Freedie Roach's P4P Top 10

[Grant1]

I've pinched this from the GF -

1.Manny Pacquiao – Who else? I have been preaching this for the last three years.

2.Floyd Mayweather Jr. – He gave us the title but he should be the second best. The Marquez fight will dictate whether he stays there or not.

3.Juan Manuel Marquez – What can I say? One tough hombre and will hold his own against Mayweather.

4.Edwin Valerio – Some will question this pick but he has something like 25 victories by Kayo without a loss.

5.Shane Mosley – His big victory over Margarito moves him up the list.

6.Arthur Abraham – A really tough puncher with quick hands and a concrete chin.

7.Mikkel Kessler – Only loss to former pound for pound champ, Joe Calzaghe. He should wind up fighting Abraham for the Super Middleweight title.

8.Andre Ward – Great boxing skills and looked very impressive against Edison Miranda.

9. Vasquez – You got to love his heart. Truly a champion as he proved in his fights against Marquez.

10. Amir Khan – I know that some will question Amir on the top ten list. Trust me, he is the real deal!

Agree?

[Lee Mc]

Khan - Number 10???

Piss off!

[cool-cat]

not to sure about Andre Ward.

[GazOC]

The bottom half is garbage.

[cupid]

Valero and Amir :admin

[namsu55]

Who made this list? Is it really Freddy Roaches

[MIK1000]

No Hopkins?????


Andre Ward on it???????

[PrideOfWales]

Instead of writing the list off I would prefer to concentrate on why he would put some of those names ON the list. It's somebody's mythical list.

Obviously Khan is only on there because he expects big things from his charge so we can ignore that one.

Very interesting that he puts Kessler, Ward and Abraham on the list at all. TBH I've never seen Ward but the SSS should tell us more about him. Is he potentially that good?

[itrymariti]

Arthur Abraham?!?!?!!?! Amir Khan?!?!??! Valero?!? That's just fucking stupid.

As I said on the other thread: what happened to Donaire, Marquez, Cotto, Calderon etc.

[achillesthegreat]

It's based on what he thinks the fighters could do and not on what they have done.

[Gaz S]

Quite surprised to see Valero (and Khan, come to mention it) ranked above the likes of Cotto, Hopkins, Calderon, etc. However if it's based on potential, as some seem to think it may be then Gamboa, Rigondeaux, Lara, etc would be above the likes of Khan and Valero anyway.

[Grant1]

7.Mikkel Kessler – Only loss to former pound for pound champ, Joe Calzaghe.

Does he think Calzaghe was P4P no 1 in front of PBF or Pac?

[Losfer_Words]

Roach said he's turn Khan into a P4P fighter. Little do we know, he was talking about his own list!:lol:


EDIT: Valero?

[ishy]

No offence but poor list.

Abraham, Kessler, Ward, Valero, Khan?

[djoc175]

:lol:Valero at 4

[Matt1986]

Khan - Number 10???

Piss off!

good post :good

[kosaros]

From valero it's just wrong :lol:

[antcull]

7.Mikkel Kessler – Only loss to former pound for pound champ, Joe Calzaghe. He should wind up fighting Abraham for the Super Middleweight title.


:deal

Crazy list! I thought I heard him sy he didnt rate Valero before..now hes at NO.4!?

[Jeff Young]

roach is being a good business man as well...i dont put too much stock into how legit this is.....he is hyping his fighters up clearly.....

[Darni187]

I fought Dr.Roach did not think much of Valero, BTW guys i just saw Frank ****** in a black RR Fhantom in North London, car reg 9 FW , i was coming back from my lunch break.

[Grant1]

I fought Dr.Roach did not think much of Valero, BTW guys i just saw Frank ****** in a black RR Fhantom in North London, car reg 9 FW , i was coming back from my lunch break.

what's with this Dr Roach bollocks?

[Losfer_Words]

I fought Dr.Roach did not think much of Valero, BTW guys i just saw Frank ****** in a black RR Fhantom in North London, car reg 9 FW , i was coming back from my lunch break.

I would have threw my sarnie at his car. Why didn't you:blood? Just joking- I bet he gets so much stick on the street. Funny that he has a personalised licence plate, though:patsch:lol:.

[Losfer_Words]

what's with this Dr Roach bollocks?

He's a professional who has prescribed the right doses of technique to the masses.:good

[Grant1]

He's a professional who has prescribed the right doses of technique to the masses.:good

Marvellous.

Well at least now I know the truth I can stop thinking Darni loves everything that is Amir Khan to the point of delusion.

