Pacquiao can be another Sugar Ray Robinson...Roach

[PacDbest]

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Roach told Viva Sports/Manila Standard Today going into this past weekend that he told Pacquiao he “could be as great as Sugar Ray Robinson if he concentrates, uses that speed, uses both hands and puts combinations together.”

The Coach Roach has Spoken again!!! If you look at Freddie's quote on Pacquiao on all HBO fights he's had, it seems all the things he said about Pacquiao came into Reality.

Here's some of Roach quote in the Past:

Ledwaba Fight: "He can't Handle Manny's FirePower!!!"

After Lucero Fight: " Pac is a Threat To KNockout both Erik Morales & Marco Antonio Barrera!!"

I have the same belief that Pac will end up as One of the All time Greats. And Roach Solidifies That Belief.

Here's my projected Path for Pac:
At 130:

Barrera
Marquez
Guzman
Linares(title holder by this time)

At 135
Diaz/Casamayor
Katsidis
Valero(more accomplished by this time) Site Macau/Dubai

At this point Pac Probably Dominated These Fighters:

Then Call Mayweather/ Hatton at 140/147

ATG for sure!!!

[WhataRock]

I dont think you will see someone winning titles from flyweight to superfeather for sometime.

Pac is one of the best of this era without a doubt.

[thai-hardhitter972]

Katsidis is way too big for pac

[bulakenyo]

Here's my projected Path for Pac:
At 130:

Barrera
Marquez
Guzman
Linares(title holder by this time)




yes, yes, yes. :good



At 135
Diaz/Casamayor
Katsidis
Valero(more accomplished by this time) Site Macau/Dubai

At this point Pac Probably Dominated These Fighters:

Then Call Mayweather/ Hatton at 140/147



No, no, no. :nono


ATG for sure!!!


Yes, yes, yes.

[PacDbest]

yes, yes, yes. :good




No, no, no. :nono

Pac has to take that Path to be called a modern Day Robinson. Robinson in his time is the undisputed P4P Fighter. Right Now we are Debating everyday if it's Pac or Floyd. Why don't they Prove it in the ring? Pac & Floyd fighting weights are only separated only by 8 lbs.

[PacDbest]

Katsidis is way too big for pac

Amonsot last fought at 130 before fighting Katsidis & give him Hell. I've seen Katsidis at The world cup, he's not that Big.

[ThePlugInBabies]

floyd-pacman would be an absolute schooling

hatton-pac would be a brutal beatdown

you have to be out of your mind to think he should call these two out, he'd get smashed, although it wouldn't be a fair reflection of his ability, just too small.

[PacDbest]

floyd-pacman would be an absolute schooling

hatton-pac would be a brutal beatdown

you have to be out of your mind to think he should call these two out, he'd get smashed, although it wouldn't be a fair reflection of his ability, just too small.

Pac will call hatton & PBF only if he's still dominating The Lightweights. If he struggled with Diaz & Katsidis, he needs to end his reign at 135. It will still be enough to be with the All time Greats.

[codeman99998]

Nice post... from a guy named PacDBest... lol.

Umm, yeah, if Pac beat Mayweather and Hatton, I'd consider him one of the greatest of all time. I can't imagine that being possible at all. Both would KO him I believe, he's too small.

[PacDbest]

Nice post... from a guy named PacDBest... lol.

Umm, yeah, if Pac beat Mayweather and Hatton, I'd consider him one of the greatest of all time. I can't imagine that being possible at all. Both would KO him I believe, he's too small.

Nobody believe before when Pac was still fighting at 122 that he will KO both MAB & EM. Now at 130 lbs Pac's Power & Speed are still Devastating. Name a Fighter today that Carry his Power within 7 weight division Span???

We all know Floyd's Power stops at 135. We already Know Hatton's Power is no good at 147. While Pac's Power nowadays are too much for any 130 pounder(Granite Chin or Bum).

[PacDbest]

Here's my projected Path for Pac:
At 130:

Barrera
Marquez
Guzman
Linares(title holder by this time)

At 135
Diaz/Casamayor
Katsidis
Valero(more accomplished by this time) Site Macau/Dubai
At this point Pac Probably Dominated These Fighters:

Then Call Mayweather/ Hatton at 140/147


On thing I Noticed in my list from 130-135, All those Guys Vocally called Pac for a Fight. When was the last time Pac Called a Fighter???? When He was still at 122 he Challenged Ayala, MAB & EM. This is the reason I said that if Pac beat all those 130-135 fighters there'll be nothing left for him to call but PBF & Hatton.

[theunderdog]

katsidis ain't too bog for pac. but he really should clean out 130 first before thinking of moving. i have always cringed when i think about the weight classes that pac jumped. he could very well be a 6 division champ by now. 112, 115, 118, 122, 126, 130. but there is no use crying over spilled milk, i know. so the best he can do now is to clean out 130 to leave a lasting impression in boxing

[knockout]

yup try to clean out the rest of the divison is the best bet.

[brooklyn1550]

I'm not sure how he does at 135 - he can probably win a belt. At 130, I think he will beat MAB first, then JMM, then Guzman/Soto, then Valero, then Linares. He will be an ATG in my opinion.

[theunderdog]

Your 7 class weight devision span is total about 15 pounds over years and years, 3 pounds between these jone divisions LOL

Pac has a glass body and was KOed in 3 rounds twice

it's still 7 divisions boy. don't hate the player. hate the game.

a glass body? please. so he was ko'd once with a shot to the body. big deal. are you also saying that jose luis castillo or jhonny gonzales has a glass body? a [perfect punch to the body can knockout any fighter. and pac's loss is already ancient history dude. where are the fighters who ko'd him? nowhere to be found. where is pac now? #2, right behind pbf. i think his early ko losses are already paid for

[Marnoff]

I have the same belief that Pac will end up as One of the All time Greats. And Roach Solidifies That Belief.

Roach agreeing with you doesn't "solidify" anything. One opinion supporting another doesn't make anything solid or true.

[Marnoff]

floyd-pacman would be an absolute schooling

hatton-pac would be a brutal beatdown

Yep, both put some hurt on Pacquaio. He has next to no chance to win either of these.

[Spitfire7]

Interesting paths but highly unlikely, given Pac's present size. Unless he takes steroids.:D

[knockout]

Interesting paths but highly unlikely, given Pac's present size. Unless he takes steroids.:DBut still with the weight gain his stamina wont be the same along with the hand speed.:patsch

[Spitfire7]

But still with the weight gain his stamina wont be the same along with the hand speed.:patsch

Same as gulping a ton of supersized McDos.:D

[knockout]

Yup!:smoke btw nice avater.

[SugarShane_24]

Well, a future ATG is the best way to put it.


The next SRR is a bit of a stretch.


No one, IMO, no one can compare to SRR.

[dangerousity]

Well, a future ATG is the best way to put it.


The next SRR is a bit of a stretch.


No one, IMO, no one can compare to SRR.

RJJ & Floyd IMO had they had the balls and the hunger to create a legacy bigger than SRR would have been capable.

As for Pac's early losses, bit stupid bringing them up considerin how much hes changed since then. Armstrong lost his first 3 fights yet hes considered top 3 p4p by most, Hopkins lost his 1st fight too. Pac's weight jump is also more like 25lb than 15lb...which is huge for a guy of Pac's size. People complained about Larios being too small jumping up to fight Pac, people say Hattons jump 1 division up is too big for him..

[SugarShane_24]

RJJ & Floyd IMO had they had the balls and the hunger to create a legacy bigger than SRR would have been capable.

As for Pac's early losses, bit stupid bringing them up considerin how much hes changed since then. Armstrong lost his first 3 fights yet hes considered top 3 p4p by most, Hopkins lost his 1st fight too. Pac's weight jump is also more like 25lb than 15lb...which is huge for a guy of Pac's size. People complained about Larios being too small jumping up to fight Pac, people say Hattons jump 1 division up is too big for him..

I have to agree. Well, as they usually say, you can't have 'em all. You may have all the talents, but the biggest balls belong to another guy.

As for Pac, well, I wonder why bringing up past (and to think really way behind) defeats to at least have an argument. Well Arguello was KO'd on his pro debut in 1 round, yet no one said "Olivarez will KO Arguello because he lost by KO on his pro debut." That's just emotions talking.

[kg0208]

RJJ & Floyd IMO had they had the balls and the hunger to create a legacy bigger than SRR would have been capable.

As for Pac's early losses, bit stupid bringing them up considerin how much hes changed since then. Armstrong lost his first 3 fights yet hes considered top 3 p4p by most, Hopkins lost his 1st fight too. Pac's weight jump is also more like 25lb than 15lb...which is huge for a guy of Pac's size. People complained about Larios being too small jumping up to fight Pac, people say Hattons jump 1 division up is too big for him..

There is a huge difference between a 16 yr old starting at 106 or whatever and moving up because his body is growing than a fighter who has been at a weight class for years jumping up 2 weight classes.

[Executioner]

Seeing Pac's name in the same sentence as SRR makes me want to rip my eyeballs out of my head and stomp on them

[johnco]

Seeing Pac's name in the same sentence as SRR makes me want to rip my eyeballs out of my head and stomp on them

go rip your eyeballs..... :rofl:rofl:rofl
it just because pac has been whooping your heroes... that is the syndrome. you cant stand the fact :yep
but seeing bhops fight in ppv wants me to throw my plasma.... :rofl:rofl
bear hug, head butt, hit, and and 10k run :lol::lol:

[PacDbest]

Well, a future ATG is the best way to put it.


The next SRR is a bit of a stretch.


No one, IMO, no one can compare to SRR.

Record wise I don't think Pac compares, But Greatness wise He has the Chance. In SRR Days they fought more often coz there are no PPV & TV is in infancy. The only way they can make make Money is Live gate & fight often. Greatness are measured on how did you do against the best Fighters on your era. SRR annihilates most of the best in his Era, on Multiple Divisions, but also has some setbacks.

Pac is doing the same thing Nowadays only he fights less often. But everybody else on this era Fought the same number of fights/year(3-4). Pac is a more busier fighter, Fought almost all the best in his weightclass than the so called #1 P4P PBF. Pac is not at SRR level yet but he has the Chance to join him there. At 135 below Pac has all winnable fights. That's why I really want to know how he will do against PBF/Hatton(both small welterweights anyway).

[PacDbest]

Seeing Pac's name in the same sentence as SRR makes me want to rip my eyeballs out of my head and stomp on them

How did you feel when Floyd said He is the Greatest & better fighter than SRR, SRL & Ali???

[PolishPummler]

Record wise I don't think Pac compares, But Greatness wise He has the Chance. In SRR Days they fought more often coz there are no PPV & TV is in infancy. The only way they can make make Money is Live gate & fight often. Greatness are measured on how did you do against the best Fighters on your era. SRR annihilates most of the best in his Era, on Multiple Divisions, but also has some setbacks.

Pac is doing the same thing Nowadays only he fights less often. But everybody else on this era Fought the same number of fights/year(3-4). Pac is a more busier fighter, Fought almost all the best in his weightclass than the so called #1 P4P PBF. Pac is not at SRR level yet but he has the Chance to join him there. At 135 below Pac has all winnable fights. That's why I really want to know how he will do against PBF/Hatton(both small welterweights anyway).

You fail to mention that the one PRIME good fighter he faced fought him to a draw.

[kg0208]

Record wise I don't think Pac compares, But Greatness wise He has the Chance. In SRR Days they fought more often coz there are no PPV & TV is in infancy. The only way they can make make Money is Live gate & fight often. Greatness are measured on how did you do against the best Fighters on your era. SRR annihilates most of the best in his Era, on Multiple Divisions, but also has some setbacks.

Pac is doing the same thing Nowadays only he fights less often. But everybody else on this era Fought the same number of fights/year(3-4). Pac is a more busier fighter, Fought almost all the best in his weightclass than the so called #1 P4P PBF. Pac is not at SRR level yet but he has the Chance to join him there. At 135 below Pac has all winnable fights. That's why I really want to know how he will do against PBF/Hatton(both small welterweights anyway).

Please stop saying this. Since he has moved up to 130, Pacman hasn't even fought a belt holder. And Solis and Larios are not anywhere near the best in his weight class. He has fought only one top 10 fighter at 130. Soto, Guzman, Valero, JMM, etc....come on. He has not fought almost all the best of his weight class.

[kg0208]

How did you feel when Floyd said He is the Greatest & better fighter than SRR, SRL & Ali???

The same way. Neither is anywhere near that level of greatness. But this is not about PBF.

If Pacman did all you think he can do, sure he would be on that level. Greb would still have a better resume though.

[PolishPummler]

Please stop saying this. Since he has moved up to 130, Pacman hasn't even fought a belt holder. And Solis and Larios are not anywhere near the best in his weight class. He has fought only one top 10 fighter at 130. Soto, Guzman, Valero, JMM, etc....come on. He has not fought almost all the best of his weight class.

Morales-coming off of a loss
Larios-coming off of a loss
Barrera II-coming off of a loss
3kBattery=coming off of a draw

Love Pacman but i love bringing Pinoy's back down to earth more!

[bulakenyo]

You fail to mention that the one PRIME good fighter he faced fought him to a draw.


im a fan of pacquiao but i dont go overboard in defending him, im a realistic fan. but wouldnt you say RING featherweight beltholder barrera, jr.featherweight beltholder ledwaba, and lineal RING flyweight champ chatchai sasakul were at their primes when they fought MP?

