Taylor vs Pavlik - who wins and why?

[nrgetic]

Pavlik by Points


Taylor drops his left hand and this will provide openings for Pavlik and this might resonate in the minds of the judges when they score rounds. Taylor gave away a number of rounds against Winy Wright due to his stance (Taylor had the left hand up in the Hopkins fight and Steward probably will stress to keep it up given Pavlik’s reach advantage)
Taylor doesn't show too much punch variety. Taylor throws a lot of straight shots and doesn't mix his offense to much. Pavlik might start to get Taylor’s rhythm
Pavlik has a compact aggressive and economical style that is pleasing to watch, he looks to be in control, his reach will potentially make it difficult for Taylor to get inside whereas Pavlik could score rounds by fighting on the inside
If Pavlik matches Taylor’s footwork Pavlik could deny Taylor scoring opportunities and this could become an easy and safe fight for Pavlik scoring on the outside with straight jabs and right crosses

Pavlik by Stoppage


Pavlik is a very straight hard puncher and he can sustain a solid work rate.
Taylor is prone to swelling and he could easily get hit enough for a late stoppage
Pavlik has a tough chin and when it comes done to trading he may overwhelm Taylor
When Taylor throws the jab he drops it to his waist after his has thrown it and this could expose him to a counterpunch right hand from Pavlik
Taylor resorted to hanging on the ropes against Winky Wright and he got hammered every time he did it, if he does this against Pavlik he is getting KOed
Taylor is embarrassed by previous performances – he may take imprudent risks and push the action and get KOed
Pavlik has serious KO power and the temperament to capitalise. Pavlik is patient and methodical to break Taylor down and put him face first into the canvas


Taylor by Points


Taylor has a significant speed (hands and feet) advantage over Pavlik
Taylor is not a body puncher so Pavlik may remain mobile enough to go 12 rounds
Taylor is more athletic and a better mover than Pavlik so he could rack up rounds by effective aggression on the inside
Taylor is a more skillful fighter than Pavlik so he can fight for a points wino Very early on the movement of Beaupierre made it difficult for Pavlik’s offense, Taylor will potentially be mobile for the entirety of the fight
o Zertuche was very flat footed whereas Taylor is not and the opportunities that Pavlik exploited against Zertuche will not be available against Taylor. Pavlik has won a lot of fights because of the weaknesses that Taylor does not have, the past Pavlik performances might not be that applicable in this fight.

Taylor by Stoppage


Taylor will beat Pavlik to the punch due to his superior hand speed and KO him
Pavlik was hit a lot against Zertuche and Taylor punches harder and if Pavlik gave him as many opportunities as Zertuche got then Pavlik is getting KOed
Pavlik has a habit of bouncing in one spot inside the kill zone and Taylor’s footwork and hand speed will capitalise
Taylor is embarrassed by previous performances – he will be more aggressive in this fight and he will fight on the inside
Pavlik leaves his chin up waiting to be hit, Taylor will land sooner or later
Pavlik has been untested on the back foot, if Taylor gets on top then Pavlik may foldTaylor by KO is my tip but the way the odds are at the moment I would have to bet Pavlik by KO because that is where the value is

Any other perspectives or learnings from other fights?

[markbrooklyn]

Taylor by KO... Taylor hasnt looked good because he's been in there against Southpaws. The last right hand fighter he fought was Hopkins and that was years ago. Taylor is too fast for Pavlik and has a great jab. Pavlik will find out that Miranda is no Jermain Taylor.

[Boinko]

This fight will go the distance, and Taylor will win.

Pavlik fans have been creaming their jeans ever since Kelly's victory over Miranda, but Taylor is a much smarter fighter.

I expect Kelly to be game, but he will be overwhelmed by Taylor's boxing skills.

Taylor UD.

p.s. Expect some fans to scream "HBO conspiracy!!! Pavlik was robbed!!!"

