JC VS. KESSLER....More good news!

[langshof]

I just heard on the news (Danish Nat'l Radio) that Palle says to Danish paper B.T. that he regards the fight as a go.
Only small details are missing and he expects to be able to officially announce it shortly. He also says that he expects the fight to take place in september in Wales.
The news isn't online yet, but as soon as I see it I will attach it to a post on this thread.
:bbb

[Anthony Farnell]

Good news this one should be a good fight.
Calzaghe will have too much though I think.

[langshof]

Good news this one should be a good fight.
Calzaghe will have too much though I think.

You think?
I honestly have no idea. I'm hoping Kesslers overall strength and power will be decisive. It's either that or JCs speed and workrate if he's able to get past Kesslers jab.
Only thing I do know is that I'm looking to take my vacation so it fits with the fight.

[Clearly Cool]

My most anticipated fight!!

Dont know about you but im pretty pumped up for some of the fights coming up this year.

[Anthony Farnell]

You think?
I honestly have no idea. I'm hoping Kesslers overall strength and power will be decisive. It's either that or JCs speed and workrate if he's able to get past Kesslers jab.
Only thing I do know is that I'm looking to take my vacation so it fits with the fight.
Joe will raise his game for this like he did against Lacy for me.
His speed will be important though but I guess It wouldn't be a massive shock to me if Kessler won.
Should be a very good fight either way.

[Clearly Cool]

I am going to put some money on Kessler. Up till now he has beaten every opponent easily and I cant see him swinging and missing like lacy did for 12 rounds. Although there is a question mark over his ability to reamain composed whilst being rained on by slaps, he should have enough power, skill and smarts to win.

But if Calzaghe rises to the occasion, ill give him his props and respect him a great deal.

By the way, whats Calzaghes chin like????

[Anthony Farnell]

By the way, whats Calzaghes chin like????
It's good he got knocked down by Byron Mitchell once but got straight up to knock him down not long after. He didn't seem to be dazed by the knockdown at all.
His chin will obviously be tested in this one again.
I really can't wait for this one. :smoke

[langshof]

I am going to put some money on Kessler. Up till now he has beaten every opponent easily and I cant see him swinging and missing like lacy did for 12 rounds. Although there is a question mark over his ability to reamain composed whilst being rained on by slaps, he should have enough power, skill and smarts to win.

But if Calzaghe rises to the occasion, ill give him his props and respect him a great deal.

By the way, whats Calzaghes chin like????

It's pretty good. He's been down twice, but has got up to win both times.

[d00k]

Source:

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(24th of of June 2007)

Quick translation:


Mogens Palle: 95 percent chance for Kessler - Calzaghe

The Danish promoter Mogens Palle confirms to B.T. that they are only a signature away from making the dreamfight between Kessler and Calzaghe reality.

You can say the negotiations are at a very advanced stage. Pretty much all our financial demands have been accepted, only very few things are missing, the promoter tells B.T.

- We have sent Frank ****** a preliminary contract, which is now being negotiated step by step. The remaining details, cannot break anything, Palle informs.

One of the details that must be decided is the geographic location of the fight, whereas both Denmark and Great Britain have been considered, as it currently is Mogens Palle doesn't think the fight will be taking place at home soil(Denmark).

- If he is negotiating for real, there is 95% chance the fight will get made. I am guessing it will take place in Great Britain.

[langshof]

Mogens Palle: 95 procents chance for kampen Kessler - Calzaghe
Af LARS FINK

Forhandlingerne er meget fremskredne, det må man sige. Vi har stort set fået vores økonomiske krav opfyldt, og kun ganske få ting mangler, siger promotoren til B.T.

- Vi har sendt et udkast til (Joe Calzaghes manager red.), Frank ****** og nu forhandler vi det igennem punkt for punkt. De detaljer, der er tilbage, kan ikke vælte noget, fortæller Mogens Palle.

De detaljer, der skal på plads, er blandt andet den geografiske placering af kampen hvor både Danmark og Storbritannien er i spil, og umiddelbart mener Mogens Palle ikke, det blive i en hjemlig boksearena braget finder sted.

- Hvis han ikke forhandler på skrømt, er der vel 95 procents chance for, at den bliver til noget. Jeg vil skyde på, den finder sted i Storbritannien.

