'Jermain Taylor - The brutal truth'

[Amsterdam]

An observational piece by: A.V. Rosenkratz

It isn’t often in the sport of boxing where I find a fighter that I utterly dislike to unhealthy levels, but some things just go a route that a modest man can no longer handle.
With a fighter that reaches such a level of sickeningly awful proportions at the sport’s championship level and thereby showcasing some of its worst flaws within promotion, media and recognition, the disregard just began to stew inside me and soon enough it hit its prime and turned me into a permanent ‘hater’ as they say. There is nothing you can do about it either, except to keep observing both the medium and the target audience of the medium that laps up everything they are relayed down from the parasitic promotional elements that push a fraudulent display of ‘elite’ athletic disgrace.

This entire joke trip started well before I first saw the offensive subject in action back in 2004 and the fanboys were flying as high as a kite before the first bell rang. Needless to say, my first viewing of the abysmal one known as Jermain Taylor was not an experience that I remember from being impressed, in fact the experience had to be recalled from the very deep archives of my mind after the effects of the offensive end in subject destroying Daniel Edourd on the night of Hopkins vs. Eastman was shown in full by many of the sports most absurd and idiotic fans. Jermain Taylor showed incredible technical flaws on my first viewing and showed them against Edourd, but the entire establishment was already proclaiming him to be the ‘heir to the throne’ of Hopkins’ Middleweight domination. The true shameful elements did not pop out until the first two bouts with Bernard Hopkins were finished and I must say that they were both hysterical and unbelievable at the same token. I believe the worst part however is the fact that I wouldn’t even be writing this essay if the subject matter did not win a gold medal that entitled him to an automatic red carpet ride, HBO’s ovaries were rattling all the way since the first bell rang, it has been a furious shitstorm.

To save time, we will skip the obvious dubious decisions against Bernard Hopkins, who has become a stalling end as of late for the younger brackets wishing for P4P recognition, but who was jobbed out of two fights that were very evident 115-113 wins for him but that the boxing establishment accepted as ‘close fights that can go either way’, already a bad start. One thing to note is that if Hopkins were to have been rightfully given his victories, there would not be many who would question those decisions in the slightest, but what can you do sometimes? The two bouts supremely annoyed me to the utmost degree, especially how the boxing establishment accepted them.

Directly after those two bouts, the moronic ends were already proclaiming that Taylor may be a future ATG, ignoring his flaws and believing that he’s just some nice little boy from Arkansas and truly destined to do something special. Most really observant boxing fans spotted the issue’s with this disgrace well before the Hopkins bouts and noted that any future dominant champion is going to clearly knock off the aging champ that can no longer fire off like he once did, the fanboys though didn’t seem to notice because they don’t notice anything practical to begin with and always seem to be surprised at new results. I remember directly back to February 2006, a month before my personal favourite in Joe Calzaghe faced Jeff Lacy and 4 month before Taylor faced Ronald ‘Winky’ Wright, if we could only bring the threads up now and point fingers at fanboy parasite.

Taylor’s stuttering, insecure stance was all over the place and annoying me deeply, the immense dislike was beginning to bubble to the surface in knowing that this fraud was in one of the sport’s highest spots, was utterly incompetent at expressing himself and was totally overrated from every facet from a group of specific fans that are equivalent to green puke. But essentially they were proclaiming as the great proclaimers do and predicted that Taylor would blast out Winky Wright and then move up and fight Jeff Lacy after he got rid of an annoying, horrible fighter that he was about to face and that they would duke it out for P4P top 3 glory. It didn’t quite work out that way for these bozo’s I am afraid because one of them was brutally shutout and the other could not defeat his challenge, in fact, he lost quite clearly in my opinion yet again.

[Amsterdam]

So another gift in the hands of Jermain Taylor, more fuel to the fire of people who dislike his embarrassing stuttering goofball persona that makes a mockery of the sport and dislike the fact that he’s being avoided rightful losses against fighters at that point that any fighter that matched his hype at that point would be clearly defeating. You’d think that fans would catch on, but they don’t, they praise him for this. ‘Best competition in all of boxing’ it was. Prior to the Ouma fight, I doubt if these people even saw any flaw in this example’s game as a whole, they just blamed his short comings on the opponents class.