[lillarry]

Pavlik by Points


Taylor drops his left hand and this will provide openings for Pavlik and this might resonate in the minds of the judges when they score rounds. Taylor gave away a number of rounds against Winy Wright due to his stance (Taylor had the left hand up in the Hopkins fight and Steward probably will stress to keep it up given Pavlik’s reach advantage)
Taylor doesn't show too much punch variety. Taylor throws a lot of straight shots and doesn't mix his offense to much. Pavlik might start to get Taylor’s rhythm
Pavlik has a compact aggressive and economical style that is pleasing to watch, he looks to be in control, his reach will potentially make it difficult for Taylor to get inside whereas Pavlik could score rounds by fighting on the inside
If Pavlik matches Taylor’s footwork Pavlik could deny Taylor scoring opportunities and this could become an easy and safe fight for Pavlik scoring on the outside with straight jabs and right crosses

Pavlik by Stoppage


Pavlik is a very straight hard puncher and he can sustain a solid work rate.
Taylor is prone to swelling and he could easily get hit enough for a late stoppage
Pavlik has a tough chin and when it comes done to trading he may overwhelm Taylor
When Taylor throws the jab he drops it to his waist after his has thrown it and this could expose him to a counterpunch right hand from Pavlik
Taylor resorted to hanging on the ropes against Winky Wright and he got hammered every time he did it, if he does this against Pavlik he is getting KOed
Taylor is embarrassed by previous performances – he may take imprudent risks and push the action and get KOed
Pavlik has serious KO power and the temperament to capitalise. Pavlik is patient and methodical to break Taylor down and put him face first into the canvas


Taylor by Points


Taylor has a significant speed (hands and feet) advantage over Pavlik
Taylor is not a body puncher so Pavlik may remain mobile enough to go 12 rounds
Taylor is more athletic and a better mover than Pavlik so he could rack up rounds by effective aggression on the inside
Taylor is a more skillful fighter than Pavlik so he can fight for a points wino Very early on the movement of Beaupierre made it difficult for Pavlik’s offense, Taylor will potentially be mobile for the entirety of the fight
o Zertuche was very flat footed whereas Taylor is not and the opportunities that Pavlik exploited against Zertuche will not be available against Taylor. Pavlik has won a lot of fights because of the weaknesses that Taylor does not have, the past Pavlik performances might not be that applicable in this fight.

Taylor by Stoppage


Taylor will beat Pavlik to the punch due to his superior hand speed and KO him
Pavlik was hit a lot against Zertuche and Taylor punches harder and if Pavlik gave him as many opportunities as Zertuche got then Pavlik is getting KOed
Pavlik has a habit of bouncing in one spot inside the kill zone and Taylor’s footwork and hand speed will capitalise
Taylor is embarrassed by previous performances – he will be more aggressive in this fight and he will fight on the inside
Pavlik leaves his chin up waiting to be hit, Taylor will land sooner or later
Pavlik has been untested on the back foot, if Taylor gets on top then Pavlik may foldTaylor by KO is my tip but the way the odds are at the moment I would have to bet Pavlik by KO because that is where the value is

Any other perspectives or learnings from other fights?


Good Analysis. How about making a poll?

[nrgetic]

Good Analysis. How about making a poll?

I don't know how to make a poll, how does one do that I have always wondered?

[Toney]

Good post ngetic!!! :good

I am strongly picking Jermain Taylor. I think the he is far more skílled boxer and I do belive that his power is underrated. I can see Taylor outboxing Pavlik and if they exchance early I still think that Taylor will win it. He is the better man.

But I also strongly belived that Miranda would stop Pavlik. So you never know...

[brooklyn1550]

Kelly Pavlik TKO7 Jermain Taylor

Kelly Pavlik is technically more solid than Jermain Taylor. He throws the straighter punches, is more compact, holds his hands up higher, and does not telegraph them as much. Jermain Taylor, however, is the much better athlete who has the better reflexes, hand speed, and foot speed. Pavlik has the higher workrate and is always staying busy. Pavlik is the smarter fighter and always seems to stick to a perfect gameplan and I expect him to this time. I see Pavlik putting pressure on Taylor early, cutting off the ring, and going to the body. When Pavlik gets Taylor into a corner or against the ropes, he will tee off as Wright did. Taylor is like a fish out of water when he is against the ropes. Taylor must use his jab and move away from Pavlik's right hand. If he is aggressive, he will get knocked out earlier than my prediction of 7. The fact that Taylor holds his left hand low spells disaster. Pavlik will find him with a huge right hand sooner or later and when he does, Taylor is going to feel it. People can't bank on Taylor boxing like Tommy Hearns or James Toney. He is most effective when he uses his jab and is the aggressor - not when he fights off of the back foot. Recently, Pavlik just keeps getting better and better while Taylor, every fight, looks more beatable. All of this, to me, spells Pavlik by knockout. Nothing against Jermain Taylor because I respect him as a champion due to his willingness to fight the very best, but I believe he will move up to super middleweight after this fight with a record of 27-1-1 (17).

