Just watched ultimate crap!

[PJD3]

I just loss 3 hrs. of my life that I will never get back watching shit!
Throwing a punch at a time at air and then grabbing and hugging and rolling on the ground, shit for nothing scoring, I seen more action at a Jr. high fight!
Ulitmate fighting my ass!
I seen some bad boxing but damn! :twisted:
I sticking to boxing.:bbb I can't understand how that shit even makes it to tv much less ppv ever
If that was and I paid I would of broken my tv and had my sister beat my ass.
I am F:censored K'N PISSED! F:censored k this, I have are ready wasted too much time on this PUNK-ASS GIRLY-MAN CRAP I-'M GETTING LIT:spliff

[box03]

UFC isnt for me either but someone most like it, that mixed shit seems to be on every channel now adays.

[yogster740]

damn.....

[Zakman]

I just loss 3 hrs. of my life that I will never get back watching shit!
Throwing a punch at a time at air and then grabbing and hugging and rolling on the ground, shit for nothing scoring, I seen more action at a Jr. high fight!
Ulitmate fighting my ass!
I seen some bad boxing but damn! :twisted:
I sticking to boxing.:bbb I can't understand how that shit even makes it to tv much less ppv ever
Couldn't agree more. That grabbing, hugging, and rolling around on the ground shit is BORING! :nod Why do you think they have to dress it up with all that macho hype??

[AJAX]

do you ever get tired of writing the exact same rhetoric in these topics?

[doublesuited]

UFC is for bitches.

[knockout]

Its aright i guess if you like mma,too much huggin i was more excited when they were landed blows.

[2smart4u]

I just loss 3 hrs. of my life that I will never get back watching shit!
Throwing a punch at a time at air and then grabbing and hugging and rolling on the ground, shit for nothing scoring, I seen more action at a Jr. high fight!
Ulitmate fighting my ass!
I seen some bad boxing but damn! :twisted:
I sticking to boxing.:bbb I can't understand how that shit even makes it to tv much less ppv ever
If that was and I paid I would of broken my tv and had my sister beat my ass.
I am F:censored K'N PISSED! F:censored k this, I have are ready wasted too much time on this PUNK-ASS GIRLY-MAN CRAP I-'M GETTING LIT:spliff:good Boxing rules ! if your into hugging men Im not with ya !:deal

[yogster740]

y'all got to kiss your breads......mo fos fighten damn lighten up..

[doom bull]

Luckily, I only wasted 2 hours of my life with this. Maybe I don't understand the subtleties but when guys are rolling around on the ground then all the sudden the announcer says exhuberantly "He's got the Kamora!!!", I just don't get it.

[gallagher430]

If you don't like it so much, just don't watch it... I'm a fan of mma, but I'm more for boxing. These are two different sports regardless and shouldn't even be mentioned together. It's like saying football is better than soccer or basketball, there are a few similarities but are incomparable in the overall picture.

[yogster740]

Those guys can definitely fight but they seem like jack of all trades fights . None of them can throw a punch like a great boxer in his prime but they haven't been training since they where 5 either . For me , Real men fight with there fists . Kicking and wrestling is for ninjas and the WWF ! But Yeah , They do kick some ass . Then again , so does a ninja !



wow..............................wow..........sorry....hahahahahahhaha

[41fever]

i hear ya

[doom bull]

I did like how Rampage was rocking the Roy Jones intro music.

[yogster740]

That's the truth ! If you got a problem with someone you punch them in the face . You don't start grapping ass cheeks looking for an armbar . If your going to do that why not just kick in the balls or start stabbing the shit out of the guy ?


we jamin my friend...you got it?

[Amsterdam]

First two quick bouts were fantastic for entertainment value. Main event was a bit slow paced, but solid and the co-feature bout started off well but ended with a horrible decision and stalled last round.

Overall, it wasn't a bad show for free. If you thought it was bad, then you have yet to see some of the worst of MMA.

[KO Boxing]

When MMA is good, it's entertaining. No doubt... In the same way Gatti-Ward is, kind of.

It'll never produce a Hearns-Leonard 1 type fight, though. Hence why I'll always prefer boxing over MMA... Always. And while it may be cliche, the "sweet science" is still a valid argument for boxing.

But each to their own, as I always say.

[Marnoff]

I just got back from casino, was playing Poker and it was on all the televisions. The punches being thrown were so fucking ridiculous, it was laughable. You expect them to come back with a crisp counter, but instead the other guy just loops back his own haymaker.... Was pretty bad from what I saw.

[Marnoff]

On the other hand, you go on how Floyd did well against Baldo and DLH. You can't have it both ways noob. :hi:

He did do well against them.

[yogster740]

First two quick bouts were fantastic for entertainment value. Main event was a bit slow paced, but solid and the co-feature bout started off well but ended with a horrible decision and stalled last round.

Overall, it wasn't a bad show for free. If you thought it was bad, then you have yet to see some of the worst of MMA.


I hear you brother ...I was all satisfied......it was a damn good card :hey

[codeman99998]

The level of retardation involved with some people...

"I just watched all of MMA event whatever and I hated every minute of it. All it is is gay rolling around on the ground blah blah blah."

That's like, the most ridiculous thing ever.

"I just watched 3 hours of daytime soap operas and boy it sure is shitty..."

DONT FUCKING WATCH IT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

[Sheehan]

I watch and enjoy it but only when there is no boxing on.

[nfc90210]

I was pleaed with the show. I really liked the main event. It reminded me of the fight Jackson had with Matt Lindland at that WFA show last year. It wasn’t as good as that fight, but I thought that it was good all the same.

That said, as much as I liked the way the main event unfolded it was probably a fight more for MMA purists than causal fans.

I was at the show live and came away pleased overall. My brother who’s a casual fan of both boxing and MMA came away feeling the same.

As someone said, if you don't like MMA don't watch it.

I don't like tennis. Therefore I don't watch Tennis. If you don't like MMA it seems ridiculous to watch an MMA show simply so you can go online and write, "MMA 4 fags. It suxs."

[dangerousity]

Wow, their boxing isnt as good as a profesional boxer. Im willing to bet you that Mayweather's grappling game isnt 1/100th as good as MMA'ers grappling skills either.

Stop watching MMA and trying to look for boxing in it, it is not boxing. MMA fans dont watch boxing and start looking for how good their grappling game is.

Boxing is boxing anyways, it incoorperates very different set of arsenal/defense skills than to MMA where you dont only worry about fist to head and body, you worry about kicks, elbows and grabs. Fighters can barely deal with Ruiz grabbing, imagine how they would deal with a professional gappler...

[Blacc Jesus]

First two quick bouts were fantastic for entertainment value. Main event was a bit slow paced, but solid and the co-feature bout started off well but ended with a horrible decision and stalled last round.

Overall, it wasn't a bad show for free. If you thought it was bad, then you have yet to see some of the worst of MMA.
Agreed.

[Doppleganger]

As someone said, if you don't like MMA don't watch it.

I don't like tennis. Therefore I don't watch Tennis. If you don't like MMA it seems ridiculous to watch an MMA show simply so you can go online and write, "MMA 4 fags. It suxs."
Exactly... And many on here are acting like boxing has zero issues and every fight and show is exciting. Hardly. At least when an MMA fight is a stinker it can only last max 5 rounds. :p

At least in MMA the top fighters are actually fighting each other. No tune-up fights against tomato cans.

[pipe wrenched]

UFC isnt for me either but someone most like it, that mixed shit seems to be on every channel now adays.

It is for a fact on all kinds of channels. What burns my biscuits is one of there (MMA) arguments is how boxing is fragmented, ABC, blah, blah , blah..... But look at thier shit. They have the luxury of refering to IT ALL as MMA, but what's the real shit?? There's UFC, BoDog Fights, What ever X-treme Showtime calls it, What's the real shit??
And another thing I saw championship matches between dudes with records like (5-3) vs (8-4). Get the fuck out of here with some damn MMA.:patsch

[Goose]

The last night's show was great, I liked the main event as well, Rampage impressed me as an overall a great fighter.

MMA is different from boxing and stands on its own as a different sport, I like both because they are combat sports.

[Amsterdam]

The last night's show was great, I liked the main event as well, Rampage impressed me as an overall a great fighter.

MMA is different from boxing and stands on its own as a different sport, I like both because they are combat sports.

Precisely, I also watch them for two different reasons. I watch boxing for pure entertainment value and I watch MMA to see it continue to evolve, for entertainment and to observe different stylistic technique's because I am a martial artist myself, if the bout is not entertaining to me, I can still watch it just to observe technical things.

If you think the top class guys are just bar fighters that roll around, please observe a bit closer, you're dealing with some of the best wrestlers, brazilian jiu jitsu and hybrid styles in the world at times.

The boxing skill of them needs to improve, but it's going to as time goes on.

But it really is alarming when someone says there is 'nothing to' what's going on in any given MMA matchup, then again, they also rank Bernard Hopkins as the best LHW H2H at the moment.

[Imperial1]

This latest UFC was off the hook the under cards were sick Houstan Alexander is a beast !!Boxing better take notes on how to put on solid match ups !! Anyone who found a problem with this event is just gay !

[Boyd]

The last night's show was great, I liked the main event as well, Rampage impressed me as an overall a great fighter.

MMA is different from boxing and stands on its own as a different sport, I like both because they are combat sports.i guess your a fag then!!!! j/k. the funniest thing about these losers is that not only are they stupid enough to waste 3 hours watching something they hate, they then proceed to spent hours trashing it on websites and scouring forums for other losers just like them. waaay tooo much time and energy for something that one hates. it was an ok card for me. no complaints as it was free. Hamill got robbed in a good fight. CroCop's fight was the only real disapointment of the night for me.

[Imperial1]

Hamill got robbed in a good fight. CroCop's fight was the only real disapointment of the night for me.

