''Mayweather is a cocky A-Hole'' - Miguel Torres

[québecwarrior]

''

I would love to fight Mayweather, just because of the simple fact that I think he’s a cocky asshole … I’m not a white person, and I will smash his ass. I don’t care. His style of boxing is all built on getting people in the clinch. He’ll hit them, and then he’ll get in the clinch with them. Then the referee breaks them, and he’ll hit them and grab them again. I think it’s a great strategy. It’s not clean boxing, but it’s smart boxing. He’s going to hit somebody and grab them in MMA, and he’ll be done for. They’ll take him down. That’ll be all. I’ll be on top of the list to fight him.”

:yep:yep:yep
I bet Mayweather wouldnt trash talk MMA in front of Torres.

[NSX-R]

Mayweather wins in a boxing match, Torres wins in a MMA match. Challenging someone to a sport he's never participated in is senseless. Of course Torres will destroy Floyd in MMA. He might as well challenge the top Muay Thai fighters in the world.

[SouthpawSlayer]

torres has mayweathers style confused with john ruiz or ricky hatton, mayweather is one of the greatest talents in boxing ever and to say his boxing style is limited to getting people in the clinch is just dumb, mayweather's bread and butter is range fighting and slipping shots with his family invented shoulder roll defence, he infought hatton that night just to show he could beat hatton at this own game, torres was never a bright spark im and this comment proves how dumb he actually is

its funny how die hard mma guys really hate pbf, he has done a good job of playing the villain and finds it very easy to get under mma guys skin, look even one of the best pound for pound fighters in the sport are reacting to mayweathers bullshit comments. torres should really not involve himself with this type of shit it brings him down and he should prove he is beyond it by not commenting, pbf is not an mma fighter so obviously he aint gonna do well in mma although with some training im sure he could go far because of his athleticism. imagine kobe bryant coming out and saying "hey if tiger woods was to come out here and post me up i would check his ass"

[cdnboxing]

Well if were taking anything from this its that Torres has no idea how Mayweather fights.

And What is Torres challenging Mayweather too? Boxing or MMA match? If it was boxing, that would just be comical, Torres wouldnt even be a ranked amateur.

[codeman99998]

Well if were taking anything from this its that Torres has no idea how Mayweather fights.

And What is Torres challenging Mayweather too? Boxing or MMA match? If it was boxing, that would just be comical, Torres wouldnt even be a ranked amateur.

If it were a no rules fight Torres would strangle the shit out of PBF until he was unconcious.

[ufoalf]

Except Mayweather thinks he can beat people in MMA while Miguel Torres won't think that about boxing.

[jimmie]

Id love to see Torres choke out the overatted Fraud Mayweather.

[cdnboxing]

If it were a no rules fight Torres would strangle the shit out of PBF until he was unconcious.

Boy if I had a dime for how many times ive heard that.

MMA isnt a no rules fight idiot.

MMA fans really take this Mayweather stuff too seriously.

And really, the only reason Torres is even saying this shit is because hes making peanuts in the WEC while Mayweather carries about as much as Torres makes in a year in his wallet everyday.

[Beebs]

Shit, Torres would kick a hole through mayweathers leg or clinch and knee his face into hamburger in a muay thai fight, let alone mma or street.

In a real fight floyd just better hope Torres feels sorry for him and quickly choked him out ; he could be mean and break all four limbs and several bones in his face. :lol:

[Beebs]

Boy if I had a dime for how many times ive heard that.

MMA isnt a no rules fight idiot.

Where did he say mma was? He is saying in a no rules fight, not just an mma fight. The more rules removed the bigger the advantage to Torres.

[cdnboxing]

Shit, Torres would kick a hole through mayweathers leg or clinch and knee his face into hamburger in a muay that fight.

In a real fight floyd just better hope Torres feels sorry for him and quickly choked him out ; he could be mean and break all four limbs and several bones in his face. :lol:

Torres gets his ass kicked on his feet against Mayweather.

Kicks arent a boxers kryptonite. Only stupid people believe they are.

[cdnboxing]

Where did he say mma was? He is saying in a no rules fight, not just an mma fight. The more rules removed the bigger the advantage to Torres.

Torres competes in MMA not no rules fights which are stupid to even talk about to begin with.

Real fights unlike MMA and boxing are completely unpredictable. So saying Torres would wipe through Mayweather is stupid and immature. Not saying it would or wouldnt happen but its just stupid talking about it.

[Beebs]

Boy if I had a dime for how many times ive heard that.

MMA isnt a no rules fight idiot.

MMA fans really take this Mayweather stuff too seriously.

And really, the only reason Torres is even saying this shit is because hes making peanuts in the WEC while Mayweather carries about as much as Torres makes in a year in his wallet everyday.

Or maybe he is insulted and pointing out the fact that at the end of the day mayweather can never spend enough money to be a better fighter or half the man Torres is. Fact is for all his boxing skill he will never be half the human being Torres is, and he will never be the true dominant man in the room if Torres is there.

[cdnboxing]

Or maybe he is insulted and pointing out the fact that at the end of the day mayweather can never spend enough money to be a better fighter or half the man Torres is. Fact is for all his boxing skill he will never be half the human being Torres is, and he will never be the true dominant man in the room if Torres is there.

Im not sure if you were joking or not but that might've been the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

How old are you?

[Beebs]

Torres gets his ass kicked on his feet against Mayweather.

Kicks arent a boxers kryptonite. Only stupid people believe they are.

Very good kicks are, it's sort of the reason people who dedicate their entire time on earth to muay Thai spend so much time practicing non boxing. If boxing alone won mt fights, there would be people doing just that.

Mayweather is screwed after a few nasty leg kicks or one good plumm clinch.

[Beebs]

Im not sure if you were joking or not but that might've been the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

How old are you?

Torres doesn't beat women, he doesn't act like a dick and start shit in clubs, he teaches kids in a terrible neighborhood. Floyd is 1/4 the human being, the fact that he knows Torres would have his way with him in a fight clearly bothers him; not nearly as important but ones a piece of shit ones a great man.

[Beebs]

Torres competes in MMA not no rules fights which are stupid to even talk about to begin with.

Real fights unlike MMA and boxing are completely unpredictable. So saying Torres would wipe through Mayweather is stupid and immature. Not saying it would or wouldnt happen but its just stupid talking about it.

A no rules fight doesn't mean a street fight every time. In a fight with no rules, Torres could end Floyds life if he so chose.