[TroubleLurks]

This fight will go the distance, and Taylor will win.

Pavlik fans have been creaming their jeans ever since Kelly's victory over Miranda, but Taylor is a much smarter fighter.

I expect Kelly to be game, but he will be overwhelmed by Taylor's boxing skills.

Taylor UD.

p.s. Expect some fans to scream "HBO conspiracy!!! Pavlik was robbed!!!"
+1 :good

[nrgetic]

Kelly Pavlik TKO7 Jermain Taylor

Kelly Pavlik is technically more solid than Jermain Taylor. He throws the straighter punches, is more compact, holds his hands up higher, and does not telegraph them as much. Jermain Taylor, however, is the much better athlete who has the better reflexes, hand speed, and foot speed. Pavlik has the higher workrate and is always staying busy. Pavlik is the smarter fighter and always seems to stick to a perfect gameplan and I expect him to this time. I see Pavlik putting pressure on Taylor early, cutting off the ring, and going to the body. When Pavlik gets Taylor into a corner or against the ropes, he will tee off as Wright did. Taylor is like a fish out of water when he is against the ropes. Taylor must use his jab and move away from Pavlik's right hand. If he is aggressive, he will get knocked out earlier than my prediction of 7. The fact that Taylor holds his left hand low spells disaster. Pavlik will find him with a huge right hand sooner or later and when he does, Taylor is going to feel it. People can't bank on Taylor boxing like Tommy Hearns or James Toney. He is most effective when he uses his jab and is the aggressor - not when he fights off of the back foot. Recently, Pavlik just keeps getting better and better while Taylor, every fight, looks more beatable. All of this, to me, spells Pavlik by knockout. Nothing against Jermain Taylor because I respect him as a champion due to his willingness to fight the very best, but I believe he will move up to super middleweight after this fight with a record of 27-1-1 (17).

These are the two key points, Taylors low left hand has sent me spare in the past! I am figuring during training camp Emanuel Steward had superglued his left to his cheek because if he pulls that shit against Pavlik you are dead right - TAYLOR IS GETTING KOed for sure!

[El Bombasto]

taylor has the reputation, experience, and is one of hbo's darlings. unless pavlik can win convincingly (stoppage or wide margin ud) taylor will win by decision.

[Imperial1]

I am picking JT ..What I'm curios to see is which one of the 2 establishes the jab first ?

[nezy37]

I like Taylor be decision for the reasons listed, primarily his jab. Pavliks chin is too good to get KOed IMO

[rodney]

Easy fight for Pavlic.
Taylor not busy enough, doesnt want to mix it up, and you can even say lazy.
Pavelic wants to fight, comes to fight and is very busy.
If Taylor doesnt get stopped, then he will look very bad trying to survive 12 rounds.
Good riddens to somebody who calls themselves a fighter.

[Zakman]

Pavlik is going to win, and by impressive early rounds KO. There is a REASON Taylor's been taking on light-hitters from the low weights ever since Hopkins rocked him. Pavlik is going to show what many of us have thought for some time - Taylor can't take a middleweight punch.

[Boinko]

Because its impossible to win a decision over an HBO darling :good

Actually, I think Pavlik could easily fit the role as an HBO darling just as well. He's young, strong, and looks like a tough guy all around.
If there truly are forces at work behind the scenes at HBO who are protecting Taylor as their meal ticket, I'm sure they'd be just as happy to let Pavlik take over that role.
I'm not acknowledging something like that is happening at HBO - I think it's pretty unlikely. But, if I may play conspiracy theorist for a moment, I wouldn't expect Taylor to have his usual HBO advantage in this fight.

[nrgetic]

Pavlik is going to win, and by impressive early rounds KO. There is a REASON Taylor's been taking on light-hitters from the low weights ever since Hopkins rocked him. Pavlik is going to show what many of us have thought for some time - Taylor can't take a middleweight punch.

I think Taylor was matched against smaller opponents recently eg Ouma to achieve an impressive KO for his maketability after the controversy of the Hopkins fights but it didn't happen and only compounded his dilemma. I think Taylor can take a punch, the key question is can he take Pavlik's punch! The Pavlik fight can turn everything around for Taylor or write him off in the (small) minds of many

[JETSKI]

Actually, I think Pavlik could easily fit the role as an HBO darling just as well. He's young, strong, and looks like a tough guy all around.
If there truly are forces at work behind the scenes at HBO who are protecting Taylor as their meal ticket, I'm sure they'd be just as happy to let Pavlik take over that role.
I'm not acknowledging something like that is happening at HBO - I think it's pretty unlikely. But, if I may play conspiracy theorist for a moment, I wouldn't expect Taylor to have his usual HBO advantage in this fight.