Oh hell yeah Hamill was robbed that was nothing more than a home town call ..And yeah Cro Cop was disapointing but then again Congo is a beast as well he just need to fine tune his ground skills .

[Vantage_West]

On the other hand, you go on how Floyd did well against Baldo and DLH. You can't have it both ways noob. :hi:but least there was some ring craft and natural skill it was nie to see a guy on top of his prime not being hit and landing his own...it may have been boring but mma can get really really bad if the guys are jack of all trades.

can see your point in that it goes both ways but man mma can be rubbish especially the uk version they are mostly martial art styl peeps who have great technique but dont know how to engage.

in boxing the whole point of the fight i to set him up in mma it's not like that.

[Club Fighter]

:good Boxing rules ! if your into hugging men Im not with ya !:deal

So that means you're not with a litany of champs and ex-champs:

W Klitschko
Ruiz
Hatton
Raheem
etc.

[Club Fighter]

Those guys can definitely fight but they seem like jack of all trades fights . None of them can throw a punch like a great boxer in his prime but they haven't been training since they where 5 either . For me , Real men fight with there fists . Kicking and wrestling is for ninjas and the WWF ! But Yeah , They do kick some ass . Then again , so does a ninja !
:rofl:rofl:rofl
That was funny.

Apparently no one who posted in this thread saw the first two fights.

[Boinko]

do you ever get tired of writing the exact same rhetoric in these topics?
I find it amusing how certain persons race into the MMA forum after a fight to trash it. Hmmm, you'd think if they hate it so much they'd just steer clear of discussing it altogether, instead of tossing off a drive by post that is neither educated or enlightened.

[jecxbox]

I can't stand mma either. They said it all when they didn't accept Kermit Cintrons challenge after they went on trying to get Floyd Mayweather a pure boxer into the octagon. Cintron with 3-4 oz gloves = fractured bones in the skull. I'd rather watch a sport where these men can master ONE art form than these clowns who really just know a little bit of a few martial arts which in the end makes it all look like absolute garbage. MMA will never have anything on Boxing and the truth is MMA has ridden on the back of Boxing just to get some fame. Boxing has too much history to be fucked with.

[2smart4u]

So that means you're not with a litany of champs and ex-champs:

W Klitschko
Ruiz
Hatton
Raheem
etc.:patsch Clinching in a boxing match is a tad different then roling around with some dudes nuts in your face !:tired

[Still~style]

ultimate foreplay championship

[Boinko]

Cintron was a good wrestler in high school, took it no further than that. Sherk was a top notch collegiate wrestler. He has fought and dominated other guys who have at least as good and better wrestling than Cintron.

Also, a shoot is not "running in". Itr's not like Sherk's gonna start running at him from ten feet away and lower his head to show him he's going for a takedown. He has one of the fastest shoots in MMA, he will get within distance, and play defensively on the feet and shoot low for a takedown. Is a KO from Cintron possible? Sure it's possible, but more often than not Sherk will take him down and win. Sherk also has a very good chin, so I'd say he could take what Cintron throws for the most part without getting KO'd straight up, and as I said, he would likely not be getting tagged like you think anyway, as he would be on the defensive trying to close the distance on the feet looking for the takedown.

Good analysis. It seems a lot of boxing fans assume that boxers possess super human abilities when it comes to punching and no MMA guy could possibly survive long enough to get the fight to the ground.
I'm sorry, but but I'm not buying that. More than likely, a boxer is going to be easy prey for a takedown since his defense in that area will be weak at best.
As you mention, of course Cintron would have a chance against Sherk since he's a huge puncher. But, I have to think the odds are against him since Sherk will be hell bent to take him down and will almost certainly succeed.

[Boinko]

I'm a little concerned about the homoeroticism that so many people read into MMA. I'm worried it might be their own latent homosexuality rearing it's ugly head, and the only way to stifle those feelings is to brand the groundwork as being some sort of "gay act."

I'm curious, does this also extend to into Olympic/college wrestling? There's lots of rolling around on the ground there.

Now how about the clinches in boxing? Do any of you guys turn your heads during them lest you be tainted by the image of two sweaty, shirtless men hugging each other.
I mean, I have absolutely no desire to hug a sweaty, shirtless man, but I'm also not stupid enough to associate any sort of homoeroticism with that part of the sport.

Some people really need to grow up.

[Beebs]

That's the truth ! If you got a problem with someone you punch them in the face . You don't start grapping ass cheeks looking for an armbar . If your going to do that why not just kick in the balls or start stabbing the shit out of the guy ?

Have you ever been in a fight?

[Beebs]

I can't stand mma either. They said it all when they didn't accept Kermit Cintrons challenge after they went on trying to get Floyd Mayweather a pure boxer into the octagon. Cintron with 3-4 oz gloves = fractured bones in the skull. I'd rather watch a sport where these men can master ONE art form than these clowns who really just know a little bit of a few martial arts which in the end makes it all look like absolute garbage. MMA will never have anything on Boxing and the truth is MMA has ridden on the back of Boxing just to get some fame. Boxing has too much history to be fucked with.

So being olympians in wrestling and judo is "knowing a little bit"

Fucking cunt.

[Boinko]

That's the truth ! If you got a problem with someone you punch them in the face . You don't start grapping ass cheeks looking for an armbar . If your going to do that why not just kick in the balls or start stabbing the shit out of the guy ?

Actually, punching someone in the face outside of the parameters of an licensed sporting event is illegal.

So, while there might be a certain honor among streetfighters as to what rules are acceptable or not, ultimately you aren't going to have much of a leg to stand on if you claim that a streetfighter must only throw punches if he is to be legitimate.

Unless you have a certified streetfighting rulebook that I'm not privy to.

[Beebs]

Yes many . I knock people out thank you ! :good

Sure you do, and I'm sure all those fights took place strictly in the boxing range, with a 3rd party their to break you up if you clinched, and I'm sure they never went to the ground.

[Boinko]

It's guy code ! Like not kicking in the nuts :good

So, when you are about to fight someone, do you specify no armbars? How about choke holds? Kicks?

If someone is dumb enough to get in a streetfight to start with, I have no sympathy for them if their opponent doesn't ascribe to all these so called "unwritten rules."

[Boinko]

Stop going off topic . There are no rules . I said real men punch you in the face . They don't start throwing you on the ground looking for arm bars . I said if your going to do that then why don't I just hit you with hammer . It's not ultimate fighting in the real world . You throw some punches and it's over . If you really want to hurt someone like that why not do it right and hit him over the head with a brick or have 4 friends kick the guys head in ? Whats the diffrence between the 2 ? Where's the line ?

Well, like I said, there really isn't a line since it's an illegal activity. No one in a streetfight is under any obligation to follow any particular rules.

And you have defined the rules of streetfight to what suits you. I figure that if an armbar can end a fight, then by all means go for it. It's a tactical move that isn't unfair, in my opinion.

[Marnoff]

It's guy code ! Like not kicking in the nuts :good

There is no code in street fighting. If you think there is, you're bound to get knocked the fuck out the first time you fight anyone worth a damn. There aren't many things worth fighting for in general outside of combat sports, but if you're going to, not being the guy who got fucked up is all that matters.

[Boinko]

What if what suits them best is putting a bullet in you ? Should they do that too ?

So, just to be clear, you're saying that in a streetfight a guy should stick to throwing punches only? If he goes beyond that, its akin to shooting a guy with a guy.
That's a rather silly analogy.

[Marnoff]

Well, like I said, there really isn't a line since it's an illegal activity. No one in a streetfight is under any obligation to follow any particular rules.

And you have defined the rules of streetfight to what suits you. I figure that if an armbar can end a fight, then by all means go for it. It's a tactical move that isn't unfair, in my opinion.

Exactly.

[Boinko]

What you don't think you'll go to jail for breaking someones arm in an arm bar ?

And you can also go to jail for punching a guy in the face. Hec, you could cause him serious damage that goes beyond anything an armbar could do.

The bottom line is that if you get into a streetfight, don't assume there is a unwritten honor that must be followed.
It's an illegal activity, and you better be prepared for anything.

[Boinko]

Yes , That's pretty much the idea :good

You seem to be contradicting yourself. At one point you say that the only honorable thing to do in a streetfight is to throw punches, and anything else is wrong and dishonorable.
Yet, you seem to agree now that using an armbar is OK.

Can you clarify your position?

[jaycuban]

UFC is a very hard sports, as competetive as boxing cause your skills have to be very good to compete in there, but it is not as exciting as boxing, never will be, and plus a sport with a single owner will be never be as big as its potential really is but again, it will never be as big as boxing, the comparison is stupid by the way,

[Imperial1]

Anyone who thinks a street fight can end with a punch in the face suffers from the same mentality of a boxer who thinks they could knock everybody out ..And anyone who thinks that MMA is nothing more than guys hugging each other are the one who are 2 steps closer to leaving the closet !

[Boinko]

No , I agreed that I was defining the rules in my favor . Armbars are for fags ! Just my opinion :good

Well, I define the rules for streetfighting in my favour as well. I just don't get into them!

[Boinko]

Not really I saw allot of ass and ball grabbing in the little bit of the fights that I saw last night . Many people notice that because it's true !

Ass and ball grabbing?!? Are you sure it's UFC your watching?

[Marnoff]

Stop going off topic . There are no rules . I said real men punch you in the face . They don't start throwing you on the ground looking for arm bars . I said if your going to do that then why don't I just hit you with hammer . It's not ultimate fighting in the real world . You throw some punches and it's over . If you really want to hurt someone like that why not do it right and hit him over the head with a brick or have 4 friends kick the guys head in ? Whats the diffrence between the 2 ? Where's the line ?

It's not over that fast if both are good. Best fight I ever saw I wasn't a part of, but it was two guys who were dead tough going at it for what felt like ten minutes, but was probably more like three to five. There were a lot of punches, kicks, slams... everything in the vicinity got smashed including a thick hardwood table.... It eventually ended when the one guy went down and got booted in the face multiple times by the other guy who was leaning against the wall, breathing heavy. Steeltoe boots in the face. The tendrils or whatever from the guy's nose were hanging out.

