Here we go again........Mundine steps up!

[04eta]

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[ashley]

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Oh well.....it could have been worse :yep

Mundine VS Medley then winner takes on Geale is not so bad......is it :huh

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Confusing to say the least! The article begins with...

'Grange promoter Treacy is negotiating with Mundine’s manager Nasser for “The Man” to defend his IBO middleweight boxing world title against Robert Medley in Tasmania in October'.

Plainly, with the mandatory ordered by the IBO against Geale by Feb 27, Mundine cannot defend the title in October against Medley!

Could be wrong here, but it sounds like Mundine's mob are trying to con Geale's using the Tassie venue as the carrot, and then putting Medley before Geale in the pecking order.

Geale's mob would want the conditions for this thing set in stone! Better still tell them to bugger off!

What happens if Mundine is allowed to defend against Medley. Medley wins the title, and then doesn't want a part of Geale?

[ashley]

What happens if Mundine is allowed to defend against Medley. Medley wins the title, and then doesn't want a part of Geale?

Then its Medley for PM :lol:

[IrnBruMan]

Gee, all that talk of Sturm, Pavlik, Abraham has suddenly changed to talk of Medley, Bika and Geale :roll:

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Wouldn't trust team Mundine, full stop.

The mandatory is in place - if team Geale forgo it they are fairdinkum stooges.

[04eta]

Plainly, with the mandatory ordered by the IBO against Geale by Feb 27, Mundine cannot defend the title in October against Medley!


Mundine could fight Medley then easily fight again before Feb 27. If Medley won Geale would still be the mandatory so Medley would have to face him

[PorkChopExpress]

hmm as a big fan of Mundine - slowly dwindling - reading this shit is just beyond a joke now. When he's going to fight someone on the world stage, can someone just put a new thread up with all caps saying "PORKY, IT'S HAPPENING" until then, I'll just avoid these Mundine threads. Its better for my health and the health of those around me.

[roscoe]

Medleys the obvious choice for mandy. He's a good little fighter, not great though. Has stepped up twice & got soundly beaten by a welter. Why would Mandy bother to fight Pavlik, Sturm or rematch Geale when a mouth watering fight is right there in Medley. And this is no offense to Rob, good for him, hope he gets some $$$$ but if this fight goes ahead then it speaks voumes on how serious Mandy is in fighting the worlds best.

[PorkChopExpress]

Medleys the obvious choice for mandy. He's a good little fighter, not great though. Has stepped up twice & got soundly beaten by a welter. Why would Mandy bother to fight Pavlik, Sturm or rematch Geale when a mouth watering fight is right there in Medley. And this is no offense to Rob, good for him, hope he gets some $$$$ but if this fight goes ahead then it speaks voumes on how serious Mandy is in fighting the worlds best.

Excellent post! Thing is this thread, this fight and this post should be happening in 2004. Not 2009. That's the whole problem right there!

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Mundine could fight Medley then easily fight again before Feb 27. If Medley won Geale would still be the mandatory so Medley would have to face him

What has the fact that the IBO deemed, on the evidence of their previous bout, that Mundine must defend against Geale, got to do with Medley?

Surely if Medley challenges legitimately for the title and wins it, the previous 'mandatory' baggage no longer applies.

Frankly, I can't understand how Mundine can defend this title unless against Geale, and if things can really work otherwise I'm more confused than usual!

[dominator]

Excellent post! Thing is this thread, this fight and this post should be happening in 2004. Not 2009. That's the whole problem right there!

Ditto!

[Dr Gonzo]

jesus h christ, what a joke

[stiflers mum]

im going to have to side with ashley and teke here.this fight wont happen as the man has bigger fish to fry as geale was just a stepping stone to the international scene.
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see the man himself said so.:deal

[the beaver]

There you go, Mundine has finally waived the white and chooses to fight on a domestic level until retirement.

Very Sad :-( :-( :-(

[doomeddisciple]

If people keep buying his fights then it will continue. What a joke.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

One of his quotes following his great triumph against Geale was 'now for world-wide domination'

(or certainly words to that effect)

...more a case of 'global dishonesty', so far FIGJAM Man!

[ashley]

I have been saying this for 1 year now....just expect Mundine to do enough to stay in the top 5 at MW.

He will wait around until a vacant world title shot comes along :deal

I thought he was OS looking at a fight with a top 8 to 15 rated fighter.....he still maybe doing that however a fight with Medley 25-3 looks par for the course.

[Francis75]

Yet another "joke" fight by Mundine. Medley is only average ability and has no business fighting at 160. I used to support Anthony when he started out boxing but he is a complete fraud. Fighting guys like Medley, Shannon Taylor, a washed up never any good Hamdan with the ability that Anthony has is beyond a joke. Why anyone buys his PPV is beyond me. There must be some complete mugs out there.

[IrnBruMan]

Anyone else noticed how the guys he's fighting now are the ones he used to refuse to fight because he was the moneyman and he refused to give them a big payday? :yep

Hamdan, Taylor, Geale, Medley :-(

Will he give Pittman a shot?

[jahobe]

Oh well.....it could have been worse :yep

Mundine VS Medley then winner takes on Geale is not so bad......is it :huh


nah after all the hype of takin on one of the big names i dont think it could be much worse. if this is correct, really dissapointing. again

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...a fight with Medley 25-3 looks par for the course.

'Par for the course' - interesting analogy Ash.

...brags about St Andrews and Augusta, but usually found playing off the ladies tees at the local mini-golf centre.

He's fast becoming Australia's number one anti-hero.

[ashley]

'Par for the course' - interesting analogy Ash.

...brags about St Andrews and Augusta, but usually found playing off the ladies tees at the local mini-golf centre.

He's fast becoming Australia's number one anti-hero.



Interesting analogy of Mundines opponents....Hamden, Soliman, Taylor, Geale and now Medley.....ladies tees.....mini golf :rofl......I know your upset that your favourite fighter is fighting these guys but thats no need to liken ladies tees to "salt of the earth" aussie boxing mate :yep

[the beaver]

Yet another "joke" fight by Mundine. Medley is only average ability and has no business fighting at 160. I used to support Anthony when he started out boxing but he is a complete fraud. Fighting guys like Medley, Shannon Taylor, a washed up never any good Hamdan with the ability that Anthony has is beyond a joke. Why anyone buys his PPV is beyond me. There must be some complete mugs out there.

me times 2 :good

[SexualPanda]

I get amused by some of the reactions on this board after this latest "mouth-watering" mega fight. Seriously did anyone even think for a micro-second that Mandy was ever going to step up??

Fighting another guy who has fought his entire career as a welterweight. Seems to be a common trend. Before Geale lets just take a look at his last 3 "quality" opponents:
- Taylor (blown up WW),
- Pintos (blown up WW)
- and the almighty crazy Kim (started career as WW).

That sure sounds like stepping up to me. . . . .

[Francis75]

I wonder what Anthony's dad thinks about these joke fights that Anthony and his manager persist with. Deep down he must be embarrassed with the charade.

[SexualPanda]

I wonder what Anthony's dad thinks about these joke fights that Anthony and his manager persist with. Deep down he must be embarrassed with the charade.

I think deep down inside both Anthony and his dad know that Mandy is completely past his best, and if he were to ever fight any top echelon fighter right now he would get spanked.

Sad ending to such a promising career. Had the world at his feat after Soliman 2, but pissed it all away choosing to take the path of milking the aussie public instead. Pity to see him end his career on the deplorable and pathetic domestic scene.

[ashley]

I think deep down inside both Anthony and his dad know that Mandy is completely past his best, and if he were to ever fight any top echelon fighter right now he would get spanked.

Sad ending to such a promising career. Had the world at his feat after Soliman 2, but pissed it all away choosing to take the path of milking the aussie public instead. Pity to see him end his career on the deplorable and pathetic domestic scene.

So what your saying is local aussie boxing is "deplorable and pathetic"?????:huh

[maco_187]

what a fuckin joke!! you know what i dont know why we talk about it anymore, no one buys his crap no more, no boxing fan actually thinks his great... everyone actually thinks of him as pea hearted so tell him grow a set of balls as he hasnt earnt anyones respect...

[Wrangler]

what a fuckin joke!! you know what i dont know why we talk about it anymore, no one buys his crap no more, no boxing fan actually thinks his great... everyone actually thinks of him as pea hearted so tell him grow a set of balls as he hasnt earnt anyones respect...

And yet, the forum is littered with Mundine threads. Whether we love him or loathe him, the fact of the matter is that posters here (myself included on this occasion) get sucked into the thread. From a boxing point of view, he may be well past his best, however, for some reason, he public (us in this case) continue to be fascinated by him.