[cdnboxing]

Torres doesn't beat women, he doesn't act like a dick and start shit in clubs, he teaches kids in a terrible neighborhood. Floyd is 1/4 the human being, the fact that he knows Torres would have his way with him in a fight clearly bothers him; not nearly as important but ones a piece of shit ones a great man.

Do you honestly think Mayweather even knows who the hell Torres is? If he did do you honestly think he cares at all about Torres. Torres is a guy making chump change on Versus.

And, Mayweather puts on an act. He plays the role of a heel. I've never met the guy but many who have say the guy treats them with respect and is honest.

And isnt Torres a guy who fought in unsanctioned bouts at bars and nightclubs. Very classy.

[cdnboxing]

A no rules fight doesn't mean a street fight every time. In a fight with no rules, Torres could end Floyds life if he so chose.

Yep, same with Floyd.

[cdnboxing]

Very good kicks are, it's sort of the reason people who dedicate their entire time on earth to muay Thai spend so much time practicing non boxing. If boxing alone won mt fights, there would be people doing just that.

Mayweather is screwed after a few nasty leg kicks or one good plumm clinch.

The bottom line is, we hear that alot but we actually dont have any credible examples. In fact, there are plenty of examples proving otherwise.

Chase Beebe was eating Torres leg kicks just fine.

And boxing is actually quite important in MT. Look no further than the Dutch who implement alot of boxing in MT.

A mid-level MT striker like Torres isnt goign to do shit to Mayweather. Mayweather eats a couple of his kicks and proceeds to knock Torres head off into the 4th row. On the feet, Torres wouldnt know what hes in for. Mayweather isnt Manny Tapias, Mizugakis or Beebe.

[Dynamite Kid]

''

I would love to fight Mayweather, just because of the simple fact that I think he’s a cocky asshole … I’m not a white person, and I will smash his ass. I don’t care. His style of boxing is all built on getting people in the clinch. He’ll hit them, and then he’ll get in the clinch with them. Then the referee breaks them, and he’ll hit them and grab them again. I think it’s a great strategy. It’s not clean boxing, but it’s smart boxing. He’s going to hit somebody and grab them in MMA, and he’ll be done for. They’ll take him down. That’ll be all. I’ll be on top of the list to fight him.”

:yep:yep:yep
I bet Mayweather wouldnt trash talk MMA in front of Torres.

I like Miguel Torres but he doesn't have a clue what the hell he's talking about. He's got Floyd confused with Ricky Hatton. And just like Torres would smash Floyd in the MMA ring, Floyd would own his ass in the Boxing ring.

[cdnboxing]

And,

I also seem to remember Beebs saying that Torres would beat David Haye in MMA. Jesus christ, that was absurd.

[Dynamite Kid]

And,

I also seem to remember Beebs saying that Torres would beat David Haye in MMA. Jesus christ, that was absurd.

Doesn't David Haye have a Martial Arts backround also? I think I heard something about that before, if I'm not mistaken.

[codeman99998]

Torres competes in MMA not no rules fights which are stupid to even talk about to begin with.

Real fights unlike MMA and boxing are completely unpredictable. So saying Torres would wipe through Mayweather is stupid and immature. Not saying it would or wouldnt happen but its just stupid talking about it.

I don't think a real fight between Mayweather and Torres is unpredictable in the slightest. I don't even think YOU think that, I think you are saying that because you don't want to admit that Torres eats him alive in a real fight, due to all of his mma experience. Whereas Floyd's shoulder rolll proves itself to be absolutely worthless against Miguel.

[8count]

"My kung-fu is better than your kung-fu"

[jimmie]

The bottom line is, we hear that alot but we actually dont have any credible examples. In fact, there are plenty of examples proving otherwise.

Chase Beebe was eating Torres leg kicks just fine.

And boxing is actually quite important in MT. Look no further than the Dutch who implement alot of boxing in MT.

A mid-level MT striker like Torres isnt goign to do shit to Mayweather. Mayweather eats a couple of his kicks and proceeds to knock Torres head off into the 4th row. On the feet, Torres wouldnt know what hes in for. Mayweather isnt Manny Tapias, Mizugakis or Beebe.

Chase Beebe is a Mixed Martial Artist is Mayweather ? Oh yeah and didnt Beebe getting choke the fuck out ? Boxing has always been more important in the Dutch style while in Thailand they have always put more stock into the clinch game. Torres is higher then mid-level Muay Thai im not calling him Ray Deekers but hes very damn good in all important Muay Thai areas watch a Miguel Torres fight you will see a fantastic clinch game,great roundhouse kicks,beautiful switch kicks ETC. Mayweather just eats these kicks ? You have obviously never trained in the art of Muay Thai which is not suprise. Also Torres isnt just some strike always guy his BJJ is among the very best in the world, this is something Mayweather doesnt know a thing about. Im sure Mayweather doesnt even know how to do a basic mount escape let alone actually perform that once Miguel gets on top pounds his face in and armbars him.

[NSX-R]

What makes you think Mayweather cares about the ground game or any aspect of MMA aside from boxing? He wouldn't train in BJJ even if you paid him. He's a world-class athlete and one of the best boxers of our generation (aside from Pacquiao). It doesn't bother him if a mid-level MMA fighter can take him down and submit him, considering he has zero interest in submissions.

[jimmie]

What makes you think Mayweather cares about the ground game or any aspect of MMA aside from boxing? He wouldn't train in BJJ even if you paid him. He's a world-class athlete and one of the best boxers of our generation (aside from Pacquiao). It doesn't bother him if a mid-level MMA fighter can take him down and submit him, considering he has zero interest in submissions.

He obviously cares about it when he goes off and makes dumbass comments like he makes about MMA. If he didnt care he wouldnt feel the need to waste time talking about it when he could use the time talking about how many buyrates he produced in 2007 which he loves to talk about.

[Beebs]

Do you honestly think Mayweather even knows who the hell Torres is? If he did do you honestly think he cares at all about Torres. Torres is a guy making chump change on Versus.

And, Mayweather puts on an act. He plays the role of a heel. I've never met the guy but many who have say the guy treats them with respect and is honest.

And isnt Torres a guy who fought in unsanctioned bouts at bars and nightclubs. Very classy.

Playing the role of vililan on WWE or an interview is one thing, he clearly is not doing just that, he is a bad human being, all facts point to this. Just look at the way he treats people around him. His ego is huge, he is a dick, he will die alone and miserable.

