Castillo definitely took a dive...

[YOUNG*LORD]

I believe he was hurt, but he used it to take himself out of the fight....similar to what DLH did against Bhop. Castillo didn't look as if he was in pain while Cortez was counting. He just sat there with a blank look. Funny thing, in the first 20 seconds of the fight I told my boys that Castillo looked strange and questioned if he was even motivated, since he'll be basically fighting for free.

[Sai]

Are you perchance of Mexican heritage?

[YOUNG*LORD]

Are you perchance of Mexican heritage?No...but I believe that he knew he was going to be in a very tough fight and thought "Why should I fight, when I might not even get paid for it".

[RUSKULL]

Are you perchance of Mexican heritage?

:rofl :yep

[RAMPAGE0017]

Are you perchance of Mexican heritage?


His name is Carlos, so it's entirely possible. :lol:

[sandwichsurgeon]

Of course he was blank you don't screw up your face and bang on the floor (hem) when you have been hit with a shot like that you just freeze, anyone who has been hit in the nuts knows that freezing feeling where you just stand stock still with your eyes wide open, it landed perfectly and was cleaner than a vegans steak knife.

[Anthony Farnell]

No...but I believe that he knew he was going to be in a very tough fight and thought "Why should I fight, when I might not even get paid for it".

Thats different to a dive though and more about desire to fight on.

[geppy]

That punch hurt, look at Castillo's face when it landed. Castillo clinched his side, spun around a circle then went down.

[Sai]

No...but I believe that he knew he was going to be in a very tough fight and thought "Why should I fight, when I might not even get paid for it".

Because losing is going to cost you a lot more in future earning potential than what you would make for that fight. He just got nailed with a massive body shot that took his lliver and his heart away. He got beaten by the better guy.

[RUSKULL]

No dive here folks, Castillo is a warrior and he wouldn't go out like that. He even had that delayed reaction thing that those types of shots usually produce.

[geppy]

If Cotto would of landed that shot, it would of been Ko of the year, wouldnt it Carlos? Hatton landed it, so it was time to think of an excuse.

[C Money]

:-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

Hatton won fair and square, Castillo IS STILL A WARRIOR, a man who gave one of the most legendary performances of all time vs Corrales. Many fighters have been taken out with liver shots and it's not a fairy tale. Saying its a dive is disrespectful to what happened and both fighters.


Hatton's the CHAMP and JLC was a great fighter and forever a warrior, NO DISRESPECT IN THAT WHATSOEVER.

[Jazzo]

It is completely irrelevant.

What matters is that Hatton disposed of another contender, and remains unbeaten.

[RUSKULL]

For the record I do believe Oscar took a dive vs. Hopkins. :D

[Morrissey]

I think it was like more of Morales in his 3rd fight with Pac than than of Dela Hoya.

He knew it would be a very, very long, night of receiving joyless beating and abuse from a fresh and relentless fighter who wants nothing but to beat the hell out of him. The problem was, he could not do anything about it.:yep

[C Money]

For the record I do believe Oscar took a dive vs. Hopkins. :D

Hatton landed a much better, cleaner, harder shot than Hopkins did vs DLH. This was NO DIVE, it was a hard sweeping hook to the backside and bottom of the rib cage and JLC wasnt expecting or prepared for it.

Oscar certainly put on more of a show:hey

[YOUNG*LORD]

you are a total loser. hatton won. he worked for the shot. he planned for it. obviously you know nothing about boxing. you couldnt see what he was working to achieve. lesson 1. hatton went hard to the body=castilo couldnt punch fluently. 2 hatton worked body then head=castillo always was defending. 3 hatton got off first=hatton dictated the fight.

end lesson. rip usa boxing. thank allah!dumbfuck:patsch ...why are you hatton fans so damn sensitive?:lol: It's an observation...I'm not trying down Hatton. Btw...I'm from a boxing family...and boxed most of my life, I think I know what I saw...the fight was close, until the bodyshot...so don't get your panties in a bunch, I not a Castillo fan.

[GalangK]

THat shot definately looked like it hurt. Could he have gotten up? Perhaps, but maybe the pain and the potential for more to come was too much for Castillo.

I certainly don't think that Castillo dove. Not tried hard enough to get up? you can make an argument for that but how many of us would have even tried to get up from a shot like that?

[YOUNG*LORD]

If Cotto would of landed that shot, it would of been Ko of the year, wouldnt it Carlos? Hatton landed it, so it was time to think of an excuse.Geppy don't be a fucking idiot...I wasn't going for Castillo, so there's no reason to look for an excuse...it's my observation. Everybody knows that I'm Rican, and I feed off these Mexican losses but I see what I see...that's all.

[RUSKULL]

I believe he could have gotten up, just as Morales could have against Pac, or Tyson against Williams, but they all had the look in their eyes that they are finished and then you know right away that it's over. It's not a dive though.

Castillo was also down for awhile after the count, and the replay and immediate facial expression of Castillo after taking that punch tells just how much life that blow took out of him.

:good

[cuchulain]

dumbfuck:patsch ...why are you hatton fans so damn sensitive?:lol: It's an observation...I'm not trying down Hatton. Btw...I'm from a boxing family...and boxed most of my life, I think I know what I saw...the fight was close, until the bodyshot...so don't get your panties in a bunch, I not a Castillo fan.

From my other posts it's evident that I'm not a Hatton fan.

NEITHER Castillo or DelaHoya took a dive. Carlos: I remember you mentioned that you boxed (or maybe still do). Clearly, you've never taken a perfect liver shot or you'd know better than to use the loaded word dive.

If Jose (or Oscar) were told that their lives depended on getting vertical inside of 10 seconds, they could have done it.

But continue the fight in that kind of agony? No neither one could. It's unlikely any normal person could. Even if you get up, you're about to be KO'd unless the round is over, and in a more painful and humiliating fashion.

You cannot fight in extreme physical discomfort and hope to be competitive.

Hatton KO'd the man, fair and square.

