Ok, Why do so many people DON'T RATE Jermaine Taylor ?

[jaycuban]

I think he is one of todays great champions out there.

But ive seen alot of negative talk towards him here

[Boinko]

His last two fights have left a lot of us wondering. Some guys just plain hate him, so the Ouma and Spinks fights just added fuel to the fire.

He has a great chance to redeem himself against Pavlik. If Pavlik destroys him, then obviously his rep will plummet. But, should he pull out a convincing victory, even the haters will surely have to acknowledge his talent. (Well, there will be some who will claim Pavlik was all hype, but that's standard practice after any fight).

So, a lot of questions should be answered soon regarding his abilities.

Of course, the worst case scenario is that he wins a close, controversial decision. I'd rather see Jermain get KO'd than have to listen to the talk of robbery and conspiracies for the next year!

[kg0208]

I rate him. But he needs to win more convincingly.

[Amsterdam]

Because he's a pathetic champion that will not compete with any young, strong, hard hitting MW's and higher, yet he was touted as something along the lines of a top P4P champ and a future HOF level.

The controversial decisions don't help, neither do his pathetic performances against guys he should easily paste.

Fuck Jermain Taylor.

[box03]

I remember when I made the comment that he will be the one to take Hopkins middlewieght crown, then 2 years later it happend. The man is a good fighter with good skills, and I feel he will slug it out with Pavlik and win.

[Zakman]

It's those gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright!!!! :patsch

[Amsterdam]

It's those gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright!!!! :patsch

Not just that my man, ignoring the fact that a true future P4P elite MW would have had little trouble with either of them at that point.

He will not compete with any big, strong and young hitters, he's essentially over hyped trash with the athletic ability and trainer to compete with guys who do not carry the intangibles that would trouble his style, IE, Hopkins and Wright as elite examples.

Pavlik KO 5 and bye bye you glass jawed joke.:good

[the_what]

He lost to Hopkins and Wright. Looked like crap against Ouma and Spinks.

[box03]

It's those gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright!!!! :patsch I had all 3 of them fights really close, so in my opinion he had to be a pretty good boxer to have close fights with 2 all time greats. Wright and Hopkins should both know by now if you are so concerned about the judges making bad decisions maybe they should be a little more agressive and take out of the judges hands, you cant assume you will get the victory by avoiding punches and throwing a punch of your own here and there.

[Boinko]

I had all 3 of them fights really close, so in my opinion he had to be a pretty good boxer to have close fights with 2 all time greats. Wright and Hopkins should both know by now if you are so concerned about the judges making bad decisions maybe they should be a little more agressive and take out of the judges hands, you cant assume you will get the victory by avoiding punches and throwing a punch of your own here and there.

Heh, they definitely were very close decisions. As time has gone by, and the hate for Jermain has grown, suddenly all three of these fights were robberies!! ESB is chalk full of revisionists who rewrite history the way they wish it happened, and not the way it actually happened!

[jaycuban]

I think he is a pretty good champion, he has fought good competition and no one can say they have beaten him, I think Pavlik has no chance against him.

[box03]

Heh, they definitely were very close decisions. As time has gone by, and the hate for Jermain has grown, suddenly all three of these fights were robberies!! ESB is chalk full of revisionists who rewrite history the way they wish it happened, and not the way it actually happened! Im a huge Hopkins fan and I could honestly say he lost that first fight, I mean how do you expect to win a fight after losing the first 6 rounds. I had the Winky fight a draw the same way the judges had it, Winky didnt do enough in my opinion he avoided big punches and would have a flury here and there.

[Amsterdam]

I had all 3 of them fights really close, so in my opinion he had to be a pretty good boxer to have close fights with 2 all time greats. Wright and Hopkins should both know by now if you are so concerned about the judges making bad decisions maybe they should be a little more agressive and take out of the judges hands, you cant assume you will get the victory by avoiding punches and throwing a punch of your own here and there.

How the hell is Winky an ATG?

Let's not confuse P4P with 'ATG'. Please.