All in all, there were no rules, and it wasn't over after a few punches at all. If that's how you think it goes, you haven't seen a real fight.

[Marnoff]

Anyone who thinks a street fight can end with a punch in the face suffers from the same mentality of a boxer who thinks they could knock everybody out

A street fight CAN end with a punch to the face.

[Imperial1]

Not really I saw allot of ass and ball grabbing in the little bit of the fights that I saw last night . Many people notice that because it's true !

Most gay people notice gay things in a competitive sport !!



A street fight CAN end with a punch to the face.


Your right but most street fights end on the ground if it didn't finish w/that punch to the face !

[Boinko]

Most gay people notice gay things in a competitive sport !!

I'm starting to think this might be the case. In all my years of watching boxing, I've never seen clinches as homoeroctically charged man hugs!

I suppose someone could see them that way if they really wanted to. If they do, then they're obviously watching the sport for very different reasons than the rest of us.

But, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that very few boxers (or MMA fighters) find anything sexual or erotic about the close contact.

It's call context people!

[Marnoff]

Your right but most street fights end on the ground if it didn't finish w/that punch to the face !

So what are you saying? A fight usually ends on the ground if it doesn't end standing up? Of course.

[doublesuited]

MMA sucks.

[Imperial1]

So what are you saying? A fight usually ends on the ground if it doesn't end standing up? Of course.

Brillliant !! Yes thats what i'm saying !

[Marnoff]

Brillliant !! Yes thats what i'm saying !

A very perceptive observation. I like it.

[Imperial1]

A very perceptive observation. I like it.

Thanks I try my best :good

[Imperial1]

So anyone who notices the multiple ass and ball grabs in every UFC fight is gay ? I don't know your getting pretty defensive about something that is obviously there ? Are you in denial ?

Yeah pretty much because you wanna know how I know your gay ?Is if you count the number of times a man's ass is grabbed in a competitve sport !!

What I get defensive about is the lack of respect shown for these warriors by clowns who like to turn a sport that involves as much skill as boxing into a gay fanatsy !

[Boinko]

So anyone who notices the multiple ass and ball grabs in every UFC fight is gay ? I don't know your getting pretty defensive about something that is obviously there ? Are you in denial ?

Actually grabbing a guy's balls in MMA is illegal. You might be perceiving certain kinds of holds that way simply because a guy's hand gets near that area of the body while he's trying to maintain balance and leverage. I've never seen it as anything more than a tactical move, but I guess some might be inclinced to focus on those body parts as some sort of homoerotic move, but I can pretty much guarantee you that no such thought is going through the fighter's head.
Much in the same way as I've pointed out earlier in the this thread, that a boxer is not going for some sweaty man loving when he clinches his opponent in a bout. It's tactical, plain and simple.

[Beebs]

So anyone who notices the multiple ass and ball grabs in every UFC fight is gay ? I don't know your getting pretty defensive about something that is obviously there ? Are you in denial ?

Nobodies fucking balls got grabbed, you idiot.

So not only are you viewing two people fighting as homosexual, you are now actually fantasizing about nonexistant homosexual acts while doing it.

Youre so fucking deep in the closet youre finding christmas presents.

[Imperial1]

Nobodies fucking balls got grabbed, you idiot.

So not only are you viewing two people fighting as homosexual, you are now actually fantasizing about nonexistant homosexual acts while doing it.

Youre so fucking deep in the closet youre finding christmas presents.




:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Boinko]

No , There is a reason why so many people don't like the UFC and say it's gay . Because that's the way it looks plain and simple .

So how would you respond to a person who says boxing looks gay because two shirtless guys often hug each other in the clinches? And I'm not just posing a hypothetical since I've heard people say that. Very stupid people, but people nonetheless.

[Beebs]

Nobody is saying they are . People are saying they don't want to watch 2 guys rolling around on the floor looking like they want to hump each other .

If you see two guys fighting, and think of it as "wanting to hump" thats all on you faggot.

[AJAX]

the funny thing is the "guys rolling on the ground" arguement they make and say it's all boring. So all boxing fights are exiting? and of course there is no hugging involved in boxing, nor 2 guys playing chase or tag in the ring or is it the art of "sweet science" I've seen tons of boring boxing matches, as well as MMA fights. you bitter boxing fans should grow the fuck up, MMA is still growing and if you don't think so your in denial.

[kirk]

No, the only people who say that are bitter boxing fans, the general public has gone the way of MMA recently. The general public are the ones who generally don't understand technique and crave excitement, so why would they choose the so called boring ass UFC over boxing if it's so lame?

Wrestling (WWE), before their fans went to mma, were also ahead of boxing in terms of popularity and name exposure...

the general public, are idiots.

[Boinko]

I've never heard that .
But, if you did hear that, how would you respond to it? Boxing does indeed contain shirtless, sweaty hugging.
I don't know about you, but I don't hug sweaty, shirtless guys. So, it's very possible that someone could perceive that particular part of boxing as "gay", in the same way that some bozos perceive the groundwork in MMA as gay. No?

[Ethan Trims]

UFC is for bitches.

You realise that in a recent interview, your hero, Zab Judah said he enjoys watching Ufc more than boxing.

[Boinko]

The difference is many people perceive the groundwork in MMA as gay . I've never seen boxing that way and if someone brought it up I wouldn't know what they were talking about . If you say you have no idea why anyone would say that about the UFC then your lying !

No I wouldn't be lying because for it to be "gay" there would actually have to intent on the part of the participants. There isn't.

If I walk down the street in the gay part of the city and see two shirtless guys hugging each other, I call it "gay" without hesitation. When I see two shirtless guys hugging in a boxing ring I definitely don't even think of it being gay because I know there is no intent on the part of the participants in the fight.

Again, it's called context. Anyone with half a brain can figure that out.

[Beebs]

Sure I am :good Is this what it's come to now ? If you notice that something looks gay because it obviously does your gay for noticing :patsch

NOBODIES BALLS GOT GRABBED

You are clearly fantasizing about ball grabbing, you can't be helped.

[Beebs]

No it's not on me . That is what it looks like allot of time . If you can't admit to something as obvious as that then your in the closet singing show tunes :good

Two guys, trying to beat the shit out of each other for a living, looks like two guys trying to beat the shit out of each other, if you impose any sort of sexual intent on that, you probably are a faggot.

[box03]

No I wouldn't be lying because for it to be "gay" there would actually have to intent on the part of the participants. There isn't.

If I walk down the street in the gay part of the city and see two shirtless guys hugging each other, I call it "gay" without hesitation. When I see two shirtless guys hugging in a boxing ring I definitely don't even think of it being gay because I know there is no intent on the part of the participants in the fight.

Again, it's called context. Anyone with half a brain can figure that out. I dont consider boxing or ufc gay, I just wish ufc would be more stand up so I could actually get into the fight. When two fighters are on the ground doing practically nothing its pretty hard to watch, just like excessive holding in boxing. The only difference between the too is usually a ref breaks the hold in boxing pretty quick, while in ufc I seen more than 2 minutes go by before they stand them back up.

[Beebs]

I dont consider boxing or ufc gay, I just wish ufc would be more stand up so I could actually get into the fight. When two fighters are on the ground doing practically nothing its pretty hard to watch, just like excessive holding in boxing. The only difference between the too is usually a ref breaks the hold in boxing pretty quick, while in ufc I seen more than 2 minutes go by before they stand them back up.

It's because you don't know whats going on, flat out, if you did, you wouldn't think the way you do.

[Imperial1]

Exactly , Context . When me or other people say its gay we're obviously not saying these guys are butt fucking each other on national TV we're saying it looks gay and it does . Anyone with half a brain could figure that out .


This coming from a guy who equates mma to gay porn !

[Beebs]

If you really believe there is absolutley nothing that looks gay in the UFC then you are a huge fag in denial :good

Well if you count faggots fantasies, such as you fantasizing about ball grabbing, which did not take place, then yea, I could see how it would look gay.

[Hawks28]

the worst part of the whole event was that cocky fuck Bisping getting a gift decison against Hamill. Robbery. And then Bisping has the nerve to run his mouth and say Hamill should go back to wrestling, after clearly getting beat. It makes me sick. I dont understand how Cecil Peoples is still allowed to judge fights. The funny thing is MMA fans all talk shit about boxing for having bad decisions. Now they are all saying "MMA is turning into boxing, Dana White is Don King." As if they didnt have controversial decisions in MMA before last night. The broadcast had way too many commercials too.

[Boinko]

Exactly , Context . When me or other people say its gay we're obviously not saying these guys are butt fucking each other on national TV we're saying it looks gay and it does . Anyone with half a brain could figure that out .

And I'm saying it's a ridiculous criticism, in the same way it's a ridiculous criticism if someone says boxing looks gay because the guys hug each other.

So, is your aversion to the groundwork in MMA simply because it looks "gay", or because you just don't find it particularly entertaining?

If it's the latter, why don't you just say so instead of trying to throw a red herring into the argument by constantly bringing up the gay thing. You acknowledged that there isn't any gay intent on the part of the fighters, so that fact that it looks gay to you is your problem.
It has nothing to do with the quality of the sport, or it's entertainment value.

If a boxing hater came to this site and went on about how boxers look gay in the clinches, he'd get shouted and/or laughed off the board. Why? Because it's a stupid criticism.
And in regards to MMA groundwork, it's only brought up because some boxing fans/MMA haters feel the need to totally degrade the sport instead of just saying they don't like it, and then moving on. Most likely a reaction to its surge in popularity.

[box03]

It's because you don't know whats going on, flat out, if you did, you wouldn't think the way you do. I understand they want to keep there fighter on the ground and its part of there plan but its boring, most ufc fans would even say that. John Ruiz is one of the worst fighters to watch because he excessively holds I understand that it helps in the ring thats why hes been an off an on champ for the last 6 years, but hes not fan pleasing people want to see action.