(so did BHOP, in Oscar's only convincing loss)

[Dekkers]

I believe he was hurt, but he used it to take himself out of the fight....similar to what DLH did against Bhop. Castillo didn't look as if he was in pain while Cortez was counting. He just sat there with a blank look. Funny thing, in the first 20 seconds of the fight I told my boys that Castillo looked strange and questioned if he was even motivated, since he'll be basically fighting for free.

It sounds more like you're saying he quit than he took a dive.

[o_money]

somewhat..but do did tzu...hatton somthers u and does not let u breath.....it makes guys say "fuck it I dont have a chance"!

[YOUNG*LORD]

It sounds more like you're saying he quit than he took a dive.well, yeah maybe...I don't think he went into the fight thinking he was going to take a dive by any sense...but the opportunity came by a hard body shot...and he thought "why not here"...I beleive when you're able to get up, and don't, It's a dive. Yes I beleive he thought " is the punishment worth continuing" I guess not.

[Dekkers]

somewhat..but do did tzu...hatton somthers u and does not let u breath.....it makes guys say "fuck it I dont have a chance"!

I'm not really sure Castillo quit, it was a well placed shot... if he did though, he gave a lot less than Tszyu did before he threw in the towel. Tszyu was pretty much gone, he was getting beaten up, didn't have anything left to get the KO, and wasn't going to win on points with one round left.

[Fallow]

Gatti KO'd Dorin with a pretty huge hook to the liver too if memory serves me, its not like these kind of KO's are unheard of.

[Dekkers]

well, yeah maybe...I don't think he went into the fight thinking he was going to take a dive by any sense...but the opportunity came by a hard body shot...and he thought "why not here"...I beleive when you're able to get up, and don't, It's a dive. Yes I beleive he thought " is the punishment worth continuing" I guess not.

I guess i'm of the school of thought that a dive involves being payed to take the fall, i'm sure Castillo didn't take a cheque from ****** telling him to lie down in the 4th.

[Dekkers]

Gatti KO'd Dorin with a pretty huge hook to the liver too if memory serves me, its not like these kind of KO's are unheard of.

I think people were just expecting more from the fight, the anti-climax is creating all of the shit talking.

[IrnBruMan]

I believe he was hurt, but he used it to take himself out of the fight....similar to what DLH did against Bhop. Castillo didn't look as if he was in pain while Cortez was counting. He just sat there with a blank look. Funny thing, in the first 20 seconds of the fight I told my boys that Castillo looked strange and questioned if he was even motivated, since he'll be basically fighting for free.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

go lick a taint Mr Comedian :yep

[Thinman]

I believe he was hurt, but he used it to take himself out of the fight....similar to what DLH did against Bhop. Castillo didn't look as if he was in pain while Cortez was counting. He just sat there with a blank look. Funny thing, in the first 20 seconds of the fight I told my boys that Castillo looked strange and questioned if he was even motivated, since he'll be basically fighting for free.

Let me ask you a question.
Do you realy think he lost because of that? If you think the reason he lost was because of that, then I can tell you that it is BS.

I told my son that DLH was past it and therefore he was going to lose against PBF.

I told my son that Mayorga was going to lose against Tito because the fight was going to be at 160 and Mayorga had a car accident and did not train properly.

I told my son that DeJesus lost against Duran because of the heat in Panama City that day.

I can tell you many stories. Do you know what I mean?

I am not trying to be an a$$ here, but we have to realise that even though there are some hurdles that every fighter has to face, most of the time they are defeated because the other fighter is better. Period.

We can talk/say whatever we want but the fact is that most of them were/are defeated without any doubt.

Do you give credit to Hatton for defeating JLC? YES OR NOT?

[IrnBruMan]

dumbfuck:patsch ...why are you hatton fans so damn sensitive?:lol: It's an observation...I'm not trying down Hatton. Btw...I'm from a boxing family...and boxed most of my life, I think I know what I saw...the fight was close, until the bodyshot...so don't get your panties in a bunch, I not a Castillo fan.

:rofl

[sugarngold]

It was a damn good fight for as long as it lasted. Castillo's history shows that he comes on strong later in the fight - so props to Hatton for getting the stoppage before the late rounds. I certainly wasn't expecting that. Good fight.

[El Bombasto]

I believe he was hurt, but he used it to take himself out of the fight....similar to what DLH did against Bhop. Castillo didn't look as if he was in pain while Cortez was counting. He just sat there with a blank look. Funny thing, in the first 20 seconds of the fight I told my boys that Castillo looked strange and questioned if he was even motivated, since he'll be basically fighting for free.

After absorbing a body shot, Castillo decided he did not want to fight anymore. I would not call that taking a dive, quitting is probably a more accurate description of Castillo's behavior.

[Cachibatches]

Why isn't Catillo getting paid? I haven't heard this.

[YOUNG*LORD]

Let me ask you a question.
Do you realy think he lost because of that? If you think the reason he lost was because of that, then I can tell you that it is BS.

I told my son that DLH was past it and therefore he was going to lose against PBF.

I told my son that Mayorga was going to lose against Tito because the fight was going to be at 160 and Mayorga had a car accident and did not train properly.

I told my son that DeJesus lost against Duran because of the heat in Panama City that day.

I can tell you many stories. Do you know what I mean?

I am not trying to be an a$$ here, but we have to realise that even though there are some hurdles that every fighter has to face, most of the time they are defeated because the other fighter is better. Period.

We can talk/say whatever we want but the fact is that most of them were/are defeated without any doubt.

Do you give credit to Hatton for defeating JLC? YES OR NOT?of course I give him credit...I'm not saying that hatton would'nt get the TKO anyway...I'm talking specifically about the bodyshot...and his motivation at that moment.

[Scar]

Took a dive?, come on!
He was caught and that was it, definitely not the first time it happens in boxing.

[PBF P4P #1]

you are a total loser. hatton won. he worked for the shot. he planned for it. obviously you know nothing about boxing. you couldnt see what he was working to achieve. lesson 1. hatton went hard to the body=castilo couldnt punch fluently. 2 hatton worked body then head=castillo always was defending. 3 hatton got off first=hatton dictated the fight.

end lesson. rip usa boxing. thank allah!