[Executioner]

go rip your eyeballs..... :rofl:rofl:rofl
it just because pac has been whooping your heroes... that is the syndrome. you cant stand the fact :yep
but seeing bhops fight in ppv wants me to throw my plasma.... :rofl:rofl
bear hug, head butt, hit, and and 10k run :lol::lol:

Suck my dick bitch. Heros? :huh as in MAB? EM? They are not my 'heros'

How did you feel when Floyd said He is the Greatest & better fighter than SRR, SRL & Ali???

This is not about Floyd. This is about your boy Pac. Besides, Floyd's skill level can be mentioned along the lines of SRR, SRL and Ali. Pac is just a fuckin flawed, one dimensional slugger who comes forward trying to land his 1-2 every chance he can get.

[kg0208]

im a fan of pacquiao but i dont go overboard in defending him, im a realistic fan. but wouldnt you say barrera, ledwaba, and lineal RING flyweight champ chatchai sasakul were at their primes when they fought MP?
Barrera? No, the other 2 were though. Go watch OLD MAB fights before he fought Hamed. There is a reason he altered his style. He could no longer sustain it and continue fighting for much longer. He wasn't even prime when he beat Hamed, but still very good. He wasn't prime when Pacman beat him, but still very good.

[PolishPummler]

im a fan of pacquiao but i dont go overboard in defending him, im a realistic fan. but wouldnt you say barrera, ledwaba, and lineal RING flyweight champ chatchai sasakul were at their primes when they fought MP?

Barrera 1 was a GREAT win for Manny but Barerra was and is a bit battle worn.

Sasakul only Pac fans have mentioned his name in recent days as being some kind of great victory.Nobody heard of him until a few days ago when some Pac fans made him out to be some great fighter.

[PacDbest]

There is a huge difference between a 16 yr old starting at 106 or whatever and moving up because his body is growing than a fighter who has been at a weight class for years jumping up 2 weight classes.

It just show How Great Pac is. A barely 20 year old, under-nourished, growing Kid KNocking out a Matured, Prime & Skilled Champion while struggling to make weight. That's just like a 20 yr old PBF KOing a Prime Chavez. You guys always concentrate on Pac KO loses at 112 but ignore How he Knockout Prime fighters at 112.

[johnco]

You fail to mention that the one PRIME good fighter he faced fought him to a draw.

polish... please... jmm fought a one fist pac after the first round... get the facts !! :good and that prime jmm chickened out for a rematch after he was asked for fighting pac again during the post fight interview. how is that? :rofl

[kg0208]

It just show How Great Pac is. A barely 20 year old, under-nourished, growing Kid KNocking out a Matured, Prime & Skilled Champion while struggling to make weight. That's just like a 20 yr old PBF KOing a Prime Chavez. You guys always concentrate on KO Pac loses at 112 but ignore what he Knockout Prime fighters at 112.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Did I mention him being KO'd? I won't let you spin in circles on this one.

Don't compare Sasakul to Chavez. They are not comparable.

[PacDbest]

You fail to mention that the one PRIME good fighter he faced fought him to a draw.

And duck him in a Rematch.

[johnco]

Suck my dick bitch. Heros? :huh as in MAB? EM? They are not my 'heros'



This is not about Floyd. This is about your boy Pac. Besides, Floyd's skill level can be mentioned along the lines of SRR, SRL and Ali. Pac is just a fuckin flawed, one dimensional slugger who comes forward trying to land his 1-2 every chance he can get.

so executioner.... would you rather watch b hops fight than pac?? would you rather have a "bear hug, head butt, hit and run 10 k " or watch pac with pure action and not run like a scared shit ?? :rofl:rofl:rofl i think i know the answer guessing from your name. :rofl:rofl:rofl

[PolishPummler]

polish... please... jmm fought a one fist pac after the first round... get the facts !! :good and that prime jmm chickened out for a rematch after he was asked for fighting pac again during the post fight interview. how is that? :rofl

A 1 fisted Manny :lol:

This is excuse #348,878 for Manny.

Most Pac fans always seem to find some greater reason as to why Manny had bumps in the road.

Socks
Hand
Malnourished
Low Blow-IT WAS CLEARLY ON THE CHIN

Doesnt Manny ever just lose or draw because he faced an equal fighter?

[johnco]

Stop putting words in my mouth. Did I mention him being KO'd? I won't let you spin in circles on this one.

Don't compare Sasakul to Chavez. They are not comparable.

pac would starchez chavez at 130 mark my words :good pac aint no cabby driver!!! :bbb

[PolishPummler]

And respect goes to Bula.

In my book i will consider one of a VERY FEW reasonable Pinoy Pac fans.

Too bad the rest of your fellow countrymen ruin it for you with there delusions of grandure.

[Executioner]

so executioner.... would you rather watch b hops fight than pac?? would you rather have a "bear hug, head butt, hit and run 10 k " or watch pac with pure action and not run like a scared shit ?? :rofl:rofl:rofl i think i know the answer guessing from your name. :rofl:rofl:rofl


Just like your other private bitch, PacDBest, you can never stay on topic.

Now please, go run outside and play in traffic little man. When it comes to talking about Pac, you are the worst 5 minutes I'll ever waste in my precious life. :yep

[PacDbest]

The same way. Neither is anywhere near that level of greatness. But this is not about PBF.

If Pacman did all you think he can do, sure he would be on that level. Greb would still have a better resume though.

I don't even Know nothing about Greb so I don't bother with his resume. All I know is SRR are the Greatest P4P & will just Compare Pac to him.

[kg0208]

pac would starchez chavez at 130 mark my words :good pac aint no cabby driver!!! :bbb

That's an opinion and a biased one at that. There is a good chance that if a faded Morales could beat Pacman at 130, Chavez beats his ass.

And don't talk about Mexican fighters that Chavez fought that you know nothing about. Let me pull one of your buddies favorite lines. Just cuz you don't know them doesn't mean they weren't good tough fighters. Exact same thing you guys say about all those Asian fighters Pacman beat that no one ever heard of who have horrible records.

[PolishPummler]

I don't even Know nothing about Greb so I don't bother with his resume. All I know is SRR are the Greatest P4P & will just Compare Pac to him.

If he's not the greatest P4P fighter during his era how can you try and compare him with all time #1 guy??

[PATSYS]

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Roach told Viva Sports/Manila Standard Today going into this past weekend that he told Pacquiao he “could be as great as Sugar Ray Robinson if he concentrates, uses that speed, uses both hands and puts combinations together.”

The Coach Roach has Spoken again!!! If you look at Freddie's quote on Pacquiao on all HBO fights he's had, it seems all the things he said about Pacquiao came into Reality.

Here's some of Roach quote in the Past:

Ledwaba Fight: "He can't Handle Manny's FirePower!!!"

After Lucero Fight: " Pac is a Threat To KNockout both Erik Morales & Marco Antonio Barrera!!"

I have the same belief that Pac will end up as One of the All time Greats. And Roach Solidifies That Belief.

Here's my projected Path for Pac:
At 130:

Barrera
Marquez
Guzman
Linares(title holder by this time)

At 135
Diaz/Casamayor
Katsidis
Valero(more accomplished by this time) Site Macau/Dubai

At this point Pac Probably Dominated These Fighters:

Then Call Mayweather/ Hatton at 140/147

ATG for sure!!!

Pac by KO

[kg0208]

I don't even Know nothing about Greb so I don't bother with his resume. All I know is SRR are the Greatest P4P & will just Compare Pac to him.
Greb is arguably greater than SRR. Go look it up. His resume however is undisputably better than anyone elses. Including SRR.

[bulakenyo]

Barrera 1 was a GREAT win for Manny but Barerra was and is a bit battle worn.

Sasakul only Pac fans have mentioned his name in recent days as being some kind of great victory.Nobody heard of him until a few days ago when some Pac fans made him out to be some great fighter.

dude, people in the US might not have known sasakul, but you wont be winning titles and Ring championships if you were a patsy.

i saw him fight pacquiao and the guy had a real hard jab, had great hooks and moved around the ring real well. he really reminds me of JMM actually. technical, but can bang.

he was winning all the rounds until around the 6th or 7th, when manny caught him and he got hurt. he backpedalled and countered the rounds after that. then his chin got hit by a fastball left cross.

IMHO, he was prime when they met.

[johnco]

A 1 fisted Manny :lol:

This is excuse #348,878 for Manny.

Most Pac fans always seem to find some greater reason as to why Manny had bumps in the road.

Socks
Hand
Malnourished
Low Blow-IT WAS CLEARLY ON THE CHIN

Doesnt Manny ever just lose or draw because he faced an equal fighter?

apparently polish you didnt watch the post fight interview... too bad you are getting amnesia and finding a mini solace through the likeness of jmm who got a gifted draw and fough pac wth those excuses :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
so explain to me why jmm didnt accept the rematch after the post fight interview???? :yep:yep why did he chickened out?
and on the other hand if your 49er quarterback has a blister on his sole and a busted right hand, do you think your lowly 49er will win the monday night football tonight??? :bart:bart:bart getting dumd polish :yep:yep:yep

[kg0208]

dude, people in the US might not have known sasakul, but you wont be winning titles and Ring championships if you were a patsy.

i saw him fight and the guy had a real hard jab, had great hooks and moved around the ring real well. he really reminds me of JMM actually. technical, but can bang.

he was winning all the rounds until around the 6th or 7th, when manny caught him and he got hurt. he backpedalled and countered the rounds after that. then his chin got hit by a fastball left cross.

IMHO, he was prime when they met.

Like I said, go watch MAB earlier on in his career. He was not the same fighter. Still very good, but not prime. Most MAB fans will tell you that a slightly past it MAB beat Hamed. It has nothing to do with taking something from Pacman.

[PolishPummler]

dude, people in the US might not have known sasakul, but you wont be winning titles and Ring championships if you were a patsy.

i saw him fight and the guy had a real hard jab, had great hooks and moved around the ring real well. he really reminds me of JMM actually. technical, but can bang.

he was winning all the rounds until around the 6th or 7th, when manny caught him and he got hurt. he backpedalled and countered the rounds after that. then his chin got hit by a fastball left cross.

IMHO, he was prime when they met.

At least you didnt call Sasakul as good as Morales,Barerra and JMM combined like Pacdbest did the other day:lol:

[kg0208]

apparently polish you didnt watch the post fight interview... too bad you are getting amnesia and finding a mini solace through the likeness of jmm who got a gifted draw and fough pac wth those excuses :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
so explain to me why jmm didnt accept the rematch after the post fight interview???? :yep:yep why did he chickened out?
and on the other hand if your 49er quarterback has a blister on his sole and a busted right hand, do you think your lowly 49er will win the monday night football tonight??? :bart:bart:bart getting dumd polish :yep:yep:yep

JMM does seem to have chickened out of the rematch, though fighting Chris John is not a bad fight.

But you guys do give alot of excuses. It's never he just lost to the better man that night.

[PolishPummler]

apparently polish you didnt watch the post fight interview... too bad you are getting amnesia and finding a mini solace through the likeness of jmm who got a gifted draw and fough pac wth those excuses :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
so explain to me why jmm didnt accept the rematch after the post fight interview???? :yep:yep why did he chickened out?
and on the other hand if your 49er quarterback has a blister on his sole and a busted right hand, do you think your lowly 49er will win the monday night football tonight??? :bart:bart:bart getting dumd polish :yep:yep:yep

JMM bitched out of the rematch...there is no question there.

It doesnt change what happened in the fight!

[kg0208]

At least you didnt call Sasakul as good as Morales,Barerra and JMM combined like Pacdbest did the other day:lol:
Wasn't PacDbest, that was Dominga

[PolishPummler]

JMM does seem to have chickened out of the rematch, though fighting Chris John is not a bad fight.

But you guys do give alot of excuses. It's never he just lost to the better man that night.

My point!

[johnco]

That's an opinion and a biased one at that. There is a good chance that if a faded Morales could beat Pacman at 130, Chavez beats his ass.

And don't talk about Mexican fighters that Chavez fought that you know nothing about. Let me pull one of your buddies favorite lines. Just cuz you don't know them doesn't mean they weren't good tough fighters. Exact same thing you guys say about all those Asian fighters Pacman beat that no one ever heard of who have horrible records.

ahh beating a 1 eyed pac :lol::lol:

[PacDbest]

Suck my dick bitch. Heros? :huh as in MAB? EM? They are not my 'heros'



This is not about Floyd. This is about your boy Pac. Besides, Floyd's skill level can be mentioned along the lines of SRR, SRL and Ali. Pac is just a fuckin flawed, one dimensional slugger who comes forward trying to land his 1-2 every chance he can get.

Pac is a One dimensional fighter who KNocked-Out the Most Skilled 112 Sasakul, Most skilled 122 Ledwaba, Most Skilled 126 MAb, Most skilled 130 Morales. How'd he do that??? He's one dimensional Right???

[PolishPummler]

ahh beating a 1 eyed pac :lol::lol:

:lol: :lol: :rofl :patsch :patsch

Now it's his eye.

I thought it was the socks:lol:

This is what i mean about you guys.

Fucking terrible.

Sorry Bula your peeps are delusional.

[bulakenyo]

Like I said, go watch MAB earlier on in his career. He was not the same fighter. Still very good, but not prime. Most MAB fans will tell you that a slightly past it MAB beat Hamed. It has nothing to do with taking something from Pacman.

got it, i was talking about sasakul there. :good

[PacDbest]

If he's not the greatest P4P fighter during his era how can you try and compare him with all time #1 guy??

Pac is still writting History with his Fist. Can't you wait???

[Executioner]

Pac is a One dimensional fighter who KNocked-Out the Most Skilled 112 Sasakul, Most skilled 122 Ledwaba, Most Skilled 126 MAb, Most skilled 130 Morales. How'd he do that??? He's one dimensional Right???

