I'm officially a Terry Norris nuthugger!

[BENNY BLANCO]

For the longest time I've had the wrong perception of Terry Norris but for the past 3 months my viewpoint on the man has changed drastically through watching his clips on youtube and last week I got his complete career set on DVD's from a good friend of mine who use to post here by the name of Smoochp.

I have always known that Terry Norris was a fantastic fighter but like many other people I defined him by his punch resistance issues. Everytime I saw a thread involving Norris in a head to head matchup against a great fighter with power I would always never side with Norris because of what I saw in the first Simon Brown fight.

For the past couple of days I have watched nothing but Terry Norris fights and believe it or not I think he is the greatest offensive fighter I have ever seened before. I love his masterpiece performance in the Simon Brown rematch and his 12 round schooling of Paul Vaden or his 1 round destruction of John Mugabi. It seems like every fight of his I have watched so far has been entertaining and packed with superb skills.

Getting back to his head to head status historically, I would now favor him over the likes of Trinidad, Vargas,De La Hoya, Mosley,Winky all at 154. I know that may be controvertial to some but it's my honest assement of him. I love the guy as a fighter and his offense is truly amazing.

[Thread Stealer]

For the longest time I've had the wrong perception of Terry Norris but for the past 3 months my viewpoint on the man has changed drastically through watching his clips on youtube and last week I got his complete career set on DVD's from a good friend of mine who use to post here by the name of Smoochp.

I have always known that Terry Norris was a fantastic fighter but like many other people I defined him by his punch resistance issues. Everytime I saw a thread involving Norris in a head to head matchup against a great fighter with power I would always never side with Norris because of what I saw in the first Simon Brown fight.

For the past couple of days I have watched nothing but Terry Norris fights and believe it or not I think he is the greatest offensive fighter I have ever seened before. I love his masterpiece performance in the Simon Brown rematch and his 12 round schooling of Paul Vaden or his 1 round destruction of John Mugabi. It seems like every fight of his I have watched so far has been entertaining and packed with superb skills.

Getting back to his head to head status historically, I would now favor him over the likes of Trinidad, Vargas,De La Hoya, Mosley,Winky all at 154. I know that may be controvertial to some but it's my honest assement of him. I love the guy as a fighter and his offense is truly amazing.

I think his chin would let him down against Trinidad. Conceivably he could fight a perfect boxing fight and beat Tito but his tendency to exchange, ocassional mental lapses on defense, and dubious chin would do him in IMO.

I'd make him the favorite over the other guys at 154. He's a tough fighter to predict in mythical matchups due to his dubious chin. Of course he could end up losing by fouling as he often did.

I love watching Norris's combinations. Very crisp and fluid. I'd say my favorite fight of his is probably the Carl Daniels fight.

[DRmullen2]

When on Terry was a super Bad Ass..

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Posted by BENNY BLANCO View Post
For the longest time I've had the wrong perception of Terry Norris but for the past 3 months my viewpoint on the man has changed drastically through watching his clips on youtube and last week I got his complete career set on DVD's from a good friend of mine who use to post here by the name of Smoochp.

I have always known that Terry Norris was a fantastic fighter but like many other people I defined him by his punch resistance issues. Everytime I saw a thread involving Norris in a head to head matchup against a great fighter with power I would always never side with Norris because of what I saw in the first Simon Brown fight.

For the past couple of days I have watched nothing but Terry Norris fights and believe it or not I think he is the greatest offensive fighter I have ever seened before. I love his masterpiece performance in the Simon Brown rematch and his 12 round schooling of Paul Vaden or his 1 round destruction of John Mugabi. It seems like every fight of his I have watched so far has been entertaining and packed with superb skills.

Getting back to his head to head status historically, I would now favor him over the likes of Trinidad, Vargas,De La Hoya, Mosley,Winky all at 154. I know that may be controvertial to some but it's my honest assement of him. I love the guy as a fighter and his offense is truly amazing.
I think Norris gets a little underrated because of the questionable chin. I think Norris would beat Trinidad to the punch, and keep Trinidad in his waiting to pounce stance all fight long. I would pick him over Vargas, and not bat an eye in doing so. I'll side with you on De la Hoya, Mosley, and Wright as well.

