Mayweather has no reason to fight the winner of Mosley/Cotto [Archive]

Lance_Uppercut

09-09-2007, 05:58 PM

he could win his next 20 fights, you guys would still want to him to fight 21 cause their might be someone outhere that you guys think could finally defeat him.

"You guys" :patsch

It's easy to lump eveyone into one group isn't it? It allows you to say stupid things like that. Go away fanboy...

jaycuban

09-09-2007, 05:59 PM

Actually, he will have $12-15 million reasons to fight the winner:thumbsup

Thats why boxing is not as great as it used to be, its all about money, not who deserves the fight more

Marnoff

09-09-2007, 06:01 PM

He must fight the winner of this fight. Of course, they need to cooperate and whatnot as well in order for it to happen, but this fight must be made.

pugilistspecialist

09-09-2007, 06:03 PM

Would prove without a doubt that he is the best welterweight in his era. Think about it. No one since Whitaker was beaten by DLH in 1997 has someone really proven dominance in his era. Tito did get the W but he and DLH didnt seperate themselves from each other and no one after defended the title more than once or twice. DLH,Mosley, Forrest, Mayorga, Spinks,Judah, Baldomir all had shortlived reigns. Its all about his legacy at this point in Mayweathers career. If he beats Hatton, Fight the winner of Mosley-Cotto, He proves his worth at the weight.

jaycuban

09-09-2007, 06:04 PM

"You guys" :patsch

It's easy to lump eveyone into one group isn't it? It allows you to say stupid things like that. Go away fanboy...

mayweather is not even my favorite fighter so stop talking shit dude

Imperial1

09-09-2007, 06:04 PM

Would prove without a doubt that he is the best welterweight in his era.

I think that should give people all the reaon in the world to have this fight !

kirk

09-09-2007, 06:27 PM

Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard in my life

BobDigi5060

09-09-2007, 06:28 PM

The fans should be his reason.

Jose FM

09-09-2007, 06:29 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.
Youre a Joke.:yep

brooklyn1550

09-09-2007, 06:29 PM

Imperial1

09-09-2007, 06:33 PM

Give me a fucking break. He would be doing what a true champion does and facing the most dangerous challenge. If he were to beat Mosley, he would have beaten a future HOFer. If he were to beat Miguel Cotto, he would be beating a great fighter and a huge challenge.

This thread just proves how fickeled boxing fans are ..First they want the fight now their is no reason for them !:patsch

Boinko

09-09-2007, 06:36 PM

he could win his next 20 fights, you guys would still want to him to fight 21 cause their might be someone outhere that you guys think could finally defeat him.

Mayweather is already considered the best P4P fighter in the world, and if he beats Hatton he will have sealed the rep even more.
So, of course I would like to see him fight the best guys. And if there is a fighter that I think can beat him (and I'm not sure there is right now) then I totally want him to to fight that guy.

I mean, who would you rather see him fight after the Hatton fight? Seems like the winner of Cotto/Mosley would be an excellent choice since they will have distinguished themself as the second best welterweight in the sport.

sonny73

09-09-2007, 06:39 PM

nezy37

09-09-2007, 06:51 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.

Are you serious. If the guy want's to be considered the best he better fight the winner of Cotto Mosley

psychopath

09-09-2007, 06:54 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.

:lol: :lol: :lol: . . . that's just according to you. Hatton is Hatton . . .Cotto is Cotto . . . Mosley is Mosley. Beating Hatton who is a natural 140 lber doesn't mean shit at 147 weight class. The Hatton/PBF fight is just a HYPED money fight.

. . . is that a justification for PBF for not wanting a piece of Mosley or Cotto? :think :D

kg0208

09-09-2007, 07:00 PM

He most certainly DOES need to fight the winner. Unless he fights Williams.

Lance_Uppercut

09-09-2007, 07:23 PM

mayweather is not even my favorite fighter so stop talking shit dude

You're the one talking shit noob. Re-read your opening post until you realize how idiotic it is. Then go fuck yourself.:hey

Rickypr18

09-09-2007, 07:26 PM

Yeah and who deserves the fight more than the winner of Cotto/Mosley?
De La Hoya duh:tired .

Imperial1

09-09-2007, 07:50 PM

If Mayweather retired again after his fight w/Hatton people will say that he ducked Mosely and Cotto and the debates would never end ..

bigtime9

09-09-2007, 08:05 PM

He has yet to beat one of the top five fighters at 140 -147 of the last five years.Hardly proved much at these weights.Hatton and Tszyu are the best fighter of this era at 140-147 until Cotto or Mayweather do better.He's proved he is the best at the weights below which is still good tho.

floyd beat the top guy at 147 actually both judah and baldo. come dec 8th you can add hattons head to the trophy case:deal

kg0208

09-09-2007, 08:31 PM

Yeah of course ppl will say he aged overnight... they will never give Floyd credit.