[Losfer_Words]

Marvellous.

Well at least now I know the truth I can stop thinking Darni loves everything that is Amir Khan to the point of delusion.

I was just taking the piss. I think Darni made that up first and now I have been seeing it everywhere on here!:lol::good

[Darni187]

I would have threw my sarnie at his car. Why didn't you:blood? Just joking- I bet he gets so much stick on the street. Funny that he has a personalised licence plate, though:patsch:lol:.
:lol: Flashly cunt, the number plate alone must of cost a arm and a leg.

[Darni187]

I refer to Roach as Dr.Roach out of respect for the man. He is a Dr of the sport.

[ishy]

I refer to Roach as Dr.Roach out of respect for the man. He is a Dr of the sport.

Fuck off, he's only a trainer at the end of the day. This 'Dr.' bollocks is getting out of hand.

I bet there was no Dr. Futch or Dr. Dundee back in the day.

[Darni187]

Fuck off, he's only a trainer at the end of the day. This 'Dr.' bollocks is getting out of hand.

I bet there was no Dr. Futch or Dr. Dundee back in the day. :D Because iam the one who came up with Dr. Thats why.

[cupid]

Fuck off, he's only a trainer at the end of the day. This 'Dr.' bollocks is getting out of hand.

I bet there was no Dr. Futch or Dr. Dundee back in the day.

Becouse there were no intelligent posters like Darni back days :D

[Darni187]

Becouse there were no intelligent posters like Darni back days :D

:deal :good

[Losfer_Words]

:deal :good

If Roach is a Doctor we should start calling Floyd 'Joy' 'The Nurse'.:think:lol:

["TKO"]

He's a professional who has prescribed the right doses of technique to the masses.:good

Didn't deal with Jacko did he?

[Losfer_Words]

Didn't deal with Jacko did he?

:lol::lol::lol: I heard Roach was helping Jacko with his footwork one day at a BBQ and then he mentioned the moonwalk. Jacko stole it so Roach saw too him:-(. This is getting silly now:patsch.

[dan-b]

Crap list. Kessler is on there but not Hopkins.

[kosaros]

:deal :good

The 'Dr' also did great things with Mike Tyson didn't he?

[Grant1]

I refer to Roach as Dr.Roach out of respect for the man. He is a Dr of the sport.

Who awarded him with his Doctorate and what have they dont in the sport to allow them to bestow such honours?

[JIM KELLY]

valero and amir!!!

yeah do not take freddie serious!!

[Paddy]

Khan - Number 10???

Piss off!


I like Amir but come on the fuck he isint even number 1 in his division!

[Darni187]

The 'Dr' also did great things with Mike Tyson didn't he?

You have to listen to Dr., not all fighters can manage that.

:!:

[JIM KELLY]

i remember he put james toney as the #5 best HW of all time!!!

[Mandanda]

So Cotto is not a p4p fighter then......that is a garbage list imo.

There's three to four fighters he added in there that shouldn't be there. A P4P List isn't about potential or skills it's about what the fighter has done and is currently doing.

I like Freddie but he does let himself down at times with silly stuff like this.

[kosaros]

So Cotto is not a p4p fighter then......that is a garbage list imo.

There's three to four fighters he added in there that shouldn't be there. A P4P List isn't about potential or skills it's about what the fighter has done and is currently doing.

I like Freddie but he does let himself down at times with silly stuff like this.

Plus, he has missed out Paul Williams.....

[TFFP]

He did well to include Kessler but that is woeful.

[Losfer_Words]

So Cotto is not a p4p fighter then......that is a garbage list imo.

There's three to four fighters he added in there that shouldn't be there. A P4P List isn't about potential or skills it's about what the fighter has done and is currently doing.

I like Freddie but he does let himself down at times with silly stuff like this.

I'd like to think that he doesn't believe in P4P lists and was taking the piss with this one. He's said it as it is with Valero (untested and hyped) in the past and I think his P4P list is maybe just an inside joke.

[Mandanda]

Plus, he has missed out Paul Williams.....

I'd like to think that he doesn't believe in P4P lists and was taking the piss with this one. He's said it as it is with Valero (untested and hyped) in the past and I think his P4P list is maybe just an inside joke.

I agree Kosaros to leave out Williams is really poor. Andre Ward hasn't even done anything near getting in the top 20 let alone top 10.

It has to be a wind up as Losfer Words said because i remember the Valero comment and i don't see Freddie as type to backtrack..Freddie does like a joke so i hope he just pulling a few legs with this one.

[brown bomber]

Freddy is basing his list on potential. Amir? 10? Not a sniffle.