It was not until the Ouma fight where the same jokers that debate hard as if it’s a universal authority saw that Taylor lacked the ability to circle against a pressure fighter and saw that Taylor lacked true hitting power for a full sized Middleweight. Despite the fact that Kassim Ouma is nothing more than a B level Light Middleweight fighter with no defence, they praised Taylor for taking on such a ‘tough challenge’ for a tune up and most predicted him to win by knockout. It didn’t quite workout again I am afraid, boo hoo. Then Taylor and DiBella stated their intentions and that they were to make the most possible, Taylor specifically stated that it was for his ‘kids, kids, kids’. The offer from team Calzaghe comes in for 6-7 million dollars initially and gigantic international fight that would be contested in Las Vegas and it was not an option. Taylor apologist scum finally admitted that Taylor has virtually no chance in moving up to Super Middleweight and fighting the best there, but they still ranked this joke P4P and Taylor’s true persona was coming out more and more for everyone to see.

Of course, pointing out that Jermain Taylor and camp want no part of Calzaghe at any point is just Calzaghe fanboyism in the eyes of jackass apologist toilet bacteria, but a portion of it had to be stated because it is relevant to where the nasty subject in question stands within the real P4P rankings. It is utterly disgraceful when you are in a position of great financial opportunity for other fighters to not seek out the best when you can get it, next bout up, Light Middleweight Cory Spinks. As usual, Taylor struggled where a true P4P Middle would not and on my card earned himself a draw against a fighter who was sparked out by Zab Judah at Welterweight and should have lost a decision to smaller and avoided Roman Karmazin at Light Middleweight. Sorry to say, but Cory Spinks is not something that should trouble an elite Middleweight of large size and Taylor manages to struggle with him and win himself a split decision in a horrible fight that ought to have ended early. Taylor’s comments after the bout made me sick to my stomach, the swine.

Only then did the majority of boxing fans see his true limitations first hand and only then do they realize that they were wrong about him but they will never admit it outright and will playoff that he was always a hype job after Kelly Pavlik knocks him right the fuck out on September 29th. I fucking hate Jermain Taylor and the corrupt establishment that he represents in the fullest degree, meanwhile so much skill and talent is lost within the unknown chapters of the sport and one of our best divisions has been shit on by this parasitic promotional allowance, media based upon lies and regarded awarded for poor performances, not to mention a joke of an insecure rat as the placebo.

Jermain Taylor is a monument of everything disgusting that currently resides within the sport of boxing, he is a parasite and his promotional backing is worse, it’s good to know that he will be destroyed soon enough but it doesn’t take away the two years of agony between all of these meaningless factors.

[Amsterdam]

I cant fucking read any of that. Change the font color. Highlighting it isnt even working

Most of us use the black and gold set up.

[Boinko]

Holy shit dude. That much anger in regards to something as trivial as one particular boxer isn't healthy.

[Chileno606]

Taylor will destroy Pavlik.

[Amsterdam]

Holy shit dude. That much anger in regards to something as trivial as one particular boxer isn't healthy.

Yes, I know this, it's awful, but it's Taylor's fault and his parasite promotion.

Anyway, did you like the essay?:D

[Boinko]

Yes, I know this, it's awful, but it's Taylor's fault and his parasite promotion.

Anyway, did you like the essay?:D

Gotta be honest. I'm not a big fan of propoganda one way or the other. When something reeks of such incredible bias, it's very hard to take it seriously.

But, as an angry, balls to the wall op-ed piece, it's OK!

[Zakman]

Jermain Taylor is a monument of everything disgusting that currently resides within the sport of boxing, he is a parasite and his promotional backing is worse, it’s good to know that he will be destroyed soon enough but it doesn’t take away the two years of agony between all of these meaningless factors.