Who cares if he knows who Torres is? Torres knows who he is, and Torres and everybody else know who the better person is, know who is loved by their family, knows who is loved by their community, knows who does and doesn't have to pay to have friends, know who claims to be from "the getto" but lived in a middle class neighborhood in grand rapids and who grew up in east chicago indiana.

Fighting fights with a willing opponent in a legit sport in bouts that were not illegal is a HELL OF A LOT DIFFERENT THAN BEATING UP WOMEN!

One guy has more money, the other is a better human being, is loved and respected by everybody who meets him, and a much much better fighter.

[Beebs]

What makes you think Mayweather cares about the ground game or any aspect of MMA aside from boxing? He wouldn't train in BJJ even if you paid him. He's a world-class athlete and one of the best boxers of our generation (aside from Pacquiao). It doesn't bother him if a mid-level MMA fighter can take him down and submit him, considering he has zero interest in submissions.

Considering he talks shit about MMA and acts like he could be great at it, I'd say he cares, and should be held accountable for the shit he says.

[Beebs]

The bottom line is, we hear that alot but we actually dont have any credible examples. In fact, there are plenty of examples proving otherwise.

Chase Beebe was eating Torres leg kicks just fine.

And boxing is actually quite important in MT. Look no further than the Dutch who implement alot of boxing in MT.

A mid-level MT striker like Torres isnt goign to do shit to Mayweather. Mayweather eats a couple of his kicks and proceeds to knock Torres head off into the 4th row. On the feet, Torres wouldnt know what hes in for. Mayweather isnt Manny Tapias, Mizugakis or Beebe.

Tapia, Mizugaki, Beebe have all spent years learning to cope with and check with leg kicks, they have experienced them and elbows, and real cliches. Mayweather has never spent a day on it.

Ever been kicked in the leg by somebody who knows what they are doing when you don't? That is bad enough, but once he gets a clinch, starts throwing knees to his face and body? Elbows over his eyes?

Mayweather would obviously do much better standing than in an MMA fight, but he has several things he has never seen before and could end up being completely incapable of dealing with solid leg kicks.

[Beebs]

And,

I also seem to remember Beebs saying that Torres would beat David Haye in MMA. Jesus christ, that was absurd.

How is that absurd? You think Torres can't leglock him off his back? Can't pull guard? Hell, he could simply buttscoot across the floor; what's Haye going to do? If he gets close Torres grabs a leg and either gets him down or works a leglock, if he throws a punch he might land, he might also get it caught and armbared.

One clinch and there are kimuras, standing guillotines, standing arm-triangles, taking the back, standing guard pull. Lets not pretend that it would be impossible for Torres to take him down either, from the clinch its possible, and even from a double leg its possible.

Being 200lbs and strong does not make you exempt from the laws of gravity and the forces of leverage, the basis of judo and wrestling. Haye's recreational Judo and Torres' profesional lifetime of wrestling and judo are two different things.

Do you think Torres would win a judo match between them? Of fucking course! So what makes it different once Torres gets that first clinch?

Torres has fought bigger guys than Haye, who actually know how to wrestle and defend submissions.

Haye can land a shot and end it all, but as millions of mma and even boxing fights show, a guy whos only shot to win is one big punch before the other guy can do much of anything is a terribly unlikely way to win a fight.

Torres has to make it without getting knocked out before he can clinch or grab something from the buttscoot, the first one is risky but still in Torres' favor, the second would be boring but pretty safe.

[ufoalf]

A no rules fight doesn't mean a street fight every time. In a fight with no rules, Torres could end Floyds life if he so chose.

Yep, same with Floyd.

You never answered my question:

"So lets sum this up shall we? You believe that MMA is just a sport and it does NOT resemble REAL FIGHTING. You also believe that MMA is least limited combat sport. If MMA is least limited sport than what is "unlimited", that would be a REAL FIGHT wouldn't it? ... So since you believe MMA is least limited it is only logical to assume that you also believe it is the closest to REAL FIGHT?
You also believe that a MMA fighter would be a favorite in an MMA fight. Since MMA is the closest to a real fight how is boxing better knowledge to have than MMA?" :huh

[Dynamite Kid]

Torres doesn't beat women, he doesn't act like a dick and start shit in clubs, he teaches kids in a terrible neighborhood. Floyd is 1/4 the human being, the fact that he knows Torres would have his way with him in a fight clearly bothers him; not nearly as important but ones a piece of shit ones a great man.

First off, What the hell even makes you think Floyd knows or even cares who the hell Torres is?:blood

Secondly, all this talk about Floyd getting beat and smashed by Torres in MMA, but put Torres in the boxing ring with Floyd as just a sparring partner for an hour or atleast just 10 minutes, and see how much Torres gets bitch slapped.

[ufoalf]

First off, What the hell even makes you think Floyd knows or even cares who the hell Torres is?:blood
Wtf does it fucking matter if they both know each other? One dude is a piece of shit the other is not.


Secondly, all this talk about Floyd getting beat and smashed by Torres in MMA, but put Torres in the boxing ring with Floyd as just a sparring partner for an hour or atleast just 10 minutes, and see how much Torres gets bitch slapped.

Torres isn't talking about boxing, MAYWEATHER is, you understand? It's a pro boxer insulting MMA as a sport. He disrespects it so much and think boxing to be superior, it's only natural for MMA fighters to invite him to step and teach him to respect the sport.

It's clear as day that pro MMA fighters respect boxing, because THEY TRAIN BOXING. While boxer(few exceptions) don't train martial arts used in MMA and have disrespect for it. For example Haye has respect for MMA and he trained in judo and wrestling(i think).

So don't give me that shit about "well he'd get his ass kicked in boxing just like other way around in MMA". WE KNOW THAT, Mayweather seems that he thinks so also and it hurts his ego so much that he has to play this facade.

[SouthpawSlayer]

Or maybe he is insulted and pointing out the fact that at the end of the day mayweather can never spend enough money to be a better fighter or half the man Torres is. Fact is for all his boxing skill he will never be half the human being Torres is, and he will never be the true dominant man in the room if Torres is there.

what a dumb quote, mayweather is at a level in his sport which torres will never reach, no mma fighter is even close to pbf's dominance, do you think being the most dominant man in the room :lol::lol::lol: (what age are you btw) is lifes most important thing, i know id rather have mayweathers bank balance than be the most dominant man in the room, who needs mma skills when you have 3 bodyguards all packing heat. mayweather is getting 15 mill for fighting a blown up lightweight and torres is struggling to pay his mortgage

[SouthpawSlayer]

How is that absurd? You think Torres can't leglock him off his back? Can't pull guard? Hell, he could simply buttscoot across the floor; what's Haye going to do? If he gets close Torres grabs a leg and either gets him down or works a leglock, if he throws a punch he might land, he might also get it caught and armbared.

