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Bill Butcher

08-02-2009, 08:11 PM

I made this thread for several reasons, I cant be arsed going into the reasons right now, the thread will/should unveil itself so to speak :lol:..... I am a massive fan of both boxing & MMA & to cut a long story short, I dont see any possible way for a sane person to claim anyone other than Fedor to be the no1 fighter of all time.

To me, its a no brainer, I cant see a strong argument for any other fighter... period.

Ive yet to see a poll finish with a 0 on an option in all my yrs here on ESB.... technically this one should but ESB is ESB & I`ll let the loonballs take over.

:think

Beebs

08-02-2009, 08:19 PM

Yes in an absolute sense.

In a pound for pound sense, not quite sure.

Bill Butcher

08-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Yes in an absolute sense.

In a pound for pound sense, not quite sure.

No-one else has been as dominant in their weight class than Fedor has been in his, Ive never even seen the man in any sort of panick/trouble.... his completeness & coolness under pressure just blows me away, the man seems to have no weaknesses.

Beebs

08-02-2009, 08:37 PM

I'm not saying he isn't, but ones clear cut, ones not.

He might be the best pfp over the course of a whole career, but at moments GSP, Anderson Silva, and Torres have looked better. So yea I think he is over his whole career, but on those special nights those mentioned have looked better.

AmericanSugar

08-02-2009, 09:21 PM

No-one else has been as dominant in their weight class than Fedor has been in his, Ive never even seen the man in any sort of panick/trouble.... his completeness & coolness under pressure just blows me away, the man seems to have no weaknesses.

fedor has been in trouble many times in fights. he has been rocked alot, but he has the ability to recover and keep his composure.

ryanty22

08-02-2009, 09:39 PM

fedor has been in trouble many times in fights. he has been rocked alot, but he has the ability to recover and keep his composure.

that is the main factor in my saying that right now he is probably the best ever. ive never seen someone with such great recuperative abilities ontop of having probably the most well rounded skills in mma ever

jimmie

08-02-2009, 09:43 PM

I believe so.

AJAX

08-02-2009, 10:19 PM

I would say so, the man hasn't lost a fight yet, Too bad his pace has slowed down the last few yrs but he should still have some good fights in him yet.

Addie

08-02-2009, 11:07 PM

ufoalf

08-02-2009, 11:09 PM

Are we speaking strictly mixed martial artists?

We're talking about two people in a large square room no weapons no advantages. One person comes out alive.
Who you put your life money on?

ryanty22

08-02-2009, 11:11 PM

im suprized the bruce lee fans have not come out of the woodwork, talking about how bruce lee wouldve put fedors dick in the dirt with the "tiger finger penis press" or some shit like that

ryanty22

08-02-2009, 11:12 PM

chuck norris wouldve beaten them both. knocking them out with his third fist that is hidden underneath his beard

ryanty22

08-02-2009, 11:13 PM

We're talking about two people in a large square room no weapons no advantages. One person comes out alive.
Who you put your life money on?

then definately chuck norris

Sweet Pea

08-02-2009, 11:24 PM

If he fights and beats Lesnar there can be no doubt whatsoever. As it is, I still say yes.

Primenal

08-02-2009, 11:36 PM

If he fights and beats Lesnar there can be no doubt whatsoever. As it is, I still say yes.

Are you freakin serious? Fedor has what 30 MMA wins, and hasn't legitimately lost? Lesnar has fought like 4 fights, and lost once...He's beaten a Frank Mir, and an old Randy Couture. Oh wait...I forgot....He F5'ed the freakin Big Show in WWE! Those two wins, and that F5 qualify him as the best fighter, or 2nd best (depending on what happens if he'd fight Fedor) in the damn world!!!
As for Fedor it'd seem he's the best pro fighter of any kind. I mean c'mon...Were talking about "greatest fighter caught on FILM" here. Jet li has been caught on film, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Worlds strongest man Marius Pudginaski (I know I tore his name up LOL), but c'mon here. Just because somebody is an actor, just because they do a different sport, anything they could actually be the best fighter in the world. I bet there's very few MMA fighters that are going to grapple with 300 pound strongmen, and that's all some MMA fighters have.