I rate Norris my 3rd best ever at 154. Julian Jackson rate above for stopping Norris, and Mike McCallum #1 for stopping Jackson.

[Seamus]

I really like Terry back in the day.

However, he would have most likely lost the Julio Cesar Vazquez. A very, very bad match-up for him.

[BENNY BLANCO]

I think Norris gets a little underrated because of the questionable chin. I think Norris would beat Trinidad to the punch, and keep Trinidad in his waiting to pounce stance all fight long. I would pick him over Vargas, and not bat an eye in doing so. I'll side with you on De la Hoya, Mosley, and Wright as well.

I rate Norris my 3rd best ever at 154. Julian Jackson rate above for stopping Norris, and Mike McCallum #1 for stopping Jackson. It hurts me to pick him over Tito because Tito is my all time favorite fighter but I do have to call it as I see it.

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Posted by Seamus
However, he would have most likely lost the Julio Cesar Vazquez. A very, very bad match-up for him.
Why would this be a bad match-up for Norris? I think Norris' speed would be too much for Vazquez.

[young griffo]

Norris was a brilliant fighter whose speed,skills and sharp punching make him a very,very dangerous match up for anyone when he's in control.

But he had a bad habit of letting his emotions get the better of him in the ring and it cost him on numerous occasions.Witness the 2 Santana DQ's,the Water's near disaster,and the debacle against Simon Brown.He had no business even struggling against these guy's but he fought dumb and lost and nearly lost fights he never should've.

Lapses like these against someone like De La Hoya or Trinidad could very well see Norris get KTFO.That said on his best night he's a big chance against both men as well.

[The Kurgan]

I think his footwork was as much of a failing as his chin. He was a reverse Zoolander: he had a problem with turning right. I think he could have beaten Julian Jackson if he hadn't been continually tying himself up with his own feet.

However, Norris had a terrific combination of speed, skill and power. His weaknesses shouldn't outshine his considerable strengths.

[Seamus]

Why would this be a bad match-up for Norris? I think Norris' speed would be too much for Vazquez.

Norris didn't like stout hitters which JCV very much was, and determined to boot. Terry also had a fighting heart and like to mix it up. That would be a bad recipe for him.

This fight was on the table but avoided by one party.

[lefthook31]

Norris was a great fighter, but age slowed him down and ruined his chin. I was a little disappointed when he completely outclassed Paul Vaden, after Vaden's dramatic 12 round ko win over Vincent Pettway. Pettway was coming off a vicious knockout of Simon Brown who was knocked out laying on his back throwing punches into the air unconscious.
Vaden talked so much smack before the Norris fight and then didnt show up. I really thought stylistically it would be a really good fight. Its like Vaden was satisfied winning the title, and just let Norris dictate the entire fight. :huh
Interesting group of solid fighters that faced each other which filled in the void of a significant heavyweight champion. Don King put on some great fight cards, with Randall Chavez, Norris Brown, Nelson Leija and Mclellan Jackson. I think every favored fighter lost the first time around so King put together the "Revenge the Rematches" card which had the exact same fights.

[PowerPuncher]

For the longest time I've had the wrong perception of Terry Norris but for the past 3 months my viewpoint on the man has changed drastically through watching his clips on youtube and last week I got his complete career set on DVD's from a good friend of mine who use to post here by the name of Smoochp.

I have always known that Terry Norris was a fantastic fighter but like many other people I defined him by his punch resistance issues. Everytime I saw a thread involving Norris in a head to head matchup against a great fighter with power I would always never side with Norris because of what I saw in the first Simon Brown fight.

For the past couple of days I have watched nothing but Terry Norris fights and believe it or not I think he is the greatest offensive fighter I have ever seened before. I love his masterpiece performance in the Simon Brown rematch and his 12 round schooling of Paul Vaden or his 1 round destruction of John Mugabi. It seems like every fight of his I have watched so far has been entertaining and packed with superb skills.

