Like how Hatton fights?

[Expert]

I dont.

[the_what]

I love it. Him and Cotto look to inflict pain on their opponents. Both try to rough you anyway they can. Cotto by puching at arms and shoulders. Hatton by bumrushing you and using his elbows as weapons on teh inside.

Call me sadistic but I love watching both of them bring the pain.

[markbrooklyn]

Hatton grabs too much and comes in with his head, he also holds and hits alot and NEVER gets warned for it for some reason.. I don't like the way he fights..

[cuchulain]

I love it. Him and Cotto look to inflict pain on their opponents. Both try to rough you anyway they can. Cotto by puching at arms and shoulders. Hatton by bumrushing you and using his elbows as weapons on teh inside.

Call me sadistic but I love watching both of them bring the pain.

Please don't mention Hatton in the same sentence as Cotto.

I didn't think the clinching and grabbing could get any worse after watching John Ruiz for years. Then along came Ricky. He's a nice young man, a Man city supporter I'm told (such a refreshing change from all the hype of United), the kind of bloke you could enjoy a pint and a laugh with. Personable, earnest andr easonably modest.

But alas, I don't see that much boxing skill in the lad. Throw one or two punches and then grab. Repeat until the round ends. Next round, same format. I admit I've only seen him fight five times and the style works for him but he's not entertaining to watch and has no flair for the sport at all.

He has strength and loads of heart. He doesn't back up. He's reasonably fast and moves well.

Against that, he was nearly KO'd by Collazo in a fight that was at best a draw and probably should have been a loss for Ricky.

He got home crowd and home ref advantage against a 35 year old Tszyu who I believe would have prevailed with a more skilled referee.

And tonight he caught an ageing, past-his-best lightweight with the liver shot. He looked set to win anyway but it was an impressive stop.

( Someone should land a shot like that on Max Kellerman, the nitwit commentator who suggested post-fight that Castillo took a dive, or at least could have gotten up.)

But back to the question of the thread: No, I don't like the way Ricky fights. I think he could benefit from some serious pugilistic instruction to go along with his positive attributes. But then again, if it works for him...

[Expert]

Please don't mention Hatton in the same sentence as Cotto.

I didn't think the clinching and grabbing could get any worse after watching John Ruiz for years. Then along came Ricky. He's a nice young man, a Man city supporter I'm told (such a refreshing change from all the hype of United), the kind of bloke you could enjoy a pint and a laugh with. Personable, earnest andr easonably modest.

But alas, I don't see that much boxing skill in the lad. Throw one or two punches and then grab. Repeat until the round ends. Next round, same format. I admit I've only seen him fight five times and the style works for him but he's not entertaining to watch and has no flair for the sport at all.

He has strength and loads of heart. He doesn't back up. He's reasonably fast and moves well.

Against that, he was nearly KO'd by Collazo in a fight that was at best a draw and probably should have been a loss for Ricky.

He got home crowd and home ref advantage against a 35 year old Tszyu who I believe would have prevailed with a more skilled referee.

And tonight he caught an ageing, past-his-best lightweight with the liver shot. He looked set to win anyway but it was an impressive stop.

( Someone should land a shot like that on Max Kellerman, the nitwit commentator who suggested post-fight that Castillo took a dive, or at least could have gotten up.)

But back to the question of the thread: No, I don't like the way Ricky fights. I think he could benefit from some serious pugilistic instruction to go along with his positive attributes. But then again, if it works for him...

yes, Hatton fights are very boring. I think it was the last time I watched 1 of his.

[planetzion]

yes, Hatton fights are very boring. I think it was the last time I watched 1 of his.


fuck yr a dip shit he ko'd him with a body shot...how is that boring i agree he grapples too much for me too but boring no....you must have your tounge up maywethers ass crack

[audio101]

Castillo was holding Hatton's arms like crazy.

[JoeyP]

I've said in other thread and I'll say in this one--Hatton is as bad if not worse than Ruiz. The kid's got power, good hands and feet, and seems to be very likeable and down to earth. Why does he act like Ruiz's little brother? Does Ruiz train Hatton? Has Hatton and his team watch Ruiz film and decided, "that's the best fighting style in the world--we'll use that!" I'll root against Hatton unless he fights PBF-then it's GO HUGGY BEAR HATTON!!!!