Honestly though when you look at it like that there's really no such thing. Just like in boxing, or MMA...Styles make fights. Cotto beats Mosley, Margarito beats down Cotto, Mosley beats up Margarito. If you look at those 3 it's hard to classify a best. You could easily look at Fedor, and Fedor's resume, and qualify him as the best MMa fighter in history, but you could not make the assumption he beats 10th degree black belt monks in China.......
The best is usually an opinion......

Sweet Pea

08-02-2009, 11:43 PM

Are you freakin serious? Fedor has what 30 MMA wins, and hasn't legitimately lost? Lesnar has fought like 4 fights, and lost once...He's beaten a Frank Mir, and an old Randy Couture. Oh wait...I forgot....He F5'ed the freakin Big Show in WWE! Those two wins, and that F5 qualify him as the best fighter, or 2nd best (depending on what happens if he'd fight Fedor) in the damn world!!!
As for Fedor it'd seem he's the best pro fighter of any kind. I mean c'mon...Were talking about "greatest fighter caught on FILM" here. Jet li has been caught on film, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Worlds strongest man Marius Pudginaski (I know I tore his name up LOL), but c'mon here. Just because somebody is an actor, just because they do a different sport, anything they could actually be the best fighter in the world. I bet there's very few MMA fighters that are going to grapple with 300 pound strongmen, and that's all some MMA fighters have.

Honestly though when you look at it like that there's really no such thing. Just like in boxing, or MMA...Styles make fights. Cotto beats Mosley, Margarito beats down Cotto, Mosley beats up Margarito. If you look at those 3 it's hard to classify a best. You could easily look at Fedor, and Fedor's resume, and qualify him as the best MMa fighter in history, but you could not make the assumption he beats 10th degree black belt monks in China.......
The best is usually an opinion......:lol:You criticize my post and then go on to mention Jet Li, Chuck Norris, and a strongman contestant as legitimate arguments. Priceless.

Beebs

08-03-2009, 01:30 AM

Were talking about "greatest fighter caught on FILM" here. Jet li has been caught on film, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Worlds strongest man Marius Pudginaski (I know I tore his name up LOL), but c'mon here. Just because somebody is an actor, just because they do a different sport, anything they could actually be the best fighter in the world. I bet there's very few MMA fighters that are going to grapple with 300 pound strongmen, and that's all some MMA fighters have.

This is some powerfully stupid stuff.

Who has Jet li ever fought? Who has Bruce Le every fought? Chuck Norris is at least a world champ in karate, but thats it. Pudz? Please, he can't grapple for shit, Marcelo Garcia chokes him out in 5 min flat.

chimba

08-03-2009, 02:55 AM

I think Karelin is the greatest sport combatant caught on film and its not even close.

Lesnars exploits only reinforces my belief that had Karelin choose this field (MMA) He would have dominated as long as he wanted.

196osh

08-03-2009, 04:52 AM

achillesthegreat

08-03-2009, 07:21 AM

Overall yes. If GSP, Penn, Silva were naturally the same size, I wouldn't be so sure.

Hmmm

08-03-2009, 12:22 PM

i believe bruce lee was still captured on film. Perhaps he could do some damage to fedor...

chimba

08-03-2009, 12:48 PM

The ground control skills that Lesnar displays are different to the skills Karelin displayed.

Anyway, to suggest that a guy who has never fought in MMA would dominate MMA with Fedor in it does not compute.

Fedor getting dominated by anybody does not compute.

If it means greatest fighter in a a sport competition which really are the only ones caught on film and Wrestling is a combat sport, then Karelin is the greatest fighter caught on film.

This is what I meant. The thread starter didnt specify Vale Tudo or MMA. As for H2H its impossible to compare without assumptions.

The greatest hand combatant I have ever seen on film and supported by dominance on paper, far and away Alexander Karelin

Primenal

08-03-2009, 01:14 PM

This is some powerfully stupid stuff.