If Mosley beats Cotto, then I think PBF should fight Williams. If Cotto beats Mosley, I would prefer he fight Cotto.

I still think Mosley is old whether he beats Cotto or not.

Imperial1

09-09-2007, 08:33 PM

That's because it would be true !

Your right but again it just shows how fickeled boxing fans are ..I would love for him to fight the winner of Mosley and Cotto but the thread starter thinks otherwise !

igotJUIC3

09-09-2007, 08:37 PM

If Mosley beats Cotto, then I think PBF should fight Williams. If Cotto beats Mosley, I would prefer he fight Cotto.

I still think Mosley is old whether he beats Cotto or not.

if that should happen people on here would be yelling DUCK FOREVER!!!

on another note.....Floyd gotta fight the winner of Mosley - Coto....simply because it would be the best fight out there and ALL BOXING fans would want to see it.

kg0208

09-09-2007, 08:41 PM

Thats not fair towards Shane.. Shane convincingly beating Cotto will earn him a shot at Floyd more deservinlgy than Paul beating Margo IMO.

Not about deserving. I am telling you now that I think Shane is old and Cotto just doesn't match up well against him.

This way no one can say I didn't say it BEFORE PBF fights Mosley if he wins. I have been saying Mosley was old before this fight and before the Collazo fight. I didn't think he looked great in the Collazo fight, just good....no better than Williams did against Margarito.

Amsterdam

09-09-2007, 08:42 PM

Hatton's not even a WW....

Exactly and he's at a tremendous stylistic disadvantage and that's the only reason he was selected out of the bunch of p4p ranked fighters.

This fight would have meant something in 2005, but now it means nothing.

kg0208

09-09-2007, 08:43 PM

if that should happen people on here would be yelling DUCK FOREVER!!!

on another note.....Floyd gotta fight the winner of Mosley - Coto....simply because it would be the best fight out there and ALL BOXING fans would want to see it.

Williams IMO is more of a stylistic problem than either Mosley or Cotto. And he is ranked #2 by Ring. If Mosley beats Cotto, they may move Williams to #1 for all we know.

It may not be fair or whatever, but thats how I see it. I would rather him fight a young lion than an old one.

chesh

09-09-2007, 08:44 PM

bigtime9

09-09-2007, 08:47 PM

Thats not fair towards Shane.. Shane convincingly beating Cotto will earn him a shot at Floyd more deservinlgy than Paul beating Margo IMO.

great post paul is not even on the radar unless he can unify with cintron. mosley beats cotto he becomes the #1 ranked ring welter and the wba champ. Floyd should only fight paul if he beats cintron for the IBF title. otherwise no sense in fighting a young guy like that with nothing on the line.

MSTR

09-09-2007, 08:47 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.
ROFL. Beating either a future HOF, and one of boxings elite in Mosley, who with a win over Cotto would be true p4p material. Or Cotto, an undefeated world champion in 2 divisions coming off the biggest win in his career, and possibly ranked in the p4p top 5 after a win over Mosley. Would love to hear how that would do nothing for his resume.

bigtime9

09-09-2007, 08:48 PM

That's right . Hatton is the better 140 pound fighter

if hatton was the best @ 140 why didn't he fight floyd at 140:rofl

igotJUIC3

09-09-2007, 08:49 PM

Williams IMO is more of a stylistic problem than either Mosley or Cotto. And he is ranked #2 by Ring. If Mosley beats Cotto, they may move Williams to #1 for all we know.

It may not be fair or whatever, but thats how I see it. I would rather him fight a young lion than an old one.

Paul is still Green to me.....i mean dont forget Margo was walking him down as he gased in the later...with PBF he defintely could not do that. I do see him posing a little problem but i dont think he would be able to hurt PBF and i think PBF would pursue him like he did Zab and with lots of pressure.

juancho214

09-09-2007, 08:49 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.
hatton at 147 means nothing compared to at 140,if he does beat winner of cotto mosley it would prove he is one of the best of all time

MSTR

09-09-2007, 08:49 PM

Williams IMO is more of a stylistic problem than either Mosley or Cotto. And he is ranked #2 by Ring. If Mosley beats Cotto, they may move Williams to #1 for all we know.

It may not be fair or whatever, but thats how I see it. I would rather him fight a young lion than an old one.
Cotto is a young lion, with the effective pressure and the work rate now at 147 to beat Mayweather. Mayweather is most hittable to the body, and thats exactly where Cotto will go against Mayweather. I think Cotto can succedd were De la Hoya did, with the difference being that Cotto is more active and more relentless.

standing 8

09-09-2007, 08:50 PM

If Mayweather retired again after his fight w/Hatton people will say that he ducked Mosely and Cotto and the debates would never end ..