JoeyP

[spiderricco]

I've said in other thread and I'll say in this one--Hatton is as bad if not worse than Ruiz. The kid's got power, good hands and feet, and seems to be very likeable and down to earth. Why does he act like Ruiz's little brother? Does Ruiz train Hatton? Has Hatton and his team watch Ruiz film and decided, "that's the best fighting style in the world--we'll use that!" I'll root against Hatton unless he fights PBF-then it's GO HUGGY BEAR HATTON!!!!

JoeyP

Hatton has a long way to go before he can be compared to the legendary Quietman.:good

[El Bombasto]

Hatton grabs too much and comes in with his head, he also holds and hits alot and NEVER gets warned for it for some reason.. I don't like the way he fights..

:yep

[bhwbj]

Hatton is not boring, but he's nowhere near as exciting AS HE THINKS HE IS. Hatton is a headbutting, rabitpunching, hug-artist **BUT** he throws a lot of powerpunches at sets a fast pace. There is good and bad in his style.

[knockout]

Well thats how he fights you just gotta like him or hate him.It seems he does well doing that style.

[Clearly Cool]

Personally, despite being a fan he pisses me off with the grapling. He has the speed and power to do great things but his wrestling makes for ugly fights. Even though they are ugly they are still entertaining and enjoyable just not as good as they could be.

[sean]

reading the comments it is clear that hatton should return to england, fight in front of british crowds on british prime time tv .

this fight was not even shown on uk tv but on an irish sattelitte station, went out in the early hours of a sunday morning and got no exposure in europe.

not good for british boxing when one of its most high profile fighters gets no air time.

for 6 years all you heard was ricky hatton would be beaten by the first top 20 american he fought/then top 10/then top 5/then he cuts and is china chinned/then if he ever left the uk/then tzsyu will anniahlate him/

nothing wrong with americans liking there own fighters but bias and blinkered approach to european fighters should mean european fighters in the main should remain just that.

fighting in europe.

[Decebal]

reading the comments it is clear that hatton should return to england, fight in front of british crowds on british prime time tv .

this fight was not even shown on uk tv but on an irish sattelitte station, went out in the early hours of a sunday morning and got no exposure in europe.

not good for british boxing when one of its most high profile fighters gets no air time.

for 6 years all you heard was ricky hatton would be beaten by the first top 20 american he fought/then top 10/then top 5/then he cuts and is china chinned/then if he ever left the uk/then tzsyu will anniahlate him/

nothing wrong with americans liking there own fighters but bias and blinkered approach to european fighters should mean european fighters in the main should remain just that.

fighting in europe.

as much as I'd like to agree with your conclusion, because I do agree with your argument, I cannot...Our top fighters need recognition in America at the highest level...things haven't changed yet...America is still the place. When two European fight, however, like JC and MK, then the fight should be in Europe, probably, because the Americans won't care about it much anyway...and it would be good for boxing on the Old Continent...

[sean]

as much as I'd like to agree with your conclusion, because I do agree with your argument, I cannot...Our top fighters need recognition in America at the highest level...things haven't changed yet...America is still the place. When two European fight, however, like JC and MK, then the fight should be in Europe, probably, because the Americans won't care about it much anyway...and it would be good for boxing on the Old Continent...

ppv is killing off all but the same million or so die hards in america who love there boxing.

in europe you can get millions watching boxing as it goes out on free to air tv in germany and half and half in the uk.

imagine if mayweather/odlh was fought in europe at 4am american east coast time on an obscure small american ppv channel .

if this happened enough times then even that 1 million would start to lose intrest.

the only advantage america has is that the big venues are totally free and actually encourage promoters to stage there bills there while in europe they cost a lot of up front money for the venues.

with super casino`s coming to the uk that might soon happen here.

[Decebal]

ppv is killing off all but the same million or so die hards in america who love there boxing.

in europe you can get millions watching boxing as it goes out on free to air tv in germany and half and half in the uk.

imagine if mayweather/odlh was fought in europe at 4am american east coast time on an obscure small american ppv channel .

if this happened enough times then even that 1 million would start to lose intrest.

the only advantage america has is that the big venues are totally free and actually encourage promoters to stage there bills there while in europe they cost a lot of up front money for the venues.

with super casino`s coming to the uk that might soon happen here.

you are right...but you have made an argument against PPV not against the fights being staged in America...we'll have a bunch of supercasinos here soon and if ITV or SKY want to air the fights then fine...but PPV in the UK versus PPV in America, I'd pick PPV in the US, because at least the American commentators/ "experts" will pay attention...bad for fans both here and there...

