View Full Version : Junior Witter Wasted Talent
LocoRoco
07-24-2009, 04:36 PM
Does anyone else feel that Witter is a massive underacheiver and had the talent to become world class?
EDIT: OR SHOULD HE HAVE ACHEIVED MORE?
kosaros
07-24-2009, 04:38 PM
He 'is' world class.
GazOC
07-24-2009, 04:39 PM
He is, and has been for the last 10 years or so, world class.
Not a wasted talent at all. Maybe held back a year or so but he has been world class for sometime
LocoRoco
07-24-2009, 04:41 PM
ok i phrashed it wrong, should he have acheived more?
D-MAC
07-24-2009, 04:41 PM
Does anyone else feel that Witter is a massive underacheiver and had the talent to become world class?
Do you mean elite?
Mandanda
07-24-2009, 04:42 PM
He's world class...but i do feel he could of done a bit more then he already has done but maybe that's not all his making. I hope he will become a bit more aggressive against Alexander and uses his jab more. The Bradley fight was a poor display but in hindsight it's understandable.
LocoRoco
07-24-2009, 04:42 PM
Do you mean elite?
yes, it was badly phrased
Betty Swollocks
07-24-2009, 04:45 PM
he's achieved a lot in his boxing career....think about it. No smoke and mirrors bullshit...just a top class fighter.
Shame Hatton never grew the grapes to fight him...that would've seperated hype from reality.
Boro chris
07-24-2009, 04:45 PM
It was a bit unfortunate he fought against Judah when he did. Underprepared and inexperienced. But how often do we complain about prospects being brought along to slowly?
However he was genuine world class and has some nice scalps on his record, in a perfect world he could've done a little bit better but not much. He never had elite level talent imo.
Boro chris
07-24-2009, 04:46 PM
he's achieved a lot in his boxing career....think about it. No smoke and mirrors bullshit...just a top class fighter.
Shame Hatton never grew the grapes to fight him...that would've seperated hype from reality.
fuck off.
LocoRoco
07-24-2009, 04:46 PM
It was a bit unfortunate he fought against Judah when he did. Underprepared and inexperienced. But how often do we complain about prospects being brought along to slowly?
However he was geuine world class and has some nice scalps on his record, in a perfect world he could've done a little bit better but not much. He never had elite level talent imo.
i disagree i feel he did/does have the talent
D-MAC
07-24-2009, 04:46 PM
ok i phrashed it wrong, should he have acheived more?
Yeah definitely.
I think he was judged a bit unfairly on his backfoot performance as late substitute against Judah, and that stain stayed with him a lot longer than it should have, given the circumstances, and turned many of the powerplayers in boxing (as well as would-be fans) away from him.
He had a lot of in-ring antics (like that foot stamping shit), but I would never describe his style as boring, as many others have.
I always liked Witter; not too sure if he could have competed and won at the "very highest" level though.
GazOC
07-24-2009, 04:49 PM
He could have achieved more but he didn't have the "devil" in his work or the personality that the TV companies go for. Seemed to me to be too easily content to coast to a points when when he could have gone for the stoppge.
I know fanbase/ style/ personality is'nt everything and results should be all that counts but in Witters case his lack in the above areas really impacted his career IMHO.
LocoRoco
07-24-2009, 04:50 PM
I know fanbase/ style/ personality is'nt everything and results should be all that counts but in Witters case his lack in the above areas really impacted his career IMHO.
fair point
Mandanda
07-24-2009, 04:51 PM
he's achieved a lot in his boxing career....think about it. No smoke and mirrors bullshit...just a top class fighter.
Shame Hatton never grew the grapes to fight him...that would've seperated hype from reality.
I agree with you. He fought the fighters put in front of him and i personally still to this day believe he would of got rid of Hatton if they fought. I like Junior i never used to in his early days but i started to see a fighter that is fearless and not scared to take on fighters gotta love that attitude.
Losfer_Words
07-24-2009, 04:51 PM
He 'is' world class.
He is, and has been for the last 10 years or so, world class.