Translated (to the best of my ability):

"Negotiations have very much progressed, you'll have to say. Our financial demands have pretty much been met and only very few things are left," the promotor says to B.T.
"We have sent a draft to FW and we're now negotiating point by point. The details that are left, can't turn anything around," Palle continues.
The remaining details are among other things the geographics as both Denmark and Great Britain are in play. Mogens Palle doesn't seem to think the fight will be on home turf.
"If he is a serious in his negotiations, I'll say that there's a 95 % chance the fight happens. My guess is that it will take place in Great Britain."

[PeterNielsen70]

I don’t think that Calzaghe’s handspeed will be enough for him to win the fight.
Kessler could easily handle Mundine’s handspeed. Mundine has a very fast left jab, but of course Calzaghe’s handspeed is more related to the fast combos and Calzaghe has a tremendous workrate . But again – excellent foot work and balance can keep you out of trouble. And regarding overall balance and timing, Kessler will match Calzaghe. Kessler’s left jab will eventually make way for some big rights I think – and I honestly don’t think that Calzaghe has the same ironchin as shown by Andrade. :huh

[Tobang07]

If the fight takes place in Britain and Palle/Kessler gets around 5M$, it kind a puts Palle in another light.

For months hes been ridiculed for not accepting the very first offer of 1.75M$ and the next and so on.

Some might call him a negotiating genius at this point!

Nevertheless this is great news. You gotta hand Kessler some respect going to Wales. Great fight!

[Clearly Cool]

I don’t think that Calzaghe’s handspeed will be enough for him to win the fight.
Kessler could easily handle Mundine’s handspeed. Mundine has a very fast left jab, but of course Calzaghe’s handspeed is more related to the fast combos and Calzaghe has a tremendous workrate . But again – excellent foot work and balance can keep you out of trouble. And regarding overall balance and timing, Kessler will match Calzaghe. Kessler’s left jab will eventually make way for some big rights I think – and I honestly don’t think that Calzaghe has the same ironchin as shown by Andrade. :huh

I agree with that.

But i'll admit that im am basing my knowledge on the few fights ive seen as well as some of the information from other posters and articles.

[langshof]

I don’t think that Calzaghe’s handspeed will be enough for him to win the fight.
Kessler could easily handle Mundine’s handspeed. Mundine has a very fast left jab, but of course Calzaghe’s handspeed is more related to the fast combos and Calzaghe has a tremendous workrate . But again – excellent foot work and balance can keep you out of trouble. And regarding overall balance and timing, Kessler will match Calzaghe. Kessler’s left jab will eventually make way for some big rights I think – and I honestly don’t think that Calzaghe has the same ironchin as shown by Andrade. :huh

JC's not gonna get hit as many times as Andrade either. But sometimes one blow or combo is enough. If Joe leaves himself as open as he did when he attacked Veit, he's in for a big surprise. -Kesslers timing when countering is extremely good. Many of his stoppages have been after a miss by the opponent.
If Kessler can keep his cool when JC starts swarming, he's got a good chance of winning.

[Anthony Farnell]

If Joe leaves himself as open as he did when he attacked Veit, he's in for a big surprise.

He wont though.
He could walk through Veit but this Kessler fight is very different.

[PeterNielsen70]

I’ve just checked Kessler’s prof. records again. He has 29 K.O. in 39 fights. In the remaining 10 fights that went to the distance all the judges has scored all the rounds to Kessler – except one judge in a 6-round fight in 2000 against Sidney Mxoli Msutu. He scored it only 59-56 in Kessler’s favour. And except two judges in the Mundine fight. They scored it 116-112 and 117-113. Just saying – Kessler is not used to loosing rounds…But if the fight takes place in Wales, the odds maybe it set 50-50. If the fight takes place in Copenhagen I'll give the odds 70-30 in Kessler's favour. :think

[PrideOfWales]

Personally I'm delighted that this is seemingly going ahead in SEPTEMBER! It's about time Palle grew some balls and fucked his 50th anniversary that nobody else cares about outside of Denmark. This fight has been made due to the money involved. Great stuff. If Joe is anywhere near his best, he'll be too good for Kessler. Mikkel is too predictable to win this fight and although I respect his power, it's not the devastating variety Calzaghe has been in against. Neither is his style. Calzaghe adapts well - he doesn't get hit by jabs (Kessler's best weapon), his hand speed is nothing like anything MK has faced before. Sure he fought Mundine, but Mundine doesn't throw the volume of punches Joe throws from all over the place. Calzaghe's footwork will also be able to get him inside and turn it a bit ugly - here is where he'll get his best success. As for his chin, he got put down by a massive right hand from a big puncher, got straight back up and KO'd him within 20 seconds.