Who has Jet li ever fought? Who has Bruce Le every fought? Chuck Norris is at least a world champ in karate, but thats it. Pudz? Please, he can't grapple for shit, Marcelo Garcia chokes him out in 5 min flat.

"When Li was eight his talent for wushu was noticed at a summer course at school, and he began his practice there. Li participated in the sport of wushu ([Only registered and activated users can see links](sport)) in the non-sparring ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) event. He began his wushu on the Beijing Wushu Team ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), an athletic group organized to perform martial arts forms during the All China Games ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). As a member of the team, he received wushu training and went on to win fifteen gold medals and one silver medal in Chinese wushu championships. According to Li, once, as a child, when the Chinese National Wushu Team went to perform for President Richard Nixon in the United States, he was asked by Nixon to be his personal bodyguard. Li replied, "I don't want to protect any individual. When I grow up, I want to defend my one billion Chinese countrymen!" which earned him much respect in his homeland."

As for "Pudz" ...WTF are you talking about? You've ever seen this man grapple? NO. Actually this man is quite flexible, used to do martial arts (he actually has a vid up on youtube he said he quit cuz he didn't like getting hit), and as UFC champion NO SKILL Brock Lesnar has shown us....Power means a lot.
You'd honestly be so blind to bet against a 5'10 300 pound with a bodybuilder physicue against say....your average 200 pounders in MMA? I don't want to hear Bob Sapp as an example either...Everybody knows this guy really aint that strong, and is the suckiest big man on the planet.
Not saying all strongmen would be great at grappling (many would suck), but I wouldn't bet on any 200 pound man trying to grab them, and take them down.
People are just so blind when it comes to MMA vs anything. MMA vs boxing...Boxers win on there feet. MMA fighter vs a much bigger powerful man...*cough* frank mir vs Lesnar *cough*. I don't want to hear Lesnar's wrestling background because I have not seen any of it! That's the worst display of a wrestling background I've ever seen...Rush in, tackle somebody, hit them on top of the head. that's an NCAA champion right there....
I'm 5'6 170...I bet if any 130 pounder grabbed me I bet I could slam them to the ground, put a headlock on them, and punch them on top of the head, and yet I'm not a NCAA champion ;)

rydersonthestorm

08-03-2009, 01:26 PM

I'm 5'6 170...I bet if any 130 pounder grabbed me I bet I could slam them to the ground, put a headlock on them, and punch them on top of the head, and yet I'm not a NCAA champion ;)
:patsch:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
I bet you fucking couldn't :patsch

Sweet Pea

08-03-2009, 01:41 PM

"When Li was eight his talent for wushu was noticed at a summer course at school, and he began his practice there. Li participated in the sport of wushu ([Only registered and activated users can see links](sport)) in the non-sparring ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) event. He began his wushu on the Beijing Wushu Team ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), an athletic group organized to perform martial arts forms during the All China Games ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). As a member of the team, he received wushu training and went on to win fifteen gold medals and one silver medal in Chinese wushu championships. According to Li, once, as a child, when the Chinese National Wushu Team went to perform for President Richard Nixon in the United States, he was asked by Nixon to be his personal bodyguard. Li replied, "I don't want to protect any individual. When I grow up, I want to defend my one billion Chinese countrymen!" which earned him much respect in his homeland." :roflWell there ya go folks, that proves it. Jet Li is the man to beat Fedor.

As for "Pudz" ...WTF are you talking about? You've ever seen this man grapple? NO. Actually this man is quite flexible, used to do martial arts (he actually has a vid up on youtube he said he quit cuz he didn't like getting hit), and as UFC champion NO SKILL Brock Lesnar has shown us....Power means a lot.Lesnar has excellent top control and body control in general. He's also extremely fast for a big man and a lot taller than Pudzianowski. He's also much more versed in submissions than he used to be. His dominant size, strength, and positioning on the ground give opponents few opportunities for subs, anyway. Mainly though, yes, it is his freakish physical tools that allow him to do what he does. It's pretty much unfair. Pudz has the physical attributes, but lacks the skills to compete at the top level at this stage.