And this is why Pavlik has to make sure it doesn't go to the scorecards...which I don't think it will.

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[red cobra]

I actually like Taylor and was for him both time he beat Hopkins, and have said be patient with him, and he'll eventually come into his own as a champion, and score ko's and not disappoint anyone, but I have a sense of foreboding about this fight with Pavlik. I have read of Pavlik's earlier fights and his most recent against Miranda, and it seems he's the real thing. I'm very impressed so far. I won't make a prediction, but somehow I think Pavlik might be a real surprise here.

[standing 8]

I think Taylor was matched against smaller opponents recently eg Ouma to achieve an impressive KO for his maketability after the controversy of the Hopkins fights but it didn't happen and only compounded his dilemma. I think Taylor can take a punch, the key question is can he take Pavlik's punch! The Pavlik fight can turn everything around for Taylor or write him off in the (small) minds of many

I agree, it may not matter if Taylor wins or loses in this match up as long as he preforms well in the ring. I think that Taylor made a big mistake in not fighting Miranda while he was still hot. However, Taylor has made up for that by taking on Pavlik, but it's going to be a harder fight for him to win.

[Stickandmove]

Actually, I think Pavlik could easily fit the role as an HBO darling just as well. He's young, strong, and looks like a tough guy all around.
If there truly are forces at work behind the scenes at HBO who are protecting Taylor as their meal ticket, I'm sure they'd be just as happy to let Pavlik take over that role.
I'm not acknowledging something like that is happening at HBO - I think it's pretty unlikely. But, if I may play conspiracy theorist for a moment, I wouldn't expect Taylor to have his usual HBO advantage in this fight.

Yeah, Taylor has lost his lustre after boring wins against Ouma and Spinks. There is no love for Jermain Taylor judging from the comments I've read on ESB.

HBO may be looking for the new 'great white hope' of the middleweight division - Kelly Pavlik. And Jermain Taylor may fall by the wayside - if he loses this fight.

But I'm predicting Taylor to comfortably school Pavlik.

[Executioner]

Pavlik wins. Why? Because Amsterdam told me so. :yep :lol:

:lol: :rofl ditto :yep

[Stickandmove]

Amsterdam?

[Dorfmeister]

taylor by close decision why do people think pavlik will win only way is if he knocks him out and it wont hapen

nrgetic has great insight but Knock out put it short and best. I'll add only Kelly beats Jermain if he gets his eyes swollen shut or cut but remember that Wright achieved that with a clash of heads so we gat to be careful with what we wish for, ultimately he may reap what he'll sow... I still think Kelly is disadvantaged cause he has to seize the initiative and Jermain has the better jab to stop him coming at him, Jermain UD... Kelly is young, he'll be back!

[brooklyn1550]

Pavlik by TKO...Round 7

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam?

Do I have to post my assessment and prediction yet again?

Pavlik KO from rounds 3-7, but it may be an even earlier blowout depending on when the size and pressure sets in over the fragile Jermain Taylor.

It's absurd to think that Taylor should be the favourite in this bout, he has a very minor chance however, and that's only because Pavlik himself is an all around B level fighter compared to the very best in the sport.

However, I am confident that he cannot handle pressure fighting to any degree and that he has a very suspect chin, he'll fall apart and get KTFO and ends one more card in the overrated deck, the deck that most boxing fans just accept outright as the very best and not from personal analysation, but from common conformist opinion.

:smoke

[Ambition_Def]

Pavlik will win by stoppage imo.

Mainly because Taylor leaves that left hand so low. That won't hurt him so much against a southpaw but an orthodox guy who has "bread and butter" written all over his right hand is a different story.

I expect Pavlik to have an answer for Taylor's jab very early on in the fight. Taylor will get into the fight, and will slowly slip back into his instincts which tell him to hold the left low and trade punches. Taylor is pretty immobile when it comes to trading punches, so expect to see that monster Pavlik right hand landing flush at certain points. And it may come as early as the first round.

