doing when ten seconds before he says hamill has the win and after the bs decision he says nothing about the robbery ,what a butt licking asswipe.
because their not suppose to critisize the judges on air, or very little if they so.
trac209
09-09-2007, 12:27 AM
because their not suppose to critisize the judges on air, or very little if they so.ok but comeon that was brutal
yogster740
09-09-2007, 12:30 AM
jo..that was some bullshit.. close as it was...yea?.......the decisions what?!....lets stop with the money
Big T
09-09-2007, 12:30 AM
It was a good card....for it being free made it better on Spike. I still think he go the shaft in this fight. Like I said, what has been hurting boxing is BS calls, and if MMA starts doing this already, it will hurt the sport also.
Sounds like the whole card was shit. I not watching this shit.
Any man who doesn't like UFC/mma is definitely feminine.:patsch
and Michael "The Cunt" Bisping showed that he is a tool with no class.
I agree completely.
I figured that Bisping would annihilate Hamill, and even felt bad for Matt entering the fight.
But after getting totally owned, instead of showing even an inkling of humbleness,........Bisping shot his mouth off and played to the crowd that he disappointed the whole fight.
The guy is a dick.
In his defense,......he was overconfident, had ALL the pressure fighting in front of his home country.....and he is severely undersized for that weight class.
He shoulda been a true man, and admittted all of that instead of being a donkey pecker.
Not saying he shoulda admitted that he lost, (which he did).., but been just a bit humble and honest.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
09-09-2007, 12:43 AM
I seriously don't understand how Bisping could be given either of the first two rounds. They were not even close. I can see giving Bisping the third based on his activity, and Matt just sort of dragging the fight to the ground while Bisping was going for broke. However... that can't take away the fact that Matt absolutely owned Bisping in the first, and clearly won the second.
The first yeah, but the second was very close, I suggest you rewatch it.
Hamill won. Bisping is a turd
and wtf is with that pussy joe rogan doing when ten seconds before he says hamill has the win and after the bs decision he says nothing about the robbery ,what a butt licking asswipe.
Exactly.
How is any sport to be taken legit, if the damn announcers look past obvious bullshit like that.
Give me Larry Merchant over the "winner's bag licking" Joe Rogan any day.
IntentionalButt
09-09-2007, 12:56 AM
I only came in at the start of the last round. Unless Hamill completely dominated the fight before that, I don't see how it could appropriately be called a robbery.
I only came in at the start of the last round. Unless Hamill completely dominated the fight before that, I don't see how it could appropriately be called a robbery.
You are exactly right.......Hamill completely dominated the first two rounds.
Wasn't even close.
IntentionalButt
09-09-2007, 01:00 AM
Any man who doesn't like UFC/mma is definitely feminine.:patsch
He didn't say he thought UFC or MMA was shit. Just that this card sounded like shit, and did not appeal to him.
Lostmykeys
09-09-2007, 01:03 AM
Yea I just finished watching this fight and Hamil clearly took the first two rounds imo. And then Bispin acted like a bitch post-fight.
Club Fighter
09-09-2007, 01:07 AM
Bisping is a typical delusional English lad with no class. Hamil sustained no damage throughout the course of the fight. The same can not be said for Bisping. And the English lads wonder why American boxers don't wanna fight overseas?!?!?!
Wilhelm
09-09-2007, 01:24 AM
This is getting ridiculous. The first was CLEARLY Hamil's, but the second could have gone either way. The third was also close but I thought Bisping won that one. 3-0 Hamil like that one judge had wasn't crazy, but neither was 2-1 Hamil or 2-1 Bisping for that matter. Hamil's striking clearly bothered Bisping more than visa versa in the first, but it's not as if he pressed an advantage and had Bisping in a lot of trouble or anything. He didn't really do a hell of a lot on the ground either. One of these days Hamil is going to have to actually use the "great wrestling" of his to do something on the ground.