[Zakman]

the funny thing is the "guys rolling on the ground" arguement they make and say it's all boring. So all boxing fights are exiting? and of course there is no hugging involved in boxing, nor 2 guys playing chase or tag in the ring or is it the art of "sweet science" I've seen tons of boring boxing matches, as well as MMA fights. you bitter boxing fans should grow the fuck up, MMA is still growing and if you don't think so your in denial.

UFC will NEVER, repeat NEVER have the history and glory of the sweet science. In fact, it is likely a fad that will be gone as quickly as hula hoops and bell-bottoms.

Why? Because when you get past all the hype, two guys rolling around on the ground IS boring. :nod In fact, it's not just boring, it's EXTREMELY boring.:lol: That's why they gotta dress it up with all the WWF-style macho hype!!:yep

[Beebs]

UFC will NEVER, repeat NEVER have the history and glory of the sweet science. In fact, it is likely a fad that will be gone as quickly as hula hoops and bell-bottoms.

Why? Because when you get past all the hype, two guys rolling around on the ground IS boring. :nod In fact, it's not just boring, it's EXTREMELY boring.:lol: That's why they gotta dress it up with all the WWF-style macho hype!!:yep

MMA has been around for as long or longer as boxing.

[Beebs]

I understand they want to keep there fighter on the ground and its part of there plan but its boring, most ufc fans would even say that. John Ruiz is one of the worst fighters to watch because he excessively holds I understand that it helps in the ring thats why hes been an off an on champ for the last 6 years, but hes not fan pleasing people want to see action.

It explains alot that the whole of your understanding of the ground game is "keeping their fighter on the ground", and obviously most MMA fans do not think it is boring, just shit for brains losers who don't understand anything than punching.

[Beebs]

If you really believe there is absolutley nothing that looks gay in the UFC then you are a huge fag in denial :good [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Oh, Artie Lang, I'm so hurt.

You fantasize about ball grabbing, own up to it.

[Imperial1]

UFC will NEVER, repeat NEVER have the history and glory of the sweet science. In fact, it is likely a fad that will be gone as quickly as hula hoops and bell-bottoms.

Why? Because when you get past all the hype, two guys rolling around on the ground IS boring. :nod In fact, it's not just boring, it's EXTREMELY boring.:lol: That's why they gotta dress it up with all the WWF-style macho hype!!:yep


Well I don't know if you have been paying attention but that fad has got a major TV deal, exposure on espn and their PPV's are continuing to get more and more buys...The only advantage boxing has over MMA is the rich history...But MMA is going to be around for a loooooong time..And for you to just say that its nothing more than 2 guys rolling around after u get past the hype makes u sound no different than an uneducated casual boxing fan who will label anything garbage if it does not entertain u immediately !!But here is my question to u since MMA is so boring ,Do u feel every boxing fight ever made is full of excitment ??

[Boinko]

UFC will NEVER, repeat NEVER have the history and glory of the sweet science. In fact, it is likely a fad that will be gone as quickly as hula hoops and bell-bottoms.
MMA has been around, just not in the same form as it is today and certainly not with the same popularity. I highly doubt as well that it will ever surpass boxing, but I don't really care either way. And I don't think it's going anywhere. People like combat sports. I think it's great that they now have so many different ones to choose from, including boxing.

Why? Because when you get past all the hype, two guys rolling around on the ground IS boring. :nod In fact, it's not just boring, it's EXTREMELY boring.:lol: That's why they gotta dress it up with all the WWF-style macho hype!!:yep
Boring to you, yes. But many other people disagree, and see it as a very technical and physically demanding activity. Hence the surge in popularlity of MMA.

And you've made this claim before about the WWF-style macho hype, so perhaps you could provide some examples since I follow both sports, and WWF-style hype seems more prevalent in boxing.
The ring entrances are far more like WWF in boxing, the pushing matches at weigh ins also reek of WWF, and the pre-fight trash talk is definitely no worse than the pre-fight trash talk in UFC.

[Boinko]

If you really believe there is absolutley nothing that looks gay in the UFC then you are a huge fag in denial :good [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Then you must certainly agree that if one really believes there is absolutely nothing that looks gay in boxing then they are a huge fag in denial.

And if you don't agree, then I encourage you and a male friend to get all sweaty, take your shirts off, and hug each other over and over for an extended period of time.
Since that in no way looks gay, you should have no problem doing that.

[Blacc Jesus]

:lol: man, ya'll trippin in here.

[Imperial1]

Yup , Me and Artie Lang are the only people on earth that ever noticed that ! :patsch

Artie Lang ?? Your using one of Howard's Stern's sidekicks as a source of credibility ??

:rofl


Why didn't you use Beatle Juice or Elephant Boy ??

[box03]

It explains alot that the whole of your understanding of the ground game is "keeping their fighter on the ground", and obviously most MMA fans do not think it is boring, just shit for brains losers who don't understand anything than punching. I never called you a loser, it just seems to me you hate the fact that people think ufc is for fags that cant punch for shit. Everybody has an opinion, I mean what do you expect your on a boxing forum of course your going to get people disagreeing with you but that doesnt give you any right to call talk shit on a computer.

[Boinko]

I dont consider boxing or ufc gay, I just wish ufc would be more stand up so I could actually get into the fight. When two fighters are on the ground doing practically nothing its pretty hard to watch, just like excessive holding in boxing. The only difference between the too is usually a ref breaks the hold in boxing pretty quick, while in ufc I seen more than 2 minutes go by before they stand them back up.
Hey, an actual criticism of MMA groundfighting, as opposed to silly homophobic rants.

Y'know, I'm not going to totally disagree with you. An extended period of time on the ground when nothing happens can be boring to watch. However, most of the time things are happening when two guys are on the ground. They might be sizing up opportunities for a submission, trying to reserve the position if on the bottom, applying punches and elbows to the head and body, etc.

There is often a debate about how long a ref should take before he stands up two guys on the due to inactivity. I think they do a pretty good job in UFC.

[Marnoff]

You realise that in a recent interview, your hero, Zab Judah said he enjoys watching Ufc more than boxing.

Maybe that's why he keeps losing every time he's in a semi-big fight. His focus when he is actually inside the ring is just as fickle.

[juancho214]

the first two fight were ok,Matt Hamil got robbed,but the best mma fight i saw was Frank Shamrock vs Phil Barroni=boxing with 5 oz gloves

[box03]

UFC announcer Jeff Osborne made the following statement on the UG forum:

Thanks to The Ultimate Fighter , so many people hate Matt that I think he'll sell MUCH more PPVs.

I would venture to say the last show was between 45,000 and 65,000. But it's still showing on many cable systems so the number will go up about 10%.

I'm still partially convinced that the "new audience" of 20,000 or so viewers consists of gay males 18-34.

Sorry guys but, my wife's gay supervisor RAVES about TUF and how four of his buddies gather around the TV on Monday nights. Hate to think what they're doing with cans of Xyience cans." -Jeff Osbourne :lol: Thats fucking funny, I love how some of these guys claim that ufc is like a street. I seen good bit of street fights but I could honestly say I never seen anyone get put in a Submission in a street fight. I dont know it usually starts with punching and ends with someone getting dumped on there head, well at least if you ever did get in a fight with a ufc guy you wouldnt have to worry about there punches.:yep

[Boinko]

Whatever buddy . The UFC looks gay and just about everybody knows it . Boxing doesn't . There is no comparison no matter how hard you try to invent 1 !

OK, I'll say it again then:

I encourage you and a male friend to get all sweaty, take your shirts off, and hug each other over and over for an extended period of time.

Since boxing doesn't look at all gay, you should have no problem doing that.

And if you do have a problem doing that, feel free to explain why?

[brimey]

Somehow I have stumbled into the most retarded conversation in the long history of moronic dialouge....Not sure why the MMA fans are getting so riled up for... Its pretty obvious Mclovin is fucking with you...

[Imperial1]

Read the whole conversation dip shit before you try to squeeze something else out of that little brain of yours OK :good

Yoour saying I have a little brain ??Your the one that finds the gayness in everything !!!


And it was you who said "Yup , Me and Artie Lang are the only people on earth that ever noticed that !"

What more do I need to read from a pion like yourself ???:think :good

[Boinko]

Somehow I have stumbled into the most retarded conversation in the long history of moronic dialouge....Not sure why the MMA fans are getting so riled up for... Its pretty obvious Mclovin is fucking with you...

Yes, it is rather moronic. But, moronic claims, even if they're just done for the purposes of trolling, deserve to challenged.

These MMA haters started this shit by going about how the groundwork in MMA is "gay."
I'm just trying to get some insight into the demented little mind of Mclovin!

[Imperial1]

I can't post to you anymore , Your to stupid ! Sorry , All the best :good


Good answer you have put me in place !:good Good the less you discuss mma the better anyways !

[Boinko]

How is that the same ? I've boxing millions of rounds and there was never any extended sweaty man hugging so what are you talking about exactly ???

There is plenty of shirtless hugging in boxing. When I say extended, I mean that it happens a lot during a fight. Are you saying boxers never embrace each other in clinches. You have watched boxing, right? (I'm starting to wonder about your vision Mclovin. You don't see any hugging in boxing, and you see plenty of ass and ball grabbing in MMA!)

Now, you don't think that looks at all gay. And you obviously have an acute sense of what doesn't and doesn't look gay in the world of combative sports, hence your criticism of MMA.

So, I'm simply asking if you would engage in some sweaty, shirtless hugging with a male friend since it doesn't look gay at all.

[brimey]

Well I know 3 things.....

1.I prefer boxing to MMA but living in Davenport, IA with Militech basically the man in town I'm in a HUGE minority.
2. An MMA guy wins in a MMA fight, a boxer in a boxing match
3. Joe Rogan is a fag and I cannot get into any sport that he announces in....