Exactly. One of the thing that so many of the Taylor apologists simply don't get is how outraged many of us are at the corruption that has accounted for Taylor's rise. That they took the title from an ATG champ like Hopkins unjustly has only been confirmed by the subsequent gifts Taylor has received, and the "play-it-safe" approach his handlers took after that in picking light-hitting fighters moving up from lower weights.

Taylor is a FRAUD, and Pavlik is gonna expose him, brutally. Can't wait!!:happy:happy

[Thor]

Keep talking haters, keep talking....

[brooklyn1550]

I respect Taylor a lot and I think he gets too much shit. It's not JT who is scoring the fights and just because he hasn't lived up to the hype doesn't change the fact that he has faced some excellent fighters - 2 great fighters - and held his own. The guy gets in the ring and fights - you have to respect that.

With that being said, he will be knocked out on the 29th

[Illmatic]

the brutal truth...


undisputed middleweight champion

[Boinko]

Exactly. One of the thing that so many of the Taylor apologists simply don't get is how outraged many of us are at the corruption that has accounted for Taylor's rise.

Yawn. And one thing you don't get is that saying something over and over doesn't make it true.
I'll ask again, do you have any proof of these claims outside of your own paranoid suspicions.

[Amsterdam]

the brutal truth...


undisputed middleweight champion

You got that right mate, hearing that this fraud is boxing's current undisputed MW champ is complete brutality to my ears.

:barf

[kg0208]

You got that right mate, hearing that this fraud is boxing's current undisputed MW champ is complete brutality to my ears.

:barf

How is he a fraud?

[lillarry]

:patsch :nut :patsch :nut :rofl :rofl

[Fedor Em]

the brutal truth...


undisputed middleweight champion

Exactly, Jermain Taylor gets shitted on a lot(Amsterdam, Zakman) but he always makes big fights happen (Hopkins twice, Winky, Ouma, Pav). Fighters have never been ROBBED when they lost or drew with Taylor either. You can make a STRONG case for 7 rounds going to Taylor in both Hopkins fights, and 6-7 against Winky as well. People are acting like he defends his titles Whitaker-Ramirez style.

[Dekkers]

Not 100% sure who's going to win, but go Pavlik, Taylor isn't the right man to wear the crown of undisputed middleweight champion. If the yanks want to back someone they should back Dawson, Dawson is a better fighter P4P than Taylor, Diaconu is also great defence, looking forward to that one and seeing those guys in future.

[Zakman]

Yawn. And one thing you don't get is that saying something over and over doesn't make it true.
I'll ask again, do you have any proof of these claims outside of your own paranoid suspicions.

Proof. Well, let's see. There is a longstanding tradition in boxing that you've gotta TAKE the title from the champion - that is, beat him in a CLEAR and CONVINCING manner. Ordinarily, in a close fight - and this was certainly that - the benefit of the doubt is gonna go to the defending champion. This should be even moreso the case in the instance of such a longstanding champ as Hopkins.

Yet, curiously, all of this tradition was thrown out the window in this fight. Instead, the benefit of the doubt from the officials went to the CHALLENGER, not the champion. Why? Well, HBO had invested a LOT of money in their latest "golden boy" and they wanted it to pay off. Just as potent was the longstanding dislike of the boxing establishment for Hopkins. Bernard spoke truth to power - and the powers that be didn't like that. This, combined with the desire of THE most POWERFUL television entity in the sport to have their investment pay off sealed the deal.

The subsequent questionable decisions against Hopkins and Wright just added icing on the cake.

[brooklyn1550]

You could make a case he won all 2 Hopkins and the Wright fight 115-113.

[Amsterdam]

How is he a fraud?

The subject of the thread describes this.

[Fedor Em]

You could make a case he won all 2 Hopkins and the Wright fight 115-113.

He did win the Hopkins fights, and I hate to say that cause Hops is my favorite fighter of this generation, but Bernard didn't start throwing til about the 7th round in each fight. I scored the Winky fight even the first time I saw it and 7-5 Wright the 2nd time, but hardly a robbery.

[Zakman]

How is he a fraud?

Uh, the gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright?? :yep Fighting light-hitting small fighters instead of legitimate middleweights??:patsch

Have you been following boxing since HBO installed this poser as "champion??":huh

[kg0208]

The subject of the thread describes this.