[box03]

How the hell is Winky an ATG?

Let's not confuse P4P with 'ATG'. Please. Maybe not now but possibly a future ATG.

[Jose FM]

I think he is a pretty good champion, he has fought good competition and no one can say they have beaten him, I think Pavlik has no chance against him.
Gawd man, the more i read your threads the more stupid you sound. No one can say they have beaten him? Are you serious? Hopkins, Wright & Spinks have all beat him. Officially he's got the victory, but in his last 5 fights hes gotten 2 spilts decisions, and a draw. The only fighter that hes beat is Ouma, and as the Middleweight champion his preformances have been pathetic at best.

[kg0208]

Because he didn't lose the first 6 . WTF did Taylor do to sweep the first 7 besides miss every punch he threw and get hit with the occasional counter ???

Hit Hopkins more than Hopkins hit him. Wasn't till later on when Hopkins caught up to Taylor and passed him in punch stats. Around the 10th round Hopkins had a big round outlanding him.

[box03]

Gawd man, the more i read your threads the more stupid you sounds. No one can say they have beaten him? Are you serious? Hopkins, Wright & Spinks have all beat him. Officially he's got the victory, but in his last 5 fights hes gotten 2 spilts decisions, and a draw. The only fighter that hes beat is Ouma, and as the Middleweight champion his preformances have been pathetic at best. While I agree with most of your threads this one I cant, while his last 4 fights were close they certainly werent losses. It really depends on how you score fights since all 4 went the judges, I feel Taylor was the aggressor in all of them so obviously judges take that into consideration. Taylors what like 27 and has already established a pretty good resume and its only building, beating Hopkins is no easy task close decision or not.

[the_what]

Hit Hopkins more than Hopkins hit him. Wasn't till later on when Hopkins caught up to Taylor and passed him in punch stats. Around the 10th round Hopkins had a big round outlanding him.

Hopkins punches were harder eventhough he threw less than Taylor in the the whole fight. I dont give Taylor points for missing and landing on Hopkins arms. Sorry. Quality over quantity.

[Amsterdam]

Maybe not now but possibly a future ATG.

Goddamnit.

Do you tools even realise that he's past his prime and slipping fast?

This is why I went from a respectful poster, to one that just doesn't care for the most part, idiocy, useless, ahhhh.

[kg0208]

Hopkins punches were harder eventhough he threw less than Taylor in the first 8 rounds. I dont give Taylor points for missing and landing on Hopkins arms. Sorry. Quality over quantity.

Then thats they way you view it. I don't think his punches were hard at all actually and I don't give a fighter credit for staring at the other fighter while he comes forward and throws.

[box03]

Because he didn't lose the first 6 . WTF did Taylor do to sweep the first 7 besides miss every punch he threw and get hit with the occasional counter ??? Hopkins lost the first fight 7 rounds to 5 it was fairly easy for me to judge, and I wanted Hopkins to win.

[lillarry]

How the hell is Winky an ATG?

Let's not confuse P4P with 'ATG'. Please.


In most boxing experts minds, he rates higher than the guy in your avatar. And he's not afraid to travel on foreign soil to compete unlike Calazaghe. :D

[Jose FM]

While I agree with most of your threads this one I cant, while his last 4 fights were close they certainly werent losses. It really depends on how you score fights since all 4 went the judges, I feel Taylor was the aggressor in all of them so obviously judges take that into consideration. Taylors what like 27 and has already established a pretty good resume and its only building, beating Hopkins is no easy task close decision or not.
Thats cool, i mean i guess it does come down to how you score fights, cause he just doesnt convince me that hes ever winning a fight.

[box03]

Goddamnit.

Do you tools even realise that he's past his prime and slipping fast?

This is why I went from a respectful poster, to one that just doesn't care for the most part, idiocy, useless, ahhhh. He could still fight name opponents and win, who says he cant hopkins has been doing it for the last 4 or so years. But Im sure Calazaghe is going to be ATG with his weak resume, theres someone who needs more significant wins before his career is over.