[ashley]

what a fuckin joke!! you know what i dont know why we talk about it anymore, no one buys his crap no more, no boxing fan actually thinks his great... everyone actually thinks of him as pea hearted so tell him grow a set of balls as he hasnt earnt anyones respect...

I paid for Geale VS Mundine :deal

I will pay for Medley VS Mundine & Geale VS Lyle :amen

I will pay for Mundine VS Geale Feb 2010 and Contender final :partytime

I will pay for Mundine VS Contender winner :freddy

But I guess I am a nut hugger and the only person here that will buy these fights :blah


Oh well...its a party round my place PPV next 6 months for Brissy and gold coast fight fans :party

[MiracleMan]

I will not buy another one of his ppvs. 1 less sale.

[Watto]

Although Medley would be a good fight id really like to see him take on the bigger guys in the world scene,Geale deserves the chance to avenge the loss to Mundine,if you call it that,every time i think he has faught most in Aus you always get these names popping up..Time to make a name for yourself Mundine,go and fight world class..

[Watto]

I will not buy another one of his ppvs. 1 less sale.


Agreed......

[ranser]

Why does everybody here seem surprised.Mundine continues to attract interest from haters and nuthuggers, and keeps fighting nobodies..

[ashley]

Why does everybody here seem surprised.Mundine continues to attract interest from haters and nuthuggers, and keeps fighting nobodies..

:conf...take the challenge in the next thread and find out :yep

[goodnight]

however, for some reason, he public (us in this case) continue to be fascinated by him.


I'm just fascinated by the fact he still has fans that believe the drivel that emanates from his lips :dead

[sallywinder]

time for a petition to various organisations from disgruntled fans.

mundine is the worst liar ive ever seen from a muslim.




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[Phil Austin]

Confusing to say the least! The article begins with...

'Grange promoter Treacy is negotiating with Mundine’s manager Nasser for “The Man” to defend his IBO middleweight boxing world title against Robert Medley in Tasmania in October'.

Plainly, with the mandatory ordered by the IBO against Geale by Feb 27, Mundine cannot defend the title in October against Medley!

Could be wrong here, but it sounds like Mundine's mob are trying to con Geale's using the Tassie venue as the carrot, and then putting Medley before Geale in the pecking order.

Geale's mob would want the conditions for this thing set in stone! Better still tell them to bugger off!

What happens if Mundine is allowed to defend against Medley. Medley wins the title, and then doesn't want a part of Geale?

Mundine is free to defend against whomever he desires before the Geale deadline. A defence on this date is not out of the question at all

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Interesting analogy of Mundines opponents....Hamden, Soliman, Taylor, Geale and now Medley.....ladies tees.....mini golf :rofl......I know your upset that your favourite fighter is fighting these guys but thats no need to liken ladies tees to "salt of the earth" aussie boxing mate :yep

You're actually underestimating the intelligence of Hamden, Soliman, Taylor, Geale and Medley here Ash. These guys are local opportunists who had a crack against a guy of far greater ability - and they know that.

Did they think they had a chance of beating Mundine? Sure they did, because they are fighters! But if you think for a second that these guys don't realise Mundine just bludges off local nut-huggers who fund his local bully-boy career, you are kidding yourself?

[ashley]

You're actually underestimating the intelligence of Hamden, Soliman, Taylor, Geale and Medley here Ash. These guys are local opportunists who had a crack against a guy of far greater ability - and they know that.

Did they think they had a chance of beating Mundine? Sure they did, because they are fighters! But if you think for a second that these guys don't realise Mundine just bludges off local nut-huggers who fund his local bully-boy career, you are kidding yourself?

Mundine PPV base is 65% haters and 35% fans...if you think its any different then your kidding yourself :hey

[LeonMcS]

And you have the survey to back these figures up?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Mundine PPV base is 65% haters and 35% fans...if you think its any different then your kidding yourself :hey

Happy to say I'm in the 3rd category Ash. Neither a nut-hugger, nor someone silly enough to part with good money to watch mismatches.

If he ever decides to fight someone of note, and he's 34 and seems to be in no hurry to, I'll pay to watch it. Until then I'll laugh at those who beleive his b/s and fund his mismatches.

[ashley]

And you have the survey to back these figures up?

Smart ass.....I don't :nono

However I have been to 6 Mundine fights live at pubs and the crowd is normally 85% against.

One great example was against Mike Makata...I think....I was at the old transformers in Brisbane and the place was packed...maybe 800 people.

Mundine ko'ed mike in the 3rd and he was asleep before he hit the floor.

I jumped up cheering and saw that about 20 other people were doing the same....the place was empty 15 minutes later :lol:

Every time Mundine walks out he gets loads more boos than cheers.

What split do you think it is?

[04eta]

Mundine is free to defend against whomever he desires before the Geale deadline. A defence on this date is not out of the question at all

What would happen to the mandatory if Medley was to win? Would he have to defend against Geale by that date?

[Phil Austin]

Yes, Geale is mandatory and that will not change

[Phil Austin]

Interesting scenario though huh? :p

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Interesting scenario though huh? :p

Certainly is Phil.

Why would the mandatory date have been set so far into the future? Plainly both boxers are fit and ready to fight as they have both teed up other opposition.

Hopefully it'll all play out as it should with Geale meeting Mundine after their respective Tasmanian bouts, but a scenario where Mundine defends and then abandons is still an unecessary possibility IMO.

It would still give Geale a chance to fight for what would then be a vacant title, but also gives Mundine the chance to defend (and profit from) a title he won under controversial enough means for the IBO to call for the mandatory, and treat Geale with contempt in the process.

[ashley]

Certainly is Phil.

Why would the mandatory date have been set so far into the future? Plainly both boxers are fit and ready to fight as they have both teed up other opposition.

Hopefully it'll all play out as it should with Geale meeting Mundine after their respective Tasmanian bouts, but a scenario where Mundine defends and then abandons is still an unecessary possibility IMO.

It would still give Geale a chance to fight for what would then be a vacant title, but also gives Mundine the chance to defend (and profit from) a title he won under controversial enough means for the IBO to call for the mandatory, and treat Geale with contempt in the process.


Geales and Mundines team have a co promotion coming up if the story is true......this means Geale has agreed to the setup of fights and the dates.

You are the only won having a whinge about this......its not because of your Hate for Mundine is it?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Geales and Mundines team have a co promotion coming up if the story is true......this means Geale has agreed to the setup of fights and the dates.

You are the only won having a whinge about this......its not because of your Hate for Mundine is it?

Does entertaining the possibility of an agreement in boxing matchmaking turning sour = hating Mundine Ash?

My take on this one from the outset has been let the IBO govern their title. Not agreements based on self-interest that can end up being tomorrow's fish and chips wrapper.

[T.C.W]

fight bika, medley is a 154 fighter

[VIP]

Wow...I shouldn't be surprised by now. But what a let down this will be and a big "fuck you" to all his fans who thought he'd have stepped it up by now.

[AndrewFFC]

Do Mundines fights sell as PPV is Aus?

Why doesnt he take on a few more top level fighters.

[MiracleMan]

Do Mundines fights sell as PPV is Aus?

Why doesnt he take on a few more top level fighters.

I posted about this in the General forum. hes earning more than HBO cards combined. :patsch. Pay per view monopoly.

[AndrewFFC]

Bloody hell.


Basically he is a cash cow then.

[MiracleMan]

Bloody hell.


Basically he is a cash cow then.

Yes the same as Felix Sturm. They both make more than HBO entire purses for Middleweight and Light Heavyweight fights.

[VIP]

I posted about this in the General forum. hes earning more than HBO cards combined. :patsch. Pay per view monopoly.

Where did you get those numbers from? It's no wonder he's content fighting bum after bum, although claiming otherwise.

[Phil Austin]

Certainly is Phil.

Why would the mandatory date have been set so far into the future? Plainly both boxers are fit and ready to fight as they have both teed up other opposition.

Hopefully it'll all play out as it should with Geale meeting Mundine after their respective Tasmanian bouts, but a scenario where Mundine defends and then abandons is still an unecessary possibility IMO.

It would still give Geale a chance to fight for what would then be a vacant title, but also gives Mundine the chance to defend (and profit from) a title he won under controversial enough means for the IBO to call for the mandatory, and treat Geale with contempt in the process.

Because the IBO champion must make a defence every 9 months minimum, it was believed because of the nature of the fight that it was a close fight that could have gone either way that an immediate match was not called for, but due to the performance of Geale, he should not be looked over

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Because the IBO champion must make a defence every 9 months minimum, it was believed because of the nature of the fight that it was a close fight that could have gone either way that an immediate match was not called for, but due to the performance of Geale, he should not be looked over

Cheers Phil.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

VIP, Miracle Man, AndrewFFC - please see below:

The sole reason Mundine has been able to get away with his heavily padded career is that mindless gullibles continue to pay for his PPVs!