The more I think about this fight and look at Kessler, the more I think Calzaghe has enough to win this fight in a convincing fashion.

[New Wind]

Well, we'll see now, won't we, prideofwales..

All I'm saying is FINALLY!

Kessler inside 5

[THN]

I'ts a 50/50 fight. for those who think of Kessler as a one dimensionel fighter, you will be suprised:yep , Kessler is a very complete fighter, he is not makind things
difficult, thats why it somtimes looks like he is one dimensional, he just smashing his opponents, and it looks so easy. He is a very clever boxer.
Calzaghe need to be on top for that fight:bbb , otherwise he will be ko'd in the early rounds. But if he'll come out with he's best it will be hell of a fight.S/D:think .
May the best man win!:good

[PeterNielsen70]

[quote=PrideOfWales]Personally I'm delighted that this is seemingly going ahead in SEPTEMBER! It's about time Palle grew some balls and fucked his 50th anniversary that nobody else cares about outside of Denmark. ]

Actually we don’t care about Palle’s 50th anniversary in Denmark. I think that it’s only Palle himself that care.:yep He has a tremendous ego – I don’t know much about Frank ******, but after what I’ve heard, says that his ego also is quite big. So my greatest concern for the fight not to happen is related to the two promoters. They can fuck it up in the last minute if they get offended etc. Kessler and Calzaghe want the fight, and both fighters are willing to going abroad. Palles ego has kept another great Danish SMW-fighter out of the ring for 3½ years by the way.

[deram]

The bookmakers started with Kessler slight favorite 55-45. Since then odds have moved so that Calzaghe was the favorite 2 weeks ago with 60-40.

These odds all said 3/10 in Copenhagen.

If the fight happens in Wales expect Joe to be bigger favorite. Probably 75-25 or so.

[Steve Fox]

Just a signature away from happening? So not really any closer then - how long does it take to sort out a fight ffs.

[langshof]

Just a signature away from happening? So not really any closer then - how long does it take to sort out a fight ffs.

-A while, obviously....

[Carlos Primera]

this has to be the most anticipated fight this year moreso than the farce that was oscar-floyd. with so much bs and bluffs being spewed by both palle and ******, i'll believe it when they do a presscon hell even that's not a 100% guarantee it will push through, i'll believe it when they staring at each other form across the ring. joe should take care of kessler.

[henrik]

:soccerred :ko yes...finally!!!Mikkel kessler wins by ko...:ko :ko

[deram]

The last 5% are usually far the hardest to actually get in place.

[PrideOfWales]

Massive chance for the Kessler fans to earn some cash on a big bet I guess! The odds at a Britsh bookmaker will be stacked in Calzaghe's favour after they made Lacy favourite - so they'll be overly cautious. With the fight likely to be in Cardiff, that will also sway their odds.

So my message to Kessler fans, if you're so convinced, set up an online account with a British bookmaker.

Or you could take my advice and refrain from throwing your hard earned Krone and Aussie Dollars away!!

[Korn_06]

The last 5% are usually far the hardest to actually get in place.

In a project.
The first 90% og the project takes the first 90% of the time, the last 10% of the project takes the other 90% of the time.

[Korn_06]

Massive chance for the Kessler fans to earn some cash on a big bet I guess! The odds at a Britsh bookmaker will be stacked in Calzaghe's favour after they made Lacy favourite - so they'll be overly cautious. With the fight likely to be in Cardiff, that will also sway their odds.

So my message to Kessler fans, if you're so convinced, set up an online account with a British bookmaker.

Or you could take my advice and refrain from throwing your hard earned Krone and Aussie Dollars away!!


If Kessler is the underdog I will put 1000 USD for him to win. Please tell me where I can find the best odds.

[Korn_06]

I'll give you 1 to 1 odds..

Your $1k vs my $1k.

Calzaghe wins.