I fully expect that Mayweather will fight the Mosely / Cotto winner just because of that reason, if he gets past Hatton.

juancho214

09-09-2007, 08:50 PM

paul williams would do nothing,hes tall and thats it ,oh unless you call the slaps he throws

kg0208

09-09-2007, 08:50 PM

Paul is still Green to me.....i mean dont forget Margo was walking him down as he gased in the later...with PBF he defintely could not do that. I do see him posing a little problem but i dont think he would be able to hurt PBF and i think PBF would pursue him like he did Zab and with lots of pressure.

PBF doesn't throw 60 punches per round or weigh 160 on fight night. He also doesn't hit as hard as Margo. Sure PBF should beat him, but Williams didn't gas enough not to throw a ton of punches in the 12th, and PBF's style is not going to wear down Williams. Entirely different fight.

bigtime9

09-09-2007, 08:51 PM

hatton at 147 means nothing compared to at 140,if he does beat winner of cotto mosley it would prove he is one of the best of all time

if floyd beats hatton at 147 it will prove who was the superior fighter at 140. it will also show why hatton ducked floyd at 140. 7lbs won't make a difference in determining the winner:deal

Imperial1

09-09-2007, 08:51 PM

I fully expect that Mayweather will fight the Mosely / Cotto winner just because of that reason, if he gets past Hatton.

I hope so ..Its what the fans deserve ...

kg0208

09-09-2007, 08:51 PM

Cotto is a young lion, with the effective pressure and the work rate now at 147 to beat Mayweather. Mayweather is most hittable to the body, and thats exactly where Cotto will go against Mayweather. I think Cotto can succedd were De la Hoya did, with the difference being that Cotto is more active and more relentless.

I think Cotto would end up like Castillo in the 2nd fight he had with PBF. Missing alot and frustrated. Everyone talks about the first Castillo fight as the way to beat PBF. No one remembers the 2nd one where he adjusted and showed he could handle that style.

standing 8

09-09-2007, 08:59 PM

kg0208

09-09-2007, 09:01 PM

That's because most boxing fans love to hate Mayweather. How did you score their first fight?

6-5-1 PBF 2 days ago.

standing 8

09-09-2007, 09:06 PM

I need to watch this fight again, I only seen the later rounds of the first fight. However I did watch the rematch and it was like night and day.

kg0208

09-09-2007, 09:10 PM

I need to watch this fight again, I only seen the later rounds of the first fight. However I did watch the rematch and it was like night and day.

It was...and I may be the only one who feels this way, but I think Cotto would end up like Castillo in the 2nd fight.

acb

09-09-2007, 09:14 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.
No he should fight some can!

I mean, why fight the best? Thats just for fighters who attend to their legacies. :good

PR Boxing Lore

09-09-2007, 09:33 PM

It was...and I may be the only one who feels this way, but I think Cotto would end up like Castillo in the 2nd fight.
Yes you are, Cotto is in no way similar to Castillo, Cotto can adapt very well in fights, cuts the ring a lot better, he is a southpaw, he's jab is way underrated and can cause a lot of problems to people who don't expect he has that kind of jab.That happened to Judah who was watching him coming in with the right hand and got his jab in the face.I clearly know Floyd isn't Zab but Cotto has a lot of tools he gets no credit for because he's such an aggressive fighter.People make a lot of reference of similarities to Cotto and Castillo because of their body attack but in no way are their styles similar and in no way I see a Cotto vs Floyd fight similar to Castillo vs Floyd 2.

MSTR

09-09-2007, 09:33 PM

I think Cotto would end up like Castillo in the 2nd fight he had with PBF. Missing alot and frustrated. Everyone talks about the first Castillo fight as the way to beat PBF. No one remembers the 2nd one where he adjusted and showed he could handle that style.
Cotto has quicker hands then Castillo though, and is a better combination puncher. And even in the second fight Mayweather showed that he had trouble with this style of fighter. I think he is in with a chance. Williams still presents a tonne of problems for mayweather style wise also though, which is why I heavily doubt they will ever fight each other.

jaycuban

09-09-2007, 09:57 PM

See if mayweather is succesfull in beating Hatton, i dont think he is going to fight the winner of cotto/mosley... simply because he has nothing to prove against those two, now if he does fight them there will be another fight around that he will have to put on his scheduele... so it will keep going and going, come on give the man his props

acb

09-09-2007, 10:02 PM

simply because he has nothing to prove against those two, now if he does fight them there will be another fight around that he will have to put on his scheduele... so it will keep going and going, come on give the man his props