He’s able to generate enough income from this that he has no need to challenge himself on the world scale – even though he continues to promise the blind faithful world dominance – and amazingly they continue to believe it!

So if there's anyone to blame it's the absolute dills that continue to fund his bully-boy local career beating guys of only half his ability – not to mention the occassional cab driver import.

[ashley]

VIP, Miracle Man, AndrewFFC - please see below:

The sole reason Mundine has been able to get away with his heavily padded career is that mindless gullibles continue to pay for his PPVs!

He’s able to generate enough income from this that he has no need to challenge himself on the world scale – even though he continues to promise the blind faithful world dominance – and amazingly they continue to believe it!

So if there's anyone to blame it's the absolute dills that continue to fund his bully-boy local career beating guys of only half his ability – not to mention the occassional cab driver import.

Congratz mate you are now the number 1 Mundine hater on the forum :yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Congratz mate you are now the number 1 Mundine hater on the forum :yep

Do you remember the story from primary school of 'The Emperor's New Clothes' Ash?

After your post, I'm feeling just a bit like the boy in the story who wasn't blinded by the lies, and when he saw that the Emperor had no clothes, was confident to say so.

[ashley]

Do you remember the story from primary school of 'The Emperor's New Clothes' Ash?

After your post, I'm feeling just a bit like the boy in the story who wasn't blinded by the lies, and when he saw that the Emperor had no clothes, was confident to say so.


:stir...knew I would get a bite :yep

[Kegsy]

Because the IBO champion must make a defence every 9 months minimum, it was believed because of the nature of the fight that it was a close fight that could have gone either way that an immediate match was not called for, but due to the performance of Geale, he should not be looked over
How long was the gap between Geale's IBO title win against Ajetovic & his 1st defense against mundine....alot more than 9 months.:yep
McKinnon & MacKillop were both non title affairs over 10 rounds.

[Phil Austin]

Geale had not received a challenge within that time and they then asked for an extension due to injury to Geale. Be careful pal; I'll get Pat to tell me where you live! LOL

[Kegsy]

Geale had not received a challenge within that time and they then asked for an extension due to injury to Geale. Be careful pal; I'll get Pat to tell me where you live! LOL
:lol:
Pat's a good man would never wanna offend him & his lovechild Geale.:good

[Phil Austin]

well that won't offend him at all mate! LOL

[AndrewFFC]

VIP, Miracle Man, AndrewFFC - please see below:

The sole reason Mundine has been able to get away with his heavily padded career is that mindless gullibles continue to pay for his PPVs!

He’s able to generate enough income from this that he has no need to challenge himself on the world scale – even though he continues to promise the blind faithful world dominance – and amazingly they continue to believe it!

So if there's anyone to blame it's the absolute dills that continue to fund his bully-boy local career beating guys of only half his ability – not to mention the occassional cab driver import.

Im guessing he is marketed very well over there?

[ashley]

Im guessing he is marketed very well over there?

Mundines name draws the crowds....however 70% of the buyers want to see him get KTFO.

Maybe a bit like Mayweather or Khan.

I put it down to product placement not advertising :yep

[AndrewFFC]

No one really watches on Khan on pay per view though.

How much do Mundines PPV's retail at?

[boxoncottonon]

No one really watches on Khan on pay per view though.

How much do Mundines PPV's retail at?

$50AUD per show.
Usually an awful undercard made up of no name locals and hapless Thai fighters willing to stay off the canvass for not longer than 2 rounds.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

$50AUD per show.
Usually an awful undercard made up of no name locals and hapless Thai fighters willing to stay off the canvass for not longer than 2 rounds.

Fair to say it's questionable value for money AndrewFC.

The promotion part is largely based on Mundine making promises of world dominance etc.

[Dr Gonzo]

$50AUD per show.
Usually an awful undercard made up of no name locals and hapless Thai fighters willing to stay off the canvass for not longer than 2 rounds.

dont forget ex footy players and fijian cab drivers

[AndrewFFC]

Its Andrew FFC

Thats a pretty large amounts more then all our PPV's which go for 15 pounds.

surely as he hasnt fought anyone decent in about 10 fights people will see past the facade or is the news etc all going along with the gravy train?

[ashley]

Its Andrew FFC

Thats a pretty large amounts more then all our PPV's which go for 15 pounds.

surely as he hasnt fought anyone decent in about 10 fights people will see past the facade or is the news etc all going along with the gravy train?


But he's "the man" :yep

He used to run off at the mouth....way over the top.....however to an extent he has toned that down in the last 10 or so fights.

I think people love to hate him and they are paying money in the hope he will get KTFO again.

At one stage people thought he had a china chin...Ottke KO....and a few flash knock downs however he has stood up to some very hard hitters in Green and Kessler.

I dont think it matters who he fights next....it will do ok PPV numbers

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

The promise of 'world dominance' was actually after his last fight AndrewFFC. His self-promotion has all along been based on similar dribble.

[ashley]

The promise of 'world dominance' was actually after his last fight AndrewFFC. His self-promotion has all along been based on similar dribble.

Oh thats right....I forgot about the "world dominance" line :yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

The Fijian drums keep beating (very quietly mind you) for the huge potential match-up between Anthony Mundine and Joy (hope it's a guy!) Ali, in December!

The 30 year old Fijian Ali, full name Julfikar Joy Ali, has a 28 wins (23 KOs), 8 losses (6 KOs) and 6 draws record.

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[IrnBruMan]

The Fijian drums keep beating (very quietly mind you) for the huge potential match-up between Anthony Mundine and Joy (hope it's a guy!) Ali, in December!

The 30 year old Fijian Ali, full name Julfikar Joy Ali, has a 28 wins (23 KOs), 8 losses (6 KOs) and 6 draws record.

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:lol::lol::lol:

[one in a million]

:lol::lol::lol:

Whats so funny, is the fijian thing bullocks?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Whats so funny, is the fijian thing bullocks?

Mate, would the Fiji Times and Fiji's 'leading' boxing trainer lie??

[fast hands]

fight bika, medley is a 154 fighter


We didn't see much of Bika on HD1 in that disasterous matchup with Casanova. But Anthony would have seen enough to know he's going to avoid Sakio like the plague.
I've got more chance of winning lotto than this ever happening.

[the beaver]

Cash cow Mundine is now trying to rip off the cocunuts. Don't we currently have a Pacific nation summit with Rudd giving money to the islands to help with global warming.

[Francis75]

The Fijian drums keep beating (very quietly mind you) for the huge potential match-up between Anthony Mundine and Joy (hope it's a guy!) Ali, in December!

The 30 year old Fijian Ali, full name Julfikar Joy Ali, has a 28 wins (23 KOs), 8 losses (6 KOs) and 6 draws record.

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Sounds like a typical Mundine opponent actually. Get the bloke a passport, give him $20K worth of tickets to sell and get him over here for Choc to win a decision and tell us all that he is heading for world dominance. :roll:

[IrnBruMan]

Whats so funny, is the fijian thing bullocks?

No, it's actually quiet likely :lol:

[ashley]

No, it's actually quiet likely :lol:

Rob Medley is looking like a good fight all of a sudden :D

[one in a million]

There has got to be someone of similar ilk Mundine can fight outside of Australia :scaredas:

[THN]

Sounds like a typical Mundine opponent actually. Get the bloke a passport, give him $20K worth of tickets to sell and get him over here for Choc to win a decision and tell us all that he is heading for world dominance. :roll:

After fighting domestic fighters, he is now starting for world dominance, against a fighter from Fiji, oh well, maybe next he will fight a guy from Samoa, and so on, in due time ( when he reach the age of 80 years ) he will only be missing boxers from europe and USA to concur the world. :good

[LeonMcS]

Perhaps this guys next.

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[one in a million]

Why not Lucian?

[straight left]

Why not Lucian?

Medley may be good , but it also may be a walk in the park for the man. Medley was completley dominated by Hlatshwayo , Mundine is bigger and faster, but Medley has got a lot filling in he could do and he the two of them will be just as tall as each other. Will be very interesting.

[Dr Gonzo]

Perhaps this guys next.

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:rofl

best name ever

[Kegsy]

Medley would get smashed by Mundine IMO complete mismatch.

[MiracleMan]

Why not Lucian?

Mundines banking on an Andrade win. Let's wait!

[one in a million]

Medley may be good , but it also may be a walk in the park for the man. Medley was completley dominated by Hlatshwayo , Mundine is bigger and faster, but Medley has got a lot filling in he could do and he the two of them will be just as tall as each other. Will be very interesting.

I thought his next fight was out of Australia? You can't tell me that he cannot find one legit boxer to contest :bart or was his so called ring dominance shook up from Tassie boy Geale :deal

[LeonMcS]

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I was going through some discs last night and believe me, the name doesn't do him justice. His afro was bigger than Nordbergs in 'The Naked Gun'.