You'd honestly be so blind to bet against a 5'10 300 pound with a bodybuilder physicue against say....your average 200 pounders in MMA? I don't want to hear Bob Sapp as an example either...Everybody knows this guy really aint that strong, and is the suckiest big man on the planet.Sapp is extremely strong, he just has hardly any skills. His lack of speed (due to his mass) also hurts him. Pudz seems a lot more agile, though. I think he could fare better than Sapp in MMA.

Not saying all strongmen would be great at grappling (many would suck), but I wouldn't bet on any 200 pound man trying to grab them, and take them down. OK, then they'd just pick them apart on their feet, and if the fight went to the ground they'd probably easily catch the strong man in a submission, considering they'd have no clue what submission even is or what the set-up for it looks like. They'd get caught every time. Trust me, you can catch anyone in a submission if they don't even know what you're doing, pretty much regardless of their physical advantages.

People are just so blind when it comes to MMA vs anything. MMA vs boxing...Boxers win on there feet. In a boxing match, yes, with ease. Not sure about a boxer beating an MMA fighter in an all standup fight though (the top MMA fighters anyway). A guy like Anderson Silva would disect a boxer with leg kicks, knees, elbows, and brutal use of the 8 appendages that boxers aren't used to or capable of combating. There've been many examples of boxers entering orgs like K-1 and being utterly outclassed because of their lack of experience in those types of fights. They're not accustomed to being put in a Muay Thai plum and having knees shot at their ribs and face, and not being able to get out.

MMA fighter vs a much bigger powerful man...*cough* frank mir vs Lesnar *cough*. I don't want to hear Lesnar's wrestling background because I have not seen any of it! That's the worst display of a wrestling background I've ever seen...Rush in, tackle somebody, hit them on top of the head. that's an NCAA champion right there....You obviously weren't paying attention when he pinned Mir's arms down, rendering him helpless on the ground, while he pumped big, heavy fists into his face. His control was other-wordly. Yes, due to his physical advantages, but you have to have skill in order to be able to utilize those advantages, which Lesnar obviously did. How can you write off his wrestling pedigree when you just admitted you've seen none of it? Lesnar is a physical phenom, but he has (and continues to rapidly gain) the skills to back it up.

I'm 5'6 170...I bet if any 130 pounder grabbed me I bet I could slam them to the ground, put a headlock on them, and punch them on top of the head, and yet I'm not a NCAA champion ;)

I'm 6'1, 170 and I'd say you're delusional if you believe that.;)

AJAX

08-03-2009, 01:50 PM

nice job Sweet Pea.

Primenal

08-03-2009, 02:25 PM

I'm not saying any of these guys beat Fedor. Honestly in the octagon somebody like Fedor should beat them, but nobody is a world beater. Plus, street fighting is different from MMA.
and No..I'm not saying any strongman wins any MMA fights. I'm just saying if your 200 pounds, and you try to LOCK UP with a 300 pound strong man...Not go for his legs, not use your speed, or anything you will lose. SIMPLE.
Somebody like Bruce Lee and JKD would be one of the most beneficial things in a street fight anyways. Gouge eyes, go for there throat, groin kicks, kicks to the knee, etc. You got one man wanting to wrestle in a street fight...You got the other with the attitude he's going to disable the other one for life....Who you going to bet on?
Somebody puts you in a hold, and you just stick your fingers in there eyeballs, or grab there jewels I bet most people let go. Yeah...That's dirty, but were talking about the street aren't we? Best fighter caught on film? The best fighter would probably be the dirtiest...The title needs to be more precise.

badreader

08-03-2009, 02:26 PM

I think Karelin is the greatest sport combatant caught on film and its not even close.
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Yes!