Taylor has alot of heart. I think that is what got him where he is really. But he's gonna go out on his shield in this one, with Manny not even getting much time to scream at him.

And anyone who makes nosense about their trial meeting as kids, remember that Pavlik was 17, Taylor was 22. Just like with Abdulaev vs Cotto, the boy who once lost to the man will return as a man, and the tide will shift this time.

[Mind Reader]

I think Taylor's handspeed gets him the UD.

[KhanB]

I fear Manny Steward will make a difference. He always trains best when his back is against the wall. Pavlik and his trainer didnt impress me too much. I know Pavlik has had the same trainer for years but not everybody can connect like Wright and trainer Birmingham. Steward is by far the better trainer with the better athlete so I hope Pavlik can beat Taylor with pure aggression and avenge Hopkins!

[Boinko]

Yeah, Taylor has lost his lustre after boring wins against Ouma and Spinks. There is no love for Jermain Taylor judging from the comments I've read on ESB.

HBO may be looking for the new 'great white hope' of the middleweight division - Kelly Pavlik. And Jermain Taylor may fall by the wayside - if he loses this fight.

But I'm predicting Taylor to comfortably school Pavlik.

Well, I was going to steer clear of mentioning the "white hope" angle, but since you did I think that could be a factor.

But, ultimately the main reason HBO or any other network would have no problem getting behind Pavlik is his style. He's exciting.
Something Taylor hasn't been in his last two fights.

However, I still think we'll find out Saturday night that Pavlik is getting a bit too much credit based on his win over Miranda, and too many people are writing off Taylor based on his most recent performances.

I think Jermain's big fight experience will be the difference and he'll win a close, but totally deserved UD.

[swedeone]

Pavlik will win convincingly by TKO, round 9. There will be a TON of shocked Taylor fans come Sunday morning. Trust me... it's coming folks. :good

[klion22]

I think it's going to be close but i see JT winning by either late stoppage or UD because he is the better athlete, he will finally listen to Steward's training, and he has faced better competition and will know how to handle the later rounds.

[Amsterdam]

Pavlik will win convincingly by TKO, round 9. There will be a TON of shocked Taylor fans come Sunday morning. Trust me... it's coming folks. :good

Tko 9?

Hell Swede, it'll be earlier than that!:lol:

[psychopath]

Tko 9?

Hell Swede, it'll be earlier than that!:lol:

Are you trying to turn this thread into another one of your hate threads? :think

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You noticed how may posters reacted to your posts? :D

:yep :good

[zupg]

Pavlik by KO/TKO round 8. Maybe a knock down a couple rounds early. But I think it will be a great fight and the old hungry JT will show in the early rounds and put on a good performance till he is KO'd.

[psychopath]

Well three days to go and I'm all pumped up for this fight. :yep

I have posted my opinion about three months ago and I'll post it again just for the records.

Taylor has fought the better oppositions. And somehow irregardless how controverstial as some have pictured it out to be, he won and maintained his unbeaten record.

Now Pav is a forward fighter with power in both hands, but he is not as sleek as Bhops or Spinks and he's not as defensive as Wright so I'm picking Taylor to win by points or K.O.

A 50/50 fight though . . . if Pav can push back Taylor, hurt him early and continue to put Taylor beyond his comfort zone he could win.

:yep :good

[Amsterdam]

You know psychopath, when you lose the 6th months bet, I won't be that hard on you, because you aren't displaying any extreme apologism here.

I had some nasty shit lined up also, but that'll not happen now, just something typical.

[Decebal]

You know psychopath, when you lose the 6th months bet, I won't be that hard on you, because you aren't displaying any extreme apologism here.

I had some nasty shit lined up also, but that'll not happen now, just something typical.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :good

[brooklyn1550]

If Pavlik wins this by KO, I can't wait to see what you have in store Amsterdam:lol:

[Amsterdam]

If Pavlik wins this by KO, I can't wait to see what you have in store Amsterdam:lol:

First comes a 'dish out crow' thread to every Taylor/Hype job apologising fan that underrates some of the best fighters in the world to push their flawed fighters.

Second comes a final 'review' thread of the entire situation involving Jermain Taylor and the media overrating him from day 1 and also how it relates to locking some of the best talent out of potential glory, then how it ties to the circle jerking circuit in one final reviewing essay.

Then we will go over true rankings and see how everyone feels, because if Pavlik blows this guy out, it says a lot about the current state of two former elite's in Hopkins and Wright IMO.