So because he knocked them out means he's not one dimensional? :rofl

Pac can only fight one way and that is coming forward and his speed, power and workrate are devastating along with his southpaw style which makes him hard to beat for past prime fighters like Barrera and Morales.

Fuck. Morales was past it and weight drained and still giving Pac a shitkicking for the first 5-6 rounds of the 2nd fight before his legs gave out. :yep

[PolishPummler]

Pac is still writting History with his Fist. Can't you wait???

I would love for it to happen in my lifetime.

I wouldnt mind seeing Manny do it.

But he has a long ways to go.

You are already crowning him.<<<---At that is the problem.

[johnco]

:lol: :lol: :rofl :patsch :patsch

Now it's his eye.

I thought it was the socks:lol:

This is what i mean about you guys.

Fucking terrible.

Sorry Bula your peeps are delusional.

we are talking about em here retard :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: not jmm :lol::lol:
pac fans are not delusional. we are just here for facts. you guys are getting retard by the minute for being blinded by the truth :good:good

[PolishPummler]

JA myśl JA był twój ulubieniec?:-((

Spierdalaj maly gnypek.:D

[kg0208]

ahh beating a 1 eyed pac :lol::lol:

Another excuse? Jeez.

Would you like me to compare what Pacman has done at 130 to what Chavez did at 130?

[PolishPummler]

we are talking about em here retard :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: not jmm :lol::lol:
pac fans are not delusional. we are just here for facts. you guys are getting retard by the minute for being blinded by the truth :good:good

And we are talking about yet another excuse here.

You called me blinded :lol: :lol:

[kg0208]

we are talking about em here retard :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: not jmm :lol::lol:
pac fans are not delusional. we are just here for facts. you guys are getting retard by the minute for being blinded by the truth :good:good

Fact: Pacman has beaten only 1 top 10 fighter at 130 and has not faced a single champion.

Falsehood spoken by Pacfan in this thread: Pacman has beaten almost all the best fighters in his weight class.

Fact: Every Pacman loss you guys say has a reason other than he lost to a better man.

[PolishPummler]

I aint shittin nowhere. im szkodzić:verysad

Argueing with a Pinoy in Poilsh over the net!

What has this World come to:lol: :shock:

[bulakenyo]

Sorry Bula your peeps are delusional.

Lets just consider it as

Overzealous
die-hard
passionate
proud

[kg0208]

Pacman has a had a great run. All I am saying is that it doesn't need exaggeration. He is not anywhere near SRR, and the path laid out for him is probably unrealistic considering the setbacks he has already had.

Don't make excuses for his losses (He is not past his prime, which is a valid excuse) and don't exaggerate the wins. His first loss is no big deal, he was like 17....that's a valid excuse.

[PolishPummler]

Lets just consider it as

Overzealous
die-hard
passionate
proud

That's the key word right there!

[johnco]

Another excuse? Jeez.

Would you like me to compare what Pacman has done at 130 to what Chavez did at 130?

start comparing and name names at pound per pound during his stint at 130 pounds :good

[johnco]

And we are talking about yet another excuse here.

You called me blinded :lol: :lol:

so but wasnt it justified :hey:hey:hey

[PacDbest]

I would love for it to happen in my lifetime.

I wouldnt mind seeing Manny do it.

But he has a long ways to go.

You are already crowning him.<<<---At that is the problem.

I said He has the Chance to do it & Roach now said the same thing. I'm glad I'm not alone now in that belief. Coming from the most respectable Trainer in this Era, what more can i ask

[kg0208]

start comparing and name names at pound per pound during his stint at 130 pounds :good
Pacman hasn't beaten any P4P fighters at 130. Morales was P4P after beating Pacman and dropped out after losing to Raheem. And when Chavez was at 130, there was no reputable P4P list as Ring started theirs in 1989. Not a valid comparison since I cannot compare what doesn't exist.

Chavez won and defended the 130 title 9 times. That is more fights than Pacman has had at 130. There is no comparison.

[PolishPummler]

I said He has the Chance to do it & Roach now said the same thing. I'm glad I'm not alone now in that belief. Coming from the most respectable Trainer in this Era, what more can i ask

Yeah and i have heard about 50 trainers call there pupil the next Mike Tyson.

A trainer pumping up his fighter is unheard of:shock:

[kg0208]

I said He has the Chance to do it & Roach now said the same thing. I'm glad I'm not alone now in that belief. Coming from the most respectable Trainer in this Era, what more can i ask

Roach is his trainer. He is supposed to say that. PBF's trainer says similar things. Do you believe him?

What about Manny Steward when talking about his fighters?

[Executioner]

Chavez clowns Pac, beats him up, humiliates him, spanks him, rapes him, finishes him off and then serves him on a rice platter in the Phillipino sports bars.

[PolishPummler]

I said He has the Chance to do it & Roach now said the same thing. I'm glad I'm not alone now in that belief. Coming from the most respectable Trainer in this Era, what more can i ask

XjOs1suUAE0

Just an example of credible people in Boxing hyping someone up to be the next best thing.

[johnco]

Pacman hasn't beaten any P4P fighters at 130.

true :D but everytime he beat them the manner of beating is TKO not ud

Morales was P4P after beating Pacman

true ... but the pac he did beat was head butted and still close fight :lol:

and dropped out after losing to Raheem. And when Chavez was at 130, there was no reputable P4P list as Ring started theirs in 1989.

true .... but whose on the list? they are no body. :good
Not a valid comparison since I cannot compare what doesn't exist.

true again :good

Chavez won and defended the 130 title 9 times. That is more fights than Pacman has had at 130. There is no comparison.

NO!!!

do you think those guys whom chavez defeated at 130 are comparable to pac of today.... :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl




:good

[PATSYS]

Pac can be goat

[PolishPummler]

Pac can be goat

In the Philipines!

[kg0208]

:good
That was borderline pathetic.

Why would you ask for P4P fighters to compare to Pacman's resume when Pacman didn't beat any at 130?

Why would you ask who was on the Ring list in 89 for Chavez's resume at 130 when Chavez was at 135 when Ring published it's list?

If you cannot seriously answer anything, then move on. You simply prove my point and make this boring.

You got your comparison. Chavez hands down. And instead of asking if any of those fightes are as good as Pacman, we should be asking if Pacman has fought anyone in the league of Chavez at ANY weight class. He hasn't. He cannot bec compared to Chavez at 130.

[johnco]

:lol: :lol: Chavez clowns Pac, beats him up, humiliates him, spanks him, rapes him, finishes him off and then serves him on a rice platter in the Phillipino sports bars.

no he wont.... because pac will bear hug, head butt, hit and run 1o k and use cab to go speed up .. he got that tip from b-hops and those guys who operated the tijuana cabby club :lol: :lol: :hey :hey

[Danny Ocean]

jesus

[bulakenyo]

Just an example of credible people in Boxing hyping someone up to be the next best thing.

You put Max Kellerman as one of the credible boxing guys? :lol:

yeah, what the heck happened to Bojado? I remembered I liked this young kid's style. I knew about him before I knew about Morales, Barrera and Marquez.

[PacDbest]

Like I said, go watch MAB earlier on in his career. He was not the same fighter. Still very good, but not prime. Most MAB fans will tell you that a slightly past it MAB beat Hamed. It has nothing to do with taking something from Pacman.

KG, you've yapping all this Crap that Pac Beat a Shot & Aging MAB & EM. So when is the Prime MAB??? When is the Prime EM???

Give you a Comparison:

DLH got a Gift Decision over Past his Prime Whitaker.

Floyd got a SD against past his prime Part time Boxer DLH.

Pac totally Destroys a 29 yr Old #3 P4P MAB. MAB won only one rd Courtesy of Lawrence Cole. After that MAB the 1st to KO Ayala, & become Champ again beating top 5 P4P Morales.

Pac is The first to Knock-Out a 29 yr old Morales. Annihilates him in 3 rds on the rubbermatch. After that he Try to Get a Title at 135 & almost got a Win against Diaz.

Shot Fighters Definition is like Gatti. Annihilated by Lesser opponent.

Pac Annahilates opponent Prime, Shot or Bum!!!! It doesn't Matter!!!

[PolishPummler]

You put Max Kellerman as one of the credible boxing guys? :lol:

yeah, what the heck happened to Bojado? I remembered I liked this young kid's style. I knew about him before I knew about Morales, Barrera and Marquez.

Kellerman,Atlas,Hoya,Farhood and many Boxing writers.

[PolishPummler]

PAC will be ahead of Chavez in the GOAT list before its said and done. So who cares:rofl :rofl :rofl Nothing we can do about that. Whats Chavez now #25 GOAT ??? Too high PAC passes him by a mile. You just wait:lol:

The funny thing is PAC will be higher than any Mexican fighter when hes done...:deal Someday comparing JMM, MAB and Erik to PAC will be asking to be branded retarded

And truth be told, there are hundreds of fighters in the Philippines coming who will be better than PAC in a few years.. Now do the MATH:good

You better HOPE to death Barerra doesnt beat him.

[johnco]

That was borderline pathetic.

Why would you ask for P4P fighters to compare to Pacman's resume when Pacman didn't beat any at 130?

Why would you ask who was on the Ring list in 89 for Chavez's resume at 130 when Chavez was at 135 when Ring published it's list?

If you cannot seriously answer anything, then move on. You simply prove my point and make this boring.

You got your comparison. Chavez hands down. And instead of asking if any of those fightes are as good as Pacman, we should be asking if Pacman has fought anyone in the league of Chavez at ANY weight class. He hasn't. He cannot bec compared to Chavez at 130.
you are going astray here..... pac is nothing at 130 at the moment. but if we have a time zone and warp pac at 130 chavez era, he could easily beat those fighters whom chavez did beat. and please, if there was a ring mag during those times, those greats and cabby drivers wont be there...

now tell me, is castillo, mayweather, pratchett, rojas, barrios, lockridge, cruz and of course porte will be easily pound per pound 2 if ring mag was around during those days??? :yep:yep:yep

[kg0208]

KG, you've yapping all this Crap that Pac Beat a Shot & Aging MAB & EM. So when is the Prime MAB??? When is the Prime EM???

Give you a Comparison:

DLH got a Gift Decision over Past his Prime Whitaker.

Floyd got a SD against past his prime Part time Boxer DLH.

Pac totally Destroys a 29 yr Old #3 P4P MAB. MAB won only one rd Courtesy of Lawrence Cole. After that MAB the 1st to KO Ayala, & become Champ again beating top 3 P4P Morales.

Pac is The first to Knock-Out a 29 yr old Morales. Annihilates him in 3 rds on the rubbermatch. After that he Try to Get a Title at 135 & almost got a Win against Diaz.

Shot Fighters Definition is like Gatti. Annihilated by Lesser opponent.

Stop being an idiot. Yes, I called you an idiot.

I CLEARLY said MAB was past his prime but still very good...didn't I? So where am I yapping about him being shot. Learn to read then talk to me. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Barrera's prime was from about 94-99. His prime weight was 122. He wasn't prime when he beat Hamed. That is why he changed his style.

And don't bring up other fighters I didn't mention. You need to pay attention to the topic. Morales has lost 5 of his last 6 fights. He is no where near prime. Morales was beaten by Raheem, badly. That is a lesser opponent.

Now you answer MY question. How can you say that Pacman has beat nearly all the best fighters in his weight class? He has beaten one top 10 opponent and never fought any of the champions.

[johnco]

You better HOPE to death Barerra doesnt beat him.

and you better hope that you wont be here after the fight because pac fans will eat you like a polish sausage and bleed you to death when show the pictures of mab begging for his life!!! :D:D:lol::lol:

[kg0208]

you are going astray here..... pac is nothing at 130 at the moment. but if we have a time zone and warp pac at 130 chavez era, he could easily beat those fighters whom chavez did beat. and please, if there was a ring mag during those times, those greats and cabby drivers wont be there...

now tell me, is castillo, mayweather, pratchett, rojas, barrios, lockridge, cruz and of course porte will be easily pound per pound 2 if ring mag was around during those days??? :yep:yep:yep

You're going astray. I am not into guesswork of where those fighters would rank. And it's irrelevant because Pacman has not fought a P4P fighter here....pay attention now. I said Pacman is not better than Chavez at 130....you just said Pacman is nothing at 130. End of discussion. All that other stuff isn't relevant and I never brought it up.

[PolishPummler]

you are going astray here..... pac is nothing at 130 at the moment. but if we have a time zone and warp pac at 130 chavez era, he could easily beat those fighters whom chavez did beat. and please, if there was a ring mag during those times, those greats and cabby drivers wont be there...

now tell me, is castillo, mayweather, pratchett, rojas, barrios, lockridge, cruz and of course porte will be easily pound per pound 2 if ring mag was around during those days??? :yep:yep:yep

No mention of Randall,Whitaker,Taylor,De La Hoya,Camacho,Tszyu?

[PolishPummler]

and you better hope that you wont be here after the fight because pac fans will eat you like a polish sausage and bleed you to death when show the pictures of mab begging for his life!!! :D:D:lol::lol:

Whoever said i was rooting against him?

I'm a fan of both fighters.

It is you who will be crying if your boy loses no doubt.I mean you are a fanny of Manny and not Boxing.

[kg0208]

Well of course he needs to beat Barrera or else I'll be crying PAC was overrated:D

But people think I'm exagerrating but think about it. When he beats MAB he sure will be in the Top 50 border of the all time greats...Now then you have JMM, Soto, and Guzman...That will put him in the top 30s. Throw in a couple of lightweights ala Katsidis and a prime Valero..With Pacs charisma and his style...you're looking at top 20's easy.