This makes NO sense. Nothing to prove? How about, he is the better fighter than Shane or Cotto, or that he beats them head to head? Great fighters allways want to prove themselves against the best. For some reason, PBF fans believe that because he has the coolest jumprope video on UTUBE that he shouldnt have to. :-(

jaycuban

09-09-2007, 10:15 PM

This makes NO sense. Nothing to prove? How about, he is the better fighter than Shane or Cotto, or that he beats them head to head? Great fighters allways want to prove themselves against the best. For some reason, PBF fans believe that because he has the coolest jumprope video on UTUBE that he shouldnt have to. :-(

Believe me men he will have no need to fight them, after he beat de la hoya he said he had nothing else to prove and he was going to retire, then they said that people wanted him to fight the biggest name out there and that was Hatton... and now the fight is on, so if he wins to me he has nothing to prove, but go ahead il let you all continue hating

dave82

09-09-2007, 10:19 PM

Should PBF defeat Hatton in convincing fashion i will consider him an ATG. He doesn't need to fight the cotto/mosley winner, however it would be a great match up for the fans.

bigtime9

09-09-2007, 10:23 PM

Believe me men he will have no need to fight them, after he beat de la hoya he said he had nothing else to prove and he was going to retire, then they said that people wanted him to fight the biggest name out there and that was Hatton... and now the fight is on, so if he wins to me he has nothing to prove, but go ahead il let you all continue hating

so true, there will always be excuses, I mean imagine any fighter beating so many top guys in each weightclass still having something to prove. what didn't he prove by beating 5 champions all highly ranked by ring mag.:rofl

floyd doesn't need to fight the cotto/mosley winner but he will because that will shut up the haters permanently. I doubt anyone of them will be saying floyd ducked paul williams and kermit cintron and expect to be taking seriosuly. after beating the cotto/mosley winner.

the shits that try and use mosley's age will be left looking stupid since b-hop beat both trinidad and ocar at an advanced age.

ripcity

09-09-2007, 10:25 PM

Beating Hatton would improv his all time ranking, but he still needs to do more to be a lock for the top 10 all time pound for pound. Beating the winer of Cotto Mosley would make it almost imposible for his detractors to say he is not top 10 all time pound for pound.

the_what

09-09-2007, 10:28 PM

You're the king of idiotic threads.

MSTR

09-09-2007, 10:29 PM

You're the king of idiotic threads.
Agreed.

jaycuban

09-09-2007, 10:32 PM

You're the king of idiotic threads.

you seem to follow them very well, ive seen a few people say good post, so why would you thing i would care about your stupid opinion, you dont count men, let it go, youl be alright

the_what

09-09-2007, 10:33 PM

you seem to follow them very well, ive seen a few people say good post, so why would you thing i would care about your stupid opinion, you dont count men, let it go, youl be alright

What the fuck did you just say?

MSTR

09-09-2007, 10:38 PM

What the fuck did you just say?
Apparently you don't count men... Sounds pretty strange to me. Why on earth would anyone want to "count men" for. Maybe its his was of working out the odds of finding another lover.

kg0208

09-09-2007, 10:41 PM

Yes you are, Cotto is in no way similar to Castillo, Cotto can adapt very well in fights, cuts the ring a lot better, he is a southpaw, he's jab is way underrated and can cause a lot of problems to people who don't expect he has that kind of jab.That happened to Judah who was watching him coming in with the right hand and got his jab in the face.I clearly know Floyd isn't Zab but Cotto has a lot of tools he gets no credit for because he's such an aggressive fighter.People make a lot of reference of similarities to Cotto and Castillo because of their body attack but in no way are their styles similar and in no way I see a Cotto vs Floyd fight similar to Castillo vs Floyd 2.
I never said their styles were similar now did I? And clearly I am not the only one who thinks that PBF would simply box and move against Cotto and win just like he did Castillo. Don't read so much into what people say.

All I said is that people think that Castillo layed a blueprint to beat PBF (Pressure). And PBF adjusted to that style of fighting and beat him in the 2nd one. I never said that Cotto and Castillo fight alike. I was only saying that people think that Cotto applying pressure will help him beat PBF like it helped Castillo keep it close. PBF adjusted in the 2nd fight, and that counts for something.

samita

09-09-2007, 10:48 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.
see, thats exactly why he has to fight the winner of mosley/cotto since the hatton fight is absolutely ridiculous. everyone and their mama know floyd would beat the smaller overhyped hatton. theres no point of fighting hatton for mayweather because he's not much of a threat and its not going to prove shit. If he wants to further cement his legacy he should go against mosley or cotto, or even williams. but nah, your boy had to take the easiest fight available. goes to prove how much of a "warrior" mayweather is and how he didn't duck anyone.

PR Boxing Lore

09-09-2007, 10:56 PM

I never said their styles were similar now did I? And clearly I am not the only one who thinks that PBF would simply box and move against Cotto and win just like he did Castillo. Don't read so much into what people say.