Getting back to his head to head status historically, I would now favor him over the likes of Trinidad, Vargas,De La Hoya, Mosley,Winky all at 154. I know that may be controvertial to some but it's my honest assement of him. I love the guy as a fighter and his offense is truly amazing.

I've believed this for a long time, on the top of his game Norris is an amazing fighter, he beats all of those, would have beat Vasquez and Whitaker too

[jont]

I watched almost all of Terry's fights when he was in his prime..he beats Vasquez in my opinion.. Vazquez's power was not the best in my opinion ...Terry had speed and the ability to befuddle an opponent...no way that the Argentinian beats Norris... I think Terry beats Oscar and Trinidad for sure if he has the respect of Tito and boxes him

[PowerPuncher]

I think his chin would let him down against Trinidad. Conceivably he could fight a perfect boxing fight and beat Tito but his tendency to exchange, ocassional mental lapses on defense, and dubious chin would do him in IMO.

I'd make him the favorite over the other guys at 154. He's a tough fighter to predict in mythical matchups due to his dubious chin. Of course he could end up losing by fouling as he often did.

I love watching Norris's combinations. Very crisp and fluid. I'd say my favorite fight of his is probably the Carl Daniels fight.

Trinidad has never done well against the best boxers hes faced. Plus Tito was ready to go against Vargas and had to foul out to get himself out of jail. Norris may well finnish Tito, he will have an easier time landing, is the better boxer and clearly proven as a puncher at the weight

[Vantage_West]

Norris was a great fighter, but age slowed him down and ruined his chin. I was a little disappointed when he completely outclassed Paul Vaden, after Vaden's dramatic 12 round ko win over Vincent Pettway. Pettway was coming off a vicious knockout of Simon Brown who was knocked out laying on his back throwing punches into the air unconscious.
Vaden talked so much smack before the Norris fight and then didnt show up. I really thought stylistically it would be a really good fight. Its like Vaden was satisfied winning the title, and just let Norris dictate the entire fight. :huh
Interesting group of solid fighters that faced each other which filled in the void of a significant heavyweight champion. Don King put on some great fight cards, with Randall Chavez, Norris Brown, Nelson Leija and Mclellan Jackson. I think every favored fighter lost the first time around so King put together the "Revenge the Rematches" card which had the exact same fights.
god vaden was incredible. really like his style tall but good inside fighter and amazing handspeed. talking about norris and vaden pre-talks...anyone remember vaden rapping:lol: i remember a line going something like this.
hit you so hard i'll break my hands/
this division is mine not yours little man/

poet laurette

dunno why he had no belief to fight. good performance by norris, he did everythign right..but sadly was dancing solo

[Vantage_West]

on the thread subject.
at last another believer...at one point it was only me and rooster repping norris. this summer and i guess past year there have been alot of norris threads popping up...and him actually winning fantasy matches not losing to vargas ko1 < this has been written

[lefthook31]

LOL! Norris would have killed Vargas

[Seamus]

I watched almost all of Terry's fights when he was in his prime..he beats Vasquez in my opinion.. Vazquez's power was not the best in my opinion ...Terry had speed and the ability to befuddle an opponent...no way that the Argentinian beats Norris... I think Terry beats Oscar and Trinidad for sure if he has the respect of Tito and boxes him

If Troy Waters was able to KD Norris, Vasquez puts him through the canvas. This was the same fighter who wore down Winky Wright and KD'd him 5 times. ANd don't give me that crap that Wright was green. He was 23 and had been on people's radar for a long time.

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Posted by Seamus
If Troy Waters was able to KD Norris, Vasquez puts him through the canvas. This was the same fighter who wore down Winky Wright and KD'd him 5 times. ANd don't give me that crap that Wright was green. He was 23 and had been on people's radar for a long time.
Vasquez was certainly better than Troy Waters, but I don't know that he hits any harder. It's not like he's Julian Jackson or anything. Vazquez was strong, and wore people down with accumulation. Norris went the distance with Castro, and Castro was strong at 154.