Now if he does something special and beats a budding superstar, very prime Mijares type of stud when he's about 32-33, then watch out!!

Not impossible at all.

So for all of you JCC crushes PAC, Prime Sanchez this and that kills PAC. Patience my friends, PAC is only 28...keep praying that he loses:rofl :rofl :rofl Hes bound to give you haters a heart condition:rofl :rofl :rofl

He already has lost. That's kinda the point isn't it? And his prime is nearly over. His fighting style, like those before him, will slow him down. Age is not the same as in ring age.

[PolishPummler]

Well of course he needs to beat Barrera or else I'll be crying PAC was overrated:D

But people think I'm exagerrating but think about it. When he beats MAB he sure will be in the Top 50 border of the all time greats...Now then you have JMM, Soto, and Guzman...That will put him in the top 30s. Throw in a couple of lightweights ala Katsidis and a prime Valero..With Pacs charisma and his style...you're looking at top 20's easy.

Now if he does something special and beats a budding superstar, very prime Mijares type of stud when he's about 32-33, then watch out!!

Not impossible at all.

So for all of you JCC crushes PAC, Prime Sanchez this and that kills PAC. Patience my friends, PAC is only 28...keep praying that he loses:rofl :rofl :rofl Hes bound to give you haters a heart condition:rofl :rofl :rofl

Very lofty goals and that is why i say you better HOPE TO DEATH that he doesnt lose to the aging Barrera.

His whole legacy will be crushed if he loses this fight.

[bulakenyo]

Im outta here guys. Long debates give me headaches. see ya laters.

[johnco]

You're going astray. I am not into guesswork of where those fighters would rank. And it's irrelevant because Pacman has not fought a P4P fighter here....pay attention now. I said Pacman is not better than Chavez at 130....you just said Pacman is nothing at 130. End of discussion. All that other stuff isn't relevant and I never brought it up.

you know kg..... i am leading your slow brain at 130 pound pac.. why i am asking you pound per pound material topic here, it is because if you put those fighters at pac of today, they will be terminated by pac. as what i have said, if ring mag was around during those days, they wont be mentioned. even though pac didnt prove anything at 130 yet, but please if you put pac of today vs chavez who defeated those b fighters, then chavez will get pawned. stopped that pac didnt prove anything at 130. pac IS THE MAN AT 130 AND NUMERO DOS at pound per pound please you pathetic!! :yep

[PolishPummler]

Im outta here guys. Long debates give me headaches. see ya laters.

I need to kill some time till Monday Night Football starts.

What better way than to bring people back down to Earth!

[PacDbest]

Roach is his trainer. He is supposed to say that. PBF's trainer says similar things. Do you believe him?

What about Manny Steward when talking about his fighters?

But didn't I give you two quotes from Roach in the past???

He said "He''ll KO both MAB & EM". That already happened impressively.

Floyd trainer said they will murder & Make the Flag wave on DLH & Baldomir That didn't happen.

Roach is credible!!! I can't say the same with the other coaches!!!

[PolishPummler]

But didn't I give you two quotes for Roach in the past???

He said "He''ll KO both MAB & EM". That already happened impressively.

Floyd trainer said they will murder & Make the Flag wave on DLH & Baldomir That didn't happen.

Roach is credible!!! I can't say the same with the other coaches!!!

AHAHA what is he supposed to say???

My fighter is probably going to lose??:lol: :lol:

And he was saying that before the first EM fight and the JMM fight.That's what trainers do.

[Danny]

I dont think you will see someone winning titles from flyweight to superfeather for sometime.

Pac is one of the best of this era without a doubt.


I quite agree with you, but saying he can be the next Ray Robinson? Not in my view. Robinson's the best P4P boxer in history.

[PolishPummler]

Like I said, it just seems very lofty..but very reasonable...we're not talking about PBF at 135 catchweight here..Im being as fair as possible..PAC can moved up that list real fast.

A ton of Americans love this guy not just Flips..thats a big misconception. I mean the man walks into the ring with famous people like the Undertaker for one and Batista.

By the way my family just git back from Poland, they said it was beautiful, they mentioned this cave with salt or something they loved that.

No doubt everyone loves Pacman.I havent said otherwise.The only thing im saying is that some rabid Pinoy fans vastly overrate him.If he does what you mentioned then no one can say shit about his greatness but until then....

Those salt mines are very famous.I have a hunk laying around the house somewhere.Caves that are of pure rock salt.

[PacDbest]

Stop being an idiot. Yes, I called you an idiot.

I CLEARLY said MAB was past his prime but still very good...didn't I? So where am I yapping about him being shot. Learn to read then talk to me. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Barrera's prime was from about 94-99. His prime weight was 122. He wasn't prime when he beat Hamed. That is why he changed his style.

And don't bring up other fighters I didn't mention. You need to pay attention to the topic. Morales has lost 5 of his last 6 fights. He is no where near prime. Morales was beaten by Raheem, badly. That is a lesser opponent.

Now you answer MY question. How can you say that Pacman has beat nearly all the best fighters in his weight class? He has beaten one top 10 opponent and never fought any of the champions.

Me Idiot??? I give you a Great example of Idiot, Think about ALLBLACK!!! Pacdbest is not.

You don't get what I'm trying to imply. I thought you are smart enough. Pac wins against MAB & EM are very impressive compare to what other Great fighters did against Great fighters in the Past. DLH-Whitaker, DLH-PBF, DLH-Tito, Chavez-Taylor, SRL-Hagler, SRL-Hearns2, Ali-Frazier, these fights are Great against great, but this is not like what Pac did against MAB & EM. Hearns annihilation of Duran came close. but Hearns is the naturally bigger Man. Pac was going in those fight as the smaller man. Name me a smaller fighter with 2 wins like that against a bigger & a Great fighter??? There are very Few.

So I don't buy what Crap you said to discredit Pac wins against MAB & EM. What stuck into my mind is How impressively he beat This Great fighter Prime or Not.

[kg0208]

you know kg..... i am leading your slow brain at 130 pound pac.. why i am asking you pound per pound material topic here, it is because if you put those fighters at pac of today, they will be terminated by pac. as what i have said, if ring mag was around during those days, they wont be mentioned. even though pac didnt prove anything at 130 yet, but please if you put pac of today vs chavez who defeated those b fighters, then chavez will get pawned. stopped that pac didnt prove anything at 130. pac IS THE MAN AT 130 AND NUMERO DOS at pound per pound please you pathetic!! :yep

So you're guessing and trying to play it off as fact. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[kg0208]

Me Idiot??? I give you a Great example of Idiot, Think about ALLBLACK!!! Pacdbest is not.

You don't get what I'm trying to imply. I thought you are smart enough. Pac wins against MAB & EM are very impressive compare to what other Great fighters did against Great fighters in the Past. DLH-Whitaker, DLH-PBF, DLH-Tito, Chavez-Taylor, SRL-Hagler, SRL-Hearns2, Ali-Frazier, these fights are Great against great, but this is not like what Pac did against MAB & EM. Hearns annihilation of Duran came close. but Hearns is the naturally bigger Man. Pac was going in those fight as the smaller man. Name me a smaller fighter with 2 wins like that against a bigger & a Great fighter??? There are very Few.

So I don't buy what Crap you said to discredit Pac wins against MAB & EM. What stuck into my mind is How impressively he beat This Great fighter Prime or Not.

Pacman was the smaller man. If you're so smart PacD, then stop contradicting yourself. Remember, if Pacman LOST at lower weights because he was weight drained, then that means he needed to move up in weight. So he was not the smaller man in those fights. In facts, in the last Morales fight, he was signifiganly larger than Morales....isn't that why you keep pointing out he could fight at 140:deal

That's why you're an idiot. You talk about how small Pacman is when you want to build him up, but then how he was weight drained when he loses and you want an excuse.

Either way, nothing you just said had anything to do with what you asked me. MAB's prime was from about 94 or 95 to 99-00. You don't buy it? Who cares....

[kg0208]

KG FYI not all fighters over 30 are on the downside automatically, regardless of fighting style... We only notice these over 30 fighters when they lose...theres alot of 30 and over fighters thriving out there and I'm not even gonna list them.

And dont take out the possibility of PAC modifying his style, I've read some news in his camp that his defense has shown alot of improvements...even his Mexican spar guys are saying hes a bit harder to hit now. He can fade, I wouldnt know for sure but he can also improve still

Where did I say that all fighters over 30 are on the downside of their careers? Where do you guys get this stuff?

I said PACMAN's prime was almost over because of his STYLE, not his age.

[PacDbest]

Pacman was the smaller man. If you're so smart PacD, then stop contradicting yourself. Remember, if Pacman LOST at lower weights because he was weight drained, then that means he needed to move up in weight. So he was not the smaller man in those fights. In facts, in the last Morales fight, he was signifiganly larger than Morales....isn't that why you keep pointing out he could fight at 140:deal

That's why you're an idiot. You talk about how small Pacman is when you want to build him up, but then how he was weight drained when he loses and you want an excuse.

Either way, nothing you just said had anything to do with what you asked me. MAB's prime was from about 94 or 95 to 99-00. You don't buy it? Who cares....

Look just how stupid you are!!!

Pac early as teenager is comfortable at 112 but late in his career at 112 was struggling to make weight. He jump at 122 where he is comfortable & stay there Knockout everybody & became a Champ. Going in for the MAB fight he's just fresh from 122 title defense against Lucero. Pac moved up to 130 just to Challenge Morales. Now find me one fighter who did just the same & have the same result as What Pac did to MAB & EM???

[kg0208]

Look just how stupid you are!!!

Pac early as teenager is comfortable at 112 but late in his career at 112 was struggling to make weight. He jump at 122 where he is comfortable & stay there Knockout everybody & became a Champ. Going in for the MAB fight he's just fresh from 122 title defense against Lucero. Pac moved up to 130 just to Challenge Morales. Now find me one fighter who did just the same & have the same result as What Pac did to MAB & EM???
This has nothing to do with what I said you brainless moron. There is no late in his career. In less than 5 years at the beginning of his career, Pacman jumped from 106 to 122. That's not late in anything. He was growing, and like I said, he cannot be weight drained when he loses, but get credit for being the smaller man when he wins. Simple as that. He was growing and OFTEN ended up fighting smaller men in those weight classes who were naturally that weight, not growing out of that weight at a rapid pace, so much so that he couldn't stay there very long and got so weight drained he lost.

Why would I name another fighter who did whatever you said? Have I disputed that? Ok then....so I guess you should stop mentioning it:deal

[PacDbest]

This has nothing to do with what I said you brainless moron. There is no late in his career. In less than 5 years at the beginning of his career, Pacman jumped from 106 to 122. That's not late in anything. He was growing, and like I said, he cannot be weight drained when he loses, but get credit for being the smaller man when he wins. Simple as that. He was growing and OFTEN ended up fighting smaller men in those weight classes who were naturally that weight, not growing out of that weight at a rapid pace, so much so that he couldn't stay there very long and got so weight drained he lost.

Why would I name another fighter who did whatever you said? Have I disputed that? Ok then....so I guess you should stop mentioning it:deal

Why don't you start a thread like Floyd on the way to be the next SRR or Your favorite Roy JOnes Jr as Great as SRR???

I don't think you're getting How Great what Pac has done so far. Go back to the title of the Thread "PAC CAN BE ANOTHER SRR...By Roach" It means he can be Coz of what he's done & the future looks Bright & winnable for Pac.

[Executioner]

Even Pac himself wouldnt agree with your bizarre, outrageous, needless nuthugging

[kg0208]

And I am so sick of mentioning how he moved from 106 to 130 and dominated and no one else has done anything like that.

First off, he won no titles at the 108 weight class. He lost one of his fights at 112. He barely fought at 112 and nearly always weighed over the limit. In less than a year of fighting, he had already had his first fight over 112. So he didn't ever feel comfortable there. A year and a 1/2 after his debut, Pacman had fought over the 115 weight class. So don't give me that crap....he was fighting smaller guys and if I can, I will find his hydrated weights to prove it. So what you said was CRAP.

As far as no one doing what he did. At that weight class? No...

But let me tell you this. Roy Jones fought at 154 in his debut. He later won a HW belt. That's moving up 46lbs. Hearns fought at 147....he won a title at 175, 28lbs north. Duran started at 122 and won a title at 160, thats 38lbs.

You get my drift? Moving up that far in weight is NOT unprecendented.

[kg0208]

Why don't you start a thread like Floyd on the way to be the next SRR or Your favorite Roy JOnes Jr as Great as SRR???

I don't think you're getting How Great what Pac has done so far. Go back to the title of the Thread "PAC CAN BE ANOTHER SRR...By Roach" It means he can be Coz of what he's done & the future looks Bright & winnable for Pac.

See you are stupid. You can't read can you? I said in THIS thread that PBF is no where NEAR SRR. So why would I start a thread about it? And Jones is FAR greater than Pacman...so lets keep him out of it.

No one here mentioned PBF until YOU did. So perhaps you should start a thread about him. I don't think you get how great the OTHER fighters are that you constantly downgrade so you can say Pacman is better than they are.

[stuistylee]

Seeing Pac's name in the same sentence as SRR makes me want to rip my eyeballs out of my head and stomp on themexactly my thoughts when i saw the title of the thread...pac doesnt make my top 30 atg just yet

[PacDbest]

And I am so sick of mentioning how he moved from 106 to 130 and dominated and no one else has done anything like that.