[one in a million]

I can't shake the word POOF out of my head :roll:

[one in a million]

Pansy

[one in a million]

Girls Skirt.

[ashley]

Medley may be good , but it also may be a walk in the park for the man. Medley was completley dominated by Hlatshwayo , Mundine is bigger and faster, but Medley has got a lot filling in he could do and he the two of them will be just as tall as each other. Will be very interesting.

Ar shit straight left...I was just about to change my avatar to that one :patsch

[one in a million]

Ar shit straight left...I was just about to change my avatar to that one :patsch

Why I like our S for Captain Squid.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I was going through some discs last night and believe me, the name doesn't do him justice. His afro was bigger than Nordbergs in 'The Naked Gun'.

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3 x Afro Savages

[Francis75]

Medley may be good , but it also may be a walk in the park for the man. Medley was completley dominated by Hlatshwayo , Mundine is bigger and faster, but Medley has got a lot filling in he could do and he the two of them will be just as tall as each other. Will be very interesting.

With all due respect, Medley is shit mate and Mundine is taking the piss AGAIN with this fight. Medley might look ok against Aussie journeymen and imported thai's with records of 8 wins 19 losses etc etc but he will be found out badly against a good boxer at 160. He was embarrassed by Hlatswayo twice at 147 and Hlatswayo is just considered fringe world top 10 at 147 and had just moved up from 135 previously.
Absolute joke of a fight and Mundine won't change.

[ashley]

Why I like our S for Captain Squid.

Well nothing stopping you from having that one :hey

[one in a million]

Well nothing stopping you from having that one :hey

There can only be one captain. Besides, I like my Aim High pic :D

[perfect jet]

Just out of interest, I heard Nasser made Sakio a very attractive offer to fight Mundine and Sakio knocked it back.

[ashley]

Just out of interest, I heard Nasser made Sakio a very attractive offer to fight Mundine and Sakio knocked it back.

The mundine haters wont like to hear that news mate :lol:

[Francis75]

Just out of interest, I heard Nasser made Sakio a very attractive offer to fight Mundine and Sakio knocked it back.

Yeah but what Nasser considers a very attractive offer and what actually is may be two completely different things.

[Above Deck]

Isaac Hlatshwayo is a very polished fighter, he was far
too classy for Medley - but Rob looks to have taken a lot
of improvement out of both fights, I noticed that Medleys
defence has improved a lot, he uses a shoulder roll defence
more thesedays.

Hlatshwayo went 12 rounds with Kendal Holt, who pushed
Tim Bradley to 12 in an even fight.

Mundine, although a larger man, wouldnt be on Hlatshwayos
level - IMO, I dont think Mundine comes anywhere close.

In saying all this, Medley did get fair schooled by Isaac, but
taking into consideration improvement - and Mundine possibly
been on the decline - I dont see it as a pushover for Mundine at all.

[Kegsy]

With all due respect, Medley is shit mate and Mundine is taking the piss AGAIN with this fight. Medley might look ok against Aussie journeymen and imported thai's with records of 8 wins 19 losses etc etc but he will be found out badly against a good boxer at 160. He was embarrassed by Hlatswayo twice at 147 and Hlatswayo is just considered fringe world top 10 at 147 and had just moved up from 135 previously.
Absolute joke of a fight and Mundine won't change.
Agree 100% mate.:good

[Francis75]

Isaac Hlatshwayo is a very polished fighter, he was far
too classy for Medley - but Rob looks to have taken a lot
of improvement out of both fights, I noticed that Medleys
defence has improved a lot, he uses a shoulder roll defence
more thesedays.

Hlatshwayo went 12 rounds with Kendal Holt, who pushed
Tim Bradley to 12 in an even fight.

Mundine, although a larger man, wouldnt be on Hlatshwayos
level - IMO, I dont think Mundine comes anywhere close.

In saying all this, Medley did get fair schooled by Isaac, but
taking into consideration improvement - and Mundine possibly
been on the decline - I dont see it as a pushover for Mundine at all.

C'mon mate. You must be on the wind up with this post. Ridiculous comment. Medley would struggle against Shannon Taylor at 160 if they ever fought.

[perfect jet]

The mundine haters wont like to hear that news mate :lol:

:lol:

I'm not a Mundine fan either. But it was probably worth noting in light of most people saying Mundine didn't make Sakio an offer. I heard it was a decent offer but then again, it may be off.

[perfect jet]

the fight offered was at middleweight...:deal

there ya go...

[ashley]

the fight offered was at middleweight...:deal

Mundine is a MW :rasta.....what weight did you think it was at :huh

[Sox]

Perhaps this guys next.

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Awesome name!

[Above Deck]

C'mon mate. You must be on the wind up with this post. Ridiculous comment. Medley would struggle against Shannon Taylor at 160 if they ever fought.

Providing Medley can keep things into check, whilst moving
up to 160, then I dont think Mundine beats him as easily
as he beat Taylor.

Robs a tall kid, you put some muscle on that frame in the
right way and we have a fight, yes its not as simple as that
I know, but all things considered - the formlines through Isaac are
at least promising, I rate Isaac very highly, he was tipped
to fight Hatton, before Ricky landed the Pac fight.

Going up in weight will to be tough for Medley, but he is
the right height for it, just needs to add some muscle.

I dont think this fight will happen, but if it does, im very
confident that Medley will give a good account of himself.

But, Id much rather see Mundine fight Bika, that fight
makes far more sense, its ridiculous that Mundine would
duck Bika - to fight Medley, but its a Mundine thing to do.

[one in a million]

I thought his next fight was out of Australia? You can't tell me that he cannot find one legit boxer to contest :bart or was his so called ring dominance shook up from Tassie boy Geale :deal

. Conditioned and ready, Geale enters the ring confident his technique and boxing experience will shake Mundine’s ring dominance.

[Francis75]

Providing Medley can keep things into check, whilst moving
up to 160, then I dont think Mundine beats him as easily
as he beat Taylor.

Robs a tall kid, you put some muscle on that frame in the
right way and we have a fight, yes its not as simple as that
I know, but all things considered - the formlines through Isaac are
at least promising, I rate Isaac very highly, he was tipped
to fight Hatton, before Ricky landed the Pac fight.

Going up in weight will to be tough for Medley, but he is
the right height for it, just needs to add some muscle.

I dont think this fight will happen, but if it does, im very
confident that Medley will give a good account of himself.

But, Id much rather see Mundine fight Bika, that fight
makes far more sense, its ridiculous that Mundine would
duck Bika - to fight Medley, but its a Mundine thing to do.

Fair enough mate if thats what you think, but i just don't see Medley doing much at all against Mundine at 160. In fact i would be quite shocked if Medley could win more than 2 out of 12 rds. Your right in that if Mundine doesn't look overseas for a credible opponent then he should be fighting Bika at a reasonable catchweight. I suspect that Mundine and his camp think that Bika would be too awkward and tough an opponent and might put a speed bump into Mundine's neverending dream of world dominance. For the record i would still pick a fading Mundine to win a decision over Bika at a reasonable catchweight but Mundine obviously doesn't fancy the job.

[ranser]

Fair enough mate if thats what you think, but i just don't see Medley doing much at all against Mundine at 160. In fact i would be quite shocked if Medley could win more than 2 out of 12 rds. Your right in that if Mundine doesn't look overseas for a credible opponent then he should be fighting Bika at a reasonable catchweight. I suspect that Mundine and his camp think that Bika would be too awkward and tough an opponent and might put a speed bump into Mundine's neverending dream of world dominance. For the record i would still pick a fading Mundine to win a decision over Bika at a reasonable catchweight but Mundine obviously doesn't fancy the job.


to be honest I think Mundine will lose against Bika..Bika hits pretty hard for Mundine's liking.

[ashley]

Dont agree ranser.........we all know Bikas got power, rough house tactics and a big punch....but that doesn't necessarily mean he can translate that into the ring vs Mundine.

Bika has KO'ed walk up fighters and fighters that trade in the zone however Mundine wont do that with Bika.

Bika failed to put away smaller guys like Soliman and McGary because they don't stand in the zone and the only reason he dropped Codrington was because of the toe to toe nature of the fight....Bika was almost gone as well a few times during that fight.

End of the day I would like to see Bika VS Mundine because its a big fight for AUST......however Mundine has the superior skills and Bikas wild style will be made to look far worse than it is by Mundine evasion and speedy attack.

And to top this all off he failed to KO Rico Chong Nee :D

[IrnBruMan]

Mundine no longer has the strength at MW, nor the stamina in general, to keep someone as strong as Bika off him for 12 rounds now.