[psychopath]

You know psychopath, when you lose the 6th months bet, I won't be that hard on you, because you aren't displaying any extreme apologism here.

I had some nasty shit lined up also, but that'll not happen now, just something typical.

Why be hard on me. :think

Did I ever tried to pull down or insult your boy? As I said before . . . I pick winners on every fight but that doesn't measn I hate the other fighter. :D

Just the same . . . I won't be hard on you too despite your obsession to completely discredit Taylor on this board. You're acting like a possesed kid dude. :yep

If you lose I'll wait for you to comeback after six months and let you dawn the banner and avatar I have prepared . . . that's all . . . no big deal. :D :good

[Amsterdam]

Why be hard on me. :think

Did I ever tried to pull down or insult your boy? As I said before . . . I pick winners on every fight but that doesn't measn I hate the other fighter. :D

Just the same . . . I won't be hard on you too despite your obsession to completely discredit Taylor on this board. You're acting like a possesed kid dude. :yep

If you lose I'll wait for you to comeback after six months and let you dawn the banner and avatar I have prepared . . . that's all . . . no big deal. :D :good

If it were 'Nervouxtian' or 'Lance Uppercut' betting against me for six months with their extreme apologist logic, I'd leave them with something brutal, I can't stand either of those tools.

[psychopath]

If it were 'Nervouxtian' or 'Lance Uppercut' betting against me for six months with their extreme apologist logic, I'd leave them with something brutal, I can't stand either of those tools.

:D Well first off I'm not apologizing for Taylor. :yep

If he lose and get his ass kicked by Palvik that simply means I chose the wrong winner. :lol: :good

[Amsterdam]

:D Well first off I'm not apologizing for Taylor. :yep

If he lose and get his ass kicked by Palvik that simply means I chose the wrong winner. :lol: :good

And from my end, the entire Taylor hate train got out of hand due to the responses, I really don't hate him 'that' bad, I just feel he's simply very flawed and has been overrated but some of the debates have just been hysterical against these clowns who think they know a lot about boxing and attempt to be what they consider 'impartial' and 'objective'.:lol:

If he wins, I'll actually give him props for defeating a big stylistic nemesis, then I'll be out of here, not like I couldn't benefit from wasting less time on here anyway.:yep

[psychopath]

And from my end, the entire Taylor hate train got out of hand due to the responses, I really don't hate him 'that' bad, I just feel he's simply very flawed and has been overrated but some of the debates have just been hysterical against these clowns who think they know a lot about boxing and attempt to be what they consider 'impartial' and 'objective'.:lol:

If he wins, I'll actually give him props for defeating a big stylistic nemesis, then I'll be out of here, not like I couldn't benefit from wasting less time on here anyway.:yep

I know . . . I know that's why I rarely reply because I don't want to be dragged into it. :D

Anyway . . . good luck to our fighters buddy! :good

[Stickandmove]

Would Pavlik have any chance of beating Hopkins?

No.

But that's what Taylor did. Twice (albeit in very close fights).

Pavlik is pedestrian and I'm convinced that Taylor will win this easily. Who has Pavlik fought? Miranda. Taylor has been in there with Hopkins and Wright, and is in another league to Pavlik.

Have you guys even looked at Pavlik's record? This guy hasn't fought anyone even remotely in Taylor's league.

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He's getting schooled.

[swedeone]

Would Pavlik have any chance of beating Hopkins?

No.

But that's what Taylor did. Twice (albeit in very close fights).

Pavlik is pedestrian and I'm convinced that Taylor will win this easily. Who has Pavlik fought? Miranda. Taylor has been in there with Hopkins and Wright, and is in another league to Pavlik.

Have you guys even looked at Pavlik's record? This guy hasn't fought anyone even remotely in Taylor's league.

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He's getting schooled.


Man... you are in for the shock of your life. I can't wait to see your excuses on Sunday morning after Pavlik has wiped Taylor out with EASE. I'm willing to bet you won't even be around here.


Pavlik by TKO, round 9

:good

[T.S.]

Who? Taylor
Why? Manny Steward

[Decebal]

First comes a 'dish out crow' thread to every Taylor/Hype job apologising fan that underrates some of the best fighters in the world to push their flawed fighters.

Second comes a final 'review' thread of the entire situation involving Jermain Taylor and the media overrating him from day 1 and also how it relates to locking some of the best talent out of potential glory, then how it ties to the circle jerking circuit in one final reviewing essay.