First off, he won no titles at the 108 weight class. He lost one of his fights at 112. He barely fought at 112 and nearly always weighed over the limit. In less than a year of fighting, he had already had his first fight over 112. So he didn't ever feel comfortable there. A year and a 1/2 after his debut, Pacman had fought over the 115 weight class. So don't give me that crap....he was fighting smaller guys and if I can, I will find his hydrated weights to prove it. So what you said was CRAP.

As far as no one doing what he did. At that weight class? No...

But let me tell you this. Roy Jones fought at 154 in his debut. He later won a HW belt. That's moving up 46lbs. Hearns fought at 147....he won a title at 175, 28lbs north. Duran started at 122 and won a title at 160, thats 38lbs.

You get my drift? Moving up that far in weight is NOT unprecendented.


Are you telling me Pac stayed at 112 to take advantage of his size??? How can you explain his KO streak at 122?? Why is it He's still have KO Power at 126 & 130??? I thought he's a small 130 pounder??

I won't mind bringing Names of my Favorites Hearns & Duran they truly does become successful at the higher weights & Real Macho Top ATGs. Is that mean Pac is on their League already??? For me He's almost there, once Pac Cleaned up 130 he'll be there.

ROy Jones Jr??? Did he really fight the best 154- Heavy of his time???
He beat the Slowest & the weakest link of Heavyweight Titlist in Ruiz. Why didn't He Challenge the Klitchkos??? Why didn't he stayed at Heavyweight??? Did he KNocked out Ruiz???

For Comparison Pac beat the Best at 126 & 130 & that is by KNockout!!! And he stayed there at the Highest weight & still trying to fight the best. And he still might be moving up again it he ran out of Great fighters at 130. And he Haven't been Knockout nor Knockdown on his last 2 weight Classes. How about that for Bragging Rights???

[PacDbest]

Even Pac himself wouldnt agree with your bizarre, outrageous, needless nuthugging

His Coach agrees with me now!!!

[PacDbest]

And I am so sick of mentioning how he moved from 106 to 130 and dominated and no one else has done anything like that.

First off, he won no titles at the 108 weight class. He lost one of his fights at 112. He barely fought at 112 and nearly always weighed over the limit. In less than a year of fighting, he had already had his first fight over 112. So he didn't ever feel comfortable there. A year and a 1/2 after his debut, Pacman had fought over the 115 weight class. So don't give me that crap....he was fighting smaller guys and if I can, I will find his hydrated weights to prove it. So what you said was CRAP.

As far as no one doing what he did. At that weight class? No...

But let me tell you this. Roy Jones fought at 154 in his debut. He later won a HW belt. That's moving up 46lbs. Hearns fought at 147....he won a title at 175, 28lbs north. Duran started at 122 and won a title at 160, thats 38lbs.

You get my drift? Moving up that far in weight is NOT unprecendented.

Pac moved up 24 lbs
Roy 46 lbs
Hearns 28 lbs
Duran 38 lbs

How about this Chagaev outweigh by Valuev almost 100 lbs???

Everybody knows why there's no more weight class above Heavy & why bigger guys has bigger gaps in weight Class. If you don't know, then you're a CERTIFIED TANGA!!!

[kg0208]

Are you telling me Pac stayed at 112 to take advantage of his size??? How can you explain his KO streak at 122?? Why is it He's still have KO Power at 126 & 130??? I thought he's a small 130 pounder??

I won't mind bringing Names of my Favorites Hearns & Duran they truly does become successful at the higher weights & Real Macho Top ATGs. Is that mean Pac is on their League already??? For me He's almost there, once Pac Cleaned up 130 he'll be there.

ROy Jones Jr??? Did he really fight the best 154- Heavy of his time???
He beat the Slowest & the weakest link of Heavyweight Titlist in Ruiz. Why didn't He Challenge the Klitchkos??? Why didn't he stayed at Heavyweight??? Did he KNocked out Ruiz???

For Comparison Pac beat the Best at 126 & 130 & that is by KNockout!!! And he stayed there at the Highest weight & still trying to fight the best. And he still might be moving up again it he ran out of Great fighters at 130. And he Haven't been Knockout nor Knockdown on his last 2 weight Classes. How about that for Bragging Rights???

Well lets review since you seem to have forgotten what has actually happened.

One, Pac's KO steak at 122 was because he was closer to his natural size. Now isn't it. Like I said, he barely fought at 112 and could barely maintain the weight. Otherwise why was he fighting at 118 only a year and a 1/2 after fighting at 108?

Comparing Pacman to RJJ? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You talk about Jones not KOing a man 30lbs heavier? Why didn't he fight Lewis? Or Klits?

Why hasn't Pacman fought ANY champion at 130? Not ONE? Why?

Jones has a better resume than Pacman period. Don't try and compare them. MAB and Morales make Pacman's resume. It has little depth.

[kg0208]

Pac moved up 24 lbs
Roy 46 lbs
Hearns 28 lbs
Duran 38 lbs

How about this Chagaev outweigh by Valuev almost 100 lbs???

Everybody knows why there's no more weight class above Heavy & why bigger guys has bigger gaps in weight Class. If you don't know, then you're a CERTIFIED TANGA!!!
Ahhh stupid. Chagaev didn't move up weight classes.

Jones did. Not comparable now is it.

How many titles does Pacman have compared to Jones? How many title fights? And you talk about Jones getting KO'd but Pacman not getting KO'd at his best weights? Jones best weight wasn't 175 now was it? And he was alot older than Pacman right? And hasn't Pacman been KO'd 2 times?

BTW, from your other post....when did I call Pacman a SMALL 130lb fighter?

[PacDbest]

Well lets review since you seem to have forgotten what has actually happened.

One, Pac's KO steak at 122 was because he was closer to his natural size. Now isn't it. Like I said, he barely fought at 112 and could barely maintain the weight. Otherwise why was he fighting at 118 only a year and a 1/2 after fighting at 108?

Comparing Pacman to RJJ? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You talk about Jones not KOing a man 30lbs heavier? Why didn't he fight Lewis? Or Klits?

Why hasn't Pacman fought ANY champion at 130? Not ONE? Why?

Jones has a better resume than Pacman period. Don't try and compare them. MAB and Morales make Pacman's resume. It has little depth.

Because The Champ chickened out!!!

[kg0208]

Because The Champ chickened out!!!

THE CHAMP? There are 4.....nice try.

What about one of the other 3?

Why is everything someone elses fault? Why is there always an excuse?

[ko factor]

Blasphemy! Comparing Pac to SRR is like comparing Ali to Foreman...SRR was the best ever....not even Floyd Mayweather can touch him...The best P4P complete fighter ever. My no.#1 ATG.:yep

[dave82]

hmmm...Manny is a great fighter but can he be another Ray Robinson...i doubt that. I wouldnt even consider PBF or Jones (at his prime) another Ray Robinson. Thats quite a comment. Nevertheless Mannys still a great fighter

[tays001]

Amonsot last fought at 130 before fighting Katsidis & give him Hell. I've seen Katsidis at The world cup, he's not that Big.

dude stop i don't see this happning so robbinson is sitting pretty and is the best p4p ever it will be some time til any one sees a fighter as great or greater then robinson a fighter like SRR only comes every 10 years and we aint due for one just yet.:good :yep :yep

[PacDbest]

THE CHAMP? There are 4.....nice try.

What about one of the other 3?

Why is everything someone elses fault? Why is there always an excuse?

Don't worry KG He'll fight one of these Chumps next Year. He's got to make Easy Money first with MAB. Pac last Title was the IBF 122 lbs where he was Paid in Thousands of $$$ in 2003, that's 4 years ago. He don't need titles Now, He's the Man, Whoever fights him makes the most Money. How come he became #2 P4P without winning a Title??? How come he makes Millions/Fight now even without a Title???

You're sounding like a PIMP for this ABC Organization, How much is your Commission Man???

[George W Hedge]

:lol:

Freddy roach needs his ass slapped.

Saying pacquiao could be like srr is a complete insult to ray.


srr was the most complete fighter ever & despite pacquiao`s improvement in certain areas, he isnt even close to ray on numerous levels.

roach should hang his head in shame as pac at his peak (right now) isnt even the best fighter of his own time, pbf is the top boxer until further notice & I dont even like floyd.

[PacDbest]

:lol:

Freddy roach needs his ass slapped.

Saying pacquiao could be like srr is a complete insult to ray.


srr was the most complete fighter ever & despite pacquiao`s improvement in certain areas, he isnt even close to ray on numerous levels.

roach should hang his head in shame as pac at his peak (right now) isnt even the best fighter of his own time, pbf is the top boxer until further notice & I dont even like floyd.

SRR is top undiputed P4P Guy of his Generation.

Pac right now at currently #2 & Arguably # 1 P4P by some. How come it's an insult to be associated with SRR's name? They both are the Top P4P of their Generation.

Roach, a respectable trainer associate SRR name with Pac and also some fans like me with the same belief. Pac don't even mentioned SRR name at anytime.

Ring Magazine has an article about Pac against Past 126-130 ATGS. There's Article here in the net stating Pac's Chance to be a Lineal Champ at 3 original weight Classes which was achieved only by Henry Armstrong who was a Champ at Feather, Welter & Middleweight. Pac already a Lineal champ at Flyweight, Featherweight & have a Good Chance of Taking the Lightweight Title currently held by Casamayor.

What if Pac tried & go for the fourth Lineal Title currently held by Floyd & impressively Beat Floyd? Where will you place him in the ATG list?? Why it's a shame for Pac to be named to be near SRR????

[Executioner]

Pac is already top 30 ATG in IMHO. :hat

you deserve to be put in the mental ward for a statement like that.

[kg0208]

Don't worry KG He'll fight one of these Chumps next Year. He's got to make Easy Money first with MAB. Pac last Title was the IBF 122 lbs where he was Paid in Thousands of $$$ in 2003, that's 4 years ago. He don't need titles Now, He's the Man, Whoever fights him makes the most Money. How come he became #2 P4P without winning a Title??? How come he makes Millions/Fight now even without a Title???

You're sounding like a PIMP for this ABC Organization, How much is your Commission Man???
More excuses. I responded to your lie. Don't start talking about money and all the other shit. You sound like Pacman's bitch, how much do you pay him to talk about him?

Don't lie and I won't call you out. When you say he has fought the best fighters in his weight class, and he has fought only 1 top 10 fighter there, it's a lie.

He may not need titles, but to be an ATG he needs to beat the best right? The best fighters in his class have titles. So by default he needs titles. Titles help legacies, Pacman is not immuned.

[PacDbest]

More excuses. I responded to your lie. Don't start talking about money and all the other shit. You sound like Pacman's bitch, how much do you pay him to talk about him?

Don't lie and I won't call you out. When you say he has fought the best fighters in his weight class, and he has fought only 1 top 10 fighter there, it's a lie.

He may not need titles, but to be an ATG he needs to beat the best right? The best fighters in his class have titles. So by default he needs titles. Titles help legacies, Pacman is not immuned.

I'm not a Pac Bitch. I'm a just one of Pac's Millions of believer & fan. I pay Pac $50 every fight & I won't mind the expense. I have 30 people in the house to contribute for that. We enjoy Pac write History in every fight.

Can you name me the best at 126 & 130 that Pac needs to beat to earn your respect??? And explain why they're the best????

[kg0208]

I'm not a Pac Bitch. I'm a just one of Pac's Millions of believer & fan. I pay Pac $50 every fight & I won't mind the expense. I have 30 people in the house to contribute for that. We enjoy Pac write History in every fight.

Can you name me the best at 126 & 130 that Pac needs to beat to earn your respect??? And explain why they're the best????

Oh you took offense to me saying something that obviously was a cheap shot? Then stop doing it yourself.

What history was written in the Solis fight?

You already know who the best are at 130. You know who the 4 title holders are. Fight them and unify instead of fighting someone he already beat.

Who says I don't respect him? Respect doesn't = overrate.

[PacDbest]

Oh you took offense to me saying something that obviously was a cheap shot? Then stop doing it yourself.

What history was written in the Solis fight?

You already know who the best are at 130. You know who the 4 title holders are. Fight them and unify instead of fighting someone he already beat.

Who says I don't respect him? Respect doesn't = overrate.

Pac give MAB & EM the beating of their lives & you keep crying that he beat past Prime Fighter, That Pac keep fighting old fighters. Pac give a Chance to an undefeated young fighter on his Prime age and you still crying. Solis is a tune-up fight. How many Solis Caliber fighters did PBF & RJJ fought in their Careers??? Did you criticized them???

I myself openly said in the Past that I'm not interested with MAB Rematch. What I want for Pac is JMM. We know why that fight didn't happened yet. It's boxing economics duh?? Why do you think Floyd fought Judah even when he lost to Baldomir??? Did you openly critizized Floyd for it??? Did you Criticized RJJ opponents after his KO loses???

[kg0208]

Pac give MAB & EM the beating of their lives & you keep crying that he beat past Prime Fighter, That Pac keep fighting old fighters. Pac give a Chance to an undefeated young fighter on his Prime age and you still crying. Solis is a tune-up fight. How many Solis Caliber fighters did PBF & RJJ fought in their Careers??? Did you criticized them???

I myself openly said in the Past that I'm not interested with MAB Rematch. What I want for Pac is JMM. We know why that fight didn't happened yet. It's boxing economics duh?? Why do you think Floyd fought Judah even when he lost to Baldomir??? Did you openly critizized Floyd for it??? Did you Criticized RJJ opponents after his KO loses???


Stop dodging the post PacD. I am not interested in comparing Jones to Pacman. There is no comparison.

You cannot say Pacman is fighting tune up fights after saying he has fought the best in his division.

