CHJ, Amsterdam and Blockbot: please design a training regime and strategy for Kessler

[Decebal]

...to increase his chances of winning as much as possible. Please do so in detail!...Any other Calzaghe nuthuggers, please join in!

[langshof]

:lol: :lol: :lol: !!!

[China_hand_Joe]

...to increase his chances of winning as much as possible.

Why not ask for a strategy to increase his expected profit when playing the lottery while you're at it -questionmark-

[McGrain]

Why not ask for a strategy to increase his chances of winning the lottery while you're at it -questionmark-

That's easy; buy as many tickets as possible.

Even if you mean to say "win the jackpot", same thing.

[Decebal]

That's easy; buy as many tickets as possible.

Even if you mean to say "win the jackpot", same thing.

:good

[China_hand_Joe]

The best strategy for the lottery is to not play at all.

The best strategy for Kessler...

[McGrain]

The best strategy for the lottery is to not play at all.

This is not the best strategy to win the lottery.

[China_hand_Joe]

This is not the best strategy to win the lottery.I have just noticed, you edited an above quote of my initial post in this thread.

[Decebal]

This is not the best strategy to win the lottery.

Right, again!:lol:

[McGrain]

I have just noticed, you edited an above quote of my initial post in this thread.

Trying to keep you out of trouble my son.

[Amsterdam]

As CHJ said before, the chances of defeating a fully focused Calzaghe at Kessler's stylistic disadvantage are not really all that great.

Kessler should just come in and take his beating like a man and then go on to win nearly every other fight around the general weight class, including a very competitive bout against Chad Dawson that he could absolutely win.

And by the way, I am not a nuthugger.

[Decebal]

As CHJ said before, the chances of defeating a fully focused Calzaghe at Kessler's stylistic disadvantage are not really all that great.

Kessler should just come in and take his beating like a man and then go on to win nearly every other fight around the general weight class, including a very competitive bout against Chad Dawson that he could absolutely win.

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And by the way, I am not a nuthugger.

;)

[McGrain]

And by the way, I am not a nuthugger.

:think

[Amsterdam]

:think

I'm not. Not like you with Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston mate.

[McGrain]

I'm not. Not like you with Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston mate.

I've picked regualrly against both.

[Amsterdam]

I've picked regualrly against both.

But you rate Sonny at number 3 all time, must not be going off of resume.:yep :good

[McGrain]

But you rate Sonny at number 3 all time, must not be going off of resume.:yep :good

You're right of course.

But i've always been quite up front about the fact.

[Decebal]

Let us concentrate on the question at hand, please!

[China_hand_Joe]

Let us concentrate on the question at hand, please!You've got my answer.

It is either genius or insane.

[McGrain]

It is either genius or insane.

:think

[Decebal]

You've got my answer.

It is either genius or insane.

Yes...that's you allright!

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[sues2nd]

This is not the best strategy to win the lottery.

Actually he is kinda right.

If you play $100 worth and lose (which by all accounts is what would happen), then your profit margin is -$100.

If you dont play at all, you break even.

:good

[McGrain]

Actually he is kinda right.

If you play $100 worth and lose (which by all accounts is what would happen), then your profit margin is -$100.

If you dont play at all, you break even.

:good

The original (rhetorical) question was, "for a strategy to increase his chances of winning the lottery".

Not playing does not increase his chances of winning the lottery.

[Decebal]

Blocky:

Right, hounded by people who tell me I'm not objective and my views on the Calzaghe vs Kessler fight are based on my "hatred" of Kessler and not any real analysis of style, here is some objectivity on the gameplan Kessler could use to possibly beat Calzaghe.

Please note that I do not believe Kessler is capable of implementing this gameplan, that he will only be able to work off of what he knows and that will cause him to lose this fight, pretty easily.

Training

Kessler needs to do rounds, rounds and more rounds of sparring against tricky, unorthodox southpaws who can somewhat replicate what he's going to face from Calzaghe.

He needs to work hard on fighting at a very high pace throughout the entire fight, because Calzaghe has shown for the big matches, he has near limitless stamina.

