Orlando Canizales .Vs. Jeff Chandler(Prime)

[la-califa]

How would a Bantamweight Title fight have been if Orlando fought Jeff in his prime? 15 rounds.

[ThinBlack]

Didn't Jeff beat Orlando at some point? Maybe I'm mistaken.

[la-califa]

Didn't Jeff beat Orlando at some point? Maybe I'm mistaken.
No, Orlando came a few years later. defeating Kelvin Seabrooks a few years later to win the Bantamweight Championship.

[anarci]

Didn't Jeff beat Orlando at some point? Maybe I'm mistaken. No you are thinking of his brother Gaby, who Jeff decisioned.

This is a tough one have to think about this one:huh:huh:think

[Sweet Pea]

My gut instinct would be Canizales without thinking it through too much. Chandler was a good all arounder, but he never did anything for me.

[natonic]

There were two version of Chandler. Funny but true. His in ring prowess can be paralleled with his haircuts. Early in his title reign he had kind of a crew cut. He was a little more disciplined and on top of his game. He beat guys like Lujan, Solis, Murata, and Johnny Carter. I'd give this Chandler the edge against Canizales.
Then Chandler a Jeri curl type haircut and reportedly got in to drugs also. He lost a non-title effort to Oscar Muniz and then lost the title to Richie Sandoval. I think Canizales could potentially stop this version of Chandler.
I think prime Chandler gets a little underrated. He wasn't as aesthetically pleasing as Canizales but he was very effective. He had a large wingspan for a Bantamweight but was by no means fragile. He had a good punch and could mix it up on the inside and get rough if necessary. I think all in all he fought a higher level of competition than Canizales.

[anarci]

There were two version of Chandler. Funny but true. His in ring prowess can be paralleled with his haircuts. Early in his title reign he had kind of a crew cut. He was a little more disciplined and on top of his game. He beat guys like Lujan, Solis, Murata, and Johnny Carter. I'd give this Chandler the edge against Canizales.
Then Chandler a Jeri curl type haircut and reportedly got in to drugs also. He lost a non-title effort to Oscar Muniz and then lost the title to Richie Sandoval. I think Canizales could potentially stop this version of Chandler.
I think prime Chandler gets a little underrated. He wasn't as aesthetically pleasing as Canizales but he was very effective. He had a large wingspan for a Bantamweight but was by no means fragile. He had a good punch and could mix it up on the inside and get rough if necessary. I think all in all he fought a higher level of competition than Canizales.

I agree that Chandler gets underrated here, it is especially surprising that many fans of the little guys hardly mention him. Chandler was very highly regarded when he was fighting and was always mentioned on PFP list, in a time when there were some Well known Legends fighting. Many thought he was better than Pintor, were as know it seems like Pintor is more highly regarded.

[natonic]

I agree that Chandler gets underrated here, it is especially surprising that many fans of the little guys hardly mention him. Chandler was very highly regarded when he was fighting and was always mentioned on PFP list, in a time when there were some Well known Legends fighting. Many thought he was better than Pintor, were as know it seems like Pintor is more highly regarded.

Shame that fight never happened. I personally would've picked Chandler over Pintor, but I think it's razor close and I certainly wouldn't argue with anyone taking Pintor. That's a real tossup IMO.

[anarci]

Yey I agree, i think i might take Chandler by a decision, but would be surprised if Pintor pulled it out.

[natonic]

p.s. In my opinion, had Pintor and Chandler fought, the winner maybe gets a mention in that upper echelon of Bantamweights that we have so much respect for.

[natonic]

Yey I agree, i think i might take Chandler by a decision, but would be surprised if Pintor pulled it out.

I think Pintor and Canizales run in to the same difficulty with Chandler. Chandler's height and reach presents problems. If he controls that distance and keeps it from becoming a war they have a hard time getting a decision against Chandler. And I'd lean against either of them stopping him (although it's possible).

[anarci]

I think Pintor and Canizales run in to the same difficulty with Chandler. Chandler's height and reach presents problems. If he controls that distance and keeps it from becoming a war they have a hard time getting a decision against Chandler. And I'd lean against either of them stopping him (although it's possible).:good:yep

[ThinBlack]

No, Orlando came a few years later. defeating Kelvin Seabrooks a few years later to win the Bantamweight Championship.