One clinch and there are kimuras, standing guillotines, standing arm-triangles, taking the back, standing guard pull. Lets not pretend that it would be impossible for Torres to take him down either, from the clinch its possible, and even from a double leg its possible.

Being 200lbs and strong does not make you exempt from the laws of gravity and the forces of leverage, the basis of judo and wrestling. Haye's recreational Judo and Torres' profesional lifetime of wrestling and judo are two different things.

Do you think Torres would win a judo match between them? Of fucking course! So what makes it different once Torres gets that first clinch?

Torres has fought bigger guys than Haye, who actually know how to wrestle and defend submissions.

Haye can land a shot and end it all, but as millions of mma and even boxing fights show, a guy whos only shot to win is one big punch before the other guy can do much of anything is a terribly unlikely way to win a fight.

Torres has to make it without getting knocked out before he can clinch or grab something from the buttscoot, the first one is risky but still in Torres' favor, the second would be boring but pretty safe.


david haye has been training bjj for over 10 years and has a very good grappling coach, you mma guys are dumb to the fact that there is no grappling in boxing. haye would rape torres end of

[SouthpawSlayer]

Tapia, Mizugaki, Beebe have all spent years learning to cope with and check with leg kicks, they have experienced them and elbows, and real cliches. Mayweather has never spent a day on it.

Ever been kicked in the leg by somebody who knows what they are doing when you don't? That is bad enough, but once he gets a clinch, starts throwing knees to his face and body? Elbows over his eyes?

Mayweather would obviously do much better standing than in an MMA fight, but he has several things he has never seen before and could end up being completely incapable of dealing with solid leg kicks.

i train mma and the easiest part of mma for me has been able to land my punches once my opponent goes for a leg kick, when a fighter kicks his guard drops even more than where it is, where i train the fighters very rarely like to throw leg kicks at me because taking a punch off a boxer which mma fighters just cant take that well is not an option

[196osh]

I would be surprised if he beat Haye, if Haye had some training the size difference would be huge and Haye isnt a total novice, he knows how to throw people and I doubt Torres could take him down, anyway not really something I want to discuss..

On the other hand. Mayweather would get his ass beaten. :yep

[Dynamite Kid]

Wtf does it fucking matter if they both know each other? One dude is a piece of shit the other is not.




Torres isn't talking about boxing, MAYWEATHER is, you understand? It's a pro boxer insulting MMA as a sport. He disrespects it so much and think boxing to be superior, it's only natural for MMA fighters to invite him to step and teach him to respect the sport.

It's clear as day that pro MMA fighters respect boxing, because THEY TRAIN BOXING. While boxer(few exceptions) don't train martial arts used in MMA and have disrespect for it. For example Haye has respect for MMA and he trained in judo and wrestling(i think).

So don't give me that shit about "well he'd get his ass kicked in boxing just like other way around in MMA". WE KNOW THAT, Mayweather seems that he thinks so also and it hurts his ego so much that he has to play this facade.

Beebs said "The fact that he knows Torres would have his way with him". That's why I said, Floyd probably doesn't know or care who Torres is. And quite frankly, he shouldn't. MMA fighters don't have to teach Floyd respect for shit. Floyd is a grown man, and if he wants to fly off the handle then he's gonna do so, and their's nothing anyone can do about it. I agree that his opinion sucks, because I box and do MMA. However, Floyd will get his in September, when Machida & Shogun smash the Boxing PPV in the ratings. Floyd will not be able to talk about how he out sold MMA that night with his millions & bullshit blah blah blah. I think there, we can agree on.

[Beebs]

:blooddavid haye has been training bjj for over 10 years and has a very good grappling coach, you mma guys are dumb to the fact that there is no grappling in boxing. haye would rape torres end of

David hate has been doing Judo casually, big difference. Torres has been boxing for 10 years, so do you think he would know how to box with Haye? The gap between Torres' mma/grappling and Hayes is bigger than the boxing gap; torres is pound for pound top five, Haye isn't.

If torres can avoid getting KO'd before the first clinch or ground encounter, which is no easy task obviously, it's a grappling match, and torres dominates any grappling exchange at all between the two.

[Beebs]

what a dumb quote, mayweather is at a level in his sport which torres will never reach, no mma fighter is even close to pbf's dominance, do you think being the most dominant man in the room :lol::lol::lol: (what age are you btw) is lifes most important thing, i know id rather have mayweathers bank balance than be the most dominant man in the room, who needs mma skills when you have 3 bodyguards all packing heat. mayweather is getting 15 mill for fighting a blown up lightweight and torres is struggling to pay his mortgage

Dominant might not be the best word, but all around better man is. Flour has money, that's it. Torres has the love of his family, the love of his community, real friends rather than paid yes men who only cater to his ego. On his death bed all that money isn't going to but him love, isn't going to buy him respect, and isn't going to make him a real man. The fact that Torres beats the shit out of him is just icing on the cake. One lives the life of a real man, the other is a petulant child who's life is so worthless he cries on fucking television because he is too much of a petulant brat to be a man and talk to his fucking father.

[Dynamite Kid]

Dominant might not be the best word, but all around better man is. Flour has money, that's it. Torres has the love of his family, the love of his community, real friends rather than paid yes men who only cater to his ego. On his death bed all that money isn't going to but him love, isn't going to buy him respect, and isn't going to make him a real man. The fact that Torres beats the shit out of him is just icing on the cake. One lives the life of a real man, the other is a petulant child who's life is so worthless he cries on fucking television because he is too much of a petulant brat to be a man and talk to his fucking father.

He's been talking to his father again. What are you talking about? And why does any of that shit even matter? What does his money and personal life have to do with anything? Is he worrying about your personal life? No, he's living his and you're writing about it.

Your talking about true friends and all that and that bullshit. The only true friend is the dollar in your pocket. That's it. I'd MUCH RATHER trust my dollars than trust my friends, that's for damn sure, and as long you have money and lot's of it, you're good. And Mayweather's life doesn't seem worthless to me.

Let's see here. One guy fights on PPV and makes millions and arguebly the best boxer on the planet, retired and still everyone kept talking shit about him, the other is pretty much an unknown that fights on Versus:lol: At the end of the day, Miguel Torres can only dream of being as big a name as Floyd Mayweather. He'd prefer to have all that money, he'd prefer to have that limelight. But different strokes for different folks.