Technique wise, he needs to work on being less tenatitive in throwing the right hand, against Andrade, he did lead with the overhand right on occassion yet for my liking, it wasn't triggered enough and it never looked natural.

Kessler needs to get better at timing the lead right, working on the premise that Calzaghe, like he did against another orthdox Euro Jabber, will circle away from his jab.

I'd also like him to put some work into his footwork, at the moment he goes straight back far too often, Calzaghe's swarming style, quicker hands and evasiveness means he will be no where near as easy to keep off of him as Kesslers previous fights have been.

If Calzaghe does close the distance, Kessler needs to clinch and clinch well, he needs to smother Calzaghe and force Calzaghe to reset, so in the gym itself, I would have him work on catching his opponent as they work their way on the inside.

Most importantly, I would have Kessler spar a fair number of rounds without using his reliable jab, he needs to keep that lead hand high as Calzaghe has made a career out of looping those slapping punches around the jabs and low left hands of his opponents.

Summary of Training

- Work plenty of rounds at a high pace for endurance
- Work on feinting the left, slipping the lead right hand on a better trigger
- Work on his feetwork, make it more natural for him to move to the side and not straight back, triggering the right hand counter
- Work on the clinch, no matter how much he trains, he won't be able to match Calzaghe on the inside, he needs to smother Calzaghe and force Calzaghe to reset whenever he gets on the inside

Fight Plan

Like any fight, he should spend the first few rounds finding out what he can/cannot do in the ring against Calzaghe. He should definitely see how successful his jab is, in the first couple of rounds because if he's able to land consistently, it will make his night a lot easier and give him a higher chance at success

If, as I suspect, Calzaghe is able to counter the jab and make it ineffective, Kessler needs to start feinting and throwing that right. He needs to make Joe fear that right hand as early as possible in the fight to give himself more opportunities with Joe circling to his left hand

Any time Joe is able to work his way on the inside, he needs to clinch and force Joe to reset again from the outside, where Kessler is more comfortable fighting.

He needs to work on countering Calzaghe from the outside, rather than leading the action himself as the handspeed difference will probably make it too easy for Calzaghe to beat Kessler to the punch

Work on feinting that left throughout the fight but don't be afraid to reset to the jab every three or so rounds, even if it hasn't been effective previously.

Summary of Fight Plan

- Attempt to throw the jab early in the fight to see if it's successful.
- If the jab isn't successful, make Joe fear the right hand early in the fight
- Don't be afraid of clinching Joe on the inside, force him to reset again from the outside
- Counter, more so than lead, don't be afraid to throw one off right hands as a counter.
- Work on feinting the left, as Joe will be expecting the jab all night, use it as a distraction if the jab itself is not successful

Overall Summary

Kessler needs to go in with a backup plan outside of his usual fight game, Although that fight game has allowed him to dominate his opponents so far, it is more than fair to say no one he has faced even goes near preparing him for the stylistic challenge of Calzaghe.

He needs to train for it, get that right hand triggering more naturally with less of a telegraph.

He needs to be prepared to fight twelve action packed rounds, as Joe's chin is good enough to believe he will be in the fight the entire way.

He must make Joe fear the right hand and fear being caught coming in, as his inside game will be no match for Joe's - he can't get away with having to repeatedly clinch all night without point deductions, so he has to ensure he's trying to counter Joe on the inside

This, I believe is Kessler's best chance to win the fight

Fight analysis is what I do, the mere fact that I've gotten sick of explaining why Kessler's current style is wrong for Calzaghe doesn't change that.,

I could go on to post why I don't believe Kessler can successfuly implement this style and even why I think Calzaghe would still probably win if forced to fight on the outside, but I won't.

No insults here, no nothing - if you guys want to bring it into my thread, I'll retort and retaliate - if you want to talk boxing, I'll talk boxing.

Capice?

[Decebal]

I already did this a month or so back - gave great tips as to how I'd approach the fight as Mikkel Kessler, what things I'd work on in training and how I'd go about sparring.

