MMA fighters and body punches

[Vanboxingfan]

I've been watch the UFC now for about 2 years, probably seen hundreds of fights over that period of time because they show a lot of fights on Spike TV.

Once thing I've noticed I don't recall one fighter going down from a body punch. A knee yes, but not a body punch. Is this just my imagination or don't they know how to throw good body punches. Considering how often they clinch it seems like a very under utilized weapon, not in the sense that they don't throw body punches they do, but they don't seem to know how to throw paralizing shots to the liver, solar plexes, or things of that nature. Seems strange to me, given those 4 oz gloves.

[196osh]

It is dangerous to throw body punches as it leaves your hands down, particularly when your in close you can do more damage with knee's in close too.

[MattMattMatt]

Hong Man Choi quit from taking too much damage to the body against Badr Hari.

[jimmie]

Its used occasionally Melvin Guillard KOed Gabe Rudiger with it on a UFC show a few years ago also Sergei Khratinov uses them well. I think alot of it has to do with them not wanting to expose themselfs more to the Muay Thai Plum or even a sharp elbow which will likely cut you. Plus MMA guys mostly only really practice the basics of boxing alot of basic jabs,crosses and hooks

[achillesthegreat]

You have to be incredibly smart as to when you use it. Watch Liddell v Rampage II for when not to throw body shots.

[SouthpawSlayer]

mma is not boxing, why punch to the body when you can use your knee and keep both your arms and fists free

[Wilhelm]

Also, Scott Smith went down from a great body shot against Pete Sell before knocking him out.

It depends on the fight, but sometimes body shots get used over and over. Watch the recent Kevin Burns vs. Chris Lytle fight. Lytle really breaks him down with right hooks to the body. It seems like they're used pretty much only when a guy is moving back so that they can't easily catch you with the stuff discussed above and so in mma it turns out to be a shot at range. The times when they're used the most in boxing is on the inside, whereas in mma you're clinching and looking for takedowns and dirty boxing and throwing knees and all sorts of other stuff that keeps you from doing the kind of inside work that you see in boxing.

[Beebs]

YouTube top 10 body shots in mma, it's part of a series with armbars and leglocks, there are tons of body punches that have ended or let to the ending of fights.

Watch a Bas Rutten highlight, he was ending fights with body shots in Pancrase before the UFC existed.

You are either just seeing what you want to see because of bias or haven't seen much MMA.

[Grievesy]

YouTube top 10 body shots in mma, it's part of a series with armbars and leglocks, there are tons of body punches that have ended or let to the ending of fights.

Watch a Bas Rutten highlight, he was ending fights with body shots in Pancrase before the UFC existed.

You are either just seeing what you want to see because of bias or haven't seen much MMA.

Yeah, Bas loves himself a liver punch!:lol:

[rekcutnevets]

Body punching is going to be less of an occurrence in mma than in boxing. In boxing, you only have two limbs able to attack the body. In mma, there are four. In boxing, only two limbs are capable of countering body shots. In mma, there are four.

[Shanger]

melvin guillard knocked a guy down from a bodyshot, right hand. and the guy could not continue.

[ufoalf]

I agree, body shots are overlooked in MMA. Pretty much everyones post, IMO, was correct above me just different perspectives.
I think body shot do leave you exposed in MMA MUCH more than boxing, at the same time they are not used enough else. I think liver shots with MMA gloves is deadly and should be looked for as much as a good right hook to the chin. Especially when the opponents back is to the cage or the circling out to that side.
Body punches made a lot of highlights but I think there could be a lot more if top fighters looked for them more.

[Beebs]

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[safe_pa]

I remember at an ultimate fighter finale Pete Sell hit Scott Smith with a great body shot, Smith doubled over and as Sell charged in for the kill Smith landed a nice right hand and KO'd Pete. I really enjoyed that fight.

[slugger408]

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[scurlaruntings]

You have to be incredibly smart as to when you use it. Watch Liddell v Rampage II for when not to throw body shots.Spot on but Liddell threw one of the worst body punches iv ever seen. The result was an over hand right counter that put him to sleep.

[Ishrol666]

YouTube top 10 body shots in mma, it's part of a series with armbars and leglocks, there are tons of body punches that have ended or let to the ending of fights.

Watch a Bas Rutten highlight, he was ending fights with body shots in Pancrase before the UFC existed.

You are either just seeing what you want to see because of bias or haven't seen much MMA.


Your obviously one of the board tits, resorting to a comment like that

The poster said he has been watching UFC for a couple of years, not every other MMA event available, and its true in the UFC there are very few who utilise effective body shots.

[scurlaruntings]

Your obviously one of the board tits, resorting to a comment like that

The poster said he has been watching UFC for a couple of years, not every other MMA event available, and its true in the UFC there are very few who utilise effective body shots.The UFC is a BRAND of MMA. Bodyshots have been part of the arsenal of TONS of fighters in MMA. Now the thread title says "MMA fighters and body punches". Dont see any references there to the UFC..