[The Hitman]

Well i expected people to try and discredit Hatton's performance and the ESB didn't let me down.

-Tsyzu was washed up and the ref was rubbish :|

-Collazo won :|

-Castillo took a dive :|

Maybe, just maybe Ricky is a good fighter. Ever think of that? Maybe a fighter from Britain can just be very good :deal

[Silver]

fuck yr a dip shit he ko'd him with a body shot...how is that boring i agree he grapples too much for me too but boring no....you must have your tounge up maywethers ass crackis your tougue up hatton's ass crack? everybody has their own opinon about whos boring. hatton was boring vs. urango but this fight with castillo wasnt bad at all. he holds but he also HITS. its better then seeing cocksuckers run around the ring.

[Decebal]

Well i expected people to try and discredit Hatton's performance and the ESB didn't let me down.

-Tsyzu was washed up and the ref was rubbish :|

-Collazo won :|

-Castillo took a dive :|

Maybe, just maybe Ricky is a good fighter. Ever think of that? Maybe a fighter from Britain can just be very good :deal

If Hatton wasn't very good, Castillo would not have "taken a dive", now, would he? However, Castillo's liver seems to have turned "douchewater" rather quickly...surprising...I could have sworn it was at least "lager" if not "100 proof"...how do you explain that? In any case, I'd go for a very good shot by Hatton, that would have felled anyone. I'd like to beleive it's full credit to our man...but I didn't watch the fight...so cannot express an opinion...

[sean]

you are right...but you have made an argument against PPV not against the fights being staged in America...we'll have a bunch of supercasinos here soon and if ITV or SKY want to air the fights then fine...but PPV in the UK versus PPV in America, I'd pick PPV in the US, because at least the American commentators/ "experts" will pay attention...bad for fans both here and there...

yes you are quite right.

if say NBC were to have boxing show the fights between europeans or european v american on say a sunday 4pm slot going out to europe at 9pm 10pm then that makes sense and i would have no problem with that.

my gripe is that ppv in america makes the euorpean boxer`s exposure to the american market absolutley tiny and not worth the bother, bar the most important thing which is the reason for it all in the first place.

MONEY.

[Silver]

If Hatton wasn't very good, Castillo would not have "taken a dive", now, would he? However, Castillo's liver seems to have turned "douchewater" rather quickly...surprising...I could have sworn it was at least "lager" if not "100 proof"...how do you explain that? In any case, I'd go for a very good shot by Hatton, that would have felled anyone. I'd like to beleive it's full credit to our man...but I didn't watch the fight...so cannot express an opinion...you can be proud of your man because he landed a nice shot on castillo and it was over. now people want to bitch and say castillo was shot or he quit.

[Decebal]

yes you are quite right.

if say NBC were to have boxing show the fights between europeans or european v american on say a sunday 4pm slot going out to europe at 9pm 10pm then that makes sense and i would have no problem with that.

my gripe is that ppv in america makes the euorpean boxer`s exposure to the american market absolutley tiny and not worth the bother, bar the most important thing which is the reason for it all in the first place.

MONEY.

I agree!:good

[The Hitman]

you can be proud of your man because he landed a nice shot on castillo and it was over. now people want to bitch and say castillo was shot or he quit.

Spot on mate, nice post :good

[Decebal]

you can be proud of your man because he landed a nice shot on castillo and it was over. now people want to bitch and say castillo was shot or he quit.

I don't know whether he was shot or not, or whether he quit...I would really hope not...it would not be in his character to quit, quite the opposite in fact...I'd have to see the fight.

But whether he did or not, whether he was shot or not...it's full credit to Ricky! Ricky didn't pick Castillo for the fight because he was shot or because he was a quitter...quite the opposite in fact!