Not going to do it again.

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Here you go.

Cheers.

[Decebal]

Priceless, a fucking Dane calling someone a nut hugger

At least Amsterdam knows about fighters other than Mikkel Kessler and Joe Calzaghe, you dull fuck.

Now, now...blockbot...let's keep it nice and friendly in here! We are all friends, right?

[Astola]

Priceless, a fucking Dane calling someone a nut hugger

At least Amsterdam knows about fighters other than Mikkel Kessler and Joe Calzaghe, you dull fuck.

Blocky, my fucked up friend.
That is an extremely well written analysis of how Kessler should train up to the fight. Nice work.

Also, I think its pretty much what they have planned to do.

[Astola]

And I still don't see it working.

Even if forced to fight from the outside, Joe has faster hands, better footwork, better angles than Kessler has produced in any of his fights - his lateral movement will be different to Kessler as even Mundine who is stated as the flashiest fighter he's faced tendered not to use lateral movement that much.

But, the above is how I'd train Kessler if I wanted a shot - I give that gameplan, 15? Yeah, 15% of working.

To be honest, learning how to trigger that right hand and turn himself into a southpaw killer within 6 months since they've known about the fights likelyhood is a tough tough ask.


15% is way too low.
Kesslers lead right is fucking good - and he doesnt need the jab to set it up. U know this as well.

U have to put these unknowns into the mix with Kesslers other qualities.

But as Ive seen time and time again, u simply reject these as non existing.

Countering/being agressive with the lead right and using the jab to set combinations up is the way to get to Calzaghes chin. I think hes training like hell in doing so.

He isnt changing his style mate - hes making adjustments. Adapting to the oponent.

Just like he fights totally different in the Siaca fight compared to the Beyer fight compared to the Andrade fight.

[Astola]

Kessler's lead right isn't that good - it's not on the level of Bernard Hopkins and it's definitely not on the level of Joe Calzaghe's lead left.

His style needs to change to beat Calzaghe, the jab will not work - when that happens, what can he fall back on? A lead right hand that doesn't trigger that well and a lack of combination punching?

It's funny, every single fight you mentioned - he fed his opponent the jab all night

Because Beyer is your typical bustling, head down, guard up fighter - Kessler could find the jab and right hand - good luck to him against Calzaghe, he's about to be stomped.


You simply lack the ability to see differences in initial styles and stances. If you cant see the difference from Siaca to Beyer to Andrade youre fucked. I have all the fights on my laptop, dude.

You truly beleive that when a fighter is orthodox - then that is all he is. But you dont use the same terminology on JC.

[Astola]

A: Have more stamina - Joe has more. Based on the Lacy fight eh?
B: Have more power - About the same - Kessler has more, as proven before by KO ratio.
C: Have more reach - About the same - yes.
D: Have more speed - Joe has more speed.
E: Have more punching arsenal - Its the same.

Joe could very well win on points. I dont beleive in a KO. Maybe TKO.

Kessler can win on points and maybe on KO and TKO.

[China_hand_Joe]

It is quite simple.

Kessler cannot win...unless

I am deadly serious when I say this, Kessler needs to use his head and break Calzaghe's left hand. It is his only real hope. He needs to encourgage situation where Calzaghe's is left is landing repeatedly on his head from strange angles.

Kessler's only hope is to block Calzaghe's punches, with his head. It might be his best chance.

[McGrain]

It is quite simple.

Kessler cannot win...unless

I am deadly serious when I say this, Kessler needs to use his head and break Calzaghe's left hand. It is his only real hope. He needs to encourgage situation where Calzaghe's is left is landing repeatedly on his head from strange angles.

Kessler's only hope is to block Calzaghe's punches, with his head. It might be his best chance.

This is an example of something absolutley insane that you've said that is absolutley correct. Kessler should adjust his stand and his guard accordingly.

He'll look like a total dipshit but it could work.

[Decebal]

Jeez I love being right.

"Joe if forced to fight on the outside, will still win"

"The jab will not work, what can Kessler fall back on if that's the case?"

:good