[Zakman]

Heh, they definitely were very close decisions. As time has gone by, and the hate for Jermain has grown, suddenly all three of these fights were robberies!! ESB is chalk full of revisionists who rewrite history the way they wish it happened, and not the way it actually happened!

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have been saying these were bogus decisions since Day One. Taylor would never have even "won" a title if it hadn't been for the power of HBO, and Hopkins' unpopularity with the boxing establishment. That he has "retained" it with further questionable calls only provides greater support for what many of us thought the night they stole Hopkins' title.:yep

[Amsterdam]

He could still fight name opponents and win, who says he cant hopkins has been doing it for the last 4 or so years. But Im sure Calazaghe is going to be ATG with his weak resume, theres someone who needs more significant wins before his career is over.

Here is a funny fact for all non-Calzaghe fans coming from me.

Calzaghe is not an ATG at this point.

Cool? And I never said he was, however, if you want to compare Wright's resume to Joe's, we can.

[kg0208]

He still landed the better punches . The whole fight , Not just the last 4 rounds . Taylor looked like a beat up idiot at the end of the fight . Good judgement ?

That he did, but that was at the END of the fight when Hopkins was landing at will.

I mean Wright looked more beat up at the end of the Taylor fight, and no one cares.

[Amsterdam]

In most boxing experts minds, he rates higher than the guy in your avatar. And he's not afraid to travel on foreign soil to compete unlike Calazaghe. :D

He rates no higher than Calzaghe, they could be compared evenly.

Neither are of the two can be rightfully considered ATG's. Ever since the Tito shutout, which was a mismatch at that point to begin with, Winky has been considered to be more of a fighter than he really is.

It's also a good point to bring up that you two are the only ones mentioning Calzaghe in this thread, nice retorts....

[Boinko]

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have been saying these were bogus decisions since Day One. Taylor would never have even "won" a title if it hadn't been for the power of HBO, and Hopkins' unpopularity with the boxing establishment. That he has "retained" it with further questionable calls only provides greater support for what many of us thought the night they stole Hopkins' title.:yep

As someone who scored the first fight for Taylor, there is no way it was a defnitive victory for Hopkins. He seriously hurt himself in those early rounds.
Just for the sake of argument, watch the fight and tell me if Lederman's card is totally off the mark. I think he was pretty bang on. It didn't reek of bias, it was an example of a closely judged fight that could have gone either way. I'm not asking you to agree with his card, but I can't say there is any particular round where he scored in Jermain's favour when it was clearly a Hopkins round.

As for the whole HBO conspiracy thing, anything is possible, but short of having any real proof your suspicions are nothing more than that.

[dragosuhail]

why do people dislike taylor?

i think it boils down to this:

taylor simply doesn't think like a champion. has champion level physical abilities etc. but just seems to lack that extra something. desire, ruthlessness, whatever you want to call it, he lacks it. and talking non stop about being in it for the money only doesn't help any.

look at my fave fighter wladimir. he has lost a few fights in embarrassing fashion, but why do i like him aside from his freakish physical talents, and ability at icing heavies with ease?

because of his desire. i saw his confidence go up and down over the years, but there was always that desire to seek and kill. despite his mental lapses, he WANTS to perform to his max potential. sames goes for many other fighters i could name, such as trinidad,
gatti/ward, frazier and so on.

[cuchulain]

He lost to Hopkins and Wright. Looked like crap against Ouma and Spinks.

No he didn't. You could look it up. He beat one and drew with the other.

I don't expect he will have much trouble with Pavlik. Then you can look that one up too (if you ever forget the result, I mean)

[jaycuban]

Gawd man, the more i read your threads the more stupid you sound. No one can say they have beaten him? Are you serious? Hopkins, Wright & Spinks have all beat him. Officially he's got the victory, but in his last 5 fights hes gotten 2 spilts decisions, and a draw. The only fighter that hes beat is Ouma, and as the Middleweight champion his preformances have been pathetic at best.


Dude you are an idot, realize it. (shuu get away)