My dear Blocky. Now I dont hold you in the highest regards regarding your opinions about boxing... But I didn't know that you were a cheapskate as well. I think a bookie can offer me better odds than this. But I will make the bet and I will show you the reciept. Then you can do the same.

[PATSYS]

Great news if this is true :happy I might even watch the fight live if they were to do it here in Parken stadium Copenhagen :happy :happy

I think Kessler is a very good fighter but Calzaghe is simply better. I think Calzaghe wil make Kessler look like a journeyman, beating him up to the punches all the time.

[Korn_06]

If you believe your boxer is going to win, then bet the money.

1-1 is good enough if you believe your boxer has what it takes.

Dear Blocky, since you so often judge intelligence here. Please tell me how intelligent it would be of me to make this bet with you.

I will make the bet with a bookmaker at the best odds I can find. But of course if you can offer better odds and you can make satisfy my needs for security for my money once I win. I will take you into consideration.

[deram]

Dear Blocky, since you so often judge intelligence here. Please tell me how intelligent it would be of me to make this bet with you.

I will make the bet with a bookmaker at the best odds I can find. But of course if you can offer better odds and you can make satisfy my needs for security for my money once I win. I will take you into consideration.

Intelligence.

OK, well why don't we put actions where our mouthes are: I'll take a test at Mensa and see what the result is if Blocky does the same.

If either of us gets in the bet is settled. If neither of us then the one that receives the highest (none-qualifying) score wins the bet.

You on Blocky?
:cool:

[Faetter_BR]

Sure, I'll take that bet.

Wondering if I should tell you I'm actually a card holding member of Mensa or not, though.

If you hold a card to Mensa - then I've lost all respect for Mensa (although I didn't have much to begin with)

[Korn_06]

Mensa is over-rated, I did it at the age of 16 - it's a glorified IQ test with which you have to come in the top 2%

Attempting to dispute my intelligence is fucking pointless, you're disputing my boxing knowledge, fine I can deal with that - but my intelligent is unquestionable.

You try and write articles that polarise opinion like I can - like me or hate me, I get the job done.

Just like Calzaghe's going to do come fight night - whenever the fuck that may be.

I agree that noboddy can write like you can, these boards shows it. If that is proof of intelligence, well then intelligence is something I have to study a little bit more.

[deram]

Sure, I'll take that bet.

Wondering if I should tell you I'm actually a card holding member of Mensa or not, though.

You are? well, so am I (Australian Mensa). Yeah, I know.... I set up a bet I couldn't loose.;-)

Now we just need to find a way to prove membership....

:think

[deram]

Mensa is over-rated, I did it at the age of 16 - it's a glorified IQ test with which you have to come in the top 2%

Attempting to dispute my intelligence is fucking pointless, you're disputing my boxing knowledge, fine I can deal with that - but my intelligent is unquestionable.

You try and write articles that polarise opinion like I can - like me or hate me, I get the job done.

Just like Calzaghe's going to do come fight night - whenever the fuck that may be.

Polarizing oppinions is not difficult. Give me one article and I'll create havock.

The title will be: "A thorough examination and proof that Oscar de la Hoya is NOT an ATG"

...or something like that. Just be controversial and people will come like flies to shit. Writing the truth may not polarize oppinions, but afterall the truth is (!?) a quality in and by itself.

[hulter]

I'll give you 1 to 1 odds..

Your $1k vs my $1k.

Calzaghe wins.

I'll make you another bet.

Kessler wins = you suck my cock
Calzaghe wins = i'll lick your pussy


hulter

[DanePugilist]

I fail to see what intelligence and Mensa has to do with boxing knowledge? IQ is totally related to identifying logical patterns.

Neither intelligence nor boxing knowledge can predict the outcome of this fight with 100% certainty.

I think Kessler will win - saying the opposite would be an equally intelligent suggestion, and so would it be in a sense of boxing knowledge.

Disputing that would be unintelligable and unknowledgable though.

[Decebal]

I fail to see what intelligence and Mensa has to do with boxing knowledge? IQ is totally related to identifying logical patterns.

Neither intelligence nor boxing knowledge can predict the outcome of this fight with 100% certainty.

I think Kessler will win - saying the opposite would be an equally intelligent suggestion, and so would it be in a sense of boxing knowledge.

Disputing that would be unintelligable and unknowledgable though.