Castillo is USA Boxing :patsch .....hahahahhahaa

[IrnBruMan]

DLH has brought suspicion into the realm of body KOs. Unless somebody leaves a three coiler on the canvas, they are faking it.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[Thinman]

of course I give him credit...I'm not saying that hatton would'nt get the TKO anyway...I'm talking specifically about the bodyshot...and his motivation at that moment.

Thank you for your answer.

Final question that I have is.....Do you really think the outcome of this fight would have been different if JLC had not had those small issues he had before the fight?

[Dekkers]

DLH has brought suspicion into the realm of body KOs. Unless somebody leaves a three coiler on the canvas, they are faking it.

:lol:

[Thinman]

DLH has brought suspicion into the realm of body KOs. Unless somebody leaves a three coiler on the canvas, they are faking it.

I did not notice why the rest of the people were laughing, but after checking previous posts, I found out.

This is hilarious. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[YOUNG*LORD]

Thank you for your answer.

Final question that I have is.....Do you really think the outcome of this fight would have been different if JLC had not had those small issues he had before the fight?No, I don't think it would've been different..except for the length. Also I don't think Castillo should be fighting at 140.

[Beebs]

Castillo took a brutal left hook to the liver, so if thats what you mean by taking a dive, then yea, perfect 10. If you had ever been punched in the liver you know its debilitating.

[Thinman]

No, I don't think it would've been different..except for the length. Also I don't think Castillo should be fighting at 140.

Do you think he should be fighting at 147 instead? He cannot fight at 135 anymore. Should he retire now?

[JamRos]

Hatton's just the better fight at 140.

[YOUNG*LORD]

Do you think he should be fighting at 147 instead? He cannot fight at 135 anymore. Should he retire now?he should retire...He had a strength advantage at 135 and it help especially against Coralles...at 140 he has zero pop...at 147 it would be even worse.

[Thinman]

he should retire...He had a strength advantage at 135 and it help especially against Coralles...at 140 he has zero pop...at 147 it would be even worse.

I heard you. Very sad...he is one of the fighters that we want to see fighting and probably now he will have to say goodbye to boxing.

I wish him the best.

[divac]

Hatton had already thrown a few hooks to Castillo's body in that 4th round that had him rather uncomfortable.

The hook that ended it had leverage, power and snap to it.
It was a perfectly placed hook to the liver.

You'd have to be a complete retard on the subject of boxing to think that Castillo could have continued had he wanted too.....as a previous poster mentioned, Castillo had that classic delayed reaction that happens often when a fighter gets caught with a hard shot to the liver.

Sorry Charlie, but you need to get a clue. This was'nt DLH taking a dive vs Hopkins to save himself from a beatdown.
That bodyshot from Hatton to Castillo was pure devestation!

[rochsolloch]

you obviously have never felt a solid body shot back there under the elbow where there is no protection whatsoever im an ex pro fighter and trust me that body shot was a peach and crippled castillo!
look at his face grimace!
he could have stood up but hed have been seriously hurt.

[eze]

Watch Jose's face as the body shot happens, he winces in pain. If you truely believe he took a dive, you need to get off the forums.

[errsta]

...in the first 20 seconds of the fight I told my boys that Castillo looked strange and questioned if he was even motivated...

Déjà vu!!!

I said the exact same thing (and within the same time frame) of John Ruiz when he fought David Tua.

[maciek4]

Every time a great fighter gets dominated there is a question of taking a dive. The same case was with Morales vs Pacquaio 3.

[divac]

Déjà vu!!!

I said the exact same thing (and within the same time frame) of John Ruiz when he fought David Tua.:lol: :rofl

[Decebal]

Gatti KO'd Dorin with a pretty huge hook to the liver too if memory serves me, its not like these kind of KO's are unheard of.

Yeah, but Dorin was never going to win that fight...when he got hit, he went down and decided to stay down...

[sandwichsurgeon]

-_A-hmw4b18

That was no dive

[Decebal]

Ok, watched the whole of the 4th round...Castillo was not at his best...also Ricky was in top shape - much faster than his competitor. I also counted 5 body shots to the side a shot to which KO'd Castillo (there were about 2 to the other side too). So...NO...it wasn't a dive...the accumulation of shots would have felled anyone...and NO...Castillo doesn't have a douchewater liver...but it's not 100 proof either! The fact that Castillo was "shot" (not what he once was) has nothing to do with the fact that Ricky's shots would have hit a prime Castillo too, and would eventually have brought him to his knees anyway...perhaps not as early as the 4th round though...but a Ricky in that shape would have beaten any version of Castillo, eventually...of that I am sure!:rasta

[jc]

Body shot of the decade. :yep


No dive, dont be daft.

[psychopath]

Nah I won't call that a dive. JLC was hurt and he was still hurting when the ref counted 10 . . . he could have stand up if he wanted to but knowing he can't move and protect himself he decided to stay down instead of getting more severe punishment.

[Danny Ocean]

jlc wasnt himself he didnt seem motivated

[MancMexican]

A dive?! OMFG, did you not watch the fight? He took a picture perfect shot after taking several more there previously. It's not rocket science when someone doesn't get up after one of those.

[sandwichsurgeon]

A thing of beauty

[Thom]

Castillo is USA Boxing :patsch .....hahahahhahaa


Yeah, can someone to me explain how the US fans and boxing establishment are taking it on the chin because some people aren't thrilled that Hatton KO'd a Mexican, not a Mexican American, but a MEXICAN fighter. It's also hilarious to see half of these brain deads crying and crying about anti-white and anti-European racism in the States. Is that some kind of bad joke? Are people really that bereft of knowledge regarding the social dynamics in this country. If anything, American promoters and networks WANT successful white fighters on television because there are plenty of Americans who would be much more interested in rooting for white fighters from other countries than non-white talent from right here in the States. Sad, but true and anyone who denies that fact has their head lodged firmly inside of their rectum.


BTW This is ESB. Top fighters get trashed here after big victories all of the time. It's funny how no one gives a shit when it's someone they despise, but as soon as some goes after their guy, it's :neutral: :crybaby :neutral: :crybaby :neutral: :crybaby.