That said, Bisping looked like shit. He stayed in the fight, but he punched pulling back the whole time and just missed with TONS of punches because of it. He also wasted combos on Hamil's guard when the body was wide open. I'd have preferred if he'd have stood his ground and got knocked out than fought that way. Acting like he'd dominated the fight afterwards didn't show much class either. I suspect he won't want to fight Hamil ever again.
yogster740
09-09-2007, 02:35 AM
Hamil should of won if it was honest....close but he dug it out....
Boinko
09-09-2007, 03:07 AM
I went into this fight cheering for Bispig. But, when it was over I was knew Hamill won.
It was a bullshit decision. Plain and simple.
I just hope that the powers that be in the UFC recognize that it was bullshit decision and give Hamill the credit he is due.
yogster740
09-09-2007, 03:29 AM
I went into this fight cheering for Bispig. But, when it was over I was knew Hamill won.
It was a bullshit decision. Plain and simple.
I just hope that the powers that be in the UFC recognize that it was bullshit decision and give Hamill the credit he is due.
well said.....although it was close it was relevent...hallelulaya
bulakenyo
09-09-2007, 06:09 AM
its the "10 point must" system's fault.
UFC should return to their "1 point for a won round" rule.
the crazy judges being given the responsibility to judge rounds as a 10-9 or a 10-8 makes it more confusing.
scurlaruntings
09-09-2007, 06:24 AM
and Michael "The Cunt" Bisping showed that he is a tool with no class.Said that already mate.But then some essex boy came on here and lsated me for it:roll:
Bisping got embarrassed in front of his hometown fans by Hamill. then he decides to embarrass himself after the fight. these fucking no class athletes are becoming way too common. i liked him going into this fight too. but he got owned IMO. dana isn't stupid, i think he will have a rematch on an upcoming card for sure. and Hamill in defeat should what class really is.
Doppleganger
09-09-2007, 07:54 AM
It's Cecil Peoples fault guys. He's the one that gave all 3 rounds to Bisping.
GazOC
09-09-2007, 08:59 AM
its the "10 point must" system's fault.
UFC should return to their "1 point for a won round" rule.
the crazy judges being given the responsibility to judge rounds as a 10-9 or a 10-8 makes it more confusing.
It wouldn't hav made any difference to this fight, they were all 10/9s I think.
Sheehan
09-09-2007, 09:18 AM
Said that already mate.But then some essex boy came on here and lsated me for it:roll:
:hi:
by the way I only been living in Essex for a couple of years, I was born in forest gate and lived in stratford most of my life.
Bit harsh indeed but I think Hamill should have gotten the nod too. I couldn't understand that last judge giving all 3 rounds to Bisping - that was fucked.
i think 1 judge had it 30 - 27 hamill, and the other two 29-28 bisping. no one could have given bisping all three rounds.
i thought bisping was really poor in the first round, the second round was just boring, and the third bisping edged.
This is getting ridiculous. The first was CLEARLY Hamil's, but the second could have gone either way. The third was also close but I thought Bisping won that one. 3-0 Hamil like that one judge had wasn't crazy, but neither was 2-1 Hamil or 2-1 Bisping for that matter. Hamil's striking clearly bothered Bisping more than visa versa in the first, but it's not as if he pressed an advantage and had Bisping in a lot of trouble or anything. He didn't really do a hell of a lot on the ground either. One of these days Hamil is going to have to actually use the "great wrestling" of his to do something on the ground.
That said, Bisping looked like shit. He stayed in the fight, but he punched pulling back the whole time and just missed with TONS of punches because of it. He also wasted combos on Hamil's guard when the body was wide open. I'd have preferred if he'd have stood his ground and got knocked out than fought that way. Acting like he'd dominated the fight afterwards didn't show much class either. I suspect he won't want to fight Hamil ever again.
completely agree there. if hamill hadn't kept letting bisping get up and really taken advantage of bisping's nervousness, he would have won comfortably.
with only three rounds to score, it doesn't take a genius to work out you have to win two rounds comfortably to be sure of a decision. but hamill took his foot off the gas after R1 and bisping got the nod in the end.