[Ishrol666]

Read the posters opening sentance, k thanks

Yes we all know UFC is a brand of MMA, which is why I said not every other MMA event available.

And i`m quite sure body shots are utilised in lots of other MMA fights, the poster said he has been watching UFC for a couple of years, no mention of other brands or events.

[scurlaruntings]

Read the posters opening sentance, k thanksAnd you read the thread title. This isnt an argument about semantics its an debate about facts. Beebs post is spot on because body punches have been used in the UFC as well as a multitude of other orgs. But that wasnt the point. The point was there use in MMA NOT just the UFC.

[Ishrol666]

You are either just seeing what you want to see because of bias or haven't seen much MMA.

This is the part of beebs post is what makes him sound like a tit, if he bothered to read the posters opening sentence, he would see its obvious his opinion was based on watching the UFC and not the multitude of other events available, so there was no need to make the comment. It was just uneccessarily rude.

[ufoalf]

You are either just seeing what you want to see because of bias or haven't seen much MMA.

This is the part of beebs post is what makes him sound like a tit, if he bothered to read the posters opening sentence, he would see its obvious his opinion was based on watching the UFC and not the multitude of other events available, so there was no need to make the comment. It was just uneccessarily rude.

The original poster was rude in reference to MMA's lack of knowledge of body punches. He was on the "offensive" about the sport so beebs defended it. It would've been "tit" of beebs if the original poster said something like "I haven't seen many body punches, why aren't they utilized more? It seems to me it is very under utilized weapon." Instead he sounded arrogant.

Wanna keep arguing semantics?

[achillesthegreat]

Spot on but Liddell threw one of the worst body punches iv ever seen. The result was an over hand right counter that put him to sleep.

I agree that it was an extremely poor left hook to the body. The technique was pretty bad.

[Strike]

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Yeah but he said "body punches". Seven of that top ten body shots were not punches. Five were kicks, one was a knee and one was a fucking body slam.
So the top ten body shots had a total of 3 punches, rather proving his initial point that body punches are not used much in MMA.

[scurlaruntings]

I agree that it was an extremely poor left hook to the body. The technique was pretty bad.It was utterly awful. He had to be at least a 2 feet away from Rampage. As a striker despite having heavy hands Liddell had awful technique.

[Ishrol666]

The original poster was rude in reference to MMA's lack of knowledge of body punches. He was on the "offensive" about the sport so beebs defended it. It would've been "tit" of beebs if the original poster said something like "I haven't seen many body punches, why aren't they utilized more? It seems to me it is very under utilized weapon." Instead he sounded arrogant.

Wanna keep arguing semantics?

Yeah i could do, but whats the point arguing with armchiar fighters.

I wouldnt have said the poster was being arrogant or offensive, it wasnt like hes just started watching and decided to critisize, he was making a valid point, ive watched quite a bit of MMA and I dont see much effective body striking by punches, and I put it down to MMA fighters on the whole have basic striking ability, they have just enough to get them by. Anderson Silva is considered one of the best but his striking looks better than it is because his opponents dont know how to move or defend well.

Chuck Liddel, often described as one of the most devastating strikers in MMA, lol, says it all. He has heavy hands, but thats all.

Saying that i know its hard for an MMA fighter to excell in all aspects as it takes so long to develop the well rounded skills needed, you dont have enough time to devote to perfecting everything.

[Vanboxingfan]

The original poster was rude in reference to MMA's lack of knowledge of body punches. He was on the "offensive" about the sport so beebs defended it. It would've been "tit" of beebs if the original poster said something like "I haven't seen many body punches, why aren't they utilized more? It seems to me it is very under utilized weapon." Instead he sounded arrogant.

Wanna keep arguing semantics?

I want's rude at all, I was making an observation. I have watched 100's of UFC fights and I just don't recall may, if any, ending with a brutal body punch. I understand it's not boxing but it just seems to me when you're in close there's opportunities to throw these type of punches. As for other MMA sports, truthfully I've probably never watched a non UFC MMA fight. Where I live the only MMA fights on TV are UFC fights.

I certainly wasn't knocking the sport, as I enjoy boxing and MMA equally.

[Vanboxingfan]

I agree, body shots are overlooked in MMA. Pretty much everyones post, IMO, was correct above me just different perspectives.
I think body shot do leave you exposed in MMA MUCH more than boxing, at the same time they are not used enough else. I think liver shots with MMA gloves is deadly and should be looked for as much as a good right hook to the chin. Especially when the opponents back is to the cage or the circling out to that side.
Body punches made a lot of highlights but I think there could be a lot more if top fighters looked for them more.

That's pretty much my point. I know it's a different sport and there are four limbs (good god talk about basics) being utilitized rather than two, but that still doesn't mean there's never an opportunity to throw a good body shot. I just personally think it's an under utilized weapon.