[Decebal]

Ok, watched the whole of the 4th round...Castillo was not at his best...also Ricky was in top shape - much faster than his competitor. I also counted 5 body shots to the side a shot to which KO'd Castillo (there were about 2 to the other side too). So...NO...it wasn't a dive...the accumulation of shots would have felled anyone...and NO...Castillo doesn't have a douchewater liver...but he's it's not 100 proof either! The fact that Castillo was "shot" (not what he once was) has nothing to do with the fact that Ricky's shots would have hit a prime Castillo too, and would probably eventually have brought him to his knees anyway...perhaps not as early as the 4th round though...but a Ricky in that shape would have beaten any version of Castillo, eventually...of that I am sure!:rasta

[Decebal]

One more thing...Hatton executed his gameplan to perfection...bodyshots 'r us galore! Clinched when he needed to and hit the body; led with his head when fighting inside to protect himself;...went all aggressive and jumped into his opponent when Castillo was closing in, thus defending himself some more...iNICE!:happy

[K0NPHL1C7]

He belongs in the fuckin UFC.

[Decebal]

Americans....cry more; you're really looking pathetic right now. I guess the word honor means nothing to you.

:bart :lol:

[jc]

Hatton truly is one of the best pound for pound if this performance didnt prove it to you then your a fuckin idiot.

Hatton should come back to the UK, where fighting hard is appreciated.

You cant KO a top 15 p4p guy in 4 and not get any credit, thats ridiculous!

[K0NPHL1C7]

Americans....cry more; you're really looking pathetic right now. I guess the word honor means nothing to you.

Explain to me why you think Americans are upset with Hatton beating a Mexican?

It has nothing to do with race, nationality. Hatton is a dirty fighter, end of story.

[jc]

Boo fuckin hoo, its not a tickling contest.


And he is no dirtier than Castillo or Cotto or Gatti or any other ''warrior'' that gets respect around here.:fire

[Drusome]

I liked the way he fought last night. He showed how a tough inside fighter does it - he never stops punching from all angles, is strong and physical and uses his quick feet to be right in the other fighter's face. Against Tsyzu he got away with murder but last night was good stuff.

[sandwichsurgeon]

Boo fuckin hoo, its not a tickling contest.


And he is no dirtier than Castillo or Cotto or Gatti or any other ''warrior'' that gets respect around here.:fire

Lets not forget the likes of Duran, Hopkins and Holyfield, if they can slip in a few sly ones and get so much credit why the fuck can't Hatton?

[madpup]

All the English guys, a bit touchy arent you? I dont think too many people here have said that he is a crap fighter, merely commenting on his style of fighting.

[ron u.k.]

a lot of people on here haven't got a clue.most of the holding last night was coming from castillo and anyway so what?i hadn't realised boxing was a pure sport where every fighter is technically correct and perfect.look at the old footage of legends like robinson,moore ali and others and they were all at it. but in those days it was called tying a man up,it was considered legitimate and stopped the other guy working especially if you'd gotten your own punches off.of course they're saying he beat over the hill tszyu and now castillo, who didn't look a shot fighter to me in there last night,i thought he was fighting pretty well up to the stoppage although it could be argued hatton was gradually breaking him down it was a competitive fight.some on here can't even recognize hattons skills they're either incapable of doing so or their hate blinds them.and just for good measure i think hatton loses to mayweather,cotto,de la hoya and mosley so any comments about nuthugging is way off.i just judge him as a mighty fine light welterweight

[My dinner with Conteh]

is your tougue up hatton's ass crack? everybody has their own opinon about whos boring. hatton was boring vs. urango but this fight with castillo wasnt bad at all. he holds but he also HITS. its better then seeing cocksuckers run around the ring.



Spot on.

[Jack]

not good for british boxing when one of its most high profile fighters gets no air time.He was on the news every single day last week. He has got more TV exposure than anyone I've ever seen post-Benn/Eubank. Including Lewis and Naseem.

And I'm not a big fan of Hatton's style, but it's perfectly legal. Ugly, sure, but at least he, unlike Ruiz, is active and trows a lot punches with intent. He isn't close to being as bad as Ruiz and it's stupid to say he is.

[dangerousity]

I love his pressure, relentlessness, stamina, speed, bounciness, energy, attitude BUT I FUCKING HATE HIS CLINCHING!!! :) So all in all his fighting style could be one of my fav's but as it is, its just OK or above average for me to watch.

[val]

I think Hatton is a good fighter and used to be much more entertaining when fought less demanding opponents. But, at the level he currently is his skills are not enough to keep winning fights. This shows his trainer is a very good one and able to select tactics which suits Hatton best. That's why he resorts to holding so often, I think he seemed to be in panic not to get hit by Tszyu in first half of the bout, I remember him holding Tszyu's arms desperately. As soon as he realized Tszyu is tired and doesn't carry the power any more, he felt more comfortable and didn't hold and clinch that much.
Hatton is still entertaining and boxing fans learnt alot from his fights like for instance excessive holding and clinching is allowed. Without Ricky I would never find out.