Primenal

08-03-2009, 02:31 PM

:patsch:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
I bet you fucking couldn't :patsch

Why couldn't I? I weigh 170, and bench 300. I also box, do martial arts, and have done a little MMA. The MMA gym I used to go to had some MMA fighters over there (who had actual fights), and anybody my size I could physichally overpower along with some guys that are bigger than me. They knew holds...I knew nothing, and just held them down, or grabbed an arm/ leg, and torqed.
I'm not saying no 130 pounder couldn't sub me...I'm just saying most guys I outweigh by so much aren't going to overpower me. I'm not delusional...If you guys outweigh somebody by 40 pounds, and your much stronger than most of them I'd hope you guys would have enough confidence to say you beat most guys that size at least at wrestling around, or you seriously need to believe in yourself a little more...

rydersonthestorm

08-03-2009, 02:41 PM

Why couldn't I? I weigh 170, and bench 300. I also box, do martial arts, and have done a little MMA. The MMA gym I used to go to had some MMA fighters over there (who had actual fights), and anybody my size I could physichally overpower along with some guys that are bigger than me. They knew holds...I knew nothing, and just held them down, or grabbed an arm/ leg, and torqed.
I'm not saying no 130 pounder couldn't sub me...I'm just saying most guys I outweigh by so much aren't going to overpower me. I'm not delusional...If you guys outweigh somebody by 40 pounds, and your much stronger than most of them I'd hope you guys would have enough confidence to say you beat most guys that size at least at wrestling around, or you seriously need to believe in yourself a little more...
You said no 130 pound guy would take you down go back and read it.:lol:

Primenal

08-03-2009, 03:02 PM

You said no 130 pound guy would take you down go back and read it.:lol:

Yeah. That's apparently what I typed, but not what I really meant. I doubt many could if I were set and ready for them (by surprise it's easy to get somebody down), but I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, and some good wrestlers that could. Size does matter if you know how to use it all though. That's why boxing weight divisions are so close. That's why you watch MMA, and even a superior fighter like Fedor cannot just wrestle with guys way stronger, or bigger than them. He has to use his superior skills to beat them, grab an armbar, or straight up pummel them in the face. That's why if he faced Lesnar..Lesnar would actually put him down for quite a while (even though I do not think highly of Lesnar) til he tired out, and Fedor slapped a sub on him.

OuterDrake

08-03-2009, 03:03 PM

Probably. But he won't hold that torch for long even if he retired 40-1

mma is not in its full evolution. and his accomplishments will be shattered by another mma great. Its like the 1st baseball player to reach 500 HomeRuns. They'll be more along the way.

ufoalf

08-03-2009, 06:09 PM

Size does matter if you know how to use it all though..

Yea, that's like saying size matters in boxing if you know how to punch properly. Just cause your big and you THINK you know how to use your weight won't get you anywhere. Using your weight correctly is VERY technical and is not something you'll pick up in a year or two.

Let me put it this way, you're 170, and a guy whos 135, Ohio or Illinois HS state qualifiers will tear you a fucking new one no matter how "ready" you are for an attack from him. He WILL take you down, keep you down, and turn your face into a pulp slowly but surely.

Beebs

08-03-2009, 06:32 PM

AmericanSugar

08-03-2009, 07:26 PM

Bill Butcher

08-03-2009, 07:34 PM

fedor has been in trouble many times in fights. he has been rocked alot, but he has the ability to recover and keep his composure.

Fujita rocked him but was submitted about 30 secs later, Randlemann tried to kill him with a suplex, he was promptly disposed of about 30 secs later.... dont remember anyone else coming close to doing shit to him TBH.

Bill Butcher

08-03-2009, 07:51 PM

I was actually meaning greatest MMA fighter ever caught on film but Im ok with it meaning greatest ever in a no holds barred, no weapons, no time limit fight.

Fedor is still my choice.

TheChamp1000

08-03-2009, 10:14 PM

im suprized the bruce lee fans have not come out of the woodwork, talking about how bruce lee wouldve put fedors dick in the dirt with the "tiger finger penis press" or some shit like that

why do you think he is saying caught on film? everyone knows that there is little to document bruce lee on film for real fighting he kicked ass when the camera's were not there.

Dave_j1985

08-03-2009, 10:20 PM

lesner beating mir was purely strength. don't bullshit me and say that his wrestling skills did that for him, no it was his freakish strength that helped him dominate mir.

as for fedor being the best fighter to ever live, no. sugar ray robinson. fedor hasn't fought everybody, the sport isn't established enough to really say that. he is something very special, but because of the different organizations and promotions fedor hasn't really been in the mix lately.