[lefthook31]

If Troy Waters was able to KD Norris, Vasquez puts him through the canvas. This was the same fighter who wore down Winky Wright and KD'd him 5 times. ANd don't give me that crap that Wright was green. He was 23 and had been on people's radar for a long time.
I dont think Norris would fight Vasquez the same he did Watters. Norris was pretty dam quick at his best, and usually handled one dimensional guys pretty good regardless of how much power they had. I think Wright improved himself substantially since the Vasquez fight as well. That being said if Vasquez connected he could hurt Norris easy.

[bxrfan]

If Troy Waters was able to KD Norris, Vasquez puts him through the canvas. This was the same fighter who wore down Winky Wright and KD'd him 5 times. ANd don't give me that crap that Wright was green. He was 23 and had been on people's radar for a long time.
If Henry Cooper was able to KD Ali, Liston puts him through the canvas.


See what I did there? :tong

[BENNY BLANCO]

Trinidad has never done well against the best boxers hes faced. Plus Tito was ready to go against Vargas and had to foul out to get himself out of jail. Norris may well finnish Tito, he will have an easier time landing, is the better boxer and clearly proven as a puncher at the weight Well I have to disagree with some things you said such as Tito was "ready to go" against Vargas. Tito got knocked down but was'nt seriously hurt and Tito did prove himself to be a legit power puncher at 154 with only 3 fights there. But yes I agree that if Tito does'nt knock out Norris then Tito would lose a decision to the Norris who put on a masterpiece in the Simon Brown rematch.

[Seamus]

If Henry Cooper was able to KD Ali, Liston puts him through the canvas.

That was actually an overheard quote from a promoter some here might have known in the 90's in reference to why Norris refused to fight JCV. You people are vastly under-rating JCV and over-inflating Norris. Norris pursued way too hard for his brittle whiskers and did not have great defense.

[bxrfan]

That was actually an overheard quote from a promoter some here might have known in the 90's in reference to why Norris refused to fight JCV. You people are vastly under-rating JCV and over-inflating Norris. Norris pursued way too hard for his brittle whiskers and did not have great defense.
We're not underrating Vasquez at all. I know very well that JCV was really undefeated when he faced Whitaker, as he was winning the Verno Phillips fight when he was disqualified for some bogus reason.

Still, it seems to me that if there's one person who's underrating anybody, it's you. If Norris had such brittle whiskers, then why did he manage to beat Mugabi, Leonard, Curry, Castro, Taylor, Brown, Pettway, etc.? Forget where they were in their careers, all they would have to do is catch him and he's gone right? :roll:

He got knocked out by the pound for pound hardest puncher of all time. I think we can give him a pass for that. He was winning the fight before he was knocked out too. Brown was an extremely hard hitting welterweight, who had numerous weight problems at 147, so he's by no means a small light middle. He fought the wrong fight that night, the rematch straightens things out.

I discount the Mullings and Boudouani fights, he was clearly past it by then. It's like Morales when he lost his last four fights, burned out by a young age.

Trinidad almost got knocked out by Campas, he got up and won the fight by knockout. Same with the Vargas fight. Just because someone has a shaky chin doesn't mean they can't get around it somehow. Norris, when his head was straight, was as good a fighter as one could get. Just look at the rematch with Simon Brown, a completely different fighter than in the first fight.

All i'm saying is, the Vasquez-Norris fight could go either way. I give the slight edge to Norris, but that's just me. I also say that it's Norris who's underrated here.

[Cobra33]

Vasquez would have been too much for Norris.Norris was good but had a paper chin.

[Seamus]

All i'm saying is, the Vasquez-Norris fight could go either way. I give the slight edge to Norris, but that's just me. I also say that it's Norris who's underrated here.

Pretty much what I think except I go the way of Vasquez.

As I was single and well to do at the time, I saw a lot of both fighters live. I really liked them both. I think JCV got the typical "he ain't American so he ain't shit" treatment and then his prime passed and he kept on fighting. He really was a handful for any junior middle ever. Norris was flashier and intimidating, and almost always brought the excitement. He was "easier" for the uninitiated to get but also had some vulnerabilities and flaws. Great fighter, none the less.

[mochabuzz]

Norris represented my hometown of San Diego:thumbsup