[SouthpawSlayer]

:blood

David hate has been doing Judo casually, big difference. Torres has been boxing for 10 years, so do you think he would know how to box with Haye? The gap between Torres' mma/grappling and Hayes is bigger than the boxing gap; torres is pound for pound top five, Haye isn't.

If torres can avoid getting KO'd before the first clinch or ground encounter, which is no easy task obviously, it's a grappling match, and torres dominates any grappling exchange at all between the two.

haye has been involved in martial arts since the age of 3, and has practised judo, bjj and karate, when grappling in third space in london haye's athleticism makes him hold his own against guys with good records and have been training bjj for 15 plus years

torres wouldnt have a hope in hell in a grappling match with haye, torres is at 135 an haye is a huge muscular hw, hayes jab would ko torres and if torres got in close haye has good kicks and torres would not have the size or strenght to trouble haye, as i said haye is known to hold his own against decent guys his own size from space im sure he can handle torres

as i said haye would rape torres :deal

[SouthpawSlayer]

Dominant might not be the best word, but all around better man is. Flour has money, that's it. Torres has the love of his family, the love of his community, real friends rather than paid yes men who only cater to his ego. On his death bed all that money isn't going to but him love, isn't going to buy him respect, and isn't going to make him a real man. The fact that Torres beats the shit out of him is just icing on the cake. One lives the life of a real man, the other is a petulant child who's life is so worthless he cries on fucking television because he is too much of a petulant brat to be a man and talk to his fucking father.

come on if your father constantly battered your mother you would hold some against him, floyd is still loved by the rest of his family dearly as he is the one who has shared his wealth, he is the one that provides to the poor in the working class areas of michigan, from what i hear quite a lot of folk love floyd, everyone who has met him says he is a cool guy. when pbf visited london the other month thousands turned up to see floyd train, now if torres was to turn up to train he might get 35.

dont go on with that bullshit that he wont have his mates and all that bollox, the man is a clever business man and im sure he will know who is friends are at this stage, torres has the love of the community:lol::lol: you really do have some good quotes. anyway back to the point torres is nothing to mayweather he might be top 5 p4p in mma but the guy is an unknown, even in the world of mma he is still relatively unknown by some of your so called fans, as a household name if you mention torres they think you are on about the footballer for liverpool:hi:

[codeman99998]

what a dumb quote, mayweather is at a level in his sport which torres will never reach, no mma fighter is even close to pbf's dominance, do you think being the most dominant man in the room :lol::lol::lol: (what age are you btw) is lifes most important thing, i know id rather have mayweathers bank balance than be the most dominant man in the room, who needs mma skills when you have 3 bodyguards all packing heat. mayweather is getting 15 mill for fighting a blown up lightweight and torres is struggling to pay his mortgage

I scoff at the notion that no mma fighter is close to pretty boy floyd's dominance. At least Miguel Torres takes the hardest challenges ON THE REGULAR. Georges St. Pierre beat a good Hughes and a great Penn and the #1 contender and the #2 contender etc. etc. Anderson Silva cleared out every single challenger in his division (that fights in the UFC at least) and is now moving up in weight. Fedor has beaten multiple world champions.

Pretty Boy Floyd wouldn't fight Margarito. Pretty Boy Floyd wouldn't fight Cotto. Pretty Boy Floyd is now fighting a natural lightweight. Sure, he is making a lot of money, but the most dominant? That guy won't even take the toughest challenges.

Sugar Ray Leonard. Marvin Hagler. Ali.... These were boxers that took on the best of their era. Pretty Boy Floyd routinely refuses to do that and for that reason, he is NOT the most dominant. In order to be the most dominant you have to beat the BEST.

[codeman99998]

come on if your father constantly battered your mother you would hold some against him, floyd is still loved by the rest of his family dearly as he is the one who has shared his wealth, he is the one that provides to the poor in the working class areas of michigan, from what i hear quite a lot of folk love floyd, everyone who has met him says he is a cool guy. when pbf visited london the other month thousands turned up to see floyd train, now if torres was to turn up to train he might get 35.

dont go on with that bullshit that he wont have his mates and all that bollox, the man is a clever business man and im sure he will know who is friends are at this stage, torres has the love of the community:lol::lol: you really do have some good quotes. anyway back to the point torres is nothing to mayweather he might be top 5 p4p in mma but the guy is an unknown, even in the world of mma he is still relatively unknown by some of your so called fans, as a household name if you mention torres they think you are on about the footballer for liverpool:hi:

You think that money and fame is what makes you dominant. By that reckoning Oscar De La Hoya was the most dominant boxer of all time.

[SouthpawSlayer]

its all about risk and reward boxing is a business first sport second, if a risk is larger than reward then why take the fight, in mma the purses are so small that the reward is always gonna be lower than risk which is what motivates mma fighters to take the so called toughest fights, mayweather because of that 0 in his record is getting 15 mill in his next fight and not 2 mill, so when i hear this argument i say well hey can you blame him

[codeman99998]

its all about risk and reward boxing is a business first sport second, if a risk is larger than reward then why take the fight, in mma the purses are so small that the reward is always gonna be lower than risk which is what motivates mma fighters to take the so called toughest fights, mayweather because of that 0 in his record is getting 15 mill in his next fight and not 2 mill, so when i hear this argument i say well hey can you blame him

No, I can't blame him for making wise business decisions for his future. But I can accurately state that he isn't the most dominant champion and I can blame you for saying he is the most dominant when he is not.

[SouthpawSlayer]

i said mayweather would of been the more dominant person had mayweather and torres been in the same room as some other poster stated this dumb quote, in this world its money that gets you power nothing else

[Beebs]

haye has been involved in martial arts since the age of 3, and has practised judo, bjj and karate, when grappling in third space in london haye's athleticism makes him hold his own against guys with good records and have been training bjj for 15 plus years

torres wouldnt have a hope in hell in a grappling match with haye, torres is at 135 an haye is a huge muscular hw, hayes jab would ko torres and if torres got in close haye has good kicks and torres would not have the size or strenght to trouble haye, as i said haye is known to hold his own against decent guys his own size from space im sure he can handle torres

as i said haye would rape torres :deal

If you think Haye lasts 5 minutes in a grappling match with Torres you are simply disqualified from the conversation. 250 lb monsters with a lifetime of grappling reguarly lose to small guys in the open weight division of ADCC, the mundials, and every other grappling competiton that matters.