But I work with a guy who just had his debut on UFC TV on Spike and he's a cool humble guy who (1) Isn't gay and (2) Doesn't seem to give a shit about what sport is better.

[Boinko]

Am I the only guy you ever heard make that comparision ? What planet are you living on exactly ?

Well, not the planet where I see MMA fighters grabbing each others balls and asses!

And yes, I have heard people make that comparision. Idiotic opinions are often popular ones.

And I've also heard people who don't like boxing tell me that the clinches look gay because you have two shirtless men hugging each other. Just because you have never heard that comparision, doesn't mean it hasn't been made.

[Boinko]

It's not the same at all so save your ridiculous straw men for someone who cares !

You've yet to explain why it's not the same.

And you've yet to explain if you'd be OK participating in the non-gay looking activity of sweaty, shirtless hugging with a male friend.

[Beebs]

the first two fight were ok,Matt Hamil got robbed,but the best mma fight i saw was Frank Shamrock vs Phil Barroni=boxing with 5 oz gloves

Really? You're now allowed to choke people unconscious in boxing?

Another brilliant post from the boxing forum.

[box03]

I will be honest the 2 big reasons I dislike ufc. 1. I cant stand the way these guys a punch, you would think all that so called practice they put someone would teach them how to throw a proper punch not only for more power and speed but also so they dont break there hand after hitting someone. 2. Im starting to see more and more of this mma/ufc fighting on tv, and Im little nervous that ufc will end up taking up some of boxings time slots.

[Imperial1]

I will be honest the 2 big reasons I dislike ufc. 1. I cant stand the way these guys a punch, you would think all that so called practice they put someone would teach them how to throw a proper punch not only for more power and speed but also so they dont break there hand after hitting someone. 2. Im starting to see more and more of this mma/ufc fighting on tv, and Im little nervous that ufc will end up taking up some of boxings time slots.

I think what you have to understand is in mma is that its hard to have proper boxing technique when u have to fend off take downs ..So its tough to sit on your punches or be tight with you hands when at any given momenet you have to be ready to sprawl..

[brimey]

I will be honest the 2 big reasons I dislike ufc. 1. I cant stand the way these guys a punch, you would think all that so called practice they put someone would teach them how to throw a proper punch not only for more power and speed but also so they dont break there hand after hitting someone. 2. Im starting to see more and more of this mma/ufc fighting on tv, and Im little nervous that ufc will end up taking up some of boxings time slots.


Me too friend... Not looking forward to hearing that HBO has officially signed UFC to a TV deal. But on the bright side it will force boxing to put on the best available fights and in some respect I feel that that is already starting to appear in the sport. If only we could get a FUCKING HEAVYWEIGHT UNIFICATION FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.:scaredas:

[Boinko]

Im starting to see more and more of this mma/ufc fighting on tv, and Im little nervous that ufc will end up taking up some of boxings time slots.

Well, there is nothing wrong with healthy competition. If indeed MMA starts to overtake boxing and bumping it from time slots on TV, the onus is on boxing to rise to the occasion and get their shit together.

Let's face it, there is a lot of problems with boxing. The biggest being all these stupid belts/multiple champions floating around. Boxing could learn a valuable lesson from the UFC which has one belt per division, and consistently matches the best vs the best.

With the excellent fights happening in boxing this fall, perhaps they are on the path to doing this. Let's hope that continues.

[brimey]

I think what you have to understand is in mma is that its hard to have proper boxing technique when u have to fend off take downs ..So its tough to sit on your punches or be tight with you hands when at any given momenet you have to be ready to sprawl..

Someone pointed that out to me and I must say after watching a few MMA fights afterwards I saw exactly what they were talking about...

[Imperial1]

Someone pointed that out to me and I must say after watching a few MMA fights afterwards I saw exactly what they were talking about...

Here is what I recommend ,for those who really haven't watched MMA watch fighters like Randy Coture MMA's equivalant to Bernard Hopkins ..One of the most technically sound fighters in the game today ..Its a thing of beauty watching him operate no diffrent than when Hopkins dismantles his opponents .

[box03]

I think what you have to understand is in mma is that its hard to have proper boxing technique when u have to fend off take downs ..So its tough to sit on your punches or be tight with you hands when at any given momenet you have to be ready to sprawl.. Sweat pea already explained to me about the punching aspect of the ufc, while I understand that you cant sit down on a punch for a few reasons. I know you have to protect yourself agains take downs and I know from my own experience with little or no padding your at risk of fucking up your wrist or hand.

[Boinko]

Sure you have . What makes you think everyone else is the idiot ? It's probably you ...

I said I felt their opinions were idiotic.

Type "boxing homoerotic" into google and tell me if you think some of the comparisions between the sport and homosexuality are idiotic or not.

[box03]

Me too friend... Not looking forward to hearing that HBO has officially signed UFC to a TV deal. But on the bright side it will force boxing to put on the best available fights and in some respect I feel that that is already starting to appear in the sport. If only we could get a FUCKING HEAVYWEIGHT UNIFICATION FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.:scaredas: I have already considered canceling my subscription to HBO if in fact that does happen and also writting them, as I did with SHOWTIME already. Unification is unlikely as long as Don Kings still alive.

[brimey]

Here is what I recommend ,for those who really haven't watched MMA watch fighters like Randy Coture MMA's equivalant to Bernard Hopkins ..One of the most technically sound fighters in the game today ..Its a thing of beauty watching him operate no diffrent than when Hopkins dismantles his opponents .

Well I have watched enough MMA to know that it isn't for me but I hope I'm in the majority of boxing fans who realizes that a warrior is a warrior, a fighter a fighter, and anyone with the balls, willpower,and courage to fight professionally should be respected.:good

[Imperial1]

Well I have watched enough MMA to know that it isn't for me but I hope I'm in the majority of boxing fans who realizes that a warrior is a warrior, a fighter a fighter, and anyone with the balls, willpower,and courage to fight professionally should be respected.:good


Respect man ..Thats all I was trying to get at ..There is room for both sports to exsist ..:good

[brimey]

I have already considered canceling my subscription to HBO if in fact that does happen and also writting them, as I did with SHOWTIME already. Unification is unlikely as long as Don Kings still alive.

Well i think thats a bit drastic, I mean come on. Am I the only one who has seen more mainstrean coverage of boxing lately now that the UFC is on the rise? I personally have noticed it. As long as they don't seem to be phasing out boxing I'm cool with it, and I think HBO has done a great job this year especially with what else is on tap.

[box03]

Well, there is nothing wrong with healthy competition. If indeed MMA starts to overtake boxing and bumping it from time slots on TV, the onus is on boxing to rise to the occasion and get their shit together.

Let's face it, there is a lot of problems with boxing. The biggest being all these stupid belts/multiple champions floating around. Boxing could learn a valuable lesson from the UFC which has one belt per division, and consistently matches the best vs the best.

With the excellent fights happening in boxing this fall, perhaps they are on the path to doing this. Let's hope that continues. I agree competition is good but if its taken away from the amount of boxings thats on television thats when I get pissed off, boxing needs to step up and make better fights.

[Boinko]

Well I have watched enough MMA to know that it isn't for me but I hope I'm in the majority of boxing fans who realizes that a warrior is a warrior, a fighter a fighter, and anyone with the balls, willpower,and courage to fight professionally should be respected.:good

Very well put. I'm not saying anyone is obligated to enjoy MMA. But, if they are going to criticize it, I would hope they could at least mount reasonable arguments that go past "It looks gay."
You seem to have done that, even if I don't totally agree with what you said.

[Imperial1]

And the good thing is that it forces boxing to step up their match making ..If MMA hadn't got so popular we might be getting ready for another Rahamn Ruiz match ..Or Mayweather vs Corley 2 ..

[Boinko]

I agree competition is good but if its taken away from the amount of boxings thats on television thats when I get pissed off, boxing needs to step up and make better fights.

And if they do, boxing will flourish even more than it has in the past. People will watch good fights, plain and simple.
What they don't want to see is an alphabet soup champ fighting his mandatory challenger, while three other champions aren't even recognized by his two bit organization because they hold the other belts.

I like MMA, but I don't want to see boxing lose some of it's fan base and TV slots either.
And it won't, if it puts the best possible matchups together.

[brimey]

And the good thing is that it forces boxing to step up their match making ..If MMA hadn't got so popular we might be getting ready for another Rahamn Ruiz match ..Or Mayweather vs Corley 2 ..


Apparently the words Ruiz vs_________ (insert name here) has become the ultimate boxing code for " incredibly shitty fight".:lol:

[box03]

And if they do, boxing will flourish even more than it has in the past. People will watch good fights, plain and simple.
What they don't want to see is an alphabet soup champ fighting his mandatory challenger, while three other champions aren't even recognized by his two bit organization because they hold the other belts.

I like MMA, but I don't want to see boxing lose some of it's fan base and TV slots either.
And it won't, if it puts the best possible matchups together. very true, but all these fights being canceled aint helping. And while we had the biggest grossing fight this year in boxing with the Mayweather/ Delahoya it didnt live up to even close to the hype, while I dont want to blame the fighters for there styles but some of the matches that our being made our either glorified sparring sessions or one sided matches. Boxing needs more knockouts or at least more guys going balls to the wall, thats why enjoyed Lamon Brewster so much other than his last fight he was the most exciting heavywieght in my opinion. His style was to go in there and knock you out similiar to Mike Tyson, thats what most people want to see.

[Boinko]

No thanks ! :lol:

I don't blame you. It's annoying to see the unenlightened make ridiculous claims regarding the homoeroticism of combative arts like MMA and boxing.