GazOC
09-09-2007, 10:01 AM
Yep, the 30-27 card was for Hamil not Bisping.
Doppleganger
09-09-2007, 10:43 AM
i think 1 judge had it 30 - 27 hamill, and the other two 29-28 bisping. no one could have given bisping all three rounds.
i thought bisping was really poor in the first round, the second round was just boring, and the third bisping edged.
Oh, I guess I picked that up wrong then. I agree with you in that Bisping won the last round but I gave the 1st 2 rounds to Hamill.
I had Hamill winning that fight 2-1, and he absolutely beat the hell out of Bis in that first round. Bisping is NOT a good fighter at 205, and I can't stand his attitude. I say Bisping takes on Houston Alexander next. Good night, tea and crumpits boy.
scurlaruntings
09-09-2007, 11:07 AM
:hi:
by the way I only been living in Essex for a couple of years, I was born in forest gate and lived in stratford most of my life.Matters not as your still a cock sucker.
hopkinsfan07
09-09-2007, 11:24 AM
and wtf is with that pussy joe rogan doing when ten seconds before he says hamill has the win and after the bs decision he says nothing about the robbery ,what a butt licking asswipe.
too true
bisping di mma and the ufc franchise a huge disservice after the result....a bit of humility and respect for hammil, who was clearly the better man on the night, wouldnt have gona amiss.....christ, bisping was even intimating to the crowd after the fight that he thought it was very close before the bs result was announced......exposed as a second tier fighter with a terrible attitude.....let him get in with randy and say go back to wrestling.....:lol:
Smith
09-09-2007, 12:15 PM
Absolute fucking joke, cecil peoples continues his effort to ruin the sport.
And you know what? Fuck Bisping, no class, talking shit to a deaf guy....a pure wrestler who beat you up standing, absolute trash, fuck you Bisping.
Hamill looked damn good and had better get more fights because he earned it out there.
Fuck that, im fucking tired of hearing that classless cunt Hamill is deaf and so on, if he's fucking man enough to get in the ring and talk trash himself, he is fucking man enough to be dealt with trash his way.Why the fuck should Bisping pitty-patter around the boy, because he's deaf?FUCK THAT!!!No fucking sympathy, this is a blood sport, deal with it!
And whats with all of you saying Hamill outclassed Bisping, not from where i was standing! Yes Hamill was the bigger man, yes the first round was his, but did he do anything, really?No....
Now Michael took a while to get into it, but he was the one that was always throwing, and if any of you doubt his ability to get out of bad situations you need your eyes examined.Matt could not keep him in any sort of control, and the two punches the limited Matt did land did not flinch Michael at all, so why the fuck the outcrie for a Matt win. I personally saw it as a draw, but could understand why the win was given to Michael for his work ethic.
Bisping needs to go down to 185 though, he's far too small.
BewareofDawg
09-09-2007, 12:16 PM
and Michael "The Cunt" Bisping showed that he is a tool with no class.
I couldn't say it better myself. There is absolutely no way Bisping won either 1 of the first 2. I lost a lot of respect for bisping after the way he acted, and gained a lot for Hammill. Hammill took that bullshit decision with a lot of class. :deal
fightercraig
09-09-2007, 12:21 PM
I must say I was surprised at the decision, I myself thought Hamill won although it was close. Perhaps a draw would have been fairer.
What did shock me though was Bisping's attitude after the fight. Hamill clearly gave him what must be one of the closest fights of his career, and to not even acknowledge that and wave a hand at him and say "back to wrestling" was incredibly bad sportsmanship.
I think its bad for Bisping and the sport, especially in light of the bad press and the UFC's efforts to promote the fighters as sportsmanlike.