All I said is that people think that Castillo layed a blueprint to beat PBF (Pressure). And PBF adjusted to that style of fighting and beat him in the 2nd one. I never said that Cotto and Castillo fight alike. I was only saying that people think that Cotto applying pressure will help him beat PBF like it helped Castillo keep it close. PBF adjusted in the 2nd fight, and that counts for something.
OK! :good

bigtime9

09-09-2007, 10:58 PM

theres no point of fighting hatton for mayweather because he's not much of a threat and its not going to prove shit. If he wants to further cement his legacy he should go against mosley or cotto, or even williams

so hatton is not a ring champ, or does being a ring champ mean nothing nowadays

samita

09-09-2007, 11:03 PM

so hatton is not a ring champ, or does being a ring champ mean nothing nowadays
ring champ at jw, not ww. and this fight is happening at ww and there are lots of better options at ww, why just hatton?

kg0208

09-09-2007, 11:06 PM

OK! :good

You assessment of Cotto being better at cutting off the ring is absolutely correct btw. Not sure how well that would work on PBF, but it would be interesting to see. Mosley won't need the ring cut off on him though, so this will be no indication.

PR Boxing Lore

09-09-2007, 11:16 PM

You assessment of Cotto being better at cutting off the ring is absolutely correct btw. Not sure how well that would work on PBF, but it would be interesting to see. Mosley won't need the ring cut off on him though, so this will be no indication.
You are right on with Mosley, btw I don't know if Cotto cutting the ring better will help him either:D

bigtime9

09-09-2007, 11:23 PM

ring champ at jw, not ww. and this fight is happening at ww and there are lots of better options at ww, why just hatton?

what do you mean why hatton? you were probably one of the people accusing floyd of ducking hatton at 140. this is unfinished business and if you haven't been following floyd's or hatton's career then you wouldn't understand what I just typed.

jaycuban

09-10-2007, 09:06 AM

Apparently you don't count men... Sounds pretty strange to me. Why on earth would anyone want to "count men" for. Maybe its his was of working out the odds of finding another lover.

so what are his bitch now ?

jaycuban

09-10-2007, 09:07 AM

What the fuck did you just say?

let me make it clear... YOUR OPINION DOSENT COUNT... YOU ARE STUPID

SugarShane_24

09-10-2007, 09:33 AM

Well, he could at least make for for lost time in which he fought guys like Phillip N'dou, a faded Mitchell and Judah, a mismatched Gatti and Henry Bruseles among others, by fighting guys who seems to possess legit threats to beat him.

C Money

09-10-2007, 12:45 PM

Floyd doesnt need to prove a damn thing!!! So say the groupies:lol:

Guess what??? When you talk that ATG, "best ever" type talk??

YOU DAMN SURE NEED TO BACK IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Floyd hasnt done it yet, and if he retires after Hatton?? He still hasnt!!!
Floyd needs to make his career statement at 147 and UNIFY/BEAT THE CHAMPIONS!!! You dont get credit for conjecture and specualtion:nono You get credit for results!!!

BTW, SSM, Cotto, and Williams would be the best opposition Floyd will have faced:yep Honestly?? All 3 have a chance of beating Floyd and thats what makes THOSE VICTORIES WORTHY AND OF LEGACY MERIT.

Let Floyd dod what the greats have done, lay it down, and leave the legacy of proof. Not hide behind a cherry picked, shiny, 0, with too many things left untested.

I cant stand floyd the man, but I'll respect Floyd the Champion WHEN HE PROVES HIS GREATNESS and not UNTIL!!!

BTW, Hatton was definitely one of the opponents floyd should be facing. It should have been at 40, but hey at least its happeneing. Step 1 in legitimizing his career.

In_FlaMeS

09-10-2007, 12:48 PM

Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard in my life
:lol: Yeah I like Mayweather but he has to face the winner of that fight for sure.

Thread Stealer

09-10-2007, 12:55 PM

There is not a single fight in boxing that I am fiending to see more than Floyd Mayweather Jr. against Miguel Cotto.

the_what

09-10-2007, 12:58 PM

let me make it clear... YOUR OPINION DOSENT COUNT... YOU ARE STUPID

And you're opinion is retarded. Only an idiot doesn't want to see Mayweather/Cotto or Mayweather/Mosley. Are you even a boxing fan?

Guru_Too_You

09-10-2007, 01:01 PM

I'm going to laugh my ass off when the bout is signed within a month.

There will be no bigger fight, and Mayweather has never ducked anyone, contrary to what most of his detractors suggest. The only one even close to a "duck" was Margarito, and Williams showed that Margarito isnt nearly what he's cracked up to be. Not to mention Floyd had 25 million reasons not to fight him anyways.