I realize that our idiot President has made us very unpopular around the world in the last few years, but I've just about had it with the America bashing when the discussion doesn't even come close to merting it.

[joito3]

i don't think castillo took a dive but de la hoya sure did ! You see the difference kiddies !!! castillo is frozen and can't move while dlh pounds the mat and rolls around like a toddler !

[o_money]

I'm not really sure Castillo quit, it was a well placed shot... if he did though, he gave a lot less than Tszyu did before he threw in the towel. Tszyu was pretty much gone, he was getting beaten up, didn't have anything left to get the KO, and wasn't going to win on points with one round left.


ya just watched the fight again in sobriety and that was a perfect shot! One of the best I've everseen.

[Decebal]

ya just watched the fight again in sobriety and that was a perfect shot! One of the best I've everseen.

it wasn't just that one shot...it was an accumulation...at least 5 bodyshots to that side in that round...that kind of strategy perfectly executed would have taken anyone out sooner or later...Ricky was ready for WAR!!! HE WASN'T JOKING!!!...But not the kind of war that Castillo expected, with swings to the head...Hatton swung just to get close to Castillo, and either clinch or...more often than not...deliver the bodyshots.

[platnumpapi]

No...but I believe that he knew he was going to be in a very tough fight and thought "Why should I fight, when I might not even get paid for it".

:good

hook and clinch hatton like harold said.
ricky started the clinch and the ref did nothing and when castillo tryed to fight back with his on tactics, cortez took a point and i dont even remembering hearing a warning from cortez.plus castillo was not getting paid and i think he knew he was not going to win ud over hatton and just said fuck it im done.

he left so fast after the fight, no interview or nothing.just sayed thanks to hatton and then he left.old or shot, i think castillo either took a dive or he just gave up in hte 4th round.

the body punch was good, i just think castillo just sayed fuck it.castillo could not get off any punches because of the clinches ricky started and then when he hit some what south of the border he was deducted a point.

so by fourth round it was clear that castillo was going to need a ko to win.and his style of inside fighting his different from rickys.castillo likes to stand in front and just lean forward and throw.hatton throws 2 or 3 punches and then holds and hits.the ref breaks them up and then he does it all over again.

castillo sayed the hell with this shit, the hell with the god damn band playing during the fight, the god damn singing and the hell with the fight.he got hurt with the body blow and just sayed im done.but it was a comboniation of a few things then just the body blow.i think the way the fight was going, the holding and the point being taken away was enough for castillo to say fuck it.

and no damn money.good fight hatton but you get little credit for this one.

[grayggr]

Let me get this right...

60+ Fights, Castillo has never been counted out if I am right (Hatton the first boxer to do so). One of the most courageous fighters over the last 5-10. Yet he dived?

Lets get real here. He got hit by a man whose body punch power is on another level. No one works the body like Hatton. Look at several of his past fights when he has employed a 'go to work on the body' tactic. There are several fighters who have all reacted in the same way as Castillo last night. It's the delayed reaction that tells the truth in the knockout. That kind of 'shit that hurt', then the realisation that you cant breathe, everything sapped out of you. I've seen it before, to me his well executed body KO's are a thing of beauty. An artist carrying out his craft. I've no doubt that over the next 3 years we will see another opponents face screw up in complete agony as Hatton lands to the body on them.

Hatton is also known as the Bodysnatcher, it needs no further explanation.

One thing I would say (slightly off the topic of this thread) was the hugging,clinching issue. Both fighters work inside, and that's exactly what they were doing WORKING. Both were throwing sweet hooks to the body and uppercuts which inevitably will lead to holding, excessive??? Definitely not. Like it or not Hatton's style will lead to holdng at some point, it's close quarters warfare in there. If you dont like the style .. dont watch it.

For me I will continue to watch Hatton destroy previous champions by using great footwork (underrated - Hatton one dimensional - I hate that), unorthodox angles to fire off into the body, and great risk taking by having a piss poor defence. I'd rather watch this than some cumbersome chess match. The fight was won and lost in the trenches, both are brave, and courageous fighters.

One last point. Hatton got jammed by a snarling body shot in round 5 by the Tyson-esque brute/plodder Juan Urango. Of course this was touted as Hatton's achilles heel in last nights fight. Castillo, touted as having one of the best left hooks to the body in the business, connecting on several occasions and not once did Hatton flinch. He answered another question right there. Not that he needed to.. what having only been down once in 43 fights (flash knockdown by Eammon Magee).

Great win by Hatton, more impressive than the ugly fights v Collazo and Urango (last rounds). His last 5 fights, 4 have been against current champs and one against a two time ex-champ. His resume is getting better, he's a humble great promoter of boxing outside of the ring and still he gets the hate.

Lets hope he keeps letting his fists do the talking.

[Doppleganger]

you obviously have never felt a solid body shot back there under the elbow where there is no protection whatsoever im an ex pro fighter and trust me that body shot was a peach and crippled castillo!
look at his face grimace!
he could have stood up but hed have been seriously hurt.

Absolutely and well said. If he had gotten up the fight would have been stopped seconds later anyway. All this talk of a dive is utter nonsense.

[sandwichsurgeon]

:good

hook and clinch hatton like harold said.
ricky started the clinch and the ref did nothing and when castillo tryed to fight back with his on tactics, cortez took a point and i dont even remembering hearing a warning from cortez.plus castillo was not getting paid and i think he knew he was not going to win ud over hatton and just said fuck it im done.

he left so fast after the fight, no interview or nothing.just sayed thanks to hatton and then he left.old or shot, i think castillo either took a dive or he just gave up in hte 4th round.

the body punch was good, i just think castillo just sayed fuck it.castillo could not get off any punches because of the clinches ricky started and then when he hit some what south of the border he was deducted a point.

so by fourth round it was clear that castillo was going to need a ko to win.and his style of inside fighting his different from rickys.castillo likes to stand in front and just lean forward and throw.hatton throws 2 or 3 punches and then holds and hits.the ref breaks them up and then he does it all over again.

castillo sayed the hell with this shit, the hell with the god damn band playing during the fight, the god damn singing and the hell with the fight.he got hurt with the body blow and just sayed im done.but it was a comboniation of a few things then just the body blow.i think the way the fight was going, the holding and the point being taken away was enough for castillo to say fuck it.

and no damn money.good fight hatton but you get little credit for this one.