No, the subject of the thread describes how others view things that have HAPPENED to Taylor or about things Taylor has done or not done. There is nothing in this thread from you about how Taylor himself has done anything wrong.

[kg0208]

Uh, the gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright?? :yep Fighting light-hitting small fighters instead of legitimate middleweights??:patsch

Have you been following boxing since HBO installed this poser as "champion??":huh

I don't care about conspiracy theories Zakman. Prove it or I won't bother with it.

Did Taylor judge his own fights? No....the judges would be frauds in your scenario.

Is fighting smaller fighters at MW unusual? Or ANY weight class? No....if this is your logic, nearly everyone is a fraud.

So I ask again...how is TAYLOR a fraud. Not the decisions or HBO which is what you two are on about.

[Dekkers]

So I ask again...how is TAYLOR a fraud. Not the decisions or HBO which is what you two are on about.

What if they rephrase it to, "Taylor is good guy, but outside influences and his qualities as a fighter have turned him into a 'cheese champion'?" :think

[Fedor Em]

Uh, the gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright?? :yep Fighting light-hitting small fighters instead of legitimate middleweights??:patsch

Have you been following boxing since HBO installed this poser as "champion??":huh

Your hatred for Taylor is blinding you, I really don't see how you can possibly give Bernard more than 5-6 rounds of their fights. He might have lost the Winky fight but it was no robbery.

So fighting the best Middleweight in at least 20 years, the best Juniormiddle of the last decade, Ouma, Spinks (I know but hell every fighter takes a tune up), and about to take on a HUGE middleweight puncher in Pavlik isn't good enough competition? One could argue that his level of competation has be better than ANY OTHER FIGHTER in boxing today over the last 5-6 fights.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Yes, I know this, it's awful, but it's Taylor's fault and his parasite promotion.

Anyway, did you like the essay?:D

How is it Taylor's fault? He's not the judge or HBO...

For someone who claims high intelligence you're awful petty...

[Zakman]

So I ask again...how is TAYLOR a fraud. Not the decisions or HBO which is what you two are on about.

Because he's not as good as the hypemeisters at HBO make out. He wasn't good enough to clearly beat Hopkins - and without the HBO influence, and Hopkins unpopularity, he wouldn't have "won" the title.

Is this his fault? Not really - in many ways he's just a pawn. But, for better or worse, he's the front man for this corruption, and while it's the corruption I don't like, in order for this blemish to be corrected, Taylor's gotta go.

Luckily, we have an exciting young powerpuncher named Kelly Pavlik who's gonna EMPHATICALLY remove this cloud from the MW division.

I, for one, can't wait!!:happy

[kg0208]

Because he's not as good as the hypemeisters at HBO make out. He wasn't good enough to clearly beat Hopkins - and without the HBO influence, and Hopkins unpopularity, he wouldn't have "won" the title.

Is this his fault? Not really - in many ways he's just a pawn. But, for better or worse, he's the front man for this corruption, and while it's the corruption I don't like, in order for this blemish to be corrected, Taylor's gotta go.

Luckily, we have an exciting young powerpuncher named Kelly Pavlik who's gonna EMPHATICALLY remove this cloud from the MW division.

I, for one, can't wait!!:happy

Again, this doesn't make Taylor a fraud. You are talking about HBO.

[brooklyn1550]

Jermain Taylor just fights and he fights excellent competition (Marquez, Joppy, Hopkins x 2, Wright, Ouma, Spinks, Pavlik). He doesn't judge his fights and he doesn't say "hype me up."

[Dekkers]

Taylor looks beatable, all the top guys at 168 want a piece of Taylor (proably wouldn't mind Hops either), less risk, loads of reward.

[Boinko]

Proof. Well, let's see. There is a longstanding tradition in boxing that you've gotta TAKE the title from the champion - that is, beat him in a CLEAR and CONVINCING manner. Ordinarily, in a close fight - and this was certainly that - the benefit of the doubt is gonna go to the defending champion. This should be even moreso the case in the instance of such a longstanding champ as Hopkins.