Okay, I actually remember the time those two fought, thanks.:good

No you are thinking of his brother Gaby, who Jeff decisioned.

This is a tough one have to think about this one:huh:huh:think

Yeah, I actually was thinking about Gaby, I saw that fight years ago, thanks.:good


I think Jeff could probably beat Orlando in a very tough fight.That Haircut analogy was right on point by Natonic.

[teeto]

I think Chandler could use his jab to good effect, he's best doing just that and trying to offset Canizales' great usage of angles which set up both his heavy artillery and point scoring stuff. I reckon Canizales could adapt though and outowork his man, for a decision.

[Flea Man]

Khaokor beats 'em both.

[teeto]

Khaokor beats 'em both.
Very possible. Would be hard though, both of these guys have difficult styles there.

[PhillyPhan69]

There were two version of Chandler. Funny but true. His in ring prowess can be paralleled with his haircuts. Early in his title reign he had kind of a crew cut. He was a little more disciplined and on top of his game. He beat guys like Lujan, Solis, Murata, and Johnny Carter. I'd give this Chandler the edge against Canizales.
Then Chandler a Jeri curl type haircut and reportedly got in to drugs also. He lost a non-title effort to Oscar Muniz and then lost the title to Richie Sandoval. I think Canizales could potentially stop this version of Chandler.
I think prime Chandler gets a little underrated. He wasn't as aesthetically pleasing as Canizales but he was very effective. He had a large wingspan for a Bantamweight but was by no means fragile. He had a good punch and could mix it up on the inside and get rough if necessary. I think all in all he fought a higher level of competition than Canizales.

I don't know how much you can make of the loss to Muniz in the first bout, if the comments chandler makes in interviews and articles about this affair are accurate.

From an interview with Dan Hanley

Tell me about your fights with Oscar Muniz.
The first fight was non-title. I believe someone on the original card dropped out because, on two days' notice, they offered me the fight. Normally I wouldn't accept, because I hadn't been in the gym, but they put $100,000 on the table, and I couldn't turn it down. I'll give him credit, he was ready for the fight and fought like it, beating me over 10. So, I did what was right and defended my title against him, because he deserved it. Again, he was ready for it, but this time so was I. It was a good fight, but I stopped him in seven.

[PhillyPhan69]

I know I have a little (OK a huge) PHILLY bias, and it might come through!

"Joltin" Jeff Chandler probably gets a little overrated by me, and underrated by alot. I personally like his chances against any bantam H2H, and think his size and accuracy present a unique problem for any...My favorite fantasy match's for him are Pintor who I wished he would have fought...and Panama Al Brown

In his match with brother Gabby, Chandler talked respectfully about a guy that hurt him to the body more than he ever experienced. He said wistfully in later years said that he was the only man he would come out of retirement to fight because it was such a pleasure and challange to fight him. I would personally think a little of how that fight went down is some of what would be evidenced here. I am also reminded of oscar's SD loss to similar sized Junior Jones (I know that was Super Bantam) and some of the difficulty he had with the reach and closing the distance in that fight.

I would still take Jeff in this match although I think it would be closer than the fight with Gabby bordering on a tight cards win possibly a draw or SD/MD on the cards...But I will still lean towards Jeff

[The Funny Man 7]

Michael Nunn always reminded me of Chandler in a way, because in some fights he was outstanding and looked like a great fighter, but in others, like in the Muniz fight he would fritter away rounds being lazy and content to coast against clearly inferior opponents.

[PhillyPhan69]

Michael Nunn always reminded me of Chandler in a way, because in some fights he was outstanding and looked like a great fighter, but in others, like in the Muniz fight he would fritter away rounds being lazy and content to coast against clearly inferior opponents.

Once again he took the Muniz fight on only 2 days notice, and had not been preparing to fight any fighter let alone one of Muniz's caliber. I think that serves as a decent explanation for his performance. I am not sure (and I have quite abit of his footage) there is another lackluster performance like that with the exception of his final fight(s).