Hatton KO'd him fair and square with a picture perfect body shot, man the fuck up and stop making excuses.

[roly]

to say he even quit is rubbish, the guy couldn't breathe.

Castillo said: "He got me very good with that punch," said Castillo afterwards. "I have never been caught that way. It was the perfect shot. I couldn't breathe. I couldn't get up."

"I'm very sad. Hatton against Mayweather? It would be interesting - like cat and mouse."

and bob arum said: Bob Arum, who said: "I've been in boxing 42 years and I've probably seen that shot hit perfectly five times.

"Once you get hit that way the guy can't breathe for 30 seconds and there's nothing he can do no matter how much he wants to get up. It is more effective than a knockout punch on the chin."

[Beatboxer]

He might have lacked the same motivation but there is no way he took a dive

that was a perfect liver shot and Castillo was wincing constantly getting hit to the body prior to that

[SweetScienceFan]

Of course, everyone who gets knocked out by a body shot is taking a dive these days. I would love for you guys to eat a body shot like that. It would change your prospective in a split second.

[tills9191]

No...but I believe that he knew he was going to be in a very tough fight and thought "Why should I fight, when I might not even get paid for it".


why wasn't he going to get paid for the fight???whats the reason??

[maciek4]

well, yeah maybe...I don't think he went into the fight thinking he was going to take a dive by any sense...but the opportunity came by a hard body shot...and he thought "why not here"...I beleive when you're able to get up, and don't, It's a dive. Yes I beleive he thought " is the punishment worth continuing" I guess not.

But that right there tells you what kind of a beast Hatton is if he makes warriors like Castillo think "better not continue or I will get a whooping of my life". It was a similar situation when Morales didnt continue against Pacquaio.

[RUSKULL]

i don't think castillo took a dive but de la hoya sure did ! You see the difference kiddies !!! castillo is frozen and can't move while dlh pounds the mat and rolls around like a toddler !

Exactly. ODLH wanted out of a fight he was losing so he put on an Oscar-worthy performance. Castillo however, took the shot, then the pain & loss of breath started to kick in and he turned away, and collapsed. The delayed reaction would be very hard to fake.

No dive, not in my opinion anyway.

[vonBanditos]

:good

hook and clinch hatton like harold said.
ricky started the clinch and the ref did nothing and when castillo tryed to fight back with his on tactics, cortez took a point and i dont even remembering hearing a warning from cortez.plus castillo was not getting paid and i think he knew he was not going to win ud over hatton and just said fuck it im done.



The announcers said they didn't remember any warnings, either, but I distinctly remember at least one, maybe two warnings from the referee about the low blows. They didn't seem all that bad, but he definitely broke them apart when it happened and had a word with Castillo.

[RUSKULL]

Face it, Hatton did what he set out to do. It was impressive to me that he KO'd a great body puncher with a body punch. Recently a MMA fighter Mirko Crocop, who has the best Left High Kick to the head in the sport, was KO'd by a kick to the head from his opponent, Gonzaga. Impressive as well as ironic, just like the Hatton Castillo fight was.

[sarah ross]

Carlos, next time you get a Micky Ward autograph ask him to hit you in the

liver with a left hook then report back to us if you recovered or not in 10

seconds. Castillio is a historically slow starter, he was getting rolling in the

3rd round. Hatton crushed in his liver in the 4th and the fight was over.

[pipe wrenched]

:good

hook and clinch hatton like harold said.
ricky started the clinch and the ref did nothing and when castillo tryed to fight back with his on tactics, cortez took a point and i dont even remembering hearing a warning from cortez.plus castillo was not getting paid and i think he knew he was not going to win ud over hatton and just said fuck it im done.

he left so fast after the fight, no interview or nothing.just sayed thanks to hatton and then he left.old or shot, i think castillo either took a dive or he just gave up in hte 4th round.

the body punch was good, i just think castillo just sayed fuck it.castillo
could not get off any punches because of the clinches ricky started and then when he hit some what south of the border he was deducted a point.

so by fourth round it was clear that castillo was going to need a ko to win.and his style of inside fighting his different from rickys.castillo likes to stand in front and just lean forward and throw.hatton throws 2 or 3 punches and then holds and hits.the ref breaks them up and then he does it all over again.

castillo sayed the hell with this shit, the hell with the god damn band playing during the fight, the god damn singing and the hell with the fight.he got hurt with the body blow and just sayed im done.but it was a comboniation of a few things then just the body blow.i think the way the fight was going, the holding and the point being taken away was enough for castillo to say fuck it.

and no damn money.good fight hatton but you get little credit for this one.

I agree completely with this.

[EpsilonAxis]

He looked very hurt to me.

[DamonD]

castillo sayed the hell with this shit, the hell with the god damn band playing during the fight, the god damn singing and the hell with the fight.
"Why, this crowd is FAR too raucous! It insults my sensibilities! And they're not even staying in tune either, outrageous! That does it..."

[bill poster]

DLH..why would he take a dive? He was doing ok(but not great) up to that point

[flipmode]

Lets face it, the only reason this thread has even begun is because some of the people who have, for the past week been slating 'The Hitman' have been made (yet again) to eat their words.:happy

It's a thread to try and take the shine off what was arguably the best body shot ever thrown. For christ's sake it broke the guy's ribs it was that damn fine.

I'd be reading these boards with more dignity and honour of my fellow posters if they had the decency to say, Ricky did good. He won on merit, it was a fine shot to win any game.

But no, the Ricky haters come crawling out, and unbelievably claim Castillo dived. It's laughable really. But more over it's sad that people choose to defend the indefensible.

Castillo dived, what a statement!:good

[The Italarican]

Lets face it, the only reason this thread has even begun is because some of the people who have, for the past week been slating 'The Hitman' have been made (yet again) to eat their words.:happy

It's a thread to try and take the shine off what was arguably the best body shot ever thrown. For christ's sake it broke the guy's ribs it was that damn fine.