And I'm hard pressed to find more than just ambition_def and carlito who would favor Margarito, a former sparring partner of De La Hoya to beat DLH.

jaycuban

09-10-2007, 01:45 PM

And you're opinion is retarded. Only an idiot doesn't want to see Mayweather/Cotto or Mayweather/Mosley. Are you even a boxing fan?

stupid fuck the point is not if i want to see the fight or not, who dosent want to see a fight with 2 big names in it, the point is wether is going to happen or not, cause if it dosent happen I wont judge floyd for not taking it.

thewoo

09-10-2007, 01:49 PM

It really depends on what he chooses to do instead of fight the winner of Cotto Mosley. If he wants to retire, that's cool, if he takes on another meaningful fight, that's cool too. As long as he doesn't take on some scrub, whicH I don't expect him to do.

Thread Stealer

09-10-2007, 01:52 PM

Actually, he will have $12-15 million reasons to fight the winner:thumbsup

Well said.

Thread Stealer

09-10-2007, 01:54 PM

Thats why boxing is not as great as it used to be, its all about money, not who deserves the fight more

Stop with the nostalgic nonsense.

Boxing has always been a business, and always been about money.

Deserving challengers have been getting frozen out for decades.

PATSYS

09-10-2007, 02:06 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.

The winner of PBF-Hatton needs to fight the winner of Mosley-Cotto.

MacManJr.

09-10-2007, 03:07 PM

ring champ at jw, not ww. and this fight is happening at ww and there are lots of better options at ww, why just hatton?I didnt see anybody complaining when Floyd was at 140 and Hatton's camp said he wasn't ready. I also didnt see anybody complaining when Floyd had to go up to 154 to face Oscar.

Max Molyneux

09-10-2007, 03:21 PM

Floyd needs a WBA belt to add to his collection.

You cannot have 6 WBC belts and not have at least a WBA.

Caper

09-10-2007, 03:28 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.

I totally disagree.

In my opinion win, lose or draw Mosley and Cotto are a slight class above Hatton who is an excellent champion.

PBF must solidify his legacy by defeating all Champs at WW, anything less will leave to much for the critics to throw at him. Why not shut down all lines and leave the boxing community without a doubt.

Caper

09-10-2007, 03:32 PM

I didnt see anybody complaining when Floyd was at 140 and Hatton's camp said he wasn't ready. I also didnt see anybody complaining when Floyd had to go up to 154 to face Oscar.

PBF campaigns between the weights of 140 through 154 if he wants to be king he must clean out all champs at one weight class. He can pick any weight he likes but he must capture all belts before leaving the fight game, if he dosent he will be leaving with his career 3/4 full.

MacManJr.

09-10-2007, 03:47 PM

PBF campaigns between the weights of 140 through 154 if he wants to be king he must clean out all champs at one weight class. He can pick any weight he likes but he must capture all belts before leaving the fight game, if he dosent he will be leaving with his career 3/4 full.I won't argue with that but I'll never agree that he is a bigger man than Hatton. He started fighting at 130.

Caper

09-10-2007, 04:06 PM

I won't argue with that but I'll never agree that he is a bigger man than Hatton. He started fighting at 130.

PBF is taller but not bigger.....

Don't worry PBF is going to chop Hatton up over the course of the fight. I wont be surprised if PBF stops him.

Hatton's a tough SOB so you can really count him out. But I predict a PBF stoppage.

MacManJr.

09-10-2007, 04:08 PM

PBF is taller but not bigger.....

Don't worry PBF is going to chop Hatton up over the course of the fight. I wont be surprised if PBF stops him.

Hatton's a tough SOB so you can really count him out. But I predict a PBF stoppage.We agree yet again.

YOUNG*LORD

09-10-2007, 11:27 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.Holy shit!! This must be one of the stupidest post in a long time. Beating Hatton does not equal beating Cotto or Mosley. Hatton will not have the power at 147 that Cotto and Mosley has...please stop posting!

Fab2333

09-10-2007, 11:36 PM

41fever

09-10-2007, 11:41 PM

Beating any of those 2 will not prove anything that he hasent already proven after he beats Hatton.Who has he really beaten @WW? Baldomir hit the jackpot with an inconsistent ZAB! He went up to 54 and fought Winky? No, he must've fought a young, strong champion. Nope, he fought for $ against a promoter. However, DLH, isn't too bad, but he's def past his best years. I hope PBF goes to 140 and really makes a mark. I think the big boys at 47 will light him up.