Are you seriously saying Ray beats Fedor in a fight?? Yes Ray is arguably the greatest pound 4 pound boxer of all time, but I'm pretty sure we're talking absolute fighter. No weight divisions, no rules. I don't know if Fedor's the best, I do know he beats Ray.

Primenal

08-03-2009, 10:47 PM

Primenal,

You are an idiot, everything has been said by the others. Learn or leave please. You clealry are unfamiliar with the sport, you don't know mma or grappling, you know nothing. So learn on your own or ask, but presuming your horrible ideas, which fly in the face of fact and thousands of years of competition, are correct is not a good move.

Why don't you give your great ideas/ opinions if there that awesome instead of disrespecting others ideas? Or analyze my ideas and explain why they wouldn't work.
I just stated that size/ strength DO MATTER if you know how to use it. That also this isn't about MMA it's straight up street fighting, and certain people hold the advantage in that. If you think somebodies ideas are crap then why don't you argue them, and explain your point of view instead of saying "Idiot", "you don't know shit" blah blah. It'd help you make more friends :happy

Primenal

08-03-2009, 11:00 PM

Yea, that's like saying size matters in boxing if you know how to punch properly. Just cause your big and you THINK you know how to use your weight won't get you anywhere. Using your weight correctly is VERY technical and is not something you'll pick up in a year or two.

Let me put it this way, you're 170, and a guy whos 135, Ohio or Illinois HS state qualifiers will tear you a fucking new one no matter how "ready" you are for an attack from him. He WILL take you down, keep you down, and turn your face into a pulp slowly but surely.

LOL...Those guys need to lay off the juice!!! There going to attack me because there from Ohio, and they weigh 135, and I weigh 170. Plus, why does your sentence say "HIM" and "HE" When it should say "THEM" and "THEY"? Angry little fellows aren't they?
Nah anyways I don't disrespect nobody, or underestimate anyone. I seriously am a physichally gifted individual who works hard at it though...Workout 5 days a week, twice a day most of the time (workout around 3 hours a day), have good power for my size, pretty quick hands/ reflexes, some good sense, and have taken many classic ass kickings in different physichal sports, and do not mind. So, I don't say no 135 pounder couldn't grapple me, sub me, or straight up kick my ass. I'm confident in saying MOST of them will not. No disrespect, no underestimation...Simply **most** WILL NOT. I have no records saying this, have no way to prove this unless I find some 130 pound people, video record me beating them up, and throwing them around, and sticking it on youtube. Then again...If I showed that you guys wouldn't give me the credit I deserved, and say THEY WERE A BUNCH OF BUMS! :hey
BTW: To prove I'm not cocky. 170-130=40 pounds difference. I'm betting if I go up against a 210 pound man who has much strength I bet I cannot grapple him either! Know why? Cuz he freakin weighs 40 pounds more than me! That's why I practice MT, and JKD. Cuz I'm not the biggest guy on the planet, but using things like that brings them down to my level and gives me a shot.

Beebs

08-03-2009, 11:12 PM

lesner beating mir was purely strength. don't bullshit me and say that his wrestling skills did that for him, no it was his freakish strength that helped him dominate mir.

as for fedor being the best fighter to ever live, no. sugar ray robinson. fedor hasn't fought everybody, the sport isn't established enough to really say that. he is something very special, but because of the different organizations and promotions fedor hasn't really been in the mix lately.

His wrestling skills had a lot to do with it, if it were just about being strong Kongo would never get taken down.

More importantly his technical wrestling on the mat kept Mir there, most MMA guys are used to BJJ style grappling, but some technical wrestling modified to hold the guy into position as you pound him is a wrench in some guys plans.

Beebs

08-03-2009, 11:15 PM

Why don't you give your great ideas/ opinions if there that awesome instead of disrespecting others ideas? Or analyze my ideas and explain why they wouldn't work.
I just stated that size/ strength DO MATTER if you know how to use it. That also this isn't about MMA it's straight up street fighting, and certain people hold the advantage in that. If you think somebodies ideas are crap then why don't you argue them, and explain your point of view instead of saying "Idiot", "you don't know shit" blah blah. It'd help you make more friends :happy

Because everybody else already did.