[brimey]

very true, but all these fights being canceled aint helping. And while we had the biggest grossing fight this year in boxing with the Mayweather/ Delahoya it didnt live up to even close to the hype, while I dont want to blame the fighters for there styles but some of the matches that our being made our either glorified sparring sessions or one sided matches. Boxing needs more knockouts or at least more guys going balls to the wall, thats why enjoyed Lamon Brewster so much other than his last fight he was the most exciting heavywieght in my opinion. His style was to go in there and knock you out similiar to Mike Tyson, thats what most people want to see.

All true, one of the problems with todays crop of ungodly huge heavyweights is that they tend to be slower and pick their punches more carefully to not become fatigued to early. In other words they tend to be a tad bit boring...

[Boinko]

very true, but all these fights being canceled aint helping. And while we had the biggest grossing fight this year in boxing with the Mayweather/ Delahoya it didnt live up to even close to the hype, while I dont want to blame the fighters for there styles but some of the matches that our being made our either glorified sparring sessions or one sided matches. Boxing needs more knockouts or at least more guys going balls to the wall, thats why enjoyed Lamon Brewster so much other than his last fight he was the most exciting heavywieght in my opinion. His style was to go in there and knock you out similiar to Mike Tyson, thats what most people want to see.

Well, boxing sometimes goes through phases where there isn't that one single guy (or number of guys) who truly engage the public. Let's face it, the key to boxing's success is to have the average fan embrace it.
Die hard fans like most of the people on this forum are always going to be there.
The average fan needs a Mike Tyson to get them truly interested. The DLH /Mayweather fight was a big draw, but PBF's style doesn't really appeal to the average fan. Most of them will say they'd watch an Arturo Gatti fight before a PBF fight.

There are obviously quite a few exceptional fighters in the sport today, but there isn't that one guy who everyone talks about and everyone wants to watch.

[box03]

All true, one of the problems with todays crop of ungodly huge heavyweights is that they tend to be slower and pick their punches more carefully to not become fatigued to early. In other words they tend to be a tad bit boring... I feel almost every other wieght class is doing very well for themselves, I even think cruiser is stepping there game up with fighters like Ding,Haye,bell, and mormek. Guys like Wlad, Peter, and Chagaev our fun too watch in the Heavywieght division but as a whole it sucks.

[Boinko]

I feel almost every other wieght class is doing very well for themselves, I even think cruiser is stepping there game up with fighters like Ding,Haye,bell, and mormek. Guys like Wlad, Peter, and Chagaev our fun too watch in the Heavywieght division but as a whole it sucks.

Well, there is some truth to the old saying "As the heavyweight division goes, so goes boxing."
It's not entirely true, since fighters like SRL, Hearns, Duran and Hagler commanded the world's attention when the heavyweight division was less than stellar.

But, when the division is so crappy like it is right now, it hurts the sport.

[box03]

Well, boxing sometimes goes through phases where there isn't that one single guy (or number of guys) who truly engage the public. Let's face it, the key to boxing's success is to have the average fan embrace it.
Die hard fans like most of the people on this forum are always going to be there.
The average fan needs a Mike Tyson to get them truly interested. The DLH /Mayweather fight was a big draw, but PBF's style doesn't really appeal to the average fan. Most of them will say they'd watch an Arturo Gatti fight before a PBF fight.

There are obviously quite a few exceptional fighters in the sport today, but there isn't that one guy who everyone talks about and everyone wants to watch. Tyson like Ali made Heavywieght boxing popular again to the average fan and to die hard fans as well, I love boxing like most of us on here but we need a dominant fighter like Tyson to get heavywieght boxing back on the map.

[Boinko]

Tyson like Ali made Heavywieght boxing popular again to the average fan and to die hard fans as well, I love boxing like most of us on here but we need a dominant fighter like Tyson to get heavywieght boxing back on the map.

Agreed. Wlad is the closest thing to that right now, but he's a far cry from being an Ali or a prime Tyson.

I don't see anyone on the horizon right now who can bring the division back to life. I guess we'll just wait and see.

[brimey]

I feel almost every other wieght class is doing very well for themselves, I even think cruiser is stepping there game up with fighters like Ding,Haye,bell, and mormek. Guys like Wlad, Peter, and Chagaev our fun too watch in the Heavywieght division but as a whole it sucks.

Well we've touched on the problem right there. The only GOOD heavyweights that anyone might have intrest in seeing fight by either avoidance or ABC politics can't seem to get a fight scheduled. Personally I hope to see Wlad unify and be built up as an unstoppable, huge, champion, and then when the next good/great heavy comes along have a heavyweight superfight. But I know that is just wishful thinking.

[nervousxtian]

The last two fights weren't great, but then again, I've watched a lot of bad boxing as well.

I prefer a good boxing match, but will watch MMA when it's on as well...

You can be a fan of both.

[box03]

Well we've touched on the problem right there. The only GOOD heavyweights that anyone might have intrest in seeing fight by either avoidance or ABC politics can't seem to get a fight scheduled. Personally I hope to see Wlad unify and be built up as an unstoppable, huge, champion, and then when the next good/great heavy comes along have a heavyweight superfight. But I know that is just wishful thinking. While that would be a great idea, I have 2 reasons he will never reach Tyson like status. 1. His weak chin has already been exposed on many different occasions, so that kind of takes away from being unstoppable in anyones mind. 2. Hes not animal in the ring like Tyson was or as intimidating, Wlad dont have what Tyson had.

[Boinko]

The last two fights weren't great, but then again, I've watched a lot of bad boxing as well.

I prefer a good boxing match, but will watch MMA when it's on as well...

You can be a fan of both.

Yep. I actually feel kind of bad for MMA haters. By being a UFC and boxing fan, look how many more nights of entertainment we have to look forward to. Between now and the new year, There's great cards in both boxing and UFC.

[robert ungurean]

I got so bored I changed the channel.

[cross_trainer]

As to whether MMA or boxing looks "gay"...yes, both do. It's a matter of degree--boxing "hugging" looks less gay than MMA, but gayer than tennis or golf. But it shouldn't matter, because the athletes are NOT gay. In fact, they're beating the crap out of each other, which is about as un-gay as you can get.

This argument is stupid...Unless you're extremely sensitive, insecure, or vehemently afraid of anything that looks remotely gay. If that's the case, I recommend watching competitive darts or chess instead.

[Amsterdam]

As to whether MMA or boxing looks "gay"...yes, both do. It's a matter of degree--boxing "hugging" looks less gay than MMA, but gayer than tennis or golf. But it shouldn't matter, because the athletes are NOT gay. In fact, they're beating the crap out of each other, which is about as un-gay as you can get.

This argument is stupid...Unless you're extremely sensitive, insecure, or vehemently afraid of anything that looks remotely gay. If that's the case, I recommend watching competitive darts or chess instead.

They think a lot of work done inside the guard looks especially gay, then various mounts, even if submissions are being set up or some vicious ground and pound, in which I think both of those factors are their best are beautiful.

But I also like good ground fighting.

[Boinko]

As to whether MMA or boxing looks "gay"...yes, both do. It's a matter of degree--boxing "hugging" looks less gay than MMA, but gayer than tennis or golf. But it shouldn't matter, because the athletes are NOT gay. In fact, they're beating the crap out of each other, which is about as un-gay as you can get.

This argument is stupid...Unless you're extremely sensitive, insecure, or vehemently afraid of anything that looks remotely gay. If that's the case, I recommend watching competitive darts or chess instead.

Where were you 10 pages again! The succinct nature of your post sums up exactly what myself and others have been saying since the start of this thread.
Nicely put!

[Boinko]

WTF ? I'm not an MMA hater I just don't like it . What is there something wrong with that now ? Jesus man I don't have to like it because you do . I personally am not entertained by guys dry humping each other in there undies but if that's your thing then great . I'd get more entertainment by sticking needles in my eye !

As I said earlier in this thread to someone else, you are under absolutely no obligation to enjoy MMA.
Or Nascar, or golf, or tennis or any other sport for that matter.
And if you choose to stick needles in your eye, well that's your perogative too. I don't recommend it though. Word on the street is that it's quite painful.

As for your incessant homoerotic ramblings, you might be better off avoiding sports all together that feature close male contact.
Football and baseball are dangerous due to the incessant butt patting - and hell, look at all the hugging they do when they win the World Series. E[Only registered and activated users can see links]!!!

Best of luck!

[Boinko]

What have you been saying exactly ? Your making some lame comparison about boxing being gay too . It's bullshit . I'd say 80 out of 100 people think the UFC is gay compared to about 1 out of 500,000 that might say the same about boxing . How is that the same ?

So, boxing is less gay than UFC? And are other sports less gay than boxing? Do you have a list of sports from most gay to least gay. Feel free to post it.

[samita]

Yeah I absolutely agree, that was some boring ass shit. They can easily do commercial breaks between those hugs and takedowns since nothing really happens for a good 2-3 minutes.

[Boinko]

Guys be honest here!!!

You claim to be an MMA fan but be honest...

I love MMA and trust me but I'm very objective when I say that The fertitas
and Dana white would not like more shows like UFC 75.

Be honest!!!..This is why sometimes this forum makes me sick... I like MMA but that show blows, they cant have these kind of shows... Geez

People are so fuckin delusional...yeah I like Jet Li, his new movie WAR is great...definitely oscar bound...

Oh MMA, its my cup of tea, whether they have to be broken up by Big John 200 times, it still exciting to me...Fuck off!!!

Boxing has lots of boring cards. The biggest boxing event in recent memory, DLH vs Mayweather was considered by many to be incredibly dull.

Sure, last nights UFC wasn't the greatest ever, but it wasn't horrible.

If UFC's were uniformly bad, then they wouldn't be as successful as they are. Once in awhile, there's going to be dud.

[samita]

i dont know about you man, but odlh/mayweather was not as boring as yesterday's card

[kirk]

Why does everyone keep saying Oscar vs Mayweather was BORING... sure it didnt live up to the hype, and it wasnt an EXCITING fight, but it wasnt boring. I hate this saying, but i think people that thought that fight was plain boring doesnt really like boxing a whole lot.