I'd be reading these boards with more dignity and honour of my fellow posters if they had the decency to say, Ricky did good. He won on merit, it was a fine shot to win any game.

But no, the Ricky haters come crawling out, and unbelievably claim Castillo dived. It's laughable really. But more over it's sad that people choose to defend the indefensible.

Castillo dived, what a statement!:good

:huh

Then I saw your location.

Congrats to your boy.

[Imperial1]

How sick must Castillo be right about now ?Loss by a KO and he fought for free ....Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam he got served :rofl

[Lar Janus]

I like Ricky Hatton, think he's a stand-up guy, trains his ass off, shows much love to his fans, is pretty clever, and respectful. That said, its hard to overlook his grappling style of boxing (in his two biggest fights, KT & JLC) and the FACT that he's gotten favorable treatment from the refs in BOTH of the above-mentioned fights.

I was VERY disappointed w/last night's fight! JLC looked a little wobbly, the first couple of rounds, but when he DOES start working his way into the fight, in the third, Joe "I'm fair but firm" [BULLSHIT!] Cortez--after having said in front of EVERYONE that Hatton's shorts were high--starts warning JLC for phantom low blows! There were shades of Manchester and KT, when Hatton looked over at Cortez, after getting hit with a shot clearly NOT low, as if to say, "Hey, mate, you're not gonna let him hit me with body shots, are you?" . Then, at the beginning of the fourth he IMMEDIATELY deducts a point for a shot that wasn't even close to being low! Hatton, meanwhile, contrary to BOXING rules, uses non-stop grappling to maul JLC--with ZERO warnings from Joe "I'm a tool" Cortez. So, we have a fight where one fighter (JLC) is not allowed to throw body-shots, while the other can hold/hit, at will.

I think JLC knew the 'fix' was in, and that he was gonna get DQ'd, if he tried to work the body--which HAD to be a big part of his game plan. I believe Hatton landed a great body shot, but that JLC just stayed down. I hate to see that, and even SAY it, but the bias was unmistakable. Boxing is getting to be as bad as pro-wrestling. It's getting harder and harder to support it, and I've lost a TON of respect (like it HAD much left, anyways!) for the sport with shit like PBF/DLH, Spinks/JT, and, now, Hatton/JLC.

For the Hatton fans: again, don't get me wrong, nothing against Hatton--he's just maximizing the advantages he's being given--he's a class act, outside the ring, and does what he has to, to win, inside. Its just a side effect of the crookedness of the sanctioning bodies, networks, promoters, judges, and referees--that have become the norm in boxing.

[Bazooka]

No...but I believe that he knew he was going to be in a very tough fight and thought "Why should I fight, when I might not even get paid for it".

I also kind of see it this way to, I mean Cortez didnt take any points for holding when he clearly warned Hatton in the first round and he warned him three times in that first round but nothing changed three rounds later in fact Castillo lost a point for hitting on the belt line, so to me in my mind its very possible that Castillo just took that shot knowing he could get up but basicly decided to stay down I mean why continue to fight when chances are you wont get paid and when you clearly have a ref who does not have control of the ring.

[cuchulain]

I like Ricky Hatton, think he's a stand-up guy, trains his ass off, shows much love to his fans, is pretty clever, and respectful. That said, its hard to overlook his grappling style of boxing (in his two biggest fights, KT & JLC) and the FACT that he's gotten favorable treatment from the refs in BOTH of the above-mentioned fights.

I was VERY disappointed w/last night's fight! JLC looked a little wobbly, the first couple of rounds, but when he DOES start working his way into the fight, in the third, Joe "I'm fair but firm" [BULLSHIT!] Cortez--after having said in front of EVERYONE that Hatton's shorts were high--starts warning JLC for phantom low blows! There were shades of Manchester and KT, when Hatton looked over at Cortez, after getting hit with a shot clearly NOT low, as if to say, "Hey, mate, you're not gonna let him hit me with body shots, are you?" . Then, at the beginning of the fourth he IMMEDIATELY deducts a point for a shot that wasn't even close to being low! Hatton, meanwhile, contrary to BOXING rules, uses non-stop grappling to maul JLC--with ZERO warnings from Joe "I'm a tool" Cortez. So, we have a fight where one fighter (JLC) is not allowed to throw body-shots, while the other can hold/hit, at will.

I think JLC knew the 'fix' was in, and that he was gonna get DQ'd, if he tried to work the body--which HAD to be a big part of his game plan. I believe Hatton landed a great body shot, but that JLC just stayed down. I hate to see that, and even SAY it, but the bias was unmistakable. Boxing is getting to be as bad as pro-wrestling. It's getting harder and harder to support it, and I've lost a TON of respect (like it HAD much left, anyways!) for the sport with shit like PBF/DLH, Spinks/JT, and, now, Hatton/JLC.

For the Hatton fans: again, don't get me wrong, nothing against Hatton--he's just maximizing the advantages he's being given--he's a class act, outside the ring, and does what he has to, to win, inside. Its just a side effect of the crookedness of the sanctioning bodies, networks, promoters, judges, and referees--that have become the norm in boxing.

I agree completely with this post EXCEPT I don't think Castillo could have continued. He could have got up but the end was there.

Hatton's fighting style is dreadful and he was the beneficiary of dodgy reffing. I believe he would have probably beaten Castillo anyway, but not Tszyu.

[cuchulain]

:good

you forgot whining an effeminate "FUCK!" while banging the canvas


Both fights ended with debilitating, fight-stopping liver shots, perfectly delivered.

Whether you think one or other was a dive is just a test of whether or not you have an issue with one or other of the fighters.