[kerrminator]

He is probably planning to set up some of his own fighters with these guys so in the future he can claim he rated them by showing this list lol

[Mandanda]

This is the full article for any lads interested.

Boxing trainer Freddie Roach has already established himself as THE boxing trainer of his generation. Sandwiched between Virgil Hill and Manny Pacquiao have been over 33 world champions trained by Freddie. His latest protégé, Amir Khan, was recently crowned the WBA light welterweight champion of the world. Why Freddie Roach has not been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY, is one of the great mysteries of boxing.

Freddie may be clairvoyant
as he has successfully predicted the winner and outcome of every important fight in the last two years. We’ll test Freddie with his analysis of seven important fights due this year. As a bonus, Freddie provides us his list of top ten “pound for pound” fighters. Look for this list at the end of this article.

David T. – Freddie let’s take a look at the super middleweight elimination bouts sponsored by Showtime. Start with Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell.

Freddie Roach – You would give me the tough one first. Froch is a strong puncher with a solid chin. Dirrell is a southpaw with great boxing skills. Prediction: Froch in a very, very, close fight.

DT- Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward

FR- Kessler by decision. Ward has boxing skills but not enough power to present a problem for Kessler.

DT – King Arthur Abraham vs. Jermaine Taylor

FR – Middle round Kayo by Abraham.

DT – Amir Khan vs. Dmitriy Salita

FR – Khan with an easy victory by Kayo. I am constantly being asked if Amir Khan is the next pound for pound champ. My answer is maybe in six years. Amir will be sparring with Manny during training camp. He has a great future in this sport if he stays focused. I am pushing hard for this fight to be on the undercard of the Pacquiao/ Cotto fight. Fight fans deserve better undercards on the pay for view fights.

DT – Kermit Cintron vs. Shane Mosley

FR – Cintron has struggled a bit lately and Shane is full of confidence after his impressive win over Antonio Margarito. Shane should win this one by a knockout.

DT – Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

FR – Great fight. I’m just worried about Marquez going up so much in weight, the fight is at 147 lbs. At 135 Marquez was behind in the 6th round of the Diaz fight. He eventually won but now he is moving up two divisions from that weight. It’s going to be difficult for him to do but if anyone is capable it is Marquez because he is a very clever, clever fighter. Marquez is basically a counter puncher but has been more aggressive in recent fights. I’m not quite sure that his style will beat Mayweather. I’m taking Mayweather by a decision.

DT – Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto

FR – I am aware that many fight fans believe that Manny will beat Cotto the same way he handled Ricky Hatton. I am sure that Manny will win but I need to study more video of Cotto. Of course I have seen the Margarito fight and the Clottey fight but I need to see the fights where he was at his best. This is the only way that I can study his strengths as well as his weaknesses. In a couple of weeks I will be able to tell Manny how to beat Cotto and he will work on this strategy in the gym.

DT – With the many, many, weight divisions and the 100’s of sanctioning associations, many fans look to the “Pound for Pound” list for the top fighters. Fans would love to read the Freddie Roach list of top 10 fighters.

FR – Keep the tape running because I might have to make some changes as we go along:

1.Manny Pacquiao – Who else? I have been preaching this for the last three years.

2.Floyd Mayweather Jr. – He gave us the title but he should be the second best. The Marquez fight will dictate whether he stays there or not.

3.Juan Manuel Marquez – What can I say? One tough hombre and will hold his own against Mayweather.

4.Edwin Valerio – Some will question this pick but he has something like 25 victories by Kayo without a loss.

5.Shane Mosley – His big victory over Margarito moves him up the list.

6.Arthur Abraham – A really tough puncher with quick hands and a concrete chin.

7.Mikkel Kessler – Only loss to former pound for pound champ, Joe Calzaghe. He should wind up fighting Abraham for the Super Middleweight title.

8.Andre Ward – Great boxing skills and looked very impressive against Edison Miranda.

9.Israel Vasquez – You got to love his heart. Truly a champion as he proved in his fights against Marquez.

10. Amir Khan – I know that some will question Amir on the top ten list. Trust me, he is the real deal!

[kerrminator]

Dont think Frank ****** will be happy at his cash cow being on an undercard lol. Although its another good reason to charge PPV (if we get the Cotto Pac fight too)

[Darni187]

Dont think Frank ****** will be happy at his cash cow being on an undercard lol. Although its another good reason to charge PPV (if we get the Cotto Pac fight too)

It might not make Frank much money on the night, but it will be an investment if Khan can put on a show, and build his fan base in the U.S.