[Club Fighter]

reading the comments it is clear that hatton should return to england, fight in front of british crowds on british prime time tv .

this fight was not even shown on uk tv but on an irish sattelitte station, went out in the early hours of a sunday morning and got no exposure in europe.

not good for british boxing when one of its most high profile fighters gets no air time.

for 6 years all you heard was ricky hatton would be beaten by the first top 20 american he fought/then top 10/then top 5/then he cuts and is china chinned/then if he ever left the uk/then tzsyu will anniahlate him/

nothing wrong with americans liking there own fighters but bias and blinkered approach to european fighters should mean european fighters in the main should remain just that.

fighting in europe.

Castillo's not even an American. He's a Mexican. Believe me, if you know how much flak Mexicans catch in the states there's no way you would make that comment. This alleged American bias does not apply here. Maybe people just don't like Ricky because they think he's a douchebag or for some other reason than him being a Brit. Please allow for that possibility.

[RUSKULL]

I love it. Him and Cotto look to inflict pain on their opponents. Both try to rough you anyway they can. Cotto by puching at arms and shoulders. Hatton by bumrushing you and using his elbows as weapons on teh inside.

Call me sadistic but I love watching both of them bring the pain.

Me too. I like the "win at all costs" style mixed with the "fight it out in the trenches" style.

Hatton isn't afraid to take a few to give a few.

[RUSKULL]

Americans....cry more; you're really looking pathetic right now. I guess the word honor means nothing to you.

I'm American and I like the way Hatton fights. I don't think the clinching is excessive but I can see how fans of his opponents don't like his style because it works and he beats their fighters using it.

[Executioner]

I dont.

good for you. No one cares.

don't watch his fights than, it's that simple :hi:

[Club Fighter]

Americans....cry more; you're really looking pathetic right now. I guess the word honor means nothing to you.
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[Decebal]

I love his pressure, relentlessness, stamina, speed, bounciness, energy, attitude BUT I FUCKING HATE HIS CLINCHING!!! :) So all in all his fighting style could be one of my fav's but as it is, its just OK or above average for me to watch.

yeah, but the clinching is part of the hatton gameplan...he dived in aggresively and clinched to avoid being hit...he then applied the bodyshots! Not nice, but effective, and certainly part of the successful fightplan.

[The Italarican]

I respect him but don't particularly care to watch him fight. His grappling works, but it frustrates me. It just doesn't feel like boxing to me. It's his own style that I get people could love and find entertaining. For me, it's not that enjoyable to watch.

[Decebal]

I respect him but don't particularly care to watch him fight. His grappling works, but it frustrates me. It just doesn't feel like boxing to me. It's his own style that I get people could love and find entertaining. For me, it's not that enjoyable to watch.

:good Hatton against anyone will never be as exciting as Castillo against Corrales, for example...but then, not many fights will...ever...;)

[The Italarican]

:good Hatton against anyone will never be as exciting as Castillo against Corrales, for example...but then, not many fights will...ever...;)

The thing is that I REALLY want to like Hatton because I love boxers who go to the body. If he'd throw more and stop smothering and grappling, it'd work for me more. Of course, if he did that he may not be Hatton. I wouldn't have him change much because it works for him so well. I just wish it didn't frustrate me to watch him fight because he has a lot going for him inside and outside the ring.

[Decebal]

The thing is that I REALLY want to like Hatton because I love boxers who go to the body. If he'd throw more and stop smothering and grappling, it'd work for me more. Of course, if he did that he may not be Hatton. I wouldn't have him change much because it works for him so well. I just wish it didn't frustrate me to watch him fight because he has a lot going for him inside and outside the ring.

well, as you say...he would have to be less aggressive if the didn't dive in KNOWING that he will then clinch and grapple...also he couldn't use his bodyshots so effectively if he were less aggressive, because opponents would protect themselves better...even hit back...

[achillesthegreat]

I was in a room with about ten other people and we all loved it and cheered every step of the way. It was culminated with a ko which resulted in all of us bundling each other in celebration. So yeah, I guess I do like it when a guys in your face, bringing the pain and finishing a fight brutally but making it look scientific.