That would be why he is ducking him and looking for easier options, like the Fijian ODLH.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Mundine no longer has the strength at MW, nor the stamina in general, to keep someone as strong as Bika off him for 12 rounds now...

Tend to agree IBM, but don't forget Bika is walking around a long way above middleweight at present and hasn't fought at middle for about 3 or 4 years.

If Bika stayed as strong as he is now at middleweight he'd beat Mundine - but the question is would he stay as strong, or at least strong enough to do the job?

[ashley]

Speed and evasion negates power and messes up timing.....Bika is wild and lacks timing when he has a guy planted solid in front of him.....he wont catch Mundine and Mundine wont trade like he did with Geale.

Bika will be drained at MW and will die in the ass trying to catch Mundine.

The fight wont be on as Bika wont go to MW and Mundine is happy at MW......SMW is blocked out.

Anyway Bika is at LHW anyway.....I don't think the fight will get made

[MiracleMan]

If the Mundine vs Bika fight did happen. It would be better for Mundine to fight at 168. I think hes under rated in 168. Hes very tough. Obviously so is Bika. But it would be a wide points decision to Mundine, or Bika would come back similar to Bute vs Andrade. Either way there is a lot of money in the fight. Maybe the weight difference was a factor. Mundine moving straight back up to 168, is as stupid as fighting at 160 for a title in his first fight at the weight (he took tune ups).

[Francis75]

I would much rather see Mundine V Bika at 168 than Mundine V Geale again at 160. Mundine is simply better suited to 168 and Geale's performance was great, he fought out of his skin but i doubt he could do the same in a rematch.

[ashley]

I would much rather see Mundine V Bika at 168 than Mundine V Geale again at 160. Mundine is simply better suited to 168 and Geale's performance was great, he fought out of his skin but i doubt he could do the same in a rematch.

Tend to agree :admin:rofl

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I would much rather see Mundine V Bika at 168 than Mundine V Geale again at 160. Mundine is simply better suited to 168 and Geale's performance was great, he fought out of his skin but i doubt he could do the same in a rematch.

Agree with the first part Francis but not so sure about the second.

Geale performed very well first time around, no question. So well in fact that 1 of the 3 judges had him the winner on the night, and 2 of the 3 judges who reviewed the decision had him the winner. Conclusion = very close fight.

Geale is young, improving and appears hungry for success. To be brutally frank neither of those three apply to Mundine, at least not in the same measures.

If Geale and Mundine were to meet in say 5 or 6 months time I see no good reason why Geale couldn't win. Certainly don't see Mundine KOing Geale, and if it's a matter of who does more it's pointing more towards Geale IMO.

[one in a million]

Why not Lucian?

What do you think Teke?

[MiracleMan]

So Lyell has turned down Geale. Jack Leow must really hate Aussies.

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[COULDHAVEBEEN]

As posted a few days ago in a different thread:

Commercially I think Mundine's management are crazy! The public interest is there right now for the mandatory rematch with Geale.

If the Green vs RJJ thing comes off it'll put everything else in the background for sometime, and by next year most fringe fight fans will have forgotten the great battle that was Geale v Mundine I.

So why put off the inevitable with a career padding tune-up fight each that they are struggling to get opponents for?

(Lyell wasn't going to be a push-over for Geale - but let's see who he ends up in with, and Mundine vs Medley promises to be less than an epic)

Get the real deal made now and get on with it!

[ashley]

As posted a few days ago in a different thread:

Commercially I think Mundine's management are crazy! The public interest is there right now for the mandatory rematch with Geale.

If the Green vs RJJ thing comes off it'll put everything else in the background for sometime, and by next year most fringe fight fans will have forgotten the great battle that was Geale v Mundine I.

So why put off the inevitable with a career padding tune-up fight each that they are struggling to get opponents for?

(Lyell wasn't going to be a push-over for Geale - but let's see who he ends up in with, and Mundine vs Medley promises to be less than an epic)

Get the real deal made now and get on with it!

Look at Green VS Mundine mate....years in the making....I think the more this fight is put off the better....needs more drama and shit-fighting before its time again.....I think early to mid next year is fine.

[Sox]

Yeah but what Nasser considers a very attractive offer and what actually is may be two completely different things.
And at what weight, Bika won't fight him at middle.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Look at Green VS Mundine mate....years in the making....I think the more this fight is put off the better....needs more drama and shit-fighting before its time again.....I think early to mid next year is fine.

The only likelyhood that these two will meet again is over this IBO title - which means a pre Feb 2010 deadline.

Some may still be interested by then, but Joe average, who makes up the major percentage of any walk-up attendance or PPV, may well have gone cold on the idea post Green v RJJ.

Striking while the iron's hot usually makes good business sense.

[ashley]

The only likelyhood that these two will meet again is over this IBO title - which means a pre Feb 2010 deadline.

Some may still be interested by then, but Joe average, who makes up the major percentage of any walk-up attendance or PPV, may well have gone cold on the idea post Green v RJJ.

Striking while the iron's hot usually makes good business sense.

The only way Mundine gets an extension on the Feb date is if Mundine and Geale do a co promotion in Tazzie similar to what has been proposed.....However he may also get an extension if he licks his contact lens again :yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

The only way Mundine gets an extension on the Feb date is if Mundine and Geale do a co promotion in Tazzie similar to what has been proposed.....However he may also get an extension if he licks his contact lens again :yep

Probably the older the version of Mundine that's served up the better from Geale's point of view!

But hey, if they want to maximise the money out of this thing, now's the time. Do it while the interest is there!

[RafaelGonzal]

How does he do it! racking in the cash in these bullshit fights, what a fraud. A local Phenomenon, its incredible this ass wipe even has a career.

[SexualPanda]

How does he do it! racking in the cash in these bullshit fights, what a fraud. A local Phenomenon, its incredible this ass wipe even has a career.

Simple. Cos the average idiot in Australia has no idea between a Kelly Pavlik and a Rico Chong Nee or a Crazy Kim. To put it simply, boxing in Australia is insignificant compared to other sports, this is the perfect place to milk a career for all it's worth. I think the aussie media are partly to blame too. The only thing dumber than the average pub idiot/bogan is the braindead journalists who simply know nothing when it comes to boxing knowledge. In fact I would say the majority of posters on ESB would know more than those morons.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Simple. Cos the average idiot in Australia has no idea between a Kelly Pavlik and a Rico Chong Nee or a Crazy Kim. To put it simply, boxing in Australia is insignificant compared to other sports, this is the perfect place to milk a career for all it's worth. I think the aussie media are partly to blame too. The only thing dumber than the average pub idiot/bogan is the braindead journalists who simply know nothing when it comes to boxing knowledge. In fact I would say the majority of posters on ESB would know more than those morons.

Harsh, but not far off the mark.

[Kegsy]

He hit the nail on the head..spot on by mr panda

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Whats so funny, is the fijian thing bullocks?

Here's a picture of Fijian Joy Ali (LHS in picture below), the man the Fiji Times have been talking up as a Mundine opponent:

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Ali is about to fight Jo Naleca for the prestigious (vacant) Fiji Boxing Commission light middleweight title.

[IrnBruMan]

Here's a picture of Fijian Joy Ali (LHS in picture below), the man the Fiji Times have been talking up as a Mundine opponent:

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Ali fights Jo Naleca for the vacant Fiji Boxing Commission light middleweight title and he has a lot of respect for the Naitasiri farmer, who comes into the fight with a seven-win (six by knockout), three loss and one draw record.

Fijian De la Hoya!!!

[roscoe]

Agree 100% panda.

[boxoncottonon]

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Ali is about to fight Jo Naleca for the prestigious (vacant) Fiji Boxing Commission light middleweight title.

"The letter says he was suspended 'due to his continuous interference with sanctioned Boxing Commission of Fiji promoter, namely Prasad's Main Event Promotions, and ongoing inaccurate press releases to media outlets without notification and approval of the Boxing Commission of Fiji despite repeated caution.

Among top fights he is negotiating is a Joy Ali-Tony Mundine world title showdown in December."


Mmmmmm........."ongoing inaccurate press releases to media".....

Soooo....December is it....anyone told T.Mundine??? :patsch

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Mark it down in the diary Boxon...will never happen mate...at least I hope not!

[11player]

At this stage of his career, there is no point in wasting time with tune up fights when you have good options available.

Mundine gotta go After Sturm and Pavlik, if that doesn't work out then he has Bika, Green and Geale as good options.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

At this stage of his career, there is no point in wasting time with tune up fights when you have good options available.

Mundine gotta go After Sturm and Pavlik, if that doesn't work out then he has Bika, Green and Geale as good options.

Hard to argue with your logic 11PLAYER. But his record suggests he'll head sideways or down, in preference to up.

[doomeddisciple]

As long as suckers keep buying his PPV rubbish he's not got the bottle to go back overseas for tough fights.