Jones fought alot more champions than Pacman has. Jones fought almost as many champions at LHW alone as Pacman has fought his entire career. So lets not go there ok?

[PacDbest]

Stop dodging the post PacD. I am not interested in comparing Jones to Pacman. There is no comparison.

You cannot say Pacman is fighting tune up fights after saying he has fought the best in his division.

Jones fought alot more champions than Pacman has. Jones fought almost as many champions at LHW alone as Pacman has fought his entire career. So lets not go there ok?

I gotta go to work KG. Just Keep selling that ABC titles here in ESB. You could make a fortune doing it. I Don't think you can sell it to Pac thou. Pac is a street smart, he makes Millions without ABC titles.:hi:

[kg0208]

I gotta go to work KG. Just Keep selling that ABC titles here in ESB. You could make a fortune doing it. I Don't think you can sell it to Pac thou. Pac is a street smart, he makes Millions without ABC titles.:hi:

And you keep selling that "he is fighting the best fighters at 130".....Pacman is making millions, but he is no where near SRR now is he:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[PacDbest]

And you keep selling that "he is fighting the best fighters at 130".....Pacman is making millions, but he is no where near SRR now is he:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

But he has the Chance to be like SRR....

You didn't answer my Question, Who is the best at 130???

[kg0208]

But he has the Chance to be like SRR....

You didn't answer my Question, Who is the best at 130???

I answered it. It's you who haven't answered any questions. Make up your mind. Is Pacman fighting tune ups and doesn't need titles, or is he fighting the best competition at 130? Which is it? Are you saying the title holders are not the best fighters at 130? Who are then....Solis and Larios?

No, he has no chance IMO of equaling SRR. If he did what you layed out, sure he would be near it. But I already said that he can't do that IMO.

[mad_takamura]

Katsidis is way too big for pac you mean katsidis is way overrated! coz if amonsot gave him trouble surely pac will give him doom!
if david diaz, a 135pnder, was beaten through the eyes of many in that em-diaz fight can you imagine what pac would do to dd what em failed to do?!

[Robbi]

But he has the Chance to be like SRR....

You didn't answer my Question, Who is the best at 130???

He has a chance to be like Sugar Ray Robinson?. I think your having a laugh.

Its ok, I don't take comments like your too seriously.

[Robbi]

SRR is top undiputed P4P Guy of his Generation.

Pac right now at currently #2 & Arguably # 1 P4P by some. How come it's an insult to be associated with SRR's name? They both are the Top P4P of their Generation.

Roach, a respectable trainer associate SRR name with Pac and also some fans like me with the same belief. Pac don't even mentioned SRR name at anytime.

Ring Magazine has an article about Pac against Past 126-130 ATGS. There's Article here in the net stating Pac's Chance to be a Lineal Champ at 3 original weight Classes which was achieved only by Henry Armstrong who was a Champ at Feather, Welter & Middleweight. Pac already a Lineal champ at Flyweight, Featherweight & have a Good Chance of Taking the Lightweight Title currently held by Casamayor.

What if Pac tried & go for the fourth Lineal Title currently held by Floyd & impressively Beat Floyd? Where will you place him in the ATG list?? Why it's a shame for Pac to be named to be near SRR????

Henry Armstrong, held titles at featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight all at the same time. You said above he held a title at middleweight, not the case.

Sugar Ray Robinson was a complete fighter, who could box behind the jab, something Pacman seldomly does. He was also technically better than Pacman, and fought much better opponents over a longer period of time. Longevity.

Lets see how Pacman responds in rematches after he gets beaten before even mentioning him in the same sentence as Robinson. Infact, lets wait until his career is over before matching him against Arguello, never mind Robinson.

[PacDbest]

Henry Armstrong, held titles at featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight all at the same time. You said above he held a title at middleweight, not the case.

Sugar Ray Robinson was a complete fighter, who could box behind the jab, something Pacman seldomly does. He was also technically better than Pacman, and fought much better opponents over a longer period of time. Longevity.

Lets see how Pacman responds in rematches after he gets beaten before even mentioning him in the same sentence as Robinson. Infact, lets wait until his career is over before matching him against Arguello, never mind Robinson.

You're right, Armstrong failed to get the Middleweight title against Garcia, My bad.

Nobody disputing that SRR is the Greatest. But Pac has a Chance to be as Great, Not equally but just paralled in Greatness. SRR in his time is Amazing & Dominant. Pac in this present time is Amazing & becoming Dominant. Hope you see what I mean???

Don't you know what Pac did after Morales beat him the first time???? What Pac did to Morales in the rematch & rubbermatch are more Impressive than any of the Trilogies in ALL of boxing History!!! Pac don't need to fight Morales a 4th, 5th & 6th time. Pac showed his domination!!! Where the hell you've been??? Can't you afford PPVs???

[PacDbest]

I answered it. It's you who haven't answered any questions. Make up your mind. Is Pacman fighting tune ups and doesn't need titles, or is he fighting the best competition at 130? Which is it? Are you saying the title holders are not the best fighters at 130? Who are then....Solis and Larios?

No, he has no chance IMO of equaling SRR. If he did what you layed out, sure he would be near it. But I already said that he can't do that IMO.

Here's the answer KG.

Pac don't need to Chase those titles, Pac currently is considered the #1 130 pounder by the RING Magazine. Evry 130 pounder is below him & needs to lined-up. He's fighting MAB who is rated at #3. #2 JMM is next. Be Patient. Guzman Who?? How many times this Guy fight in a year??? Soto who??? Almost KOed by Pac's journeyman Brother??? Valero still need to pad his record!!! Don't even Mention Fana:rofl :rofl :rofl !!!

[etong_08]

Katsidis is way too big for pac

Way too big to escape PAC's punches. Look what Amonsot did to his face..:hey

[Robbi]

Here's the answer KG.

Pac don't need to Chase those titles, Pac currently is considered the #1 130 pounder by the RING Magazine. Evry 130 pounder is below him & needs to lined-up. He's fighting MAB who is rated at #3. #2 JMM is next. Be Patient. Guzman Who?? How many times this Guy fight in a year??? Soto who??? Almost KOed by Pac's journeyman Brother??? Valero still need to pad his record!!! Don't even Mention Fana:rofl :rofl :rofl !!!

I forgot about that. I watched all three Pacman v Morales fights, silly me.

[kg0208]

Here's the answer KG.

Pac don't need to Chase those titles, Pac currently is considered the #1 130 pounder by the RING Magazine. Evry 130 pounder is below him & needs to lined-up. He's fighting MAB who is rated at #3. #2 JMM is next. Be Patient. Guzman Who?? How many times this Guy fight in a year??? Soto who??? Almost KOed by Pac's journeyman Brother??? Valero still need to pad his record!!! Don't even Mention Fana:rofl :rofl :rofl !!!
Lots of excuses...MAB is old. He didn't fight JMM. Guzman is one of two unbeaten champions in that division.

No one needs to line up to face Pacman. How arrogant are you little Pacmaniacs. He needs to prove himself just like every other fighter does. You think Calzaghe says figthers should line up and prove they can fight him? Pacman isn't Oscar De La Hoya where he generates enough money to get to simply pick and choose.

Make up your mind. It's either money or legacy. No more tune up fights if you want to be SRR. Same thing that goes for Pacman goes for PBF. NO MORE EXCUSES.

[Amsterdam]

Are they more arrogant than Calzaghe fans?:think

[kg0208]

Are they more arrogant than Calzaghe fans?:think

About their fighter? Yes.....in general, not yet. You guys don't think Calzaghe could beat ATG 2 weight classes up that he has never fought in.

[PolishPummler]

Are they more arrogant than Calzaghe fans?:think

No just the worst.

[PacDbest]

Lots of excuses...MAB is old. He didn't fight JMM. Guzman is one of two unbeaten champions in that division.

No one needs to line up to face Pacman. How arrogant are you little Pacmaniacs. He needs to prove himself just like every other fighter does. You think Calzaghe says figthers should line up and prove they can fight him? Pacman isn't Oscar De La Hoya where he generates enough money to get to simply pick and choose.

Make up your mind. It's either money or legacy. No more tune up fights if you want to be SRR. Same thing that goes for Pacman goes for PBF. NO MORE EXCUSES.

Who is the more Proven fighter at 130???

Guzman?? SD against Barrios, Struggled with his tune fight.

Soto??? Who did he beat there at 130???

JMM??? Close win against Pac's Punching Bag(MAB).

Valero??? Proven against Taxi drivers, need to Prove more & need to get his US license.

Fana??:rofl :rofl :rofl

Here's what Pac did at 130: lost to Morales in his first fight at 130. But rebound with 2 Dominating KO wins. KOed both Tuneup fights Velasquez & Solis. Give boxing lesson to former 122 Champ Larios.

Who is more accomplished then???

I didn't say Pac is SRR now. I say he's on the way there. Even SRR did fought a tune fight & Fought old warriors in his Great run to be Great.

[Robbi]

Who is the more Proven fighter at 130???

Guzman?? SD against Barrios, Struggled with his tune fight.

Soto??? Who did he beat there at 130???

JMM??? Close win against Pac's Punching Bag(MAB).

Valero??? Proven against Taxi drivers, need to Prove more & need to get his US license.

Fana??:rofl :rofl :rofl

Here's what Pac did at 130: lost to Morales in his first fight at 130. But rebound with 2 Dominating KO wins. KOed both Tuneup fights Velasquez & Solis. Give boxing lesson to former 122 Champ Larios.

Who is more accomplished then???

I didn't say Pac is SRR now. I say he's on the way there. Even SRR did fought a tune fight & Fought old warriors in his Great run to be Great.

Pacman is on the way there, but he'll never get there.

Your a nuthugger beyond belief.

[kg0208]

Who is the more Proven fighter at 130???

Guzman?? SD against Barrios, Struggled with his tune fight.

Soto??? Who did he beat there at 130???

JMM??? Close win against Pac's Punching Bag(MAB).

Valero??? Proven against Taxi drivers, need to Prove more & need to get his US license.

Fana??:rofl :rofl :rofl

Here's what Pac did at 130: lost to Morales in his first fight at 130. But rebound with 2 Dominating KO wins. KOed both Tuneup fights Velasquez & Solis. Give boxing lesson to former 122 Champ Larios.

Who is more accomplished then???

I didn't say Pac is SRR now. I say he's on the way there. Even SRR did fought a tune fight & Fought old warriors in his Great run to be Great.
Lots more excuses. Pacman needs to fight the top fighters at 130. End of story. This isn't about whether Pacman is the top fighter at 130, it's about you sayinf he beat the top competition there. He hasn't.

He is not on the way to SRR. No more than Calzaghe, PBF, or any other top fighter is.

[PacDbest]

Pacman is on the way there, but he'll never get there.

Your a nuthugger beyond belief.

I just have a Vision.....I'm confident Pac will be there... Top 10 ATG.

[PacDbest]

Lots more excuses. Pacman needs to fight the top fighters at 130. End of story. This isn't about whether Pacman is the top fighter at 130, it's about you sayinf he beat the top competition there. He hasn't.

He is not on the way to SRR. No more than Calzaghe, PBF, or any other top fighter is.

What did I say KG???? Be Patient!!!!

[kg0208]

What did I say KG???? Be Patient!!!!

Jeez....I keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you can't get it in your head.

My problem is with WHAT YOU SAID:deal

You said Pacman HAS BEATEN the all the top competition at his weight class.

Now you are saying he WILL beat them. Well then, clearly he HASN'T done it yet.

That was ALL I was debating with you. Not Pacman's ranking in the division, or any of the other BS you brought into it.

[PolishPummler]

I just have a Vision.....I'm confident Pac will be there... Top 10 ATG.

:lol: :rofl

Now it's a vision!

[PacDbest]

Jeez....I keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you can't get it in your head.

My problem is with WHAT YOU SAID:deal

You said Pacman HAS BEATEN the all the top competition at his weight class.

Now you are saying he WILL beat them. Well then, clearly he HASN'T done it yet.

That was ALL I was debating with you. Not Pacman's ranking in the division, or any of the other BS you brought into it.

What I say is Pac ALMOST beaten all the best in his weight Class he's in. At 130 Morales is the Lineal, But lost to Barrera Then MAB lost to JMM. Pac already beaten all those fighters(Pac won against JMM in my Book, Judges error & JMM ducking is my Proof). If MAB & JMM didn't Duck Pac rematch or 4 years, Pac would Clearly be the Title Holder by now. Pac is still at 130 & Considered the best there. He will still collect impressive wins there. This a a Boxing Forum, Not English Grammar Forum. You're picking too much on just a word in a sentence. Just debate the topic & don't Hijack it with your own Agenda.

[kg0208]

What I say is Pac ALMOST beaten all the best in his weight Class he's in. At 130 Morales is the Lineal, But lost to Barrera Then MAB lost to JMM. Pac already beaten all those fighters(Pac won against JMM in my Book, Judges error & JMM ducking is my Proof). If MAB & JMM didn't Duck Pac rematch or 4 years, Pac would Clearly be the Title Holder by now. Pac is still at 130 & Considered the best there. He will still collect impressive wins there. This a a Boxing Forum, Not English Grammar Forum. You're picking too much on just a word in a sentence. Just debate the topic & don't Hijack it with your own Agenda.

No, it has nothing to do with english. You just don't know what you're talking about.

Ummmm..Morales was never lineal at 130, MAB was never lineal at 130, nor is JMM now. And even going with what YOU just explained, you would STILL be wrong. You would only be able to add MAB to the list. That is still not MOST. Thats 2 guys.....He didn't beat JMM so you can't add him.