Yeah Hatton clinches, he's a mauler and brawler. This ain't a tickling contest. This ain't ballet, this is boxing. Hatton comes to fight for 12 rounds.

Plus it ain't a Hatton fight unless he gets hit. Hattons major problem is he doesn't really have a defence. He knows how to do everything but he doesn't implement it in the ring. He doesn't have the patience to. He is wild and mauling and brawling so he has no time to defend.

There's only one Ricky Fatton! Tszyu and Castillo will attest to that.

[The Italarican]

Yeah Hatton clinches, he's a mauler and brawler. This ain't a tickling contest. This ain't ballet, this is boxing.

See, to me it doesn't feel like boxing, though. It's something else with the clinching maneuvers and smothering.

[EpsilonAxis]

Some of his fights have been stinkers.

But usually, like last night, his style is great.

[EL BULLY]

Watched Ali Foreman on ESPN classic the other night. All Ali did was clinch and hit and hold, but that goes down in history as an all time great performance. Hatton fights another come forward fighter, in a match where the clinch is going to be an inevitable factor (whoever the two come forward fighters are) initiates the clinch less than 50% of the time and get slated for it.

BULLSHIT:fire :fire :fire

[Lar Janus]

I like Ricky Hatton, think he's a stand-up guy, trains his ass off, shows much love to his fans, is pretty clever, and respectful. That said, its hard to overlook his grappling style of boxing (in his two biggest fights, KT & JLC) and the FACT that he's gotten favorable treatment from the refs in BOTH of the above-mentioned fights.

I was VERY disappointed w/last night's fight! JLC looked a little wobbly, the first couple of rounds, but when he DOES start working his way into the fight, in the third, Joe "I'm fair but firm" [BULLSHIT!] Cortez--after having said in front of EVERYONE that Hatton's shorts were high--starts warning JLC for phantom low blows! There were shades of Manchester and KT, when Hatton looked over at Cortez, after getting hit with a shot clearly NOT low, as if to say, "Hey, mate, you're not gonna let him hit me with body shots, are you?" . Then, at the beginning of the fourth he IMMEDIATELY deducts a point for a shot that wasn't even close to being low! Hatton, meanwhile, contrary to BOXING rules, uses non-stop grappling to maul JLC--with ZERO warnings from Joe "I'm a tool" Cortez. So, we have a fight where one fighter (JLC) is not allowed to throw body-shots, while the other can hold/hit, at will.

I think JLC knew the 'fix' was in, and that he was gonna get DQ'd, if he tried to work the body--which HAD to be a big part of his game plan. I believe Hatton landed a great body shot, but that JLC just stayed down. I hate to see that, and even SAY it, but the bias was unmistakable. Boxing is getting to be as bad as pro-wrestling. It's getting harder and harder to support it, and I've lost a TON of respect (like it HAD much left, anyways!) for the sport with shit like PBF/DLH, Spinks/JT, and, now, Hatton/JLC.

For the Hatton fans: again, don't get me wrong, nothing against Hatton--he's just maximizing the advantages he's being given--he's a class act, outside the ring, and does what he has to, to win, inside. Its just a side effect of the crookedness of the sanctioning bodies, networks, promoters, judges, and referees--that have become the norm in boxing.

[achillesthegreat]

See, to me it doesn't feel like boxing, though. It's something else with the clinching maneuvers and smothering.
It's mauling and brawling. That's his style. Sometimes it can lead to average fights like Urango BUT Tszyu and Castillo were great fights.

[Expert]

See, to me it doesn't feel like boxing, though. It's something else with the clinching maneuvers and smothering.

Yes, when Hatton fights it aint boxing.

[ron u.k.]

Watched Ali Foreman on ESPN classic the other night. All Ali did was clinch and hit and hold, but that goes down in history as an all time great performance. Hatton fights another come forward fighter, in a match where the clinch is going to be an inevitable factor (whoever the two come forward fighters are) initiates the clinch less than 50% of the time and get slated for it.

BULLSHIT:fire :fire :firethey really havn't got a clue.in numerous old fight films they're at it greats like robinson,moore,ali and numerous others it used to be called tying your opponent up. nobody gave a f*** about it because it was considered a legitimate part of the game.really these whingers know nothing.