BTW,
Williams fought MARGARITO
Cintron is on the uprise...
Mosley is fighting COTTO
Floyd fought Baldo f'n mere...forget the alphabet, fight the BEST!

tays001

09-10-2007, 11:44 PM

Wouldn't a fight with the winner of Cotto Mosley be for partial unification ?I think that would be reason enough !

unify for what pbf is the champ and the rest are contenders. pbf beat baldo who beat zab who beat cory who unified and became champ by winning all belt by unifying with mayorga:good

tays001

09-10-2007, 11:52 PM

Mayweather has no reason to fight because you guys will say Morsley was an old man,Floyd beat a 37yr old man and so it wasnt the Morsley of old,if its Cotto you will say we always knew Cotto was overhyped

so very true although i would like to see both fight and think both cotto and mosely have a chance a t beating PBF he doesn't have to fight the winner

bigtime9

09-11-2007, 12:24 AM

While I do agree with the thread starter about one point in no matter how many fights Floyd does, some people will never bee satisfied, and the excuses will come. Shane was past his prime. Cotto was overhyped, and Floyd was suppose to win. Etc. It goes on and on, thats boxing, and the fans that dont view things biased will appreciate and recognize Floyd for what he did. With that being said, that is no reason why Floyd shouldnt fight the winner of Cotto v Mosley. If he doesnt do that, that will just add another thing to the list for haters to criticize him for. A win over the winner of that fight would be big for Floyds legacy. He must fight the winner of that fight, no ? about that.

I agree to a degree. floyd is the ring champ. he doesn't have to unify 147 but I want to see him fight mosley/cotto winner just from a fan standpoint those two offer the biggest challenge to floyd at 147. beating hatton and then the winner of cotto/mosley will shut the haters up for ever:lol:

bigtime9

09-11-2007, 12:26 AM

so very true although i would like to see both fight and think both cotto and mosely have a chance a t beating PBF he doesn't have to fight the winner

I agree he doesn't have to fight the winner from a legacy standpoint but it would be the most lucrative fight for him. I don;t see floyd passing up 20+ to fight the winner of shane /cotto. that would push his earnings close to 80 million for 3 fights.

tays001

09-11-2007, 12:43 AM

I agree he doesn't have to fight the winner from a legacy standpoint but it would be the most lucrative fight for him. I don;t see floyd passing up 20+ to fight the winner of shane /cotto. that would push his earnings close to 80 million for 3 fights.

YEAH SO VERY TRUE BUT THE HATER THINK HE WILL AND DON'T UNDERSTAND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO

charlievint

09-11-2007, 11:52 AM

he could win his next 20 fights, you guys would still want to him to fight 21 cause their might be someone outhere that you guys think could finally defeat him.

Floyd is no doubt amazing and a rare talent but so was robinson who I think was better than Mayweather...Far better in terms of heart and determination.

Mayweather WINS b/c he is a smart fighter and his talent is pretty much un-match among his peers, but there are fighters who match up well against him and who CAN beat him on a good night. DLH almost beat Mayweather and Oscar is past it. Yes Floyd won but just barely.

Floyd fighting a guy like Paul Williams would be a true test...Paul is tall, fast and throws a lot of punches. I think Floyd pulls out a win but I think it would put Floyd in a postition where he's only been a couple of times...that's in a competitive fight. Paul's aggression and unrelenting style might be more than Floyd can handle, which might equal floyd's first loss.

You have to be more than just unrelenting to beat floyd...you have to have skills and use angles and I think Paul has those tools. Point is....its unlikely that anyone will be floyd in his prime, but VERY possible

C Money

09-11-2007, 02:25 PM

While I do agree with the thread starter about one point in no matter how many fights Floyd does, some people will never bee satisfied, and the excuses will come. Shane was past his prime. Cotto was overhyped, and Floyd was suppose to win. Etc. It goes on and on, thats boxing, and the fans that dont view things biased will appreciate and recognize Floyd for what he did. With that being said, that is no reason why Floyd shouldnt fight the winner of Cotto v Mosley. If he doesnt do that, that will just add another thing to the list for haters to criticize him for. A win over the winner of that fight would be big for Floyds legacy. He must fight the winner of that fight, no ? about that.

Sorry, but that's an EXCUSE Floyd fans contrive to avoid taking the real challenges. Cleaning out 47 would be a statement and is necessary from a legacy perspective if he wants real ATG status.

I'm one of Floyds biggest critics but would respect a defining statement at 47 against SSM, Cotto, and Williams after Hatton:good

Floyds problem is he cherry picks and makes excuses rather than facing the top opponents, and following you're statement would be more of the same:yep

Fab2333

09-11-2007, 02:41 PM

Sorry, but that's an EXCUSE Floyd fans contrive to avoid taking the real challenges. Cleaning out 47 would be a statement and is necessary from a legacy perspective if he wants real ATG status.

I'm one of Floyds biggest critics but would respect a defining statement at 47 against SSM, Cotto, and Williams after Hatton:good

Floyds problem is he cherry picks and makes excuses rather than facing the top opponents, and following you're statement would be more of the same:yep

Im not making excuses, I am agreeing with you. I want him 2 fight the winner of Cotto v Mosley, I just said I agreed with the thread starter to an xtent of that some people will never give him his rightful credit that he deserves.