Look at the winners of the absolute or open weight divisions in grappling, they are full of guys like Marcelo Garcia. While Torres is no Garcia, Haye is a hobbyist, not a world class grappler, not a regional class grappler, not the beat grappler in whatever gym he happens to be in.

To suggest Haye wins a grappling match agaisnt Torres is the single fucking most out of touch with reality statement I have read on any message board ever.

[Beebs]

He's been talking to his father again. What are you talking about? And why does any of that shit even matter? What does his money and personal life have to do with anything? Is he worrying about your personal life? No, he's living his and you're writing about it.

Your talking about true friends and all that and that bullshit. The only true friend is the dollar in your pocket. That's it. I'd MUCH RATHER trust my dollars than trust my friends, that's for damn sure, and as long you have money and lot's of it, you're good. And Mayweather's life doesn't seem worthless to me.

Let's see here. One guy fights on PPV and makes millions and arguebly the best boxer on the planet, retired and still everyone kept talking shit about him, the other is pretty much an unknown that fights on Versus:lol: At the end of the day, Miguel Torres can only dream of being as big a name as Floyd Mayweather. He'd prefer to have all that money, he'd prefer to have that limelight. But different strokes for different folks.

One man is happy with his life and is loved and respected, one boy is clearly not loved by anybody he doesn't pay.

All the money in the world can't buy you class, dignity, or respect, which joy boy has zero of.

[Dynamite Kid]

One man is happy with his life and is loved and respected, one boy is clearly not loved by anybody he doesn't pay.

All the money in the world can't buy you class, dignity, or respect, which joy boy has zero of.

What is it with you and all this love and respected crap? I could see if you were sticking to the real topic of Torres beating up on Floyd MMA wise, but you're talking about shit completely off topic. Friends, and love, and money, and dignity, and all this crap:tired Fact is, more people hate Floyd Mayeather than people even know of Torres:lol:

[Polymath]

torres wouldnt have a hope in hell in a grappling match with haye

:rofl

[SouthpawSlayer]

One man is happy with his life and is loved and respected, one boy is clearly not loved by anybody he doesn't pay.

All the money in the world can't buy you class, dignity, or respect, which joy boy has zero of.


poor old floyd isnt loved by anyone:lol::lol::lol:

this is some quality stuff, hey at least he will have 100 dollar bills to wipe his eyes

[Beebs]

While haye is winning that grappling match huh? Dumbest fucking thing I have ever read.

[SouthpawSlayer]

While haye is winning that grappling match huh? Dumbest fucking thing I have ever read.

but at least haye is loved and has dignity:lol::lol::lol::lol:, you sad fuck

anymore bible bashing quotes for me

[Dynamite Kid]

but at least haye is loved and has dignity:lol::lol::lol::lol:, you sad fuck

anymore bible bashing quotes for me

:lol:

[Beebs]

but at least haye is loved and has dignity:lol::lol::lol::lol:, you sad fuck

anymore bible bashing quotes for me


Bible basing? I'm an atheist. What I'm saying is that not only is torres the better fighter, he is the better man, Floyd has more money but that can always go away, being a real man doesn't.

Know, tell me how Haye wins a grappling match, I'm just fucking diein to hear that.

[Dynamite Kid]

Bible basing? I'm an atheist. What I'm saying is that not only is torres the better fighter, he is the better man, Floyd has more money but that can always go away, being a real man doesn't.

Know, tell me how Haye wins a grappling match, I'm just fucking diein to hear that.

HOW THE HELL IS TORRES THE BETTER FIGHTER?:blood FLOYD IS A BOXER, TORRES IS AN MMA FIGHTER. IT'S NOT EVEN COMPARABLE. THAT SHIT IS RIDICULOUS:patsch

[Beebs]

HOW THE HELL IS TORRES THE BETTER FIGHTER?:blood FLOYD IS A BOXER, TORRES IS AN MMA FIGHTER. IT'S NOT EVEN COMPARABLE. THAT SHIT IS RIDICULOUS:patsch

Because if you remove all outside influences and have them fight, Torres wins easily. Yes I realize Floyd is only a boxer, and it is comparing two different sports, but that is warranted given lil joy boy's take that boxers are better fighters than mma fighters.

To win a fight with Torres Mayweather either needs rules, a weapon, or some other outside influence.

In just a fight between two men, Torres wins, hence he is the better fighter. He may not be the better "athlete" or "sports participant" but he is the better fighter, and by far the better man.

[Polymath]

I kinda feel sorry for Mayweather. Hes like an insecure 12 yr old.

Actually, forget that. Noone who makes 20 million for sparring deserves any sympathy, ever.

[Dynamite Kid]

Because if you remove all outside influences and have them fight, Torres wins easily. Yes I realize Floyd is only a boxer, and it is comparing two different sports, but that is warranted given lil joy boy's take that boxers are better fighters than mma fighters.

To win a fight with Torres Mayweather either needs rules, a weapon, or some other outside influence.

In just a fight between two men, Torres wins, hence he is the better fighter. He may not be the better "athlete" or "sports participant" but he is the better fighter, and by far the better man.

:patschDon't give me that shit. Look at all the things Torres would need to beat Floyd, he would have to use things Floyd doesn't train in or have any clue about. Mean while Floyd can whip Torres ass using only his hands. Which is something Torres does train in, but would get his ass totally handed to him if he drew hands with Floyd, which he wouldn't. Comparing an MMA fighter to a Boxer is a very bad comparison my friend.

Very bad. That's like saying Serena Williams would beat Tiger woods in a tennis match. Kobe Bryant would beat Derek Jeter in a basketball game. A hockey team can beat a football team on the ice. All these things are extremely obvious. Your point leads to nowhere my friend:bart

[Dantes]

It all boils down to the simple fact that MMA fighters- pound for pound are the most complete fighters in the world. That being said, Floyd IS a cocky piece of shit (an amazing boxer) but still a piece of shit, that if he fought any top 30 MMA fighter in his weight class, would get fucked up.

Floyd is ignorant in the fact he underrates the MMA fighter's skills and feels free to disrespect them..when the truth is, if the shit hit the fan and they were to fight it out..he would lose and possibly die. So he, and his nuthuggers should STFU and understand the reality of the situation.

[ufoalf]

It all boils down to the simple fact that MMA fighters- pound for pound are the most complete fighters in the world. That being said, Floyd IS a cocky piece of shit (an amazing boxer) but still a piece of shit, that if he fought any top 30 MMA fighter in his weight class, would get fucked up.