Holy shit Zak! You're actually admitting it was a close fight. So close that it could have gone either way?
Cause you see, this whole "longstanding tradition" about the champion getting the benefit of the doubt is not an actual rule. No judge is obligated to honor it.
I think that such a "tradition" is incredibly stupid and would leave the door open for even more problems in scoring.
Would you have a problem if a judge said after a fight in a close decision "I thought the challenger won the last round handily, but I gave it to the champ because the fight was so close."
Now, you'll probably say that is a bad example, but is it really? If you insist an unwritten rule should be followed that gives an edge to the champ in close fights, then you are leaving it open to intrepretation by the judges. And that's dangerous in a sport that is already inherently subjective in the way it's judged.
If a judge believes a round is too close to call, I'd much rather see it scored 10-10, instead of it given to the champ by default.

Besides, wouldn't logic then follow that Taylor deserved the decision in the 2nd fight since he was the champ and it was a close fight. Or were we obligated to ignore the longstanding tradition since the first fight was controversial.
And how about all these so called championship bouts in a sport that is littered with title holders. Do all these champions get the nod in close fights. Did you think John Ruiz should have been given the benefit of the doubt in his third fight with Holyfield simply because Ruiz was the champ.
Heh, I'm sure you have a reason why this unwritten rule didn't count in that particular instance.
By advocating that a champ deserves the edge simply because he is the champ is basically advocating unfair judging.

Yet, curiously, all of this tradition was thrown out the window in this fight. Instead, the benefit of the doubt from the officials went to the CHALLENGER, not the champion.
On two of the three judges cards. It easily could have been one of the three. The simple fact that you acknowledge the fight was so close that "benefit of the doubt" might have come into play makes me think your claims that this fight was a definitive win for Hopkins to be very suspect. Everything you said in this post so far indicates you know it was a close fight. And the only defense you have mounted is invoking a longstanding tradition that doesn't actual exist in the rulebook.


Why? Well, HBO had invested a LOT of money in their latest "golden boy" and they wanted it to pay off. Just as potent was the longstanding dislike of the boxing establishment for Hopkins. Bernard spoke truth to power - and the powers that be didn't like that. This, combined with the desire of THE most POWERFUL television entity in the sport to have their investment pay off sealed the deal.
Again, you are not providing proof. You are basing your comments on suspicions.
Y'know, the same way people claim with certainty that Holyfield did steroids based on their suspicions, while you demand rock solid proof.

How come when the topic involves Jermain Taylor's supposed gift decisions, you let the burden of proof become so lax?

I'm not saying it isn't possible that you are correct in your suspicions, but simply repeating them over and over like they are fact doesn't make them so. Actual proof is what makes them fact.

The subsequent questionable decisions against Hopkins and Wright just added icing on the cake.

Also very close fights, and by no means bad decisions.

As I mentioned before, go through the first Hopkins and Taylor fight and let me know which rounds Lederman gave to Taylor that were most certainly rounds that should have went to Hopkins.
I'm not saying that he is the end all be all, but I'm using him as an example in this case because I happened to score their first fight exactly like he did (writing down my score before I heard what he scored the round - not afterward!)

[Lance_Uppercut]

Exactly. One of the thing that so many of the Taylor apologists simply don't get is how outraged many of us are at the corruption that has accounted for Taylor's rise. That they took the title from an ATG champ like Hopkins unjustly has only been confirmed by the subsequent gifts Taylor has received, and the "play-it-safe" approach his handlers took after that in picking light-hitting fighters moving up from lower weights.

Taylor is a FRAUD, and Pavlik is gonna expose him, brutally. Can't wait!!:happy:happy

Stop putting money into HBO Zak. Don't ever give money for their PPV's either. You're only adding to their corruption.

[Boinko]

Stop putting money into HBO Zak. Don't ever give money for their PPV's either. You're only adding to their corruption.

Good point. The only logical thing to do when faced with such a corrupt organization is to boycott them.
It's a small price to pay for sticking up for one's ideals.