C Money

09-11-2007, 02:46 PM

Im not making excuses, I am agreeing with you. I want him 2 fight the winner of Cotto v Mosley, I just said I agreed with the thread starter to an xtent of that some people will never give him his rightful credit that he deserves.

Nuff respect to you for wanting Floyd to prove himself:good

If Floyd does someday?? You'll watch my posts slap the sillyness out of those claiming he didnt:yep

I'll respect the results!! I will not ever respect speculation, conjecture, and assumption:nono

Fab2333

09-11-2007, 02:53 PM

Nuff respect to you for wanting Floyd to prove himself:good

If Floyd does someday?? You'll watch my posts slap the sillyness out of those claiming he didnt:yep

I'll respect the results!! I will not ever respect speculation, conjecture, and assumption:nono

of course, FLoyd would b foolish not to take on the winner, that fight would do wonders for his legacy, and there would b no xcusse about dollars b/c he would get paid what he is suppose 2 4 that fight. So there would b no xcuse not to fight the winner. If he didnt I would b highly dissapointed in him for doin that.

C Money

09-11-2007, 03:05 PM

of course, FLoyd would b foolish not to take on the winner, that fight would do wonders for his legacy, and there would b no xcusse about dollars b/c he would get paid what he is suppose 2 4 that fight. So there would b no xcuse not to fight the winner. If he didnt I would b highly dissapointed in him for doin that.

Not just THE winner but Williams and Cintron are still included as Champions at 147. IMO, PBF needs to UNIFY at least once.

SteveO

09-11-2007, 03:08 PM

Beating Hatton will prove that he beat...Hatton.

Beating Mosley will prove that he can beat...Mosley.

Beating Cotto will prove that he can beat...Cotto.

Beating Mike Smith who lives at the end of the block and talks to himself will prove etc.

The only way to know if Floyd would beat a fighter is if he beats that fighter.

Guru_Too_You

09-11-2007, 03:09 PM

Not just THE winner but Williams and Cintron are still included as Champions at 147. IMO, PBF needs to UNIFY at least once.

titlists.

PBF is the Champion.

Fab2333

09-11-2007, 03:11 PM

Not just THE winner but Williams and Cintron are still included as Champions at 147. IMO, PBF needs to UNIFY at least once.

yeah I agree with that, I love Floyd as a fighter, I kno peeople will have there hater ways. But f dat. Prove people wrong, he got the talent. I say just fight all the people that evry1 says you cant beat right now, at least the people that are high on the p4p list in the wleterweight division. And then he can say is there anyone else. If he beats the winner of Mosley v Cotto, He beats Cintron, and PW. 2 me he has nothin more 2 prove from there B/c he would have beaten the who's whoe of the welterweight division

C Money

09-11-2007, 03:13 PM

titlists.

PBF is the Champion.

Become a UNIFIED CHAMPION!!!

:yep :yep :yep

Something Floyd never has been. Also?? Floyd was mere titlist at 140, but you guy's still love that 5 division champ routine, no???:lol:

Fab2333

09-11-2007, 03:14 PM

If he didnt fight Cintron or PW. I as a fan would b dissapointed, b/c he could cement his legacy That would bring his resume waaaay up. But he still will b one fo my favorite fighters regardless. I respect what he has done u until this point. I hope other people will as well

C Money

09-11-2007, 03:16 PM

yeah I agree with that, I love Floyd as a fighter, I kno peeople will have there hater ways. But f dat. Prove people wrong, he got the talent. I say just fight all the people that evry1 says you cant beat right now, at least the people that are high on the p4p list in the wleterweight division. And then he can say is there anyone else. If he beats the winner of Mosley v Cotto, He beats Cintron, and PW. 2 me he has nothin more 2 prove from there B/c he would have beaten the who's whoe of the welterweight division

I dislike mayweather "the man" but I will respect Mayweather "the fighter" when he takes the top challenges and proves he is the best.

Many believe my agenda is just to hate on Floyd but thats not true!!! My agenda is to see the best fight the best and continue to see boxing grow and prosper:good

Many people didnt like SRL as a "man" back in the day, but how could they not respect him as a fighter??Floyd needs to walk the same path.

Fab2333

09-11-2007, 03:25 PM

I dislike mayweather "the man" but I will respect Mayweather "the fighter" when he takes the top challenges and proves he is the best.

Many believe my agenda is just to hate on Floyd but thats not true!!! My agenda is to see the best fight the best and continue to see boxing grow and prosper:good

Many people didnt like SRL as a "man" back in the day, but how could they not respect him as a fighter??Floyd needs to walk the same path.
Ok i can respect that