[divac]

:good

hook and clinch hatton like harold said.
ricky started the clinch and the ref did nothing and when castillo tryed to fight back with his on tactics, cortez took a point and i dont even remembering hearing a warning from cortez.plus castillo was not getting paid and i think he knew he was not going to win ud over hatton and just said fuck it im done.

he left so fast after the fight, no interview or nothing.just sayed thanks to hatton and then he left.old or shot, i think castillo either took a dive or he just gave up in hte 4th round.

the body punch was good, i just think castillo just sayed fuck it.castillo could not get off any punches because of the clinches ricky started and then when he hit some what south of the border he was deducted a point.

so by fourth round it was clear that castillo was going to need a ko to win.and his style of inside fighting his different from rickys.castillo likes to stand in front and just lean forward and throw.hatton throws 2 or 3 punches and then holds and hits.the ref breaks them up and then he does it all over again.

castillo sayed the hell with this shit, the hell with the god damn band playing during the fight, the god damn singing and the hell with the fight.he got hurt with the body blow and just sayed im done.but it was a comboniation of a few things then just the body blow.i think the way the fight was going, the holding and the point being taken away was enough for castillo to say fuck it.

and no damn money.good fight hatton but you get little credit for this one.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Spoken like a true Mayweather nutlicker!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Be afraid Mayweather hardcores, be very afraid, Ricky Hatton is coming and he's calling out your boy Mayweather Jr.!:yep

Power, energy, aggressiveness, and just outright pressure and nastyness.....its got to be a Mayweather hardcores worst nightmare that it has them trying to convince themselves by writing posts like plutnumpapi's.:yep

[pipe wrenched]

jlc wasnt himself he didnt seem motivated

I agree with this. Manny Steward said he didn't look right
10 seconds into the bout.

[Deebo]

Castillo definitely took a dive...

Weak. :verysad

[David UK]

Paralysed. That's what happens when you take a shot bang on from a lethal body puuncher like Hatton. I've experienced it(not from Hatton fortunately!!) and you CANNOT move. Castillo didn't get up for about 30 seconds

[Relentless]

Paralysed. That's what happens when you take a shot bang on from a lethal body puuncher like Hatton. I've experienced it(not from Hatton fortunately!!) and you CANNOT move. Castillo didn't get up for about 30 seconds

he was sitting on his stool and smiling!

but you are right it was a monster bodyshot but the thing that got me was as soon as he went down he took his gumshield halfway out of his mouth and started looking at his corner, he didn't even try get up.

[Vantage_West]

i don't think i would call it a dive.

he gave up but taking a dive is a totally different thing ALTHOUGh its a scale so you have to ask yourself what taking a dive really is.exactly a dive is getting dropped by a light or no punch.

look at the round again he is smacked 6 times with the left hook before the ko. this means he would be struggling to breath and hatton got him when he was taking in a breath. he gave up but not in a cowardly way.

[Vantage_West]

there is a mongolian tortoure(SPELLING? PLZ)
which was for royal prisoners.becuase the mongolians feel it is bad luck to spill royal blood they got 2 wooden polls loads of rope and a iron hammer that curved.

they put them on the 2 polls and tied the with the rope and let the hammer swing like a pendulum and land on the liver......few survived as the liver and organs were badly bruised and caused major damage inside.
and luckly no blood


anyways a liver is a very painful place to get hit by anything when it is a half ton lead wieght landing on you body 6 times...few would stay up

[David UK]

Castillo is gracious in defeat. Not unlike being gracious when making shit predictions.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[YOUNG*LORD]

Carlos, next time you get a Micky Ward autograph ask him to hit you in the

liver with a left hook then report back to us if you recovered or not in 10

seconds. Castillio is a historically slow starter, he was getting rolling in the

3rd round. Hatton crushed in his liver in the 4th and the fight was over.Who are you? where are these fucking newbies coming from...I counted 35 newbies already...this shit is wild.:yep

[Mrboogie23]

I dont think Castillo quit. That was a well placed body shot.

[errsta]

Who are you? where are these fucking newbies coming from...I counted 35 newbies already...this shit is wild.:yep

seriously: if I read a post of yours where your weren't crying in some way, shape, or form I'd probably shit myself.

[nervousxtian]

I don't think anyone really thought that the punch didn't do damage. I think everyone agrees it was an absolutely brutal body shot, with all Ricky's weight right to the side of Castillo. It was a beautiful shot.

It's just that after Castillo went down, he didn't even pretend like he was going to try and get up.. he just watched the ref count him out, then got up.

Could he of gotten up? Maybe not, but he didn't have the heart to try, and it's why it looked like he quit.. shit.. even my wife said "wow, he just quit, didn't he?"

[YOUNG*LORD]

seriously: if I read a post of yours where your weren't crying in some way, shape, or form I'd probably shit myself.wow...you really tried with that witty statement...how many time did you edit...you fucking douche.:good

[Boro chris]

Who are you? where are these fucking newbies coming from...I counted 35 newbies already...this shit is wild.:yep

Their 'shit' makes a lot more sense than the absolute shite you've been spewing.

[YOUNG*LORD]

Their 'shit' makes a lot more sense than the absolute shite you've been spewing.shite?

[Relentless]

ban him

[platnumpapi]

Hatton KO'd him fair and square with a picture perfect body shot, man the fuck up and stop making excuses.

you gone believe that if you want, how come catillo did not give a post fight interview.he just gave props to hatton and left, man the shit just looked strange to me.i made alot of excuses but if it all was bull shit i would not be able to make so many.

the body shot was on the money, but i still think castillo sayed fuck it.i still think it was more of the way the fight was going and him not getting payed that made him stay down, then just the body shot alone.

[errsta]

wow...you really tried with that witty statement...how many time did you edit...you fucking douche.:good

c'mon, let it all out

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:rofl :rofl :rofl

Seriously, though, can you make a valid post without some kind of whining? If this site had a testosterone scale, you'd be below gabby and emma. I know it's cool nowadays for metrosexuals to be mildly effeminate, but you're taking it way beyond mildly, bro.

[samita]

I believe he could have gotten up, just as Morales could have against Pac, or Tyson against Williams, but they all had the look in their eyes that they are finished and then you know right away that it's over. It's not a dive though.

very well put. Its just weird that a proven tough fighter like castillo would decide not get up while he still can

[divac]

I don't think anyone really thought that the punch didn't do damage. I think everyone agrees it was an absolutely brutal body shot, with all Ricky's weight right to the side of Castillo. It was a beautiful shot.