I am debating the topic btw, just you're too slow to follow it. If you can't make concise points, then thats your problem. If Pacman hasn't even beaten the best at 130 nor won a title there, then he is no where near SRR and you are just speculating WAY too far ahead based on your "vision". See, I am debating the topic. You just don't like what I am saying. And you always have the same agenda....isn't that what this thread is?

[Toopretty]

I been gone for a minute and Pac fans have literally gone bonkers...they have lost ever bit of common sense. PAC IS A GREAT FIGHTER...BUT HE IS NOT DAMNED SUPERMAN.. come on, it has to end sometime.

[brooklyn1550]

Right now, when well-informed boxing fans ask who the best fighter ever is, more often than not, they answer with "Sugar Ray Robinson." I seriously doubt Manny Pacquiao will ever be the logical answer to that question.

[PacDbest]

I been gone for a minute and Pac fans have literally gone bonkers...they have lost ever bit of common sense. PAC IS A GREAT FIGHTER...BUT HE IS NOT DAMNED SUPERMAN.. come on, it has to end sometime.

I don't think this will end soon. Pac is still Raking impressive fights. When Pac finally beaten to retirement we might stop. But by then His legacy would be sealed & we have more Bandwagon to jump in. Donaire, Banal, Concepcion & Glenn Gonzales will make us Proud after Pac.

[PacDbest]

No, it has nothing to do with english. You just don't know what you're talking about.

Ummmm..Morales was never lineal at 130, MAB was never lineal at 130, nor is JMM now. And even going with what YOU just explained, you would STILL be wrong. You would only be able to add MAB to the list. That is still not MOST. Thats 2 guys.....He didn't beat JMM so you can't add him.

I am debating the topic btw, just you're too slow to follow it. If you can't make concise points, then thats your problem. If Pacman hasn't even beaten the best at 130 nor won a title there, then he is no where near SRR and you are just speculating WAY too far ahead based on your "vision". See, I am debating the topic. You just don't like what I am saying. And you always have the same agenda....isn't that what this thread is?

I know PBF Vacated that 130 lineal title. But Morales Cleaned it up after that, winning against Chavez & Hernandez same Guys that make PBF the Man at 130. This Process makes EM the recognized Lineal HOlder & the Man to beat. IF not EM then Who???

[kg0208]

I know PBF Vacated that 130 lineal title. But Morales Cleaned it up after that, winning against Chavez & Hernandez same Guys that make PBF the Man at 130. This Process makes EM the recognized Lineal HOlder & the Man to beat. IF not EM then Who???
There is no Lineal title holder at 130. If there was, then Pacman would not be rated #1 by Ring. They would have the Lineal champion rated as the champion and Pacman rated #1 behind him. Notice they do not rank a champion there.

And the guy who made PBF lineal at 130 was Genaro Hernandez, not Carlos Hernandez. When PBF vacated he vacated that title. No 1 vs 2 matchup took place nor did a full unification of the titles. There is no Lineal champion at 130.

[brooklyn1550]

I will be willing to put Pacquiao around the top 10 all time greats if he does the following...

Beats:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
The winner of Joan Guzman/Humberto Soto
Jorge Linares
Edwin Valero
Chris John
Michael Katsidis
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz

That would mean he is champion at flyweight, super bantamweight, featherweight, super featherweight, and lightweight while defeating, at minimum, 3 hall of famers (Barrera, Morales, Marquez).

[brooklyn1550]

I love Pac but thats not enough I think...But again given that some of the top 10 guys never had such good competition...who knows

It's tough to say what he needs to do because anything can happen to those fighters in the course of the next 4 or 5 years. If he did all of that and became the Ring champ at 135 as well, he would certainly have a case for top 10, but there could be just as strong a case that he would not be top 10. We will just have to wait and see I guess.

[PacDbest]

I think we need to redefine the Top 10...these guys on the top 10 what got them there???..and how does PACs accomplishment compare to theirs... Two things that will work out in PACs favor assuming that he beats your list...

Great names on resume

Him coming from FLY..its just not done

And the way he wins impressively by Knockouts!!!

[PacDbest]

I will be willing to put Pacquiao around the top 10 all time greats if he does the following...

Beats:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
The winner of Joan Guzman/Humberto Soto
Jorge Linares
Edwin Valero
Chris John
Michael Katsidis
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz

That would mean he is champion at flyweight, super bantamweight, featherweight, super featherweight, and lightweight while defeating, at minimum, 3 hall of famers (Barrera, Morales, Marquez).

That list for Pac is very doable.

[kg0208]

I think we need to redefine the Top 10...these guys on the top 10 what got them there???..and how does PACs accomplishment compare to theirs... Two things that will work out in PACs favor assuming that he beats your list...

Great names on resume

Him coming from FLY..its just not done
That matters, but only so much. Rememeber, guys like Duran came from really low weights to win MW titles.

I think you find a fighters Prime or Natural weight (not always the same eh?) and then see what they did outside those weights. For me thats more telling than the weight they came from.

Like with Pacman, he barely fought at Flyweight and didn't do anything there. It also has to be taken into account he was 16 at the time. Same with Duran who started at lower weights than 135, but he didn't do anything there.

I start measuring Pacman from 112 up. And I don't care that he wins by KO or decision. Decisive victories are very important though.

[Amsterdam]

I will be willing to put Pacquiao around the top 10 all time greats if he does the following...

Beats:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
The winner of Joan Guzman/Humberto Soto
Jorge Linares
Edwin Valero
Chris John
Michael Katsidis
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz

That would mean he is champion at flyweight, super bantamweight, featherweight, super featherweight, and lightweight while defeating, at minimum, 3 hall of famers (Barrera, Morales, Marquez).

I agree, though John and Katsidis are B level guys that aren't essential.

You see this pretty clearly though Brooklyn.:good

If he did that, he'd also be without a doubt the very best of his generation in my opinion.

[Amsterdam]

That list for Pac is very doable.

It is, I believe that Casamayor would be the worst for him, along with Diaz.

[kg0208]

That list for Pac is very doable.

That list IS doable....though I think if he fights Casa too soon he could lose, and Diaz may beat him regardless.

Its when you add PBF (or Hatton) to the list that it goes from improbable to impossible.

[kg0208]

One thing about this list though is that it will cement PACS rep as not having avoided anyone! Duran avoided MCCallum like a plague..actually the FAB four fought each other but avoided other guys who are considered sleepers like McCallum, Pryor, Curry, Julian Jackson...No one would be able to accuse PAC of that

Well remember, Duran started much lower than McCallum. The other parts of the fab 4 were near his division their entire careers.

[Amsterdam]

That list IS doable....though I think if he fights Casa too soon he could lose, and Diaz may beat him regardless.

Its when you add PBF (or Hatton) to the list that it goes from improbable to impossible.

Diaz/Pac is a good fight. Technically, a huge LW should own over Pac, but Diaz is not an impressive fighter in my opinion, so it leaves room for Pac to possibly score a win and I'd be interested in this one.

Casa may very well be getting too old and Pac's speed would be hell. Think about the Kid Diamond fight, a fight in which I thought Kid Diamond won. I think that Casa would score a KO though with a well timed counter shot, despite getting beaten.

[kg0208]

Diaz/Pac is a good fight. Technically, a huge LW should own over Pac, but Diaz is not an impressive fighter in my opinion, so it leaves room for Pac to possibly score a win and I'd be interested in this one.

Casa may very well be getting too old and Pac's speed would be hell. Think about the Kid Diamond fight, a fight in which I thought Kid Diamond won. I think that Casa would score a KO though with a well timed counter shot, despite getting beaten.
:good Thats why I said if he fights Casa too soon. Not that Pacman would do this, but better to catch Casa when you're sure he is old. Very underrated fighter who may be more skilled than any fighter Pacman has fought. And if Corrales and Castillo couldn't KO him, Pacman most likely won't.

Diaz doesn't have any exceptional skill. But he is getting better and puts it all on the line. He is pretty good and I think his size is too much for Pacman, but we will see.

Hey, I asked you in the other thread, not sure you saw it. I know NOTHING about Mijares. Whats the deal there and anywhere I can see some of his fights? Edit: Just saw your answer...NM...would love to see him fight though.

PS. Just read the "Best Analysts thread" You pegged me pretty good. Still learning to analyze.

[BewareofDawg]

Pac has to take that Path to be called a modern Day Robinson. Robinson in his time is the undisputed P4P Fighter. Right Now we are Debating everyday if it's Pac or Floyd. Why don't they Prove it in the ring? Pac & Floyd fighting weights are only separated only by 8 lbs.
:rofl :rofl :rofl Why would you ever want to see that?????

Mayweather would beat Pac so bad!!!! :rofl Oh it will be proven in the ring alright, proven that Pac is way too small and no where as skilled enough to deal with the Pretty Joy Boy :deal

[Amsterdam]

I don't remember what I said, but I was giving out my assessments of everyone. I have nothing against you, so it couldn't have been a bad thing.

I think I said something along the lines of 'KG is very knowledge with rankings, historical elements, perspectives and all of the things wrapped up here, but he's not a fight analyst'. So, hope you weren't offended.

Anyway, don't become proficient with analysation unless you want to piss the average guy off, support underrated phenominal fighters that the average guy thinks is nothing and supremely annoy the classic boxing loyalists. Because, you'll see them as all wrong.:lol:

I'll tell you what man, it's not a matter of being a prick, it's just a matter of reaching a level of boxing analysation where you see them as just fighters and ignore the stigma involved, then you really start seeing all types of flaws within the highest touted fighters, even ATG level... such as how I was degrading Hagler vs. Jones.

Hagler cannot win, he'd get drilled, but that sounds arrogant.:yep

[kg0208]

I don't remember what I said, but I was giving out my assessments of everyone. I have nothing against you, so it couldn't have been a bad thing.

I think I said something along the lines of 'KG is very knowledge with rankings, historical elements, perspectives and all of the things wrapped up here, but he's not a fight analyst'. So, hope you weren't offended.

Anyway, don't become proficient with analysation unless you want to piss the average guy off, support underrated phenominal fighters that the average guy thinks is nothing and supremely annoy the classic boxing loyalists. Because, you'll see them as all wrong.:lol:

I'll tell you what man, it's not a matter of being a prick, it's just a matter of reaching a level of boxing analysation where you see them as just fighters and ignore the stigma involved, then you really start seeing all types of flaws within the highest touted fighters, even ATG level... such as how I was degrading Hagler vs. Jones.

Hagler cannot win, he'd get drilled, but that sounds arrogant.:yep

In historical matches, yes it sounds arrogant. But thats cuz of context and the history tied to those fighters. I don't agree with you, but besides that, how many people fans or not can imagine Hagler getting drilled by anyone. That's where people get angry, and since it can't be proven, it becomes just an argument.

Doing it on an upcoming fight....thats easier to deal with. You will either be proven right or wrong.

Nah, no offense taken, as I said, you had me pegged pretty good.

[Amsterdam]

With up coming fights, picking the winner is not the only factor involved, it's giving a total plane of how the fight will go and then placing your personal pick within that strongest plane. I like to see a lot of opposing views, IF they are in good theory, which seldom comes from many area's.

Some fights have multiple scenerio's, others are something I call 'as close to certain as it gets in boxing', I'd consider Floyd v. Hatton to be 'close to certain' for Floyd, unless Floyd just doesn't train or other unseen elements, I already count it as a win, because Hatton has no chance will get absolutely thrashed.

Then you have great fights like Diaz vs. Pac, that can go in a multiple variety of ways depending on what happens and then fights in between.

But when people are actually talking about Floyd v. Hatton as if it's even an after thought that Hatton has a 'good chance', it's mind boggling for me. Same for when they think Joe Louis as he stands from the video footage could jump in the ring and KO Samuel Peter, we have direct footage of both.

[Robbi]

That list for Pac is very doable.


Can Pacman become the greatest fighter who ever lived?

[PacDbest]

Can Pacman become the greatest fighter who ever lived?

I hope so!!! He can't touch SRR record But he will be remembered together with SRL, Hearns, Ali & Tyson those Modern Greats who participated on Exciting Great fights.

What if Pac Dominated MAB, JMM, Guzman, Diaz, Casa, Katsidis & wins all by Knockout??? This will be unprecedented in Boxing History. A former Flyweight Champ knocking out great fighters 8 weight Classes North of flyweight.

What if Pac vs PBF happened & Pac Dominated PBF like no other???? When Pac was still fighting at 112 & 122 dominating Barrera like that was unimaginable. Now tell me where will you Rate Pac if he Beat Floyd & dominate the rest of 130-135????

[brooklyn1550]

We can talk about Pacquiao beating Katsidis, Casamayor, Diaz, Marquez, Barrera, Soto, Guzman, Valero, and Linares. But once we get into talk about a potential victory over Floyd Mayweather, it gets a little too over the top.

[PacDbest]

We can talk about Pacquiao beating Katsidis, Casamayor, Diaz, Marquez, Barrera, Soto, Guzman, Valero, and Linares. But once we get into talk about a potential victory over Floyd Mayweather, it gets a little too over the top.

AS if was Mayweather was impressive Lately??? SD against old DLH??? Don't over Rate PBF too much. Ring editor Nigel Colins are ready to Crown Pac as #1 P4P is he Beat Barrera in another Dominating Performance couple with unimpressive showing of Floyd against Hatton.

[Robbi]

AS if was Mayweather was impressive Lately??? SD against old DLH??? Don't over Rate PBF too much. Ring editor Nigel Colins are ready to Crown Pac as #1 P4P is he Beat Barrera in another Dominating Performance couple with unimpressive showing of Floyd against Hatton.