Floyd is ignorant in the fact he underrates the MMA fighter's skills and feels free to disrespect them..when the truth is, if the shit hit the fan and they were to fight it out..he would lose and possibly die. So he, and his nuthuggers should STFU and understand the reality of the situation.

:deal

[SouthpawSlayer]

It all boils down to the simple fact that MMA fighters- pound for pound are the most complete fighters in the world. That being said, Floyd IS a cocky piece of shit (an amazing boxer) but still a piece of shit, that if he fought any top 30 MMA fighter in his weight class, would get fucked up.

Floyd is ignorant in the fact he underrates the MMA fighter's skills and feels free to disrespect them..when the truth is, if the shit hit the fan and they were to fight it out..he would lose and possibly die. So he, and his nuthuggers should STFU and understand the reality of the situation.

any mma fighter would struggle with the top 200 ranked boxers of their weight and their is your difference between the 2 sports, mma is a far easier sport to achieve in a limited amount of time and thats also based on personal experience

[codeman99998]

:patschDon't give me that shit. Look at all the things Torres would need to beat Floyd, he would have to use things Floyd doesn't train in or have any clue about. Mean while Floyd can whip Torres ass using only his hands. Which is something Torres does train in, but would get his ass totally handed to him if he drew hands with Floyd, which he wouldn't. Comparing an MMA fighter to a Boxer is a very bad comparison my friend.

Very bad. That's like saying Serena Williams would beat Tiger woods in a tennis match. Kobe Bryant would beat Derek Jeter in a basketball game. A hockey team can beat a football team on the ice. All these things are extremely obvious. Your point leads to nowhere my friend:bart

No its not. It's like saying Miguel Torres would whoop his ass in a FIGHT. I am saying Torres wins a FIGHT, not a sporting event.

[MattMattMatt]

:patschDon't give me that shit. Look at all the things Torres would need to beat Floyd, he would have to use things Floyd doesn't train in or have any clue about. Mean while Floyd can whip Torres ass using only his hands. Which is something Torres does train in, but would get his ass totally handed to him if he drew hands with Floyd, which he wouldn't. Comparing an MMA fighter to a Boxer is a very bad comparison my friend.

Very bad. That's like saying Serena Williams would beat Tiger woods in a tennis match. Kobe Bryant would beat Derek Jeter in a basketball game. A hockey team can beat a football team on the ice. All these things are extremely obvious. Your point leads to nowhere my friend:bart

Floyd was the one doing the whining, and if as you say, the sports are as distinct from each other as tennis is to golf, then it is Floyd who is wrong to say that MMA is the reject bin for people who couldn't make it in boxing.

Torres would destroy Floyd in MMA.
Floyd would destroy Torres in Boxing.

I love both sports, but all this comparison shit is pointless. Anyone who claims that MMA is inherintly less skillfull is just burying their head in the sand. Anyone that claims that 'boxing is irrelevant because MMA fighters would beat them in a street fight' are missing the point.

The only thing that we can say for sure is that Floyd likes attention, Floyd likes whining and Floyd doesn't like MMA. So what? He probably doesn't like Tennis either.

[MattMattMatt]

any mma fighter would struggle with the top 200 ranked boxers of their weight and their is your difference between the 2 sports, mma is a far easier sport to achieve in a limited amount of time and thats also based on personal experience

Any boxer would struggle with a top 10,000 tennis player. Do you really think that is a valid point?

[julianfoster88]

Since Floyd cherry picks his opponents I guess we know who hes going after after he fights Marquez

[Dynamite Kid]

No its not. It's like saying Miguel Torres would whoop his ass in a FIGHT. I am saying Torres wins a FIGHT, not a sporting event.

I just find it ridiculous to say an MMA fighter is better than a Boxer, or a Boxer being better than an MMA fighter. I respect both sports as I have been training in both for years. But what he said was like saying BJ Penn is better than Manny Pacquiao. It's stupid. That's very stupid.

[achillesthegreat]

Too many guys hide behind the apples and oranges example. Both boxing and MMA are fighting. It's not like comparing table tennis and golf.

[Dynamite Kid]

Floyd was the one doing the whining, and if as you say, the sports are as distinct from each other as tennis is to golf, then it is Floyd who is wrong to say that MMA is the reject bin for people who couldn't make it in boxing.

Torres would destroy Floyd in MMA.
Floyd would destroy Torres in Boxing.

I love both sports, but all this comparison shit is pointless. Anyone who claims that MMA is inherintly less skillfull is just burying their head in the sand. Anyone that claims that 'boxing is irrelevant because MMA fighters would beat them in a street fight' are missing the point.

The only thing that we can say for sure is that Floyd likes attention, Floyd likes whining and Floyd doesn't like MMA. So what? He probably doesn't like Tennis either.

I agree with everything you just said, Floyd is wrong and has no clue what the hell he's talking about when commenting on MMA, but it's his opinion. But obviously he's not challenging any MMA fighters. Infact, he was on that circus wannabe MMA show the Iron Ring during his "retirement" and said MMA was a cool sport. I also agree, Floyd says the things he says for attention, but for someone to say an MMA fighter being better than him is one of the most dumbest things I've ever read.

[ufoalf]

Too many guys hide behind the apples and oranges example. Both boxing and MMA are fighting. It's not like comparing table tennis and golf.
Boxers box, MMAists strike(all limbs) and grapple. Who are better at "MMAing"? MMAists. Who's better at boxing? boxers. Who's more likely to win in a hand to hand fight? MMAer.

[Dantes]

any mma fighter would struggle with the top 200 ranked boxers of their weight and their is your difference between the 2 sports, mma is a far easier sport to achieve in a limited amount of time and thats also based on personal experience


Read my post. Everyone here understands that boxers would be better at boxing- what I was reinforcing is the fact that elite MMA fighters are better overall fighters than Boxers. That means if they got in a fight (not a boxing match)- just a plain old fight the odds are stacked monsterously in the MMA fighter's favour- because he has more tools and conditioning for a 'complete' fight than a limited boxer.

A good example would be if Floyd got into a fight with for example Kid Yamamoto- he would not only lose badly but would be at the mercy of Kid's submissions as to how far he wanted to take it.

[Imperial1]

Mayweather knows his days as a ppv attraction are numbered !!

1.7 mil in PPV buys UFC 100 !!