Taylor vs Spinks is Boring.... Mayweather vs Hoya is just not exciting... but not boring.

[Boinko]

Why does everyone keep saying Oscar vs Mayweather was BORING... sure it didnt live up to the hype, and it wasnt an EXCITING fight, but it wasnt boring. I hate this saying, but i think people that thought that fight was plain boring doesnt really like boxing a whole lot.

Taylor vs Spinks is Boring.... Mayweather vs Hoya is just not exciting... but not boring.

I agree that it wasn't boring. I'm just saying that a lot of average boxing fans felt it was boring. I watched it with a group of guys who don't watch boxing reguarly and they all said it was boring and regretted watching it.
I told them to fuck off!!

Similarly, I definitely wouldn't call last nights UFC card boring. It was great, but I still enjoyed it.

[Calroid]

I just loss 3 hrs. of my life that I will never get back watching shit!
Throwing a punch at a time at air and then grabbing and hugging and rolling on the ground, shit for nothing scoring, I seen more action at a Jr. high fight!
Ulitmate fighting my ass!
I seen some bad boxing but damn! :twisted:
I sticking to boxing.:bbb I can't understand how that shit even makes it to tv much less ppv ever
If that was and I paid I would of broken my tv and had my sister beat my ass.
I am F:censored K'N PISSED! F:censored k this, I have are ready wasted too much time on this PUNK-ASS GIRLY-MAN CRAP I-'M GETTING LIT:spliff

It took you 3 hours to figure out that you didn't enjoy it? Good job Sparky!

[barneyrub]

Yep. I actually feel kind of bad for MMA haters. By being a UFC and boxing fan, look how many more nights of entertainment we have to look forward to. Between now and the new year, There's great cards in both boxing and UFC.Yeah, a main event of chuck liddell who just got KO`d against a nobody Keith Jardine who just got ko`d, wow great matchup lol.

Not to mention how blatantly the UFC rigged the fight on saturday so that the Englishman Bisping got the decision in England so as to help promote the gravy train for more English events even though he lost all 3 rounds against Hammill.

[knockout]

The only good thing about it is when there gettin ground pounded,but above esle its pretty much crap.

[dangerousity]

Stop going off topic . There are no rules . I said real men punch you in the face . They don't start throwing you on the ground looking for arm bars . I said if your going to do that then why don't I just hit you with hammer . It's not ultimate fighting in the real world . You throw some punches and it's over . If you really want to hurt someone like that why not do it right and hit him over the head with a brick or have 4 friends kick the guys head in ? Whats the diffrence between the 2 ? Where's the line ?

Whats the difference between the 2?

Well 1 is unarmed combat between 2 men. The others you described either involved using a weapon or getting some help from mates. Both very different.

[elTerrible]

That one decision was horrible.

The fight with the deaf guy and the smaller dude. Mike or john whatever their names were I cant remember.

The deaf guy in the blue shouldve had that decision. The MMA judges are as shitty as the boxing judges.

[elTerrible]

Yeah, a main event of chuck liddell who just got KO`d against a nobody Keith Jardine who just got ko`d, wow great matchup lol.

Not to mention how blatantly the UFC rigged the fight on saturday so that the Englishman Bisping got the decision in England so as to help promote the gravy train for more English events even though he lost all 3 rounds against Hammill.

Yeah that was the fight. Pure bullshit.

[charlievint]

I just loss 3 hrs. of my life that I will never get back watching shit!
Throwing a punch at a time at air and then grabbing and hugging and rolling on the ground, shit for nothing scoring, I seen more action at a Jr. high fight!
Ulitmate fighting my ass!
I seen some bad boxing but damn! :twisted:
I sticking to boxing.:bbb I can't understand how that shit even makes it to tv much less ppv ever
If that was and I paid I would of broken my tv and had my sister beat my ass.
I am F:censored K'N PISSED! F:censored k this, I have are ready wasted too much time on this PUNK-ASS GIRLY-MAN CRAP I-'M GETTING LIT:spliff

If you don't like the UFC or MMA thats all well and good. But you've gotta be a complete fuck nut to sit there a watch it for 3 hours if you have this much bad shit to say about it. That shows you are either a complete retard or you don't want to admit you like MMA.

It was a good card. Decent scraps..good showcase of Mix Martial Arts and of course Knock outs. I'm more in to boxing as well, but I dig MMA when the fights are worth watching.

[Boinko]

Yeah, a main event of chuck liddell who just got KO`d against a nobody Keith Jardine who just got ko`d, wow great matchup lol.

Not to mention how blatantly the UFC rigged the fight on saturday so that the Englishman Bisping got the decision in England so as to help promote the gravy train for more English events even though he lost all 3 rounds against Hammill.

So you think Liddell/Jardine is bad matchup? Why? Chuck was champ in UFC for a long time. Jardine almost certainly isn't as good, but he's an exciting figher and could pose trouble to Liddell.
Please clarify what makes this such a bad matchup.

And if you think Quinton Jackson is a nobody, then you need to do a little homework. Jackson is a very talented guy, who was a star in Pride for years.

And the Bispig fight was very troubling. I felt it was an obvious victory for Hammill. Let's hope this isn't a trend, or soon UFC will start to suffer credibility problems the same way boxing has due to all the questionable decisions over the years.

[InHumanForm]

i like MMA and i like Rampage and I tuned in to see what was supposed to be an exciting unification match up and instead i got a piss poor, lackluster show.

they need Fedor vs. Randy now since that's the only MMA fight out there that actually has my attention and I'm sure would go over big.

But overall, UFC 75 was pretty lame

[Loufatski]

I just loss 3 hrs. of my life that I will never get back watching shit!
Throwing a punch at a time at air and then grabbing and hugging and rolling on the ground, shit for nothing scoring, I seen more action at a Jr. high fight!
Ulitmate fighting my ass!
I seen some bad boxing but damn! :twisted:
I sticking to boxing.:bbb I can't understand how that shit even makes it to tv much less ppv ever
If that was and I paid I would of broken my tv and had my sister beat my ass.
I am F:censored K'N PISSED! F:censored k this, I have are ready wasted too much time on this PUNK-ASS GIRLY-MAN CRAP I-'M GETTING LIT:spliff
I wonder what the average IQ is for the average UFC fan?

[charlievint]

Boxing = checkers. MMA = chess. Your intellectual capacity determines which you prefer.

Comparing a board game to combat sports is pretty lame and makes your point even more retarded. If you prefer one sport over the other has nothing to do with "intellectual capacity"....it has everything to do with preference. There are pros and cons to both sports and a fan of fighting should be open minded enough to appreciate both.

[BITCH ASS]

Boxing = checkers. MMA = chess. Your intellectual capacity determines which you prefer.

You have it backwards.

[InHumanForm]

So was Henderson/Rampage(granted it wasn't as bad a robbery as Hammil/Bisping). The judges know nothing about MMA. Rampage did not once land a single freaking punch and never even tried to pass guard when in a position to do so. He completely turtled the entire fight knowing he'd be gifted a decision if it got to that point. Henderson 48, Rampage 47; Hammil 29, Bisping 27.

oh please, he landed more than a few punches. And if he didn't do anything to deserve the match, what did Henderson do to deserve it? Granted he was in control for maybe a round or two at most, but anyone watching that fight with two working eyes knows Rampage won.

[charlievint]

So was Henderson/Rampage(granted it wasn't as bad a robbery as Hammil/Bisping). The judges know nothing about MMA. Rampage did not once land a single freaking punch and never even tried to pass guard when in a position to do so. He completely turtled the entire fight knowing he'd be gifted a decision if it got to that point. Henderson 48, Rampage 47; Hammil 29, Bisping 27.

LOL...What are you talking about. the Hammil v Bisbing decision was bogus but they got the decision right with Rampage and Henderson. Henderson just didn't do enough to win and Rampage controlled the marjority of the action. IT was competitive but Rampage did more than enough to win the decision. I had it 3 rounds to 2 for Quinton. The only round that Henderson CLEARY won was 1, other than that all the rounds were close but edged by Quinton aside from 3rd round.

[BITCH ASS]

Not at all. It's a very accurate analogy. If you are too retarded to comprehend it, it's not my problem. You only need to know how to do a couple things in boxing to perform well. In MMA, you have to know how to do 10 to 20 times as much.

I understand what you're getting at, but your analogy doesn't make as much sense as you think it does.

In boxing, you are LIMITED to your hands, regardless of what physical advantages your opponent may have over you.

No matter if your opponent is taller, stronger, faster or all of the above, you have to use your hands to beat him.

MMA on the other hand allows smaller opponents to use wrestling skills against taller big men that would generally have somewhat of an advantage in boxing.

[InHumanForm]

Rampage never landed a fucking punch. Not fucking once, and he never passed guard. He was garbage and did nothing but turtle and hump henderson playing paddycake with his tummy. Rampage lost because he never did anything whatsoever, while Henderson at least landed several clean shots and passed guard several times.

you automatically disqualify yourself from any further judgement on anything if you honestly think Rampage did not land one punch. That is stupid beyond stupid.

[charlievint]

Rampage never landed a fucking punch. Not fucking once, and he never passed guard. He was garbage and did nothing but turtle and hump henderson playing paddycake with his tummy. Rampage lost because he never did anything whatsoever, while Henderson at least landed several clean shots and passed guard several times.

Rampage landed a few punches while he was on top! He landed one or two standing. Grant it....it wasn't a lot nor was it anything CLEAN but Henderson did LESS. He looked good with his strikes but he didn't land much on Rampage.

It was a competitive bout....it was more tatical than anything else but Rampage had the better game plan and implemented his game plan more effectively. he was able to keep control of the bout by keeping Dan on his back which was VERY impressive.

And if Dan did landed CLEAN punches on Rampage we wouldn't be having this discussion! Dan would be the UFC and Pride champ by way of KO. Dan didn't land anything clean and neither did Rampage. What we do know is that Rampage CONTROLLED the fight and kept Dan on his back which isn't an easy thing to do.