[ufoalf]

I want's rude at all, I was making an observation. I have watched 100's of UFC fights and I just don't recall may, if any, ending with a brutal body punch. I understand it's not boxing but it just seems to me when you're in close there's opportunities to throw these type of punches. As for other MMA sports, truthfully I've probably never watched a non UFC MMA fight. Where I live the only MMA fights on TV are UFC fights.

I certainly wasn't knocking the sport, as I enjoy boxing and MMA equally.

No. Here's what you said "Is this just my imagination or don't they know how to throw good body punches. Considering how often they clinch it seems like a very under utilized weapon, not in the sense that they don't throw body punches they do, but they don't seem to know how to throw paralizing shots to the liver, solar plexes, or things of that nature.

You're saying they DO use it, but they just don't know how to properly throw them. These people if they are not high level boxers they are very skilled strikers from other combat sports. They know how to utilize a body punch very well.

Beebs clearly showed you examples of PLENTY of people knocking people out with body punches. Perhaps more so than in boxing(i.e. body KOs per 100 fights in either sport). So your, quite arragont statement that they don't know how to punch to the body doesn't fly as a "good will" statement. You're gona be knocking on a sport than get your guard up cause you will not be received with much love.

What I'm saying is that with these small gloves it's easier to pinpoint liver, solar plexus and even your spleen. So a good body punch should be concentrated even more than it is in boxing because it's much easier to land and the damage from those punches have great return. Therefore should be used more often.

[Beebs]

You are either just seeing what you want to see because of bias or haven't seen much MMA.

This is the part of beebs post is what makes him sound like a tit, if he bothered to read the posters opening sentence, he would see its obvious his opinion was based on watching the UFC and not the multitude of other events available, so there was no need to make the comment. It was just uneccessarily rude.

There were plenty of examples in the ufc, so either he hasn't seen much or is intentionally not seeing it because of a bias; that's not rude at all.

[Vanboxingfan]

No. Here's what you said "Is this just my imagination or don't they know how to throw good body punches. Considering how often they clinch it seems like a very under utilized weapon, not in the sense that they don't throw body punches they do, but they don't seem to know how to throw paralizing shots to the liver, solar plexes, or things of that nature.

You're saying they DO use it, but they just don't know how to properly throw them. These people if they are not high level boxers they are very skilled strikers from other combat sports. They know how to utilize a body punch very well.

Beebs clearly showed you examples of PLENTY of people knocking people out with body punches. Perhaps more so than in boxing(i.e. body KOs per 100 fights in either sport). So your, quite arragont statement that they don't know how to punch to the body doesn't fly as a "good will" statement. You're gona be knocking on a sport than get your guard up cause you will not be received with much love.

What I'm saying is that with these small gloves it's easier to pinpoint liver, solar plexus and even your spleen. So a good body punch should be concentrated even more than it is in boxing because it's much easier to land and the damage from those punches have great return. Therefore should be used more often.

I'm a big boy so your comments don't bother me in the least, but why you'd waste your time focusing on me instead of the question is a mystery to me, and being offended by the question, is simply ridiculous

I'm not knocking the damn sport, I'm focusing on a question. Why the hypersensitivity?

I enjoy watching the UFC more than most boxing matches chill out. I was merely making an observation.

Would I be critising boxers if I said they can't kick worth a damn?

I'm just saying for the amount of stand up action I've seen, and I've seen hundreds of fights, I can't recall any of them ending by a body punch. Now does that mean none have ever ended by a body punch, no it doesn't. I'm just saying I don't recall seeing it. And I will say given the amount of UFC matches I've seen, if it does happen, it happens rarely.

[Vanboxingfan]

There were plenty of examples in the ufc, so either he hasn't seen much or is intentionally not seeing it because of a bias; that's not rude at all.

Fine I'm blind.

Just to prove it, give me a list of ten fights that were ended by a body punch cause that list has no where near 10 and I doubt most of those fights occurred in the UFC.

[Vanboxingfan]

Yeah but he said "body punches". Seven of that top ten body shots were not punches. Five were kicks, one was a knee and one was a fucking body slam.
So the top ten body shots had a total of 3 punches, rather proving his initial point that body punches are not used much in MMA.


I only saw 3-4 body punches in that top ten "Body Punch" list. Number 8 was essentially an illustration of what I thought I would see more of when I first started watching the UFC.

[codeman99998]

I think it is true that there is much less body punching in the UFC than in boxing, but it makes sense for a bunch of reasons that have probably already been laid out in this thread.
The biggest of which being that it is typically foolish to throw a body punch from the outside, and on the inside you have a lot more options than punching in MMA.

There are definitely less body punches thrown in mma in general. Hell, there are less punches period thrown in MMA in general.

[pimpsage86]

Elbows.Drop your hands to dig in a good body shot and your getting a hard and pointy cut maker to the face.

[Vanboxingfan]

Elbows.Drop your hands to dig in a good body shot and your getting a hard and pointy cut maker to the face.

Well I was specifically thinking of when a fighter is on top in a ground and pound position, but whatever.