[chimba]

Read my post. Everyone here understands that boxers would be better at boxing- what I was reinforcing is the fact that elite MMA fighters are better overall fighters than Boxers. That means if they got in a fight (not a boxing match)- just a plain old fight the odds are stacked monsterously in the MMA fighter's favour- because he has more tools and conditioning for a 'complete' fight than a limited boxer.

A good example would be if Floyd got into a fight with for example Kid Yamamoto- he would not only lose badly but would be at the mercy of Kid's submissions as to how far he wanted to take it.

If is just a plain old fight with no rules, trust me a tweener can end your life. Lets not confuse real life fighting to sports

[OuterDrake]

Read my post. Everyone here understands that boxers would be better at boxing- what I was reinforcing is the fact that elite MMA fighters are better overall fighters than Boxers. That means if they got in a fight (not a boxing match)- just a plain old fight the odds are stacked monsterously in the MMA fighter's favour- because he has more tools and conditioning for a 'complete' fight than a limited boxer.

A good example would be if Floyd got into a fight with for example Kid Yamamoto- he would not only lose badly but would be at the mercy of Kid's submissions as to how far he wanted to take it.

yeah but a boxer could draw 1st and produce a flash ko.:bbb

lee Murray ko tito with punches. Sunny westbrook landed a combination to don frye when frye had all these weapons to use. You'll be surprised how grappling can be rendered useless in most real world environments.

if fence/rope grabbing was allowed . mma would be a complete mess. imagine every striker would do the rope-A-dope, they never get taken down.

[codeman99998]

if fence/rope grabbing was allowed . mma would be a complete mess. imagine every striker would do the rope-A-dope, they never get taken down.

:lol:That has to be the MOST ignorant thing I've ever read on this forum.

[Beebs]

if fence/rope grabbing was allowed . mma would be a complete mess. imagine every striker would do the rope-A-dope, they never get taken down.

Not really, old vale tudo fights in rings and early UFC fights allowed grabbing the rope/cage. Here is what tended to happen; although here the rope grabbing is illegal, but that doesn't stop Cikatic, mostly because he is insane.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Do not anger Mark Kerr.

[Dantes]

If is just a plain old fight with no rules, trust me a tweener can end your life. Lets not confuse real life fighting to sports


Sigh... Of course-in terms of probability anyone has the chance to win a fight against anyone. I am talking about the MMA fighter has a far greater chance of winning a fight against a boxer in a fight due to greater skill sets and durability for fighting.

No-ones confused- it's the way it is.:deal

[Dantes]

yeah but a boxer could draw 1st and produce a flash ko.:bbb

lee Murray ko tito with punches. Sunny westbrook landed a combination to don frye when frye had all these weapons to use. You'll be surprised how grappling can be rendered useless in most real world environments.

if fence/rope grabbing was allowed . mma would be a complete mess. imagine every striker would do the rope-A-dope, they never get taken down.

See my above post...

[SouthpawSlayer]

Sigh... Of course-in terms of probability anyone has the chance to win a fight against anyone. I am talking about the MMA fighter has a far greater chance of winning a fight against a boxer in a fight due to greater skill sets and durability for fighting.

No-ones confused- it's the way it is.:deal

i dont think anyone was debating the fact that an mma fighter is by far better equipped in a real fight than a boxer to say the opposite is just dumb

[ufoalf]

i dont think anyone was debating the fact that an mma fighter is by far better equipped in a real fight than a boxer to say the opposite is just dumb

And im sorry but boxing is simply the most efficient way to fight in a REAL FIGHT.

:deal

[cloud_cyc]

IMO mma>boxing in terms of being the most efficient way to fight in a real fight...

boxer = boxing skills
mma = muai thai + boxing ( well, not at par with a pro boxer ) + wrestling + karate + bjj + etc. ...

mma has a lot more to offer than just punching...

[demzor]

Mayweather talked trash about MMA a few years ago and Sherk called him out on it... and then Mayweather ran away with his tail between his legs.

He's just trying to get attention

[brixtonbeat]

Since when did watching these sports have anything to do with who would win in a "real fight."

I could care less if Mayweather would "get subbed in 10 seconds," or "Tyson would KO Fedor with one punch."

This is about SPORT. With few exceptions, boxers and MMA fighters aren't meeting in the ring or cage, LET ALONE THE STREET.

Everyone is so fucking sensitive around this whole boxing vs. MMA bullshit. Who gives a fuck? Enjoy what you like, let others enjoy what they like.

[ufoalf]

Since when did watching these sports have anything to do with who would win in a "real fight."

I could care less if Mayweather would "get subbed in 10 seconds," or "Tyson would KO Fedor with one punch."

This is about SPORT. With few exceptions, boxers and MMA fighters aren't meeting in the ring or cage, LET ALONE THE STREET.

Everyone is so fucking sensitive around this whole boxing vs. MMA bullshit. Who gives a fuck? Enjoy what you like, let others enjoy what they like.

Yet, some douchebag person comes down to MMA section of a BOXING forum and starts a fucking thread like that. If you like boxing so much just stay on your fucking forums. Believe me no one regularly visiting MMA forum goes to boxing forum and starts these kinds of threads.
Shit, I only read from boxing forums and never post anything there at all.

I am kind of surprised people even post on these threads :)

[Old Cat]

what a dumb quote, mayweather is at a level in his sport which torres will never reach, no mma fighter is even close to pbf's dominance, do you think being the most dominant man in the room :lol::lol::lol: (what age are you btw) is lifes most important thing, i know id rather have mayweathers bank balance than be the most dominant man in the room, who needs mma skills when you have 3 bodyguards all packing heat. mayweather is getting 15 mill for fighting a blown up lightweight and torres is struggling to pay his mortgage


LOL could not have said it better..

[codeman99998]

LOL could not have said it better..

Really? Are you guys fans of boxing? I would imagine fans of boxing would like to see the best fight the best and for their to be a true champion who proves the dominance he has in his sport by beating the best challengers?

You guys are just following a cult of personality. Do you care about boxing or do you care about Floyd Mayweather's personal financial success? I don't understand the whole "I'm so happy because Floyd Mayweather makes a shit ton of money while not dominating the sport" concept. Hoo-fucking-ray! Floyd is very successful while not fighting Margarito or Mosley or Cotto or Pac-man! Yay Floyd!:roll:

I love MMA and that's why I love to see Torres take on the best challenges. That's why I love to see dominant champs like GSP and Anderson Silva clear out all of the competition. I like to see the best fights, not fighters make tons of money not taking on the best competition.