...argument by authority...when you cannot convince someone through reasoned argument, you fall back on giving your argument credibility by listing your credentials.

[Rollo]

Arguing over intelligence on a boxing-site!

Holy Moses - THAT´s unintelligent!

[DanePugilist]

...argument by authority...when you cannot convince someone through reasoned argument, you fall back on giving your argument credibility by listing your credentials.:lol::lol::lol: - I think you have seen the light of the current state of debate.

You win this thread.

[DanePugilist]

Arguing over intelligence on a boxing-site!

Holy Moses - THAT´s unintelligent!I agree - even if what you just said is an oxymoron.

[Decebal]

:lol::lol::lol: - I think you have seen the light of the current state of debate.

You win this thread.

...since my IQ is only just over 100, I won't have convinced many geniuses...:verysad

[DanePugilist]

...since my IQ is only just over 100, I won't have convinced many geniuses...:verysadWell, since the geniuses are closely related to the insane - then whats the point?

However, your emotional intelligence might be way higher to compensate. IQ is overrated. E.I is underrated.

[China_hand_Joe]

Well, since the geniuses are closely related to the insane - then whats the point?

However, your emotional intelligence might be way higher to compensate. IQ is overrated. E.I is underrated. IQ is worthless and is a measure of mental fitness more than anything.

[Decebal]

Well, since the geniuses are closely related to the insane - then whats the point?

However, your emotional intelligence might be way higher to compensate. IQ is overrated. E.I is underrated.

true...even if you are very IQ intelligent, if you do not judge a situation appropriately against the appropriate values that should inform your choice, you aint gonna do the right thing! Sometimes, I am surprised to notice that even a lower animal, like a dog or a cow reacts more appropriately in certain situations than their human masters...:think

[Decebal]

IQ is worthless and is a measure of mental fitness more than anything.

mental fitness is important...like physical fitness. But the most important thing is undoubtedly moral fitness.

[DanePugilist]

Correct, knowledge and it's application in real world situations is what gives actual intelligence.

Such as.... the knowledge that Joe Calzaghe has never been bothered by jabbing fighters in the past, combined with the knowledge that Mikkel Kessler would be as useless as a monkey on a rock without the jab.

That knowledge, applied practically and intelligently, allows an easy conclusion that Calzaghe, and I use Roy Jones Jr and Floyd Mayweather Jr as inspiration, Will whoop that ass.Actually I would say intelligence and its application in the real world situations gives knowledge. You don't become more intelligent, you become more knowledgeable. In fact our intelligence is in constant decline since birth.

After this, then what you are saying is just totally nonsense - the fact is Kessler has a jab. Kessler has more assets. JC has more assets than speed and workrate.

So what you are really saying is that if JC wins you are intelligent and knowledgable - does this mean that you are suddenly unintelligent and unknowledgable if Kessler wins? I would not agree to that last part, as I recognise you as both intelligent and knowledgable.

But even the most knowledgable boxing fan cannot predict the outcome of a fight with 100% certainty - much less one of such high class.

[Rollo]

I agree - even if what you just said is an oxymoron.


Damn! Is semantics your second hobby apart from watching boxing?

[bill poster]

JC has the mental edge- I just worry that he has lost some reflexes- i thought i saw a glimpse of that in Cardiff

I think Kessler is in for a shock tho- he won't dominate like he is used to

[DanePugilist]

Damn! Is semantics your second hobby apart from watching boxing?:lol::lol::lol: - maybe.:cool:

[Rollo]

Joe Calzaghe stops Kessler in the mid rounds.



Well, actually that´s impossible - because the fight is over before the mid rounds.....:yep

[DanePugilist]

Well, actually that´s impossible - because the fight is over before the mid rounds.....:yepThat would actually be the biggest upset of all.

[Rollo]

That would actually be the biggest upset of all.



Ofcause, I just enjoy nuthugging Kessler for the fun of it.........:yep


But seriously, I don´t see Calzaghe winning this one even though putting him in the favourites position is very denfendable.

[DanePugilist]

Ofcause, I just enjoy nuthugging Kessler for the fun of it.........:yep


But seriously, I don´t see Calzaghe winning this one even though putting him in the favourites position is very denfendable.Nor me, but maybe I am blinded or else I have been given foresight.