This arguement will probably turn into a UK v American thing, and I can understand everyone trying to stand up for a British fighter but I've lost a lot of respect for Bisping and so have many people, which I think is sad.
I know they don't like each other and Bisping was under pressure to perform for a home crowd, also fired up right after the fight, but even he must have realised how close it was and how much Hamill had improved.
I think he lost a great opportunitty for himself and MMA in general. If he'd said something like "It was a close one, Matt's really improved, respect to the guy, etc" I think it would be a different story today. He should have been Randy Couture instead of Tank Abbott.
I'm just dis-appointed.
amhlilhaus
09-09-2007, 12:28 PM
close decisions are a way of life, don't want close decisions then finish your man, and hamill didn't do enough to dominate to the point where he won over the crowd which made it easier for the judges to screw him. it's just the way it is, thought bisping was a cock but that's up to him.
hamill needs plenty of work, his dropping his hands, his shoots were sloppy later in the fight and the oh so important submission game, along with more gas and he could be really dangerous.
Burundanga
09-09-2007, 01:46 PM
Bisping vs Tito please. Would be logical move for the UFC matchmaker. Bisping accused Tito of playing favorites with Hamill on the TUF show.
Maybe Matt erroneously let Bisping up but you can rest assured that Tito would elbow him to into oblivion.
BewareofDawg
09-09-2007, 02:05 PM
Bisping vs Tito please. Would be logical move for the UFC matchmaker. Bisping accused Tito of playing favorites with Hamill on the TUF show.
Maybe Matt erroneously let Bisping up but you can rest assured that Tito would elbow him to into oblivion.
Tito isn't what he used to be.....but he would destroy Bisping :deal And I would love to watch it, and then listen to him talk shit to him afterwards :yep :lol:
Tito isn't what he used to be.....but he would destroy Bisping :deal And I would love to watch it, and then listen to him talk shit to him afterwards :yep :lol:
just like you said CC would beat CK but I noticed you havn't said much on those subjects......it's easy to spot off isn't it:deal
but not back it up
ufoalf
09-09-2007, 02:23 PM
Hamill all the way. He took him down almost at will and out gunned him standing up.
BewareofDawg
09-09-2007, 03:10 PM
just like you said CC would beat CK but I noticed you havn't said much on those subjects......it's easy to spot off isn't it:deal
but not back it up
:huh So what? I got that one wrong......WHO DIDN'T PICK CRO COP???? All logic and reason led me to believe Cro would win. First of all, Kongo didn't look that good in his last outing, and I thought Cro Cop would return to previous form, and actually come out with some fucking fire in his eyes. But he didn't.
Whats your problem? Do you think Bisping would beat Ortiz? :nut Or maybe you actually think he won last night? :think You think it was appropriate the way he acted after the fight? He acted like an ass hole, and fought like a B-level fighter........AT BEST :deal
achillesthegreat
09-09-2007, 03:11 PM
Hamil won the first and the next two were close. I'll edge it to Bisping 2-1. Hamil hurt him in the first and was going nuts but in the next two Bisping boxed and looked to score none stop. On occassion when Hamil did take him down nothing happened. I give Bisping credit for avoiding so many takedowns and getting up quite quickly once taken down. Afterall Hamill was supposed to be some really good wrestler.
It's not that he talked shit to a deaf guy but how he did it.
He said "Well, I guess its time to go back to wrestling" and he jetted out of there before someone could tell Hamill what was said.
And another thing, out of respect for Hamill since his voice is quiet they should have someone speak for him if hes not able to be understood (not because hes deaf but because he speaks so low).
achillesthegreat
09-09-2007, 03:36 PM
I think they put a lot of pressure on Hamill to speak. It looked like he was looking around for a speaker. He was respectful and thankfully he talking was ok. He should be ok by himself but he spoke a little low.
It is great to see him in the sport.
GazOC
09-09-2007, 04:10 PM
It's not that he talked shit to a deaf guy but how he did it.