Pavlik would mentally murder Mundine.

[MiracleMan]

As long as suckers keep buying his PPV rubbish he's not got the bottle to go back overseas for tough fights.

Pavlik would mentally murder Mundine.

I wouldnt look to far into his next opponent until its announced. I have serious doubts that its someone whos bad. If the Medley fight was finalized his camp would have made a lot of fuss over it. As they did with the Geale fight. And Mundine probably wants to get the attention away from Green who will steal it with his US fight.

Expect Mundine to announce his opponent on sunday or monday. :lol:

[ashley]

I wouldnt look to far into his next opponent until its announced. I have serious doubts that its someone whos bad. If the Medley fight was finalized his camp would have made a lot of fuss over it. As they did with the Geale fight. And Mundine probably wants to get the attention away from Green who will steal it with his US fight.

Expect Mundine to announce his opponent on sunday or monday. :lol:

Friday or Saturday for mine mate :good

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I wouldnt look to far into his next opponent until its announced. I have serious doubts that its someone whos bad. If the Medley fight was finalized his camp would have made a lot of fuss over it. As they did with the Geale fight. And Mundine probably wants to get the attention away from Green who will steal it with his US fight.

Expect Mundine to announce his opponent on sunday or monday. :lol:

Green's going in against someone who's never contested a title, for a vacant title, followed in all likelyhood, by a challenge from an arguably washed up legend. However, whether it's friday, sat, sun or monday; if it's another 'tune-up' fight announcement from Mundine it won't put a dint in Green's current promo campaigne.

[IrnBruMan]

Green's going in against someone who's never contested a title, for a vacant title, followed in all likelyhood, by a challenge from an arguably washed up legend. However, whether it's friday, sat, sun or monday; if it's another 'tune-up' fight announcement from Mundine it won't put a dint in Green's current promo campaigne.

True that, Green's getting good publicity for this fight - there's an article in today's paper with a photo of Green and Roy arm in arm, saying Green had asked Roy to call Jarryd Hayne up and speak to him, etc.

Green's got crossover appeal - boxing and NRL (via the Eels) :yep:lol:

Mundine will have to announce a Pavlik or Sturm or keep his big dumb mouth shut the fuck up

[ashley]

True that, Green's getting good publicity for this fight - there's an article in today's paper with a photo of Green and Roy arm in arm, saying Green had asked Roy to call Jarryd Hayne up and speak to him, etc.

Green's got crossover appeal - boxing and NRL (via the Eels) :yep:lol:

Mundine will have to announce a Pavlik or Sturm or keep his big dumb mouth shut the fuck up

Itwont be Pavlik mate as his fight with Williams looks made.

Sturms has management issues so that fight looks cold as well.

Best hope is Wright or Manfredo on the undercard of a US fight.....other than that I dont think he will say anything for weeks.

[doomeddisciple]

I wouldnt look to far into his next opponent until its announced. I have serious doubts that its someone whos bad. If the Medley fight was finalized his camp would have made a lot of fuss over it. As they did with the Geale fight. And Mundine probably wants to get the attention away from Green who will steal it with his US fight.

Expect Mundine to announce his opponent on sunday or monday. :lol:


Ha ha - Yeah - I would say Saturday so he can steal Green's thunder a bit.

Anthony has an opportunity to go one better than his dad and fight for a legit 160 pound title and win one.

If he fights Medley, then it's more or less just a repeat of his Rugby Career where he tells everyone he was the best, but couldn't crack that representitive level.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Ha ha - Yeah - I would say Saturday so he can steal Green's thunder a bit.

Anthony has an opportunity to go one better than his dad and fight for a legit 160 pound title and win one...If he fights Medley, then it's more or less just a repeat of his Rugby Career where he tells everyone he was the best, but couldn't crack that representitive level.

Looking forward to seeing him try to steal Green's thunder at the moment!

If it's anything less than a top shelf opponent announced it'll be a case of 'who cares? We're interested in Green at present - IBO title, RJJ and all that'.

If team Mundine were smart they'd announce Geale - they're going to have to face him soon enough anyway - might as well make a buck out of it while the first bout is still in people's memory.

Perhaps they'll remain silent and hope that Green loses...

...that would probably bring Green v Mundine II forward, and an easy $$$ day for both camps!

[MiracleMan]

Looking forward to seeing him try to steal Green's thunder at the moment!

If it's anything less than a top shelf opponent announced it'll be a case of 'who cares? We're interested in Green at present - IBO title, RJJ and all that'.

If team Mundine were smart they'd announce Geale - they're going to have to face him soon enough anyway - might as well make a buck out of it while the first bout is still in people's memory.

Perhaps they'll remain silent and hope that Green loses...

...that would probably bring Green v Mundine II forward, and an easy $$$ day for both camps!

My Moneys On Mr Manfredo.

[IrnBruMan]

Itwont be Pavlik mate as his fight with Williams looks made.

Sturms has management issues so that fight looks cold as well.

Best hope is Wright or Manfredo on the undercard of a US fight.....other than that I dont think he will say anything for weeks.

Mundine will never fight on an undercard, never mind a US one.

[IrnBruMan]

If he fights Medley, then it's more or less just a repeat of his Rugby Career where he tells everyone he was the best, but couldn't crack that representitive level.

Yep, it's a repeat of his Rugby League career as well as the last 9 years of his boxing career.

Oops, he's only been boxing for 9 years!

:lol:

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

My Moneys On Mr Manfredo.

Manfredo is a reasonable fit MM.

Especially now that Pavik's gone for Williams instead, and it's about 4 months since Manfredo's last hit out.

The fact that Bika stopped Manfredo early won't be lost of team Mundine either.

[KO Boxing]

Mundine will never fight on an undercard, never mind a US one.
Didn't he fight on a Lucas undercard in Canada - against Pompey?

I agree he'd never fight on an Aussie undercard, but I think there is a greater chance of him fighting on the undercard if it was in another country, such as the US (where he almost certainly NOT be the draw, unlike here in Australia)

BTW, in reply to a post above, I don't think very many people are interested in EITHER Green or Mundine at this stage. Both are pulling the "same ole crap". There's your typical uneducated boxing fans that still buy into their crap though.

I ain't buying either of them, although I'll still support both of em (Mundine more so, but that's just a preference).

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Interesting thoughts KO.

As above - Green's going in against someone who's never contested a title, for a vacant title, followed by a match-up with a very-close-to-washed-up legend.

Meanwhile, Mundine continues with 'tune-up' fights as a lead-up to future 'tune-up' fights.

Green is therefore more in the spotlight at the present time - but not really tricking too many of us in the process.

[MiracleMan]

Manfredo is a reasonable fit MM.

Especially now that Pavik's gone for Williams instead, and it's about 4 months since Manfredo's last hit out.

The fact that Bika stopped Manfredo early won't be lost of team Mundine either.

I remember reading on espn that Khoder offered him a fight but he wanted double the money. The reason i think it will be Manfredo is. Because Manfredo is currently short on money and working at an rsl in providence. So he will be cheap. And he does bring US recognition in some way. Wouldn't it be refreshing to see Manfredo vs Mundine on the undercard of Mayweather vs Marquez.

[ashley]

I remember reading on espn that Khoder offered him a fight but he wanted double the money. The reason i think it will be Manfredo is. Because Manfredo is currently short on money and working at an rsl in providence. So he will be cheap. And he does bring US recognition in some way. Wouldn't it be refreshing to see Manfredo vs Mundine on the undercard of Mayweather vs Marquez.

Or on the under card of Pavlik/ Williams :yep

[ashley]

Meanwhile, Mundine continues with 'tune-up' fights as a lead-up to future 'tune-up' fights.

.

That's a bit harsh....are you calling Geale a tune up fight :huh

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

That's a bit harsh....are you calling Geale a tune up fight :huh

Geale's one of Mundine's very few non 'tune up fights' of late.

...and because of that he's a guy 'ol Anth's not in hurry to get in with again any time soon!

[MiracleMan]

Or on the under card of Pavlik/ Williams :yep

Now we are talking. Fingers crossed.

[dominator]

That's a bit harsh....are you calling Geale a tune up fight :huh

That's true, it's Mundine's most recent fight!

If Geale wasn't an Aussie, Mundine would certainly be getting more credit for taking on Geale given he was undefeated at the time and the IBO champ.

[nomas]

I agree 100%

[Fat Tony]

That's true, it's Mundine's most recent fight!

If Geale wasn't an Aussie, Mundine would certainly be getting more credit for taking on Geale given he was undefeated at the time and the IBO champ.

Nobody, absolutely nobody cares about the IBO belt outside of Australia.

[MiracleMan]

Nobody, absolutely nobody cares about the IBO belt outside of Australia.