This could set up Khan for bigger fights in the U.S as a main event.

[Don't Damn Me]

It's more '10 fighters that he rates and wants to big up', as opposed to a painstakingly thought out appraisal as to who he thinks are the 10 top P4P fighters right now.

Think his predictions are right though.

[Grant1]

He is probably planning to set up some of his own fighters with these guys so in the future he can claim he rated them by showing this list lol

Which makes it even stranger there's no Cotto.

[Grant1]

This is the full article for any lads interested.

Boxing trainer Freddie Roach has already established himself as THE boxing trainer of his generation. Sandwiched between Virgil Hill and Manny Pacquiao have been over 33 world champions trained by Freddie. His latest protégé, Amir Khan, was recently crowned the WBA light welterweight champion of the world. Why Freddie Roach has not been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY, is one of the great mysteries of boxing.

Freddie may be clairvoyant
as he has successfully predicted the winner and outcome of every important fight in the last two years. We’ll test Freddie with his analysis of seven important fights due this year. As a bonus, Freddie provides us his list of top ten “pound for pound” fighters. Look for this list at the end of this article.

David T. – Freddie let’s take a look at the super middleweight elimination bouts sponsored by Showtime. Start with Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell.

Freddie Roach – You would give me the tough one first. Froch is a strong puncher with a solid chin. Dirrell is a southpaw with great boxing skills. Prediction: Froch in a very, very, close fight.

DT- Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward

FR- Kessler by decision. Ward has boxing skills but not enough power to present a problem for Kessler.

DT – King Arthur Abraham vs. Jermaine Taylor

FR – Middle round Kayo by Abraham.

DT – Amir Khan vs. Dmitriy Salita

FR – Khan with an easy victory by Kayo. I am constantly being asked if Amir Khan is the next pound for pound champ. My answer is maybe in six years. Amir will be sparring with Manny during training camp. He has a great future in this sport if he stays focused. I am pushing hard for this fight to be on the undercard of the Pacquiao/ Cotto fight. Fight fans deserve better undercards on the pay for view fights.

DT – Kermit Cintron vs. Shane Mosley

FR – Cintron has struggled a bit lately and Shane is full of confidence after his impressive win over Antonio Margarito. Shane should win this one by a knockout.

DT – Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

FR – Great fight. I’m just worried about Marquez going up so much in weight, the fight is at 147 lbs. At 135 Marquez was behind in the 6th round of the Diaz fight. He eventually won but now he is moving up two divisions from that weight. It’s going to be difficult for him to do but if anyone is capable it is Marquez because he is a very clever, clever fighter. Marquez is basically a counter puncher but has been more aggressive in recent fights. I’m not quite sure that his style will beat Mayweather. I’m taking Mayweather by a decision.

DT – Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto

FR – I am aware that many fight fans believe that Manny will beat Cotto the same way he handled Ricky Hatton. I am sure that Manny will win but I need to study more video of Cotto. Of course I have seen the Margarito fight and the Clottey fight but I need to see the fights where he was at his best. This is the only way that I can study his strengths as well as his weaknesses. In a couple of weeks I will be able to tell Manny how to beat Cotto and he will work on this strategy in the gym.

DT – With the many, many, weight divisions and the 100’s of sanctioning associations, many fans look to the “Pound for Pound” list for the top fighters. Fans would love to read the Freddie Roach list of top 10 fighters.

FR – Keep the tape running because I might have to make some changes as we go along:

1.Manny Pacquiao – Who else? I have been preaching this for the last three years.

2.Floyd Mayweather Jr. – He gave us the title but he should be the second best. The Marquez fight will dictate whether he stays there or not.

3.Juan Manuel Marquez – What can I say? One tough hombre and will hold his own against Mayweather.

4.Edwin Valerio – Some will question this pick but he has something like 25 victories by Kayo without a loss.

5.Shane Mosley – His big victory over Margarito moves him up the list.

6.Arthur Abraham – A really tough puncher with quick hands and a concrete chin.

7.Mikkel Kessler – Only loss to former pound for pound champ, Joe Calzaghe. He should wind up fighting Abraham for the Super Middleweight title.

8.Andre Ward – Great boxing skills and looked very impressive against Edison Miranda.

9.Israel Vasquez – You got to love his heart. Truly a champion as he proved in his fights against Marquez.

10. Amir Khan – I know that some will question Amir on the top ten list. Trust me, he is the real deal!

What a load of bolloxs.