He said "Well, I guess its time to go back to wrestling" and he jetted out of there before someone could tell Hamill what was said.
yep, that pissed me off as well!
Beebs
09-09-2007, 04:26 PM
Fuck that, im fucking tired of hearing that classless cunt Hamill is deaf and so on, if he's fucking man enough to get in the ring and talk trash himself, he is fucking man enough to be dealt with trash his way.Why the fuck should Bisping pitty-patter around the boy, because he's deaf?FUCK THAT!!!No fucking sympathy, this is a blood sport, deal with it!
And whats with all of you saying Hamill outclassed Bisping, not from where i was standing! Yes Hamill was the bigger man, yes the first round was his, but did he do anything, really?No....
Now Michael took a while to get into it, but he was the one that was always throwing, and if any of you doubt his ability to get out of bad situations you need your eyes examined.Matt could not keep him in any sort of control, and the two punches the limited Matt did land did not flinch Michael at all, so why the fuck the outcrie for a Matt win. I personally saw it as a draw, but could understand why the win was given to Michael for his work ethic.
Bisping needs to go down to 185 though, he's far too small.
The deaf thing was more of a practical terms actually can't hear you, so why are you talking shit to him when he can't see you? It's also what he said, "go back to wrestling" well fucker, that wrestler just outstruck you for two rounds, whereas your wrestling is still terrible.
Hamill took him down at will, and outstruck him in the first two rounds, Bisping backpeddled and landed weak punches on Hamills guard.
It's not that he talked shit to a deaf guy but how he did it.
He said "Well, I guess its time to go back to wrestling" and he jetted out of there before someone could tell Hamill what was said.
And another thing, out of respect for Hamill since his voice is quiet they should have someone speak for him if hes not able to be understood (not because hes deaf but because he speaks so low).
Yeah, that got to me as well. He acts like he pwned Hamill, when in fact, Hamill pwned him in that first round. He got busted up by that "wrestler" he was making fun of. I hope those two cuts on his face get infected. Bisping better drop down to 185 because he's going to get KTFO as soon as he stops getting fed opponents like Elvis (I mean, seriously) at 205. What an absolute bozo.
achillesthegreat
09-09-2007, 05:12 PM
I was intrigued at how Bisping was exclusively boxing. He tried one kick and one knee and both got him taken down. He sure can move on those twinkle toes - none stop too.
Boinko
09-09-2007, 05:16 PM
Hamill took him down at will, and outstruck him in the first two rounds, Bisping backpeddled and landed weak punches on Hamills guard.
Heh, Bisping got outpunched by a guy who he called the "most one dimensional fighter in the UFC."
Instead of trash talking at the end of the fight, perhaps he should have given Hamill the props he deserved.
I watched the fight again and I just can't see how Bisping could have been given the decision. I'd like to see them fight again, but don't expect Bisping to agree to that. I predict he won't want to get anywhere near Hamill again.
:huh So what? I got that one wrong......WHO DIDN'T PICK CRO COP???? All logic and reason led me to believe Cro would win. First of all, Kongo didn't look that good in his last outing, and I thought Cro Cop would return to previous form, and actually come out with some fucking fire in his eyes. But he didn't.
Whats your problem? Do you think Bisping would beat Ortiz? :nut Or maybe you actually think he won last night? :think You think it was appropriate the way he acted after the fight? He acted like an ass hole, and fought like a B-level fighter........AT BEST :deal
There was a few of us that didn't pick CC, too bad this wasn't the 2oo5 owgp. and why are you going on about bisping? after watching him last night it's apperent he's not going to win a belt anytime soon, 185 would be his best bet.
BewareofDawg
09-09-2007, 05:28 PM
There was a few of us that didn't pick CC, too bad this wasn't the 2oo5 owgp. and why are you going on about bisping? after watching him last night it's apperent he's not going to win a belt anytime soon, 185 would be his best bet.
