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are there any fighters that would be a shoe-in for an all time top five list in TWO different weight divisions? the only person I can think of is Sugar Ray Robinson at welterweight and middleweight. anyone else?
Manassa
07-27-2009, 10:28 PM
Some people, not me, would have Harry Greb as top five for middleweight and light heavyweight.
The same people may also rate Henry Armstrong as a top five fighter at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. Particularly zealous fan.
Just as a particularly zealous Roberto Duran fan may rate him as #1 lightweight and #5 welterweight.
Or Roy Jones as a top five middleweight and light heavyweight.
Although there would be inconsistencies with the criteria, I think those four are the most realistic, not counting interim divisions.
OBCboxer
07-27-2009, 10:40 PM
Sam Langford? Middleweight and Light Heavyweight?
PetethePrince
07-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Armstrong
curly
07-27-2009, 11:05 PM
duran
My2Sense
07-27-2009, 11:08 PM
are there any fighters that would be a shoe-in for an all time top five list in TWO different weight divisions? the only person I can think of is Sugar Ray Robinson at welterweight and middleweight. anyone else?
He's also the only fighter that some people might argue is #1 in those two major weight classes.
Flea Man
07-28-2009, 07:11 AM
Duran. Arguello is definitely top at 130, depends whether he's rated highly at 126 (his age and the depth of LW historically means he wouldn't make my top five lw's to be honest, though he was still brilliant)
Bill Butcher
07-28-2009, 08:15 AM
are there any fighters that would be a shoe-in for an all time top five list in TWO different weight divisions? the only person I can think of is Sugar Ray Robinson at welterweight and middleweight. anyone else?
Julio Cesar Chavez at 130 & 140.
Undisputedly.
teeto
07-28-2009, 08:40 AM
He's also the only fighter that some people might argue is #1 in those two major weight classes.
:deal
teeto
07-28-2009, 08:49 AM
Some people, not me, would have Harry Greb as top five for middleweight and light heavyweight.
The same people may also rate Henry Armstrong as a top five fighter at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. Particularly zealous fan.
Just as a particularly zealous Roberto Duran fan may rate him as #1 lightweight and #5 welterweight.
Or Roy Jones as a top five middleweight and light heavyweight.
Although there would be inconsistencies with the criteria, I think those four are the most realistic, not counting interim divisions.
Yeah good calls, Greb could be number one at middle, and in fairness, the resume at light heavy could easily qualify him here.
The thing with Armstrong is that he, in my opinion was probably at his best at lightweight, but somewhat like Chavez did his greater work at a different weight. Though his body of work would certainly qualify him more so than Chavez for such honours at the 135 pound limit, i'm not quite sold.
Duran's resume at 147 is good, he has good wins, one absolutely amazing, fantastic, brilliant win, and only one loss to one of the finest fighters ever pound for pound.
I'm not having Jones top five for middle though, like you say, only with a drastic change in criteria could it be possible.
klompton
07-28-2009, 08:50 AM
greb easily deserves the call at middle and lhw
PowerPuncher
07-28-2009, 08:54 AM
Julio Cesar Chavez at 130 & 140.
Undisputedly.
He isn't undisputedly top 5 at 140 and only undisputed at 130 because it is a new division, the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson, Napoles, Ortiz were 140lbers before the division was established. Duran, Armstrong, Pep, Saddler, were 130lbers before the division was established
PowerPuncher
07-28-2009, 08:56 AM
For an obscure 1 and taking advantage of new divisions that didnt used to exist. How about James Toney at 168 and Cruser :D And Holy at Cruser and HW
OBCboxer
07-28-2009, 08:57 AM
For an obscure 1 and taking advantage of new divisions that didnt used to exist. How about James Toney at 168 and Cruser :D
Calzaghe is the greatest at 168. Holyfield is the greatest at Cruiserweight. Toney is a nice pick though. I don't think Holy is top 5 in HW.
teeto
07-28-2009, 08:59 AM
For an obscure 1 and taking advantage of new divisions that didnt used to exist. How about James Toney at 168 and Cruser :D And Holy at Cruser and HW
Yeah i defo think Toney might be a nic epick, seen as though there aren't too many locks there for the spots. Same case at 168.
GPater11093
07-28-2009, 02:54 PM
Carlos ortiz top 5 at LW and arguably top 5 at LWW
teeto
07-28-2009, 05:55 PM
Carlos ortiz top 5 at LW and arguably top 5 at LWW
That's a good one, though it would be on wins resume at light welter, rather than body of work, but still i think you might have hit the nail on the head there.
GPater11093
07-28-2009, 06:14 PM
i thought of Ortiz randomly today and thought of this thread
been watching alot of ortiz recently
teeto
07-28-2009, 06:18 PM
As you keep saying GP, you must have seen shitloads by now. Any more thoughts?
Bill Butcher
07-28-2009, 06:19 PM
He isn't undisputedly top 5 at 140 and only undisputed at 130 because it is a new division, the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson, Napoles, Ortiz were 140lbers before the division was established. Duran, Armstrong, Pep, Saddler, were 130lbers before the division was established
Doesnt count then does it ?
To me, you had to have at least been a champ at a certain weight before consideration & probably spend a decent amount of time there also to be known as the GOAT in a certain weight class.
You name me 5 legitimate 140 lb champions that are more worthy than Chavez in that 140 class.
Bill Butcher
07-28-2009, 06:20 PM
For an obscure 1 and taking advantage of new divisions that didnt used to exist. How about James Toney at 168 and Cruser :D And Holy at Cruser and HW
Holyfield, top 5 at HWT ?
Pass that shit :rasta
GPater11093
07-28-2009, 06:22 PM
As you keep saying GP, you must have seen shitloads by now. Any more thoughts?
I think he is one of the best examples of a boxer puncher ever.
His finishing skills are second to none, its scary watching him go for it.
His fight with Battling Torrez is a great one
you want me to bore you with anyore details, i could go on all day.
Teeto its weird seeing your real picture cause i always though you was Duran :patsch
teeto
07-28-2009, 06:25 PM
I think he is one of the best examples of a boxer puncher ever.
His finishing skills are second to none, its scary watching him go for it.
His fight with Battling Torrez is a great one
you want me to bore you with anyore details, i could go on all day.
Teeto its weird seeing your real picture cause i always though you was Duran :patsch
Hahahaha, same here with my perception of Fleaman, i thought i was going to see somee guy with a stylish moustache giving me the thumbs up!
And i always expected Sweet Pea to look like you know who!
GPater11093
07-28-2009, 06:29 PM
Hahahaha, same here with my perception of Fleaman, i thought i was going to see somee guy with a stylish moustache giving me the thumbs up!
And i always expected Sweet Pea to look like you know who!
I knew what Fleaman looked like before he had the AA avater.
I always did think SP was actually Pernell. However him and Raging Bull look alike.
lefthook31
07-28-2009, 06:47 PM
Woops jus reread it, but we can change the topic to HOF
Are we talking Hall of Fame?
Shane Mosley lightweight and welter
Roy Jones middleweight and LH
Evander Holyfield cruiser Heavy
Maybe Michaeal Moorer at heavy and LH. He is a two time heavyweight champion
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