[SouthpawSlayer]

amir khan at 10 is a disgrace because he has beat fagan, a grandad barrera and kotelnik that is a disgrace

andre ward is gonna be up there this timenext year, the man is pure class

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Its amazing that people forget that Freddie Roach trained fighters have lost several times as well. I am making a prediction now that I am picking Cotto to stop Pacman. The Cotto that beat Shane Mosley will win this fight. I have noticed that Pacman has not been hit properly since he went up to Lightweight. His time is coming.

[Losfer_Words]

Its amazing that people forget that Freddie Roach trained fighters have lost several times as well. I am making a prediction now that I am picking Cotto to stop Pacman. The Cotto that beat Shane Mosley will win this fight. I have noticed that Pacman has not been hit properly since he went up to Lightweight. His time is coming.

Hatton caught him once. You are correct that he is yet to take some from 135 up. It's an interesting fight and it will be interesting to see how it pans out- I think people are a bit too keen to write Cotto off as well:good.

[Gaz S]

Hatton caught him once. You are correct that he is yet to take some from 135 up. It's an interesting fight and it will be interesting to see how it pans out- I think people are a bit too keen to write Cotto off as well:good.

I too am very surprised at the boxing world's general dismissal of Cotto in this fight. To me, he's the favourite in this one. I'm picking Cotto by KO.

Take nothing away from Pacquiao, he is an awesome fighter but he's never fought anyone as big or as strong as Cotto who's going to be as tenacious as hell. He won't steam in face first like Hatton, he won't be as slow as Diaz and he certainly won't be drained and faded as De La Hoya.

To me, this is the step too far for Manny. If he does pull it off then he gets major props from me (he already has them, but if he wins this then that'll be amazing). I think a lot of people, including Team Pac, are getting slightly carried away a little with Manny's recent successes - as fantastic as they were - and are starting to believe he is invincible and are somewhat overlooking Cotto.
Seriously, if Pac gets the win then all respect to him, but he's fighting a very live, young, hungry beast in Miguel Cotto and I personally feel he's bitten off more than he can chew. To me this is 70/30 in Cotto's favour, and if Pacquiao scores a legitimate win, then it will be his most impressive victory by far.

[Grant1]

Its amazing that people forget that Freddie Roach trained fighters have lost several times as well. I am making a prediction now that I am picking Cotto to stop Pacman. The Cotto that beat Shane Mosley will win this fight. I have noticed that Pacman has not been hit properly since he went up to Lightweight. His time is coming.

Also, this is the guy, who after training him to fight JC, said Hopkins should retire rather than fight Pavlik.

It seems, for whatever reason, that whatever Roach says is gospel in many people's eyes.

[Rangersfan1982]

khan, what a lot of absolute pish.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Also, this is the guy, who after training him to fight JC, said Hopkins should retire rather than fight Pavlik.

It seems, for whatever reason, that whatever Roach says is gospel in many people's eyes.

Finally we are on the same side of an argument.. You are quite right it seems that certain people think Roach walks on water. Have you noticed that against legitimate Welters team Pacman are trying to get them to come in at closer to 140 pounds trying to rig things in Pacman's favour. This begs the question as to why do they need this advantage if he is so great?

[Grant1]

Finally we are on the same side of an argument.. You are quite right it seems that certain people think Roach walks on water. Have you noticed that against legitimate Welters team Pacman are trying to get them to come in at closer to 140 pounds trying to rig things in Pacman's favour. This begs the question as to why do they need this advantage if he is so great?

:lol: Too true. What's the latest on Ajose?

And I'm still not who you think I am :good

[achillesthegreat]

Pac is trying to get guys closer to 140 cos he would be about 40 pounds from his lowest weight. Roach realises his fighter has nearly hit his peak weight. Nevertheless at a comfortable welterweight weight he has fought DLH and will fight Cotto so the point is moot.

[warrior85]

what a fuckin joker

[Olu G. Rotimi]

:lol: Too true. What's the latest on Ajose?

And I'm still not who you think I am :good

Ajose is fighting Ionut Dan Ion in a final eliminator for the WBC title with the winner to fight the winner of Alexander versus Witter (Please God may it be Alexander). Ionut's promoter won the purse bid and want to stage it in Romania but their are attempts to bring it to London. Also some changes in Team Ajose from a promotional perspective and yours truly taking a back seat as it has become increasingly difficult to manage alongside my other commitments. However I remain available to support and advice as required. I have every confidence that Ajose the British Empire, Commonwealth and African Champion will become World Champion. If Amir Khan can become World Champion then Ajose most certainly will. How good is the Welsh lad Cleverly? Can he go all the way?