It's just that after Castillo went down, he didn't even pretend like he was going to try and get up.. he just watched the ref count him out, then got up.

Could he of gotten up? Maybe not, but he didn't have the heart to try, and it's why it looked like he quit.. shit.. even my wife said "wow, he just quit, didn't he?"

Ever stop to think that he was trying to compose himself by not panicking?

Somebody in this thread already mentioned it....true legit, hurtful liver shots, paralyzes a fighter. The only think one can do to eleviate the pain somewhat is to stay in a crouched position.
As you could see (unlike DLH who was sprawling all over the ring trying to act out as if he was in hurtful agony) Castillo instantly got in a crouched position, and with the pain not suceeding, came to the conclusion that he was in no position to continue.

Give Castillo credit here people. There were no excuses coming from him. Castillo said, "he hit me with a hard shot unlike I've never felt before."
I've got no reason not to take him at his word!

Castillo had no business getting up if he was still writhering in pain inside.....and I have no reason to believe he was'nt in that type of pain after absorbing that vicious hook to the liver by Ricky Hatton.

[errsta]

very well put. Its just weird that a proven tough fighter like castillo would decide not get up while he still can

Based on Castillo's history, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. There is nothing in the guys past that would suggest to me he would pack it in and "take a dive". The guy has been in some wars and I have never seen him down before.

I'm not sure he would fare well at any point of his career against someone he is unable to bull around the ring. If Castillo-Cotto would have come to fruition, I can't imagine it not having a similar -perhaps more brutal - outcome.

[psychopath]

I'll say it again peeps, that's not a dive . . . JLC was hurt and still hurting when the ref counted 10 . . . he made the wise decission of not standing up because he'll be unable to move and depend himself and he could have taken much more severe punishment which will have the same ending.

Now live by it. :yep

[divac]

I'll say it again peeps, that's not a dive . . . JLC was hurt and still hurting when the ref counted 10 . . . he made the wise decission of not standing up because he'll be unable to move and depend himself and he could have taken much more severe punishment which will have the same ending.

Now live by it. :yep

Exactly!:yep

.....but it seems that those who point to Castillo taking a dive are those that are unwilling to give Hatton the credit he deserves, in fear that boxing fans around the world would demand a fight with a favorite of theirs.......
.....I say Mayweather fans are living in fear, trying to deny any talks about a Mayweather Hatton fight taking place. They did the same with their fear of Margarito at 147 lbs, each time trying to bring down their resume and quality of oppositon.
.....when the truth is that Margarito and Hatton have the style to make for a classic styles matchup of elite slick boxer vs elite punishing bruiser.
.....and in the case of Carlos, God forbid Hatton get in the way of Cotto's rise to stardom.

Dont worry Charlie, there's room enough for both Cotto and Hatton whether they fight eachother now or down the line.
As fans lets demand that these fights between Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton and Margarito get made.
Fighters in their prime fighting eachother now is the exitement that boxing is sorely lacking in right now!

[cuchulain]

Even if he got up, he could not have been any more than target practice. That was the real deal, nothing at first and then "OH SHIT", and then you're worthless.


Exactly the same as Delahoya.

[Rock0052]

I just watched the 4th round on Youtube...and it was no dive. For one, Ricky was punishing the body that round- nearly every combo ended with a hook to the body that landed. The final shot sounded just like someone throwing a hook on a heavy bag....only it was Castillo's body that took it. No way was that a dive.

Even though JLC didn't roll around and scream, he definitely felt the shot. You can see on the video well after the 10 count, Castillo's still down and one of his cornermen actually wipes his cheeks with a towel where chances are, some tears subconsciously welled up.

Jose held in how much that hurt because the dude's a warrior. That was no dive.

[Lance_Uppercut]

He did not take a dive. Anyones, and I mean anyone, who thinks he did is a fuckin moron.

That was a painful looking body shot and Castillo reaction looked legit.

[David UK]

For those who for some odd reason think Castillo couldn't be arsed to get up, how about getting yourselves down to your nearest pro-gym and letting the best fighter there take a free shot at your liver? You know fellas, just for the 'experience'!! You could even fly to Manchester and let Hatton do it himself,just for the 'authentic' experience!! Have a nice little hoilday at the same time.Kill two birds with one stone!!

[DamonD]

Reminded me a bit of Michael Moorer vs Mario Oscar Melo.
Anyone ever seen that? Left hook digging right in the ribs, crunchy.

[YOUNG*LORD]

c'mon, let it all out

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:rofl :rofl :rofl

Seriously, though, can you make a valid post without some kind of whining? If this site had a testosterone scale, you'd be below gabby and emma. I know it's cool nowadays for metrosexuals to be mildly effeminate, but you're taking it way beyond mildly, bro.damn bro, give it up:lol: ...all this time and that's all you can come up with?

[K0NPHL1C7]

I can't find the post, but soon after it was announced that the bulk of Castillo's purse was being withheld, I called him quitting on his stool before the 6th round. The guy kills himself to make weight, and at the last minute he finds out that he's fighting basicly to pay-off fines that he got for, again, killing himself to make weight but missing. Now he's pretty much just making Hatton money, and Hatton returns the favor by holding, pussing, and headbutting? I'm not surprised he didn't get up, what was the point?

[DanePugilist]

Why would anyone take a dive? ODLH was hit with a well-placed kidney/liver punch - you just don't continue after that.

Couldn't see the castillo fight on *******, as it was pic slide shows for me. But why on earth would he take a dive - it just hurts his career. In fact I believe its pretty much over now.

[PH|LLA]

He didn't take a dive. He was hurt, totally outclassed and also lost a point in that round. He just realised he had no chance of winning and gave up.

[Executioner]

I can't find the post, but soon after it was announced that the bulk of Castillo's purse was being withheld, I called him quitting on his stool before the 6th round. The guy kills himself to make weight, and at the last minute he finds out that he's fighting basicly to pay-off fines that he got for, again, killing himself to make weight but missing. Now he's pretty much just making Hatton money, and Hatton returns the favor by holding, pussing, and headbutting? I'm not surprised he didn't get up, what was the point?


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