Id rather have 2 top 10 MW's fight for a belt. Rather than have Abraham win a vacant belt against a top 15 Middleweight, or top 20? And Look whos fighting for the new vacant IBF belt in Germany. Two guys outside the top 10 in the division. :patsch:lol:

[dominator]

Nobody, absolutely nobody cares about the IBO belt outside of Australia.

The IBO is a reasonable belt although not a top flight world title.

I just hate how the IBO has all these vacant title fights, they are kinda meaningless. Mundine v Geale was against two legit top 10 middleweights, with a current champion in place.

The value of the belt is determined by the calibre of the fighters in the ring fighting for the belt.

Therefore imo as MiracleMan aludes to, the IBO Mundine - Geale fight is arguably more meaningful than the Sylvester - Lorenzo fight for the IBF title, which can pose the argument that the IBO champion is ranked above the IBF champion in the middleweight division.

[ashley]

Nobody, absolutely nobody cares about the IBO belt outside of Australia.


:rofl....that's why RJJ is talking about coming down to Australia later in the year to fight Green for the IBO belt....oh and the mega fight not long ago for the IBO belt between Hatton and Pac man :lol:....I could name some other huge players on the world scene but I am sure you realise your mistake :D

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

This man Joy Ali won't rest til he takes on and beats Anthony Mundine:

"I will show what I will do when I take on Mundine later this year," Ali said. "I'm very confident that after this fight I will have another warm-up fight before I take on Mundine."

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Be very afraid!!

[ashley]

This man Joy Ali won't rest til he takes on and beats Anthony Mundine:

"I will show what I will do when I take on Mundine later this year," Ali said. "I'm very confident that after this fight I will have another warm-up fight before I take on Mundine."

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Be very afraid!!

This is a sick joke.....no way Mundine fights this guy :deal

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Ali's listed as an orthodox fighter but must be a switch-hitter from his stance in the picture - potentially a very dangerous opponent.

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[ashley]

Ali's listed as an orthodox fighter but must be a switch-hitter from his stance in the picture - potentially a very dangerous opponent.

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Please God......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hes not even a MW :patsch......and not even in the top 100 LM :admin

Oh and Crazy Kim KO'ed him......cant be true :-(

[Phil Austin]

Never even heard his name mentioned.....

[MiracleMan]

Never even heard his name mentioned.....

Yeh the bloke is notorious for throwing fighters names out there when he hasn't even contacted them. They had that in the Fiji times.

Phil, can you share with us who Mundines next opponent will be? Or give us some hints, a bunch of names?

[boxoncottonon]

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Joy Ali must be excited at the prospect of fighting Mundine.....He has got a massive hard on in this pic!!!

[T.C.W]

I hope the bika fight happens.

[ashley]

Joy Ali must be excited at the prospect of fighting Mundine.....He has got a massive hard on in this pic!!!

Trust you to be looking down there.......however I am surprised that Leon failed to pick it up first :yep

[LeonMcS]

I struggle to pick mine up, with the excessive weight of it and all.

[Phil Austin]

Yeh the bloke is notorious for throwing fighters names out there when he hasn't even contacted them. They had that in the Fiji times.

Phil, can you share with us who Mundines next opponent will be? Or give us some hints, a bunch of names?

Absolutely - as soon as the cash starts hitting my account the 3 names mentioned will be posted

[ashley]

Absolutely - as soon as the cash starts hitting my account the 3 names mentioned will be posted


I got $5 and a few cans of beer left.....is that enough :conf

[Phil Austin]

considering I don't drink that seems like the deal of the facking century

[ashley]

considering I don't drink that seems like the deal of the facking century

Well I promise to throw an extra snag on the BBQ if you can get your slack ass down for the next fight day......or don't you eat either :yep

[Phil Austin]

take a look at me - it's obvious I eat! The only thing that stopped me being there was the Soliman gig, catch ya at the next one!

[daz52]

Hey Phil just out of interest if you dont mind me asking...

How much are sanctioning bodies (obviously you would know most about the IBO) involved in negotiations when one of their belts are up in a fight (mainly the world titles)

Take Mundine or Lovemores next fight for example. Does the IBO insist that the champ keeps them informed of every step as in who they are looking at and how negotiations are coming along? Do they say just tell us the name when its all sorted out as long as it meets our criteria (such as the fighter is Top 15, 50, 100 whatever) we wont object?

[ashley]

take a look at me - it's obvious I eat! The only thing that stopped me being there was the Soliman gig, catch ya at the next one!

Now on the 3 fighters names mentioned......if I get 1 right will you tell me the others?

[ashley]

take a look at me - it's obvious I eat! The only thing that stopped me being there was the Soliman gig, catch ya at the next one!

Gone a bit quiet mate....everything ok?

On the Soliman fight....the jury is still out as to if you were there :huh

Flamengo said he met a guy saying he was Phil Austin...and he said he was a nice guy......very inteligent.....quite funny....and very knowlegable about boxing.

Looks like on all acounts it wasent you :yep

[MiracleMan]

Absolutely - as soon as the cash starts hitting my account the 3 names mentioned will be posted

Let Me Guess - Peter Manfredo

Winky Wright

Rob Medley

[Phil Austin]

no, no and no - Stu Duncan is on it and it is a shortlist of 3 US fighters

[MiracleMan]

no, no and no - stu duncan is on it and it is a shortlist of 3 us fighters

Watch how excited Ash gets.

[ashley]

no, no and no - Stu Duncan is on it and it is a shortlist of 3 US fighters

:admin:hammertime:partytime:freddy:party:banana:mj:cheers:woot

[IrnBruMan]

no, no and no - Stu Duncan is on it and it is a shortlist of 3 US fighters

Okay, so we know that it won't be Manfredo, Wright or Medley, or Bika, or the Geale rematch, since it's a shortlist of US fighters.

Just looking at Boxrec's MW rankings, the only US or US-based fighters in their top 25 are:

Pavlik - fighting Paul Williams in November
Wright - Phil says it's not Wright
Enrique Ornelas
Roman Karmazin
Giovanni Lorenzo - fighting Sebastien Sylvester in September
Daniel Jacobs - fighting Ishe Smith next week
Andy Lee - fighting Anthony Schuler next week
Craig McEwan

Is it safe to assume the shortlist will comprise of anyone from the top 25 MW's in the world, or will Mundine stay true to form and look for a minor organisation to elevate some poor sucker up their rankings so he qualifies for a fight against Mundine? Just sayen :yep

[MiracleMan]

Okay, so we know that it won't be Manfredo, Wright or Medley, or Bika, or the Geale rematch, since it's a shortlist of US fighters.

Just looking at Boxrec's MW rankings, the only US or US-based fighters in their top 25 are:

Pavlik - fighting Paul Williams in November
Wright - Phil says it's not Wright
Enrique Ornelas
Roman Karmazin
Giovanni Lorenzo - fighting Sebastien Sylvester in September
Daniel Jacobs - fighting Ishe Smith next week
Andy Lee - fighting Anthony Schuler next week
Craig McEwan

Is it safe to assume the shortlist will comprise of anyone from the top 25 MW's in the world, or will Mundine stay true to form and look for a minor organisation to elevate some poor sucker up their rankings so he qualifies for a fight against Mundine? Just sayen :yep

Im looking further into my crystal ball and i think Phil might get a fright over these names.

1) Miguel Espino
2) Sergio Mora
3) Karmazin

:lol:

[Kegsy]

A Miguel Espino type is the likely scenario.

[Phil Austin]

Hey Phil just out of interest if you dont mind me asking...

How much are sanctioning bodies (obviously you would know most about the IBO) involved in negotiations when one of their belts are up in a fight (mainly the world titles)

Take Mundine or Lovemores next fight for example. Does the IBO insist that the champ keeps them informed of every step as in who they are looking at and how negotiations are coming along? Do they say just tell us the name when its all sorted out as long as it meets our criteria (such as the fighter is Top 15, 50, 100 whatever) we wont object?

I will talk only about what we do - I think that is safest. Normally I work in consultation with promoters who will enquire as to whether or not such and such is acceptable without standing over them or insisting that they fight anyone unless a mandatory has been placed under exceptional circumstances

[Francis75]

QUESTION FOR PHIL AUSTIN -

Phil as you are an insider with the IBO can you please explain how Danny Green and that Dominguez character were able to fight for the vacant IBO cruiser title. How high in the IBO rankings do you have to be to qualify to fight for a vacant title ? If both fighters were deemed to be ranked high enough then how did this come about with what they had done previously at cruiserweight ?