Mayweather currently fights at 147lbs, and Pacman's not going to fight above 135lbs ever in his career. He'll probably move up and fight at 135lbs within the next couple of years. He doesn't have the physical frame to go above lightweight. If he did decide to move up even further, his power would diminish considerably and his speed would be effected. Those are Pacman's main attributes as a fighter, speed and power. He's always been a come forward aggressive fighter, and without speed and power he'd be playing right into bigger opponents hands. He'd become much more hittable, and his career would soon spiral downwards.

[brooklyn1550]

Mayweather currently fights at 147lbs, and Pacman's not going to fight above 135lbs ever in his career. He'll probably move up and fight at 135lbs within the next couple of years. He doesn't have the physical frame to go above lightweight. If did decide to move up even further, his power would diminish considerably and his speed would be effected. Those are Pacman's main attributes as a fighter, speed and power. He's always been a come forward aggressive fighter, and without speed and power he'd be playing right into bigger opponents hands. He'd become much more hittable, and his career would soon spiral downwards.

Exactly...the futher north Pacman travels, the less effective he will get.

[PacDbest]

Mayweather currently fights at 147lbs, and Pacman's not going to fight above 135lbs ever in his career. He'll probably move up and fight at 135lbs within the next couple of years. He doesn't have the physical frame to go above lightweight. If did decide to move up even further, his power would diminish considerably and his speed would be effected. Those are Pacman's main attributes as a fighter, speed and power. He's always been a come forward aggressive fighter, and without speed and power he'd be playing right into bigger opponents hands. He'd become much more hittable, and his career would soon spiral downwards.

Did Pac lose his Power & Speed after moving up 7 weight Classes????

[PacDbest]

Exactly...the futher north Pacman travels, the less effective he will get.

Is Pac less effective at 130???

[PacDbest]

Exactly...the futher north Pacman travels, the less effective he will get.

Pac's power is too much right now for any 130 pounder. He'll travel north to Look for competitive Challenges.

[kg0208]

Is Pac less effective at 130???

Yes...he is. He looked better at 122. Even other Pacman fans have said this.

[Robbi]

Pac's power is too much right now for any 130 pounder. He'll travel north to Look for competitive Challenges.

Pacman v Hearns, who wins?

[PacDbest]

Pacman v Hearns, who wins?

Hearns is too big!!! Hearns can even KO PBF & RJJ. Pac has the puncher's chance thou.

[PacDbest]

Yes...he is. He looked better at 122. Even other Pacman fans have said this.

You mean Ledwaba, Julio & Hussein are better than Morales & Barrera???

[kg0208]

You mean Ledwaba, Julio & Hussein are better than Morales & Barrera???
Huh? I said Pacman looked better at that weight, not that the fighters he beat are better.

See what I mean. Dude, that made no sense and you couldn't have gotten that from what I said.

Who is Duran's best win? What was his best weight? See the difference?

[PacDbest]

Huh? I said Pacman looked better at that weight, not that the fighters he beat are better.

See what I mean. Dude, that made no sense and you couldn't have gotten that from what I said.

Who is Duran's best win? What was his best weight? See the difference?

Pac is too one dimensional at 122 while Pac was almost a complete fighter now at 130.

[kg0208]

Pac is too one dimensional at 122 while Pac was almost a complete fighter now at 130.

He is more skilled now, but he has lost his overwhelming speed and power advantage like he had at 122. Other Pinoys in this thread have echoed this sentiment.

Hopkins is more skilled now than he was, but he is not as good as he was when he had the physical advantages.

[Executioner]

Pac is still one dimensional if you ask me.

[mad_takamura]

Pac is still one dimensional if you ask me. if one dimensional still means he also bobs and weaves now, has a menacing right hook ,and hits you also downstairs....not to mention the lefthook that kd em on the 2nd rnd of the pac vs em III :-(

[kg0208]

if one dimensional still means he also bobs and weaves now, has a menacing right hook ,and hits you also downstairs....not to mention the lefthook that kd em on the 2nd rnd of the pac vs em III :-(
I answered your post.....don't call me a JMM fan BTW. If you want to have a discussion, don't start off by making something up that I never mentioned. And don't act like I was not answering you on purpose, I had sleep then class....

[PacDbest]

He is more skilled now, but he has lost his overwhelming speed and power advantage like he had at 122. Other Pinoys in this thread have echoed this sentiment.

Hopkins is more skilled now than he was, but he is not as good as he was when he had the physical advantages.

Tell me who is Faster & More Powerful than Pac at 130????

[Executioner]

if one dimensional still means he also bobs and weaves now, has a menacing right hook ,and hits you also downstairs....not to mention the lefthook that kd em on the 2nd rnd of the pac vs em III :-(

It just means he has added more to his arsenal instead of just the 1-2 he consistantly threw before. He can only fight one way and that is coming forward.

[kg0208]

Tell me who is Faster & More Powerful than Pac at 130????

I never said anyone was faster and more powerful. I said he doesn't have the advantage he did before. The gap isn't anywhere near as big at 130 as it was at 130.

As far as power, Valero may match him in that, but we don't know that yet. Guzman is very quick as well. None of them put both together both like Pacman. But that's not what I said anyways.

[PacDbest]

I never said anyone was faster and more powerful. I said he doesn't have the advantage he did before. The gap isn't anywhere near as big at 130 as it was at 130.

As far as power, Valero may match him in that, but we don't know that yet. Guzman is very quick as well. None of them put both together both like Pacman. But that's not what I said anyways.

You said Pac lose his Power & Speed advantage at 130(his highest weight) which I've proven you wrong. How come He Knockout Morales twice at 130 while the champ at 135 Diaz can't even KD Morales?

[kg0208]

You said Pac lose his Power & Speed advantage at 130(his highest weight) which I've proven you wrong. How come He Knockout Morales twice at 130 while the champ at 135 Diaz can't even KD Morales?
You just don't come off bright. I don't know if it's the language barrier. But you really need to learn this language before insulting people for saying things they didn't say.

Let me make this simpler for you.

Pacman hit 3x as hard and was 3x as fast as any fighter at 122 when he was there.

Pacman hits a little harder and is a little faster than anyone at 130 since he got there. So he doesn't have the same advantage RATIO wise. Got it?

Saying he KO'd Morales doesn't disprove anything I said.

And Diaz isn't a heavy puncher at LW. So that isn't relevant either. Nothing you said proves anything I said wrong.

[mad_takamura]

You said Pac lose his Power & Speed advantage at 130(his highest weight) which I've proven you wrong. How come He Knockout Morales twice at 130 while the champ at 135 Diaz can't even KD Morales?
because em is "shot" ?

[Lance_Uppercut]

There is absolutely NO WAY Pacquiao can be another SRR. None what so ever.

[kg0208]

because em is "shot" ?

Youi're as smart as he is.

[Robbi]

Hearns is too big!!! Hearns can even KO PBF & RJJ. Pac has the puncher's chance thou.

Pacman would get knocked out inside one round by Hearns.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Yeah true.. but PACs offspring has a chance:good


Not even a snowballs chance in Manila.:hey

[PacDbest]

Pacman would get knocked out inside one round by Hearns.

I agree with you!!! Happy now????

[kg0208]

I agree with you!!! Happy now????

Is this you owning someone? Wasn't sure....

[PacDbest]

You just don't come off bright. I don't know if it's the language barrier. But you really need to learn this language before insulting people for saying things they didn't say.

Let me make this simpler for you.

Pacman hit 3x as hard and was 3x as fast as any fighter at 122 when he was there.

Pacman hits a little harder and is a little faster than anyone at 130 since he got there. So he doesn't have the same advantage RATIO wise. Got it?

Saying he KO'd Morales doesn't disprove anything I said.



And Diaz isn't a heavy puncher at LW. So that isn't relevant either. Nothing you said proves anything I said wrong.

You mean Lucero who last 3 rds at 122, and Morales in the 3rd fight who last 3 rds also are equal??? Ups you said Pac hits 3X more powerful(ratio wise) at 122 than 130. That means Lucero's chin was 3X harder than Morales??? Just a reminder KG, I'm good in Math espcially Algebra.

[PacDbest]

Is this you owning someone? Wasn't sure....
Packing stupid, I'm trying to be Sarcastic!!!:-(

[kg0208]

You mean Lucero who last 3 rds at 122, and Morales in the 3rd fight who last 3 rds also are equal??? Ups you said Pac hits 3X more powerful(ratio wise) at 122 than 130. That means Lucero's chin was 3X harder than Morales??? Just a reminder KG, I'm good in Math espcially Algebra.
Apparently not.

At what point were Lucero's and Morales' chin considred equal? Cuz they would have to be considered equal for your math to work:deal
Not to mention, we are comparing his power and speed to other fighters in his weight class, not to their chins. To do it as you want to, the control would have to be the same, and it can't be in this scenario.



Do you not get that the further you move up in weight, the less effect your power has on fighters? :lol::lol::lol:

[kg0208]

Packing stupid, I'm trying to be Sarcastic!!!:-(
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Lance_Uppercut]

You mean Lucero who last 3 rds at 122, and Morales in the 3rd fight who last 3 rds also are equal??? Ups you said Pac hits 3X more powerful(ratio wise) at 122 than 130. That means Lucero's chin was 3X harder than Morales??? Just a reminder KG, I'm good in Math espcially Algebra.

:patsch

You think it's that simple? Guys who last the same length means they are equal?

[kg0208]

:patsch

You think it's that simple? Guys who last the same length means they are equal?

Get this....he is crying in another thread that I wouldn't accept a bet with him on Dawson-Diaconu where if he won, I left for 4 weeks, but if I won, he only left for 1 week.

I made him doing it even and now he thinks I am being a pussy cuz he couldn't get an advantage.

[PacDbest]

Apparently not.

At what point were Lucero's and Morales' chin considred equal? Cuz they would have to be considered equal for your math to work:deal
Not to mention, we are comparing his power and speed to other fighters in his weight class, not to their chins. To do it as you want to, the control would have to be the same, and it can't be in this scenario.



Do you not get that the further you move up in weight, the less effect your power has on fighters? :lol::lol::lol:

That's true to most fighters but Pac is a Different Breed. Floyd lost his Power as he moved up but not Pac!!! That's why Pac for me is the real P4P king.

[PacDbest]

Get this....he is crying in another thread that I wouldn't accept a bet with him on Dawson-Diaconu where if he won, I left for 4 weeks, but if I won, he only left for 1 week.

I made him doing it even and now he thinks I am being a pussy cuz he couldn't get an advantage.

OHHH KG's looking for a shoulder to Cry on....:yep

[kg0208]

OHHH KG's looking for a shoulder to Cry on....:yep

:|:|:|:|

Kinda like you looking for help and jumping at the site of a Pinoy to back you up:lol::lol::lol:

Always a hypocrite

[BigReg]

Get this....he is crying in another thread that I wouldn't accept a bet with him on Dawson-Diaconu where if he won, I left for 4 weeks, but if I won, he only left for 1 week.

I made him doing it even and now he thinks I am being a pussy cuz he couldn't get an advantage.

Whoever is picking Dawson should have to leave for a longer period of time. Dawson is the favorite and therefore the surer bet. The person picking Diaconu has a much better chance of losing and should therefore get a shorter ban.

[kg0208]

That's true to most fighters but Pac is a Different Breed. Floyd lost his Power as he moved up but not Pac!!! That's why Pac for me is the real P4P king.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yes, those are FACTS:patsch

[kg0208]

Whoever is picking Dawson should have to leave for a longer period of time. Dawson is the favorite and therefore the surer bet. The person picking Diaconu has a much better chance of losing and should therefore get a shorter ban.
Well that's one in PacD's corner.

I don't agree. And 90% of the bets I see on ESB are even stevens. Like all the bets between Kessler and Calzaghe fans right now. And Pavlik-Taylor fans.

[PacDbest]

Whoever is picking Dawson should have to leave for a longer period of time. Dawson is the favorite and therefore the surer bet. The person picking Diaconu has a much better chance of losing and should therefore get a shorter ban.

KG did you read this??? one person here understand what you can't comprehend for 2 hrs.

[kg0208]

KG did you read this??? one person here understand what you can't comprehend for 2 hrs.

:patsch


I never said I didn't understand. I said I DON'T AGREE.

[PacDbest]

Well that's one in PacD's corner.

I don't agree. And 90% of the bets I see on ESB are even stevens. Like all the bets between Kessler and Calzaghe fans right now. And Pavlik-Taylor fans.

Well I revolutionized it here when I put underdog for 2 weeks vacation. ANd it's way more Fair betting.

[kg0208]

Well I revolutionized it here when I put underdog for 2 weeks vacation. ANd it's way more Fair betting.
Is that why bets made today in other threads were even steven?

You revolutionized? Wow......

No, its not more fair IMO.

You take the underdog cuz you believe he is the better fighter right?

In Vegas, people take the underdog lots of times not because they think they are or he is better, but because of the ratio of the WINNINGS as compared to what they will LOSE is worth the chance. That is not in play here. You are not betting based on a ratio of winning or losing. You are betting cuz you think he will win and is better. That means we are equal in our belief, and shoudl be equal in the fall.

Start a thread, like I said. If you win, I will hold up my word.

[kg0208]

Fact: You're a sorry PacHater! :twisted:
Another one sticks his head out to get stomped by everyone:deal

[teekay00]

We ALL jnew the guy can fight but did we know he could sing????

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[El Matador]

Katsidis is way too big for pac I wouldn't say that. Based on Katsidis defense and punch resistance, Pacquiao would definitely have a chance to win this.