Dan is more than capable of KOing Quinton with his power and the same goes with Quinton.....the fact of the matter is neither of them were able to land that night ending punch...Quinton won on being the more "Effective aggressor".

[charlievint]

Not at all. It's a very accurate analogy. If you are too retarded to comprehend it, it's not my problem. You only need to know how to do a couple things in boxing to perform well. In MMA, you have to know how to do 10 to 20 times as much.

It's not that I don't see your angle...its just corny. It's not true that you only need a couple of things in Boxing to preform well. By you saying that just lets me know you havn't got a true understanding of boxing.

While you do have to know more technique in MMA to be successful you aren't a true specialist or practictioner in every area. You spread your knowledge across a full spectrum of different forms of Martial arts.

Whereas in Boxing you specialize in strikes by way of hands, you learn the defense and offense of how to combat and protect against punches, you use angles to find or make openings.

Both MMA and Boxing have great contributions to fighting sports, you have to know EACH as their own....comparing the two as if they are the same isn't thinking logically....but what you prefer is just that...what you prefer. I like both, but prefer Boxing. You like MMA but you DON'T KNOW boxing so you bad mouth it.

[charlievint]

I don't understand why you think "it doesn't make as much sense as you think", because you have not stated anything to contradict the analogy. I can beat novice chess players with just two chess peices, but I'd never be able to defeat a novice in checkers if they had all 10-12 pieces and I only 2 since I can only move forward and he'd have to be retarded to not take my two pieces -- that's because you are so limited to what you can do, like boxing versus MMA.

I'd agree that size/reach is more important in boxing, but that doesn't at all devalue the analogy I gave.

Chess and Checkers like Boxing and MMA are two different sports....they are both similar in that they are combative and one on one but rules, players and strategy are completely different.

There are limitations on boxing but that doesn't mean it's less effective.....More is sometimes less in many cases and sometimes More is better.

Either way if you take one professional out of his element and into someone elses they wont do well. If a MMA fighter tries his hand at boxing...more than likely he/she will not do well....same goes with Boxers trying their hand at MMA...for the most part they won't do well unless they train in MMA.

[Guru_Too_You]

Yeah pretty much because you wanna know how I know your gay ?Is if you count the number of times a man's ass is grabbed in a competitve sport !!

What I get defensive about is the lack of respect shown for these warriors by clowns who like to turn a sport that involves as much skill as boxing into a gay fanatsy !

So what does it mean when a girl, as many have in my presence, straight up calls the sport homo-erotic?

"Who the hell would watch two men roll around on the ground together? What's that called? The missionary?"

-A former miss teen new york during a UFC bout just last friday.

[josak]

I just loss 3 hrs. of my life that I will never get back watching shit!
Throwing a punch at a time at air and then grabbing and hugging and rolling on the ground, shit for nothing scoring, I seen more action at a Jr. high fight!
Ulitmate fighting my ass!
I seen some bad boxing but damn! :twisted:
I sticking to boxing.:bbb I can't understand how that shit even makes it to tv much less ppv ever
If that was and I paid I would of broken my tv and had my sister beat my ass.
I am F:censored K'N PISSED! F:censored k this, I have are ready wasted too much time on this PUNK-ASS GIRLY-MAN CRAP I-'M GETTING LIT:spliff
As much as I'd like to agree with you, I've actually seen some pretty good fights. Try watching Cung Lee -- no rolling around, hugging from him , it's all brilliantly placed punches and kicks. He's like a scientist in there.

[safe_pa]

Im confused, so MMA is gay because they grapple? I always thought being gay meant putting your dick in another mans ass :huh
Also isn't wreslting taught in US schools? they often touch other men as a part of the sport, sometimes they even get on the back of the other guy, are they gay?
My opinion is this, you don't like MMA don't watch MMA, I hate a film called Bongwater, I only had to watch it once to know I hated it, I dont watch it every month just to remind me I hate it then make threads about hating it.
If you like boxing watch boxing, If you like MMA watch MMA if you hate either sport fuck off and stop wasting your life posting about it.

[standing 8]

LOL...What are you talking about. the Hammil v Bisbing decision was bogus but they got the decision right with Rampage and Henderson. Henderson just didn't do enough to win and Rampage controlled the marjority of the action. IT was competitive but Rampage did more than enough to win the decision. I had it 3 rounds to 2 for Quinton. The only round that Henderson CLEARY won was 1, other than that all the rounds were close but edged by Quinton aside from 3rd round.

That's pretty much how I scored the Rampage / Henderson match, 3 rounds to 2 Rampage. I can't understand why so many people are upset with this decision. So it went the full 5 rounds, every fight can't end in a knockout.

[Guru_Too_You]

What's her take on football?

She happens to be a fan.

I don't really know how many times in my football (american of course) viewing history that I've seen two men in the missionary position for more than 5 seconds.

[cross_trainer]

Boxing = checkers. MMA = chess. Your intellectual capacity determines which you prefer.

"Chess is like staring across an endless ocean...Checkers is like looking into a bottomless well".

Checkers is actually more complicated than Chess. Opening variations go on for dozens of moves.

[Guru_Too_You]

So two guys fondling each other on the ground is homo-erotic, yet 20 men all fondling each other on the ground over a phallic symbol isn't? Or maybe she is a fan of the homo erotic and MMA just isn't homoerotic enough for her, that crazy bitch in your imagination.

I don't have to imagine girls my foreign friend.

American football players are on the ground together for maybe ten seconds at a time, not up to 5 minutes.

[Guru_Too_You]

Uhh, no. Short yardage pile ups often take 25-30 seconds to clear. Should we get into the fact they are constantly slapping each other on the ass? You and your imagination have been completely destroyed. It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Thats cute. Seriously.

I'm so embarassed I may never post again.

[cross_trainer]

:patsch

How much do you know about checkers?

[cross_trainer]

Obviously more than you do.
Obviously less, I'd say.

If you think checkers theory is simple you have no idea what you're talking about.

[dangerousity]

Obviously less, I'd say.

Sorry. I can understand how checkers can be pretty deep when played seriously however it cannot touch chess. This is comparing pool to snooker. One is the Daddy.

[cross_trainer]

Sorry. I can understand how checkers can be pretty deep when played seriously however it cannot touch chess. This is comparing pool to snooker. One is the Daddy.
They require different skills. Chess champions generally look for patterns no more than eight or nine moves deep, but they're often complicated combinations. Checkers is open to much deeper number-crunching--Dr. Tinsley could go on for close to sixty in some positions.

Having played both, I consider chess easier. The combinations seem to flow much more naturally.

[charlievint]

Henderson
Rampage
Henderson
Rampage
Henderson

You have to actually watch the replays very closely, because in them you will see that Rampage did nothing to henderson until the last momenets of the last round.

I see you are a fan of Dan....as am I...I WANTED Dan to win...but being true to the sport of MMA I honestly can't see ANYONE giving Dan the nod in this fight. Both men did a good job but Rampage did More. Dan did NILL the last round besides starting aggressively...but he ended up in a "LOOSING" position at the end and that's enough to give Page the round.

[charlievint]

"Chess is like staring across an endless ocean...Checkers is like looking into a bottomless well".

Checkers is actually more complicated than Chess. Opening variations go on for dozens of moves.

Very well said...Checkers and chess have many dimensions but with Chess it's a lot easier to see and grasp the dimensions b/c they use more pieces, have different paths each piece can make ect... not as easy with Checkers to see the dimensions.

[cross_trainer]

Very well said...Checkers and chess have many dimensions but with Chess it's a lot easier to see and grasp the dimensions b/c they use more pieces, have different paths each piece can make ect... not as easy with Checkers to see the dimensions.

Thanks. :good

[iceman]

This was the 1st time i really paid attention to a MMA fight and i found it to be boring.It's fine when the fighters are on their feet but there is not enough action when they go to ground.
My wife thought i was watching gay porn

[Zakman]

This was the 1st time i really paid attention to a MMA fight and i found it to be boring.It's fine when the fighters are on their feet but there is not enough action when they go to ground.
That was exactly my reaction the first time I saw it. It is passibly interesting for as long as they stay standing and ENGAGE in actual fighting, but when they start rolling around on the ground it is utterly BORING! :nod

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[cross_trainer]

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:lol::happy

[cross_trainer]

:lol::happy

:D

[Zakman]

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So, the worst and most boring fighters you can find are equivilant to a typical UFC match.

And you're wondering WHY so many of us find this stuff boring???:huh

[cross_trainer]

So, the worst and most boring fighters you can find are equivilant to a typical UFC match.

And you're wondering WHY so many of us find this stuff boring???:huh

You're reading too much into my joke. :good

[PJD3]

Hey.. I tried to give it a chance... I was thinking ok that fight sucked :fightthe next one will be good.
And then I was like man you got to be FUKN JOKING :twisted: out of all those fights not one (HONESTLY) made me respect the mma.
I really thought I was going to see something....I don't know, I GUESS I AM A DUMD ASS FOR BELIEVING THE BULLSH*T HYPE ABOUT THE MOST DANGEROUS FIGHTERS, THE GREASTEST MATCHES EVER!
I should of known better especially coming from the president and owner dana white!
Yah I am a jack-ass BUT I at least recorded the fight on Showtime from friday. It was small fight no real signifiance but, I can honestly say that one fight had some real mano e' mano action :!: more than that whole damn ufc fight card.:gayfight

[tays001]

Yeah It Was Ok But I Got To Stick With Boxing I Only Watched It Becuz Oof Rampage

[PJD3]

Why in the hell am I newbie?:think
I 've been here for 3 years almost... well with this name.
Altogether 5-6 years. I just don't post as much as I use to.

[PJD3]

When do I get a kool name?
Do I have to post crappy nuthugg'n or hate'n stupid boxing threads?:|

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lol, yea even i was like... just doing what... exactly?