Then we will go over true rankings and see how everyone feels, because if Pavlik blows this guy out, it says a lot about the current state of two former elite's in Hopkins and Wright IMO.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, eh, Amsterdam?:yep

[Lance_Uppercut]

If it were 'Nervouxtian' or 'Lance Uppercut' betting against me for six months with their extreme apologist logic, I'd leave them with something brutal, I can't stand either of those tools.

Apologistic? Give me an example of what I've said apologistic. You're too full of yourself to give ANYONE something brutal. Certainly not good enough to give me anything. You're basically a twat who pretends to be a know it all.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Would Pavlik have any chance of beating Hopkins?

No.

But that's what Taylor did. Twice (albeit in very close fights).

Pavlik is pedestrian and I'm convinced that Taylor will win this easily. Who has Pavlik fought? Miranda. Taylor has been in there with Hopkins and Wright, and is in another league to Pavlik.

Have you guys even looked at Pavlik's record? This guy hasn't fought anyone even remotely in Taylor's league.

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He's getting schooled.

:lol: When was the last time Taylor schooled anybody? Hmmn...let's see. It was the always durable "I damn near got KO'd by Willie Gibbs" Daniel Edouard over two years ago. You're putting way too much emphasis on records, rather than styles. Pavlik poses threats in areas that Winky and Bernard did not. Such as strength, volume punching, height, reach, and most importantly, punching power. Legitimate two-fisted power at that. Smaller men like Winky and Ouma both were able to back Taylor down, and corner him with regularity. What do you expect a bigger, stronger, heavy hitting sturdy chinned fighter to do to him? I'll tell you what...


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[Dorfmeister]

:lol: When was the last time Taylor schooled anybody? Hmmn...let's see. It was the always durable "I damn near got KO'd by Willie Gibbs" Daniel Edouard over two years ago. You're putting way too much emphasis on records, rather than styles. Pavlik poses threats in areas that Winky and Bernard did not. Such as strength, volume punching, height, reach, and most importantly, punching power. Legitimate two-fisted power at that. Smaller men like Winky and Ouma both were able to back Taylor down, and corner him with regularity. What do you expect a bigger, stronger, heavy hitting sturdy chinned fighter to do to him? I'll tell you what...


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I assume your theory/arithmetics have a drawback - Winky and Ouma got in Taylor's guard and followed up cause they penetrated from Taylor's leftfield ( where his low left guard is) in the first place and Pavlik will try to get in from Taylor's right field from where he can antecipate and counter-jab better, it makes it a whole different business... Anyway, very well illustrated, you deserve kudos just for that - great piece of work to explain your view.

[Rumsfeld]

I think it will be a competitive fight that can go either way. I tend to favor Taylor based on his big fight experience, but Pavlik seems hungry and is certainly capable of winning the match.

Should be a good one.

[Zakman]

taylor has the reputation, experience, and is one of hbo's darlings. unless pavlik can win convincingly (stoppage or wide margin ud) taylor will win by decision.

Taylor is indeed HBO's darling - but you can't get a gift decision when you're OUT COLD on the canvas!:-(

Pavlik KO 5:happy

[Stickandmove]

:lol: When was the last time Taylor schooled anybody? Hmmn...let's see. It was the always durable "I damn near got KO'd by Willie Gibbs" Daniel Edouard over two years ago. You're putting way too much emphasis on records, rather than styles. Pavlik poses threats in areas that Winky and Bernard did not. Such as strength, volume punching, height, reach, and most importantly, punching power. Legitimate two-fisted power at that. Smaller men like Winky and Ouma both were able to back Taylor down, and corner him with regularity. What do you expect a bigger, stronger, heavy hitting sturdy chinned fighter to do to him? I'll tell you what...


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I feel honoured to receive such a brilliant response to my post :thumbsup

However, I still think that quality of opposition will be crucial in this bout. Jermain has been fighting the best out there - in terms of skill, Winky, Hopkins and Spinks are ALL among the best boxers in the world. Ouma's not bad either.

Pavlik is relatively crude compared to any of those guys, and I still think that Jermain will be able to comfortably outbox him - especially with Manny Steward on his team.

Despite some predictions of an early KO for Pavlik, most see this as a long fight. Jermain has been the distance in his last 5 fights; Pavlik has NEVER been 12 rounds - will his stamina hold out if the fight goes beyond 9 rounds?:deal