Not a wasted talent at all. Maybe held back a year or so but he has been world class for sometime
All of this.^^^
He could have been promoted better but Hatton's avoiding was detrimental to Witter's career as well. IMO, he would have kicked Rees' ass to next year and should have went all out to push that unification fight. He's far from finished, though.
slip&counter
07-24-2009, 04:53 PM
what more could he have achieved? this is not calzaghe we're talking about, for me witter reached his level for a guy who has a lot of fundamental flaws, doesn't punch like a mule with that style of his ala hamed and no big promotion/pub behind him he did all that could be expected, i do think some people overrate him slightly
For a fighter i thought was in the who needs him section i think he has done very well
D-MAC
07-24-2009, 04:54 PM
If Witter beats Alexander and looks back to his best, then I'd love to see him in with Khan for a unification.
Mandanda
07-24-2009, 04:55 PM
If Witter beats Alexander and looks back to his best, then I'd love to see him in with Khan for a unification.
:deal
Boro chris
07-24-2009, 04:56 PM
i disagree i feel he did/does have the talent
I like him. Think he would've beaten Hatton. (Thats very debateable however)
We'll see how he does against Alexander. Hope he wins, think he'd beat Khan and he does deserve a big payday.
Now as much as twats like Betty piss me off with boring hate filled rants, it was a bit annoying that Witter/Hatton never happened.
If he was 'elite' instead of decent worldclass he'd have beaten Judah no matter the circumstances and wouldnt have slipped up against Bradley.
Or had such trouble with Kotelnik.
ApatheticLeader
07-24-2009, 05:09 PM
Witter was never that good and has ridiculously overachieved throughout his career. Mind you, it merely shows how utterly weak the division was.
LocoRoco
07-24-2009, 05:12 PM
Witter was never that good and has ridiculously overachieved throughout his career. Mind you, it merely shows how utterly weak the division was.
Apathetic Comment
I don't think he massively underachieved.
He struggled to get fights for a combination of reasons that have already been mentioned. He could only fight in realistic fights.
As for his performances, he's always a bit hit or miss so I don't believe he underachieved. He beat some okay operators along the way, Kotelnik, N'dou, Harris and Corley. He blew hot and cold so he was always going to lose eventually and that time came against a consistent fighter in Bradley.
Whether he's still got it we'll find out soon.
"TKO"
07-24-2009, 06:18 PM
he's achieved a lot in his boxing career....think about it. No smoke and mirrors bullshit...just a top class fighter.
Shame Hatton never grew the grapes to fight him...that would've seperated hype from reality.
Dear God! No, he just had the grapes to fight four top ten pound for pounders whilst Witter was fighting Fred Kinuthia at the Donny Dome. But Hatton's the one who lacks the stones, that figures. As for the no smoke and mirrors stuff, remind me who was it that said Juan Lazcano (a top ten fighter) was unacceptable as a comeback opponent then proceeded to comeback himself against Victor Who?go Castro! Looks pretty smoke and mirrors to me. Must be day release at the funny farm today!
"TKO"
07-24-2009, 06:23 PM
I don't think he massively underachieved.
He struggled to get fights for a combination of reasons that have already been mentioned. He could only fight in realistic fights.
As for his performances, he's always a bit hit or miss so I don't believe he underachieved. He beat some okay operators along the way, Kotelnik, N'dou, Harris and Corley. He blew hot and cold so he was always going to lose eventually and that time came against a consistent fighter in Bradley.
Whether he's still got it we'll find out soon.
This is a pretty fair analysis.
icemax
07-24-2009, 06:36 PM
Donny Dome.
:blood:-(
"TKO"
07-24-2009, 06:38 PM
:blood:-(
Ha sorry mate, I know that one winds you up was being a bit flippant!
For a fighter i thought was in the who needs him section i think he has done very well
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Fair assessment!!
icemax
07-24-2009, 06:50 PM
Ha sorry mate, I know that one winds you up was being a bit flippant!
:good
he's achieved a lot in his boxing career....think about it. No smoke and mirrors bullshit...just a top class fighter.
Shame Hatton never grew the grapes to fight him...that would've seperated hype from reality.
I knew you'd have to mention Hatton somewhere.:-(
Know i think i speak for everyone when you and Hatton are involved..................FUCK OFF!!
ApatheticLeader
07-25-2009, 06:35 AM
Apathetic Comment
Want to debate it? If not, STFU.
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