You are basing this on fighting untrained idiots, not trained fighters. Yes the average joe with no skills beats the lighter average joe with no skills....no shit. That also has nothing to do with the thread.

You also seem to think wrestling is just a test of strength, its not. You could take the strongest man ever to live and Buvaisar Saitiev, all 162lbs of him puts him on his back.

You also seem to think Lesnar has no skill. You don't win a JuCo and D1 national championship with no wrestling skill, and you don't win the UFC HW title without skill; you don't beat Herring, Mir, or Randy Couture without skill. Herring was at least even striking wise with Kongo in their fight, Brock killed him standing; Mir outstruck Nog, Brock killed him standing; Randy has outstruck Liddell, Gonzaga, Sylvia, and a damn long list of other people, Brock killed him standing.

Brock is strong as hell, he is also skilled as hell.

Most importantly:

Jet fucking Li in this conversation disqualifies you from all opinion regarding who is and who is not a good fighter.

The question is who is the best fighter caught on film. You name one guy who has fought on film, and that was in point karate. That is how strongly you failed.

rekcutnevets

08-03-2009, 11:42 PM

I voted yes.

There are still enough heavyweights outside the UFC for Fedor to hold onto his top position in the sport, but none that can really elevate his status.

The UFC has Lesnar, Silva, and Machida; and they could raise his status to a level no one may achieve any time soon. They could also bring him down a notch, and maybe even unjustifiably. Fedor is in his 30's, and it makes a difference. That's a different topic though.

Lesnar is an athlete like no one Fedor has faced. Silva is as complete an mma fighter there is, and he is faster. Machida is extremely fast, is strong, and may be of Silva's caliber within his next couple fights. Machida probably cuts from a weight near to which Fedor fights at.

ufoalf

08-04-2009, 12:04 AM

LOL...Those guys need to lay off the juice!!! There going to attack me because there from Ohio, and they weigh 135, and I weigh 170. Plus, why does your sentence say "HIM" and "HE" When it should say "THEM" and "THEY"? Angry little fellows aren't they?
Nah anyways I don't disrespect nobody, or underestimate anyone. I seriously am a physichally gifted individual who works hard at it though...Workout 5 days a week, twice a day most of the time (workout around 3 hours a day), have good power for my size, pretty quick hands/ reflexes, some good sense, and have taken many classic ass kickings in different physichal sports, and do not mind. So, I don't say no 135 pounder couldn't grapple me, sub me, or straight up kick my ass. I'm confident in saying MOST of them will not. No disrespect, no underestimation...Simply **most** WILL NOT. I have no records saying this, have no way to prove this unless I find some 130 pound people, video record me beating them up, and throwing them around, and sticking it on youtube. Then again...If I showed that you guys wouldn't give me the credit I deserved, and say THEY WERE A BUNCH OF BUMS! :hey
BTW: To prove I'm not cocky. 170-130=40 pounds difference. I'm betting if I go up against a 210 pound man who has much strength I bet I cannot grapple him either! Know why? Cuz he freakin weighs 40 pounds more than me! That's why I practice MT, and JKD. Cuz I'm not the biggest guy on the planet, but using things like that brings them down to my level and gives me a shot.

You have not a clue about the concept of skill in grappling. If you did wrestling as long as you did MT and JKD you'd handle that poor 210lb man like a rag doll.

ufoalf

08-04-2009, 12:07 AM

Jet fucking Li in this conversation disqualifies you from all opinion regarding who is and who is not a good fighter.

The question is who is the best fighter caught on film. You name one guy who has fought on film, and that was in point karate. That is how strongly you failed.

Umm, bro, hate to disagree with you on this one but Jet Li beat the shit out of Couture, Liddell AND Tito Ortiz ALL at the same time, just watch "Cradle 2 The Grave". I'm pretty sure he has you on that one.