[Kegsy]

QUESTION FOR PHIL AUSTIN -

Phil as you are an insider with the IBO can you please explain how Danny Green and that Dominguez character were able to fight for the vacant IBO cruiser title. How high in the IBO rankings do you have to be to qualify to fight for a vacant title ? If both fighters were deemed to be ranked high enough then how did this come about with what they had done previously at cruiserweight ?
As far as im aware Dominguez wasnt even ranked inside the top 50 was he Phil??:yep

[MiracleMan]

As far as im aware Dominguez wasnt even ranked inside the top 50 was he Phil??:yep

I checked it last week and he was ranked in the 60's. From what i understood he only had to be ranked in the top 100.

[MiracleMan]

Okay, so we know that it won't be Manfredo, Wright or Medley, or Bika, or the Geale rematch, since it's a shortlist of US fighters.

Just looking at Boxrec's MW rankings, the only US or US-based fighters in their top 25 are:

Pavlik - fighting Paul Williams in November
Wright - Phil says it's not Wright
Enrique Ornelas
Roman Karmazin
Giovanni Lorenzo - fighting Sebastien Sylvester in September
Daniel Jacobs - fighting Ishe Smith next week
Andy Lee - fighting Anthony Schuler next week
Craig McEwan

Is it safe to assume the shortlist will comprise of anyone from the top 25 MW's in the world, or will Mundine stay true to form and look for a minor organisation to elevate some poor sucker up their rankings so he qualifies for a fight against Mundine? Just sayen :yep

That fights now off. Williams will be fighting someone else on October 3.

[Kegsy]

That fights now off. Williams will be fighting someone else on October 3.
Yeah its TBA...Williams may even wait around until Dec 5th for Pavlik...time will tell.

[Phil Austin]

I'l' get your address of Pat Kegsy! LOL

Francis, I have answered this question before, but I'll go again.

When you move divisions you lose 25% of your points, in this case cruiser is not as strong as light-heavy. Green lost 25% of his points but actually had a higher rating at 200. Dominguez was granted his exemption as he still qualified and a victory over Green would have had him sitting high in the divvy. Both their previous bouts had been at Cruiser so they had experience at the weight.

Was it the perfect scneario for a vacant title? No, I'll be honest about that, also like any other organisation it's a business and we require income to continue, no-one else had put forward an application and the result of the bout would see us with a strong champion as per the Top-100.

You can put down the IBO as much as you like but the fact of the matter is we are getting stronger all the time and have several big-name champions now. If you look accross the other "top 4" orgs, you will find strong champs and weak champs and we are no different. It's been a tougher struggle than we had anticipated but many seem keen to kick us because of how long we have been around - the biggest misconception seems to be longevity equates to legitimacy and nothing could be further than the truth. We are consistently increasing our reputation as being an organisation the fighters love to deal with and fighters like Jones, Tarver, Lewis, Hatton, Klitschko and Dawson are advocates for the organisation for the dealings they have had. As has been accurately posted by others earlier, the strength of the title is as good as the fighter holding it and we have come a long way. Remember several fighters have ditched more established titles to compete for ours or concentrate on ours such as Hatton, Malinaggi and Dawson who has given away WBC and IBF titles. Are other organisations more "legitimate"? I sometimes find it bemusing that people run down what we are trying to do and then get stuck into other organisations at other times. The WBA has 30-odd champions in 17 divisions: how legitimate is that for pete's sake?

It doesn't always work out all the time and mistakes are made and some necessary business decisions have to be made and carried out. We will keep going as there certainly seems to be light at the end of the tunnel. We won't be everyones cup of tea I understand that and appreciate that, but Green V Dominguez is not the worst fight for a vacant title (or title defence for that matter) that I have ever seen from some of the bigger boys

[Kegsy]

I checked it last week and he was ranked in the 60's. From what i understood he only had to be ranked in the top 100.
My understanding from many sources was he had to be within the IBO Top 50....mehh its a paper title nonetheless.

[Kegsy]

I'l' get your address of Pat Kegsy! LOL
:lol:
Sorry Phil...i no too much.:yep

[Phil Austin]

No - you think you do Kegsy. Most of what you hear is supposition from others and info that has filtered down 3rd, sometimes 4th hand. Hardly the gospel IMO

[Kegsy]

No - you think you do Kegsy. Most of what you hear is supposition from others and info that has filtered down 3rd, sometimes 4th hand. Hardly the gospel IMO
:lol:
I can see it frustrates you some of the stuff me & a couple others on here (perfect jet comes to mind) know about with the IBO & some of its policies, & how these seem to be often bent to suit particular individuals.
IMO all the sanctioning bodies are the same...they all make some good...but also some shocking decisions which IMO Green vs Dominguez was.

[Phil Austin]

I think you are flattering yourself there more than a little Kegsy, but that's fine. Read over what I posted before I think I was quite honest about the fight - is it the worst fight for a vacant world title ever? Shit no - Mark Breland V Lee certainly springs to mind. Why would I be frustrated about people knowing the rules and regs? We are the only true Muhammed Ali Act compliant body there is and all facts are there if you want them. Having a full grasp of the rules rather than those that suit would help

[Francis75]

Thanks for the explanation Phil regarding the IBO. Your correct in that the IBO has gained much more respect in recent years. I agree with you on this and also agree that the other organisations are really no better, some people just think they are better because they have been around for longer. I just think it is wrong that Green and Dominguez fought for the vacant title. You have stated that no other applications came through from other fighters to contest the vacant title. Does that not indicate that Green and Dominguez's people have then "bought" the title by putting in an application when there were surely a fair few fighters ahead of them in the rankings. Where these higher ranked fighters contacted by the IBO to try and make a better/more relevant fight for the vacant title ? Surely the IBO would want the best possible champion to represent their organisation. I realise the organisation is a business and has to make money but do you expect us to believe that none of the higher ranked fighters at 200 had any interest in fighting for the title ? The reason the boxing organisations have a black eye is because things like this occurr. I realise you are in a tough position to comment but Green fighting Dominguez for the vacant IBO 200 title was a farce really and cheapens the idea of a world title. This then causes the stain on boxing when fighters with the skill/ability of Danny Green/Anthony Mundine etc etc can then call themselves 3 weight 3 times world champion. It doesn't look good does it ?

[ashley]

My pix are these guys......

Pavlik
Enrique Ornelas
Roman Karmazin


Now the Pavlik fight is off could Mundine get this fight late November or December :admin

[Phil Austin]

Hi Francis
Thanks for your feedback which is most thought-provoking. At the end of the day, no other dates had been forthcoming and we prefer wherever possible not to play match-maker - this has been done by other orgs far too often and has resulted in some horrendous "mandatories" foisted upon the public. I agree it's not a perfect fight - few are but we now have a strong champion who rates very highly within our Top-100 system.

You raise some good points on the state of boxing and I will be passing these comments along

[Francis75]

Hi Francis
Thanks for your feedback which is most thought-provoking. At the end of the day, no other dates had been forthcoming and we prefer wherever possible not to play match-maker - this has been done by other orgs far too often and has resulted in some horrendous "mandatories" foisted upon the public. I agree it's not a perfect fight - few are but we now have a strong champion who rates very highly within our Top-100 system.

You raise some good points on the state of boxing and I will be passing these comments along

Thanks for your info Phil regarding these matters. :good

[Phil Austin]

always a pleasure mate

[Phil Austin]

Ash - check your PM re Pavlik

[IrnBruMan]

My pix are these guys......

Pavlik
Enrique Ornelas
Roman Karmazin


Now the Pavlik fight is off could Mundine get this fight late November or December :admin

And risk his chance to fight the winner of The Contender Australia?

No way Jose!

[TheDuke]

Thanks for the explanation Phil regarding the IBO. Your correct in that the IBO has gained much more respect in recent years. I agree with you on this and also agree that the other organisations are really no better, some people just think they are better because they have been around for longer. I just think it is wrong that Green and Dominguez fought for the vacant title. You have stated that no other applications came through from other fighters to contest the vacant title. Does that not indicate that Green and Dominguez's people have then "bought" the title by putting in an application when there were surely a fair few fighters ahead of them in the rankings. Where these higher ranked fighters contacted by the IBO to try and make a better/more relevant fight for the vacant title ? Surely the IBO would want the best possible champion to represent their organisation. I realise the organisation is a business and has to make money but do you expect us to believe that none of the higher ranked fighters at 200 had any interest in fighting for the title ? The reason the boxing organisations have a black eye is because things like this occurr. I realise you are in a tough position to comment but Green fighting Dominguez for the vacant IBO 200 title was a farce really and cheapens the idea of a world title. This then causes the stain on boxing when fighters with the skill/ability of Danny Green/Anthony Mundine etc etc can then call themselves 3 weight 3 times world champion. It doesn't look good does it ?

And to be fair when you put the letters B.O in the name of your organisation people are gonna subconsciously think it STINKS.......

Waka waka waka thenk yew thenk yew

[LeonMcS]

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Champagne comedy!

[Phil Austin]

Laugh? I almost did! :p