I used to like Bisping and root for him. I'm just kind of dissapointed in his behavior, thats all. Also, I felt Hamill clearly won the fight.
yeah, he should have been a little humble with a win like that. Hamill was very humble in defeat even though he should have won it. I was impressed with Hamill, especially with his stand up. His hands have improved alot since the tuf and looked strong as well. I dissed him before the fight but now I give my props... the guy will be a handfull for anybody
BewareofDawg
09-09-2007, 05:40 PM
yeah, he should have been a little humble with a win like that. Hamill was very humble in defeat even though he should have won it. I was impressed with Hamill, especially with his stand up. His hands have improved alot since the tuf and looked strong as well. I dissed him before the fight but now I give my props... the guy will be a handfull for anybody
Same here. This fight flip-flopped my attitude towards both these guys. Both are good. Hamill has to get more comfortable and confident on the ground though :deal
fatcity
09-09-2007, 07:12 PM
Looks like "home town cooking" has invaded the UFC as well.What does the Dork,Dana have to say about this?:lol:
This is getting ridiculous. The first was CLEARLY Hamil's, but the second could have gone either way. The third was also close but I thought Bisping won that one. 3-0 Hamil like that one judge had wasn't crazy, but neither was 2-1 Hamil or 2-1 Bisping for that matter. Hamil's striking clearly bothered Bisping more than visa versa in the first, but it's not as if he pressed an advantage and had Bisping in a lot of trouble or anything. He didn't really do a hell of a lot on the ground either. One of these days Hamil is going to have to actually use the "great wrestling" of his to do something on the ground.
That said, Bisping looked like shit. He stayed in the fight, but he punched pulling back the whole time and just missed with TONS of punches because of it. He also wasted combos on Hamil's guard when the body was wide open. I'd have preferred if he'd have stood his ground and got knocked out than fought that way. Acting like he'd dominated the fight afterwards didn't show much class either. I suspect he won't want to fight Hamil ever again.
100% correct on everything.
well put... but the only way Bisping deserved to win that fight was because it was in England.
Donut62
09-09-2007, 07:54 PM
Give Bisping to Sokodjou, like he was calling for. That will sort him out might quick.
Give Bisping to Sokodjou, like he was calling for. That will sort him out might quick.
Yeah exactly.
Serve that trash talking Brit with the undefeated record, up to Sokodjou OR Houston Alexander.
His attitude would change,......I guarantee it.
juancho214
09-09-2007, 08:28 PM
that was bullshit,and i could of swor Hamill got all three round from a judge ,either was it was ok,the first two fights were ok ,the others sucked,
Renofan
09-09-2007, 08:56 PM
If you watched the fight, you had to know Hamill won it.
Calroid
09-10-2007, 01:19 AM
They should rematch these two, but this time the fight should be in the States. Hamill deserves the rematch. Yeah, it was a garbage decision. I'm originally from England and I have to admit I liked Bisping before this fight. After his classless display he can F**K himself. :yep
IntentionalButt
09-10-2007, 01:27 PM
I saw the last round of the fight but missed the interview, what did he say? Anybody got an exact transcript instead of just "he was being classless"?
ufoalf
09-10-2007, 05:26 PM
I saw the last round of the fight but missed the interview, what did he say? Anybody got an exact transcript instead of just "he was being classless"?
Yea, he was just being classless.
IntentionalButt
09-10-2007, 06:42 PM
Yea, he was just being classless.
:yep
ie. ?
just downplaying hamill, talking himself up?
GazOC
09-10-2007, 06:51 PM
:yep
ie. ?
just downplaying hamill, talking himself up?
Its repeated in the UK on Wednesday, I'll try an get a transcript. He was a real cock (and I'm a Brit!!).
Jovanie
09-10-2007, 07:08 PM
he said "Stick to wrestling".... "I guess we know who the real winner of the ultimate fighter was.... the same as it's always been"
Ramshall1
09-12-2007, 05:26 PM
Hamill clearly won that fight.
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