LIGHTWEIGHT TOURNAMENT ROUND 2- Hector Camacho vs Pernell Whitaker

[teeto]

No reason, no vote:D

12 rounds

[teeto]

I think Whitaker can definitely offset Camacho's good work, though a bit of in and out movement together with the fast hands would clearly win The Macho Man some points. I see Whitaker's points being earned in a similar fashion to how he got those against De La Hoya, exposing some 'more flash than substance' type work on his opponent's behalf. Proabably would look even more convincing though here with Whitaker's better movement and ring generalship.

Whitaker on points.

[WhataRock]

Its all about the Jab baby...Hec looked pretty awesome against guys a few levels below Pernell but always failed when he made that next step up.

Hector's handspeed gives Whitaker something to think about but in the end its Sweet Pea's right hand the dictates the fight.

[GPater11093]

Hectors speed might trouble Pernell abit but Pea is very adaptable and figures it out and uses his own offence to take a decison

[smitty_son408]

Hector simply not smart enough to deal with someone on the level of Sweet Pea. He would be totally perplexed by his movement and the constant movement and rhythm off set by Pea's constant jab.

Whitaker on pts

[PowerPuncher]

Hectors speed would cause Whitaker problems early on and he would have been 1 of the few to actual land cleanly on Whitaker. Whitaker would use his jab to 'be first' and time his left hand. After 6rounds I see this as level, but after that Hector will slow and Whitakers timing, superior defense, body attack take over the fight and he dominates the last 8 putting Hector on his bike, Camacho probably wins another couple of rounds on route to a decisive loss

Whitaker UD 10-5 (pity Camacho is going out so early)

[duranimal]

The question begs who would take the offence 1st:huh

I'd compare this match up too an Italian soccer match, intriguing match up without doubt & i've got 2 say i would'nt know how it would pan out as this would be like watching two eels trying 2 fight:lol:

One 4 the fistic purists 4 sure, but it'd be boo'ed out of down by the modern fight fan more's the shame so i'am going to stick my neck out & say it's a DRAW:smoke

[Bing]

The only advantage i would give Camacho over Whitaker is Speed and while this would cause pea some problems i see him making adjustments after the first couple of rounds and taking a clear UD.

[laxpdx]

The question begs who would take the offence 1st:huh

I'd compare this match up too an Italian soccer match, intriguing match up without doubt & i've got 2 say i would'nt know how it would pan out as this would be like watching two eels trying 2 fight:lol:
Good analogy.

One 4 the fistic purists 4 sure, but it'd be boo'ed out of down by the modern fight fan more's the shame so i'am going to stick my neck out & say it's a DRAW:smoke

I will, too. :yep

[GPater11093]

The question begs who would take the offence 1st:huh

I'd compare this match up too an Italian soccer match, intriguing match up without doubt & i've got 2 say i would'nt know how it would pan out as this would be like watching two eels trying 2 fight:lol:

One 4 the fistic purists 4 sure, but it'd be boo'ed out of down by the modern fight fan more's the shame so i'am going to stick my neck out & say it's a DRAW:smoke

I think Pea would be quite offensive in this fight to controll it

[Mr Butt]

as said speed is camacho`s only advantage here and after round 3 whitaker has worked camacho out and later in the fight becomes more aggressive and takes a close but clear ud

[lefthook31]

Witakers slickness and ring smarts makes the difference. I can say it would be a horribly boring fight, but I would pick Whitaker in a tactical snoozefest.

[PunchOut]

Witakers slickness and ring smarts makes the difference. I can say it would be a horribly boring fight, but I would pick Whitaker in a tactical snoozefest.

i know this would be a horrible fight .... because of the styles but i think Pernell's in and out gameplan would break Camacho slowly and winning a hard but comfortable UD

something like 8-4

So
Pernell UD

[jyuza]

Witakers slickness and ring smarts makes the difference. I can say it would be a horribly boring fight, but I would pick Whitaker in a tactical snoozefest.

How did you find the Whitaker - De La Hoya fight ? Boring too ?

[Sweet Pea]

I strongly doubt Pea would opt to box Camacho at ring center and oblige in a countering match. He'd press the pace, get inside and beat Camacho up. That would be his major advantage in this fight and he'd know it.

[jyuza]

I strongly doubt Pea would opt to box Camacho at ring center and oblige in a countering match. He'd press the pace, get inside and beat Camacho up. That would be his major advantage in this fight and he'd know it.

That's exactly my point. I am sure he would fight the same way he fought against Oscar in the second half of their fight which was chasing the opponent, jabbing, moving, working on the body... Camacho was fast but so was Whitaker.

[smitty_son408]

Where's Rooster? I believe he had a claim of how Camacho would win this match-up.

[duranimal]

I think Pea would be quite offensive in this fight to controll it

He'd have too:yep it all depends what Camacho shows up though? the one that out boxed & decked Ramirez or the post Rosario version that snaked his way too a UD over Boza-Edwards. Camacho is being seriously underestimad here IMO & a few posters seem too think that Pernell will beat Camacho up:nono there's no chance of that happening ever, PERIOD!

Don't be suprised at this being a S/D with 2 judges having it WIDE for both & the one judge having it a draw or one point in it, thats the sort of fight this would be:smoke

I'am not that PC savvy, so do you think you could up-load Camacho/Ramirez from U-tube please, the 2nd clip is superb at the end with larry merchant trying too get a word in, It shows HECTOR calling out Mancini/Whitaker/Holmes & Pryor, some sensitive PC types may find it offensive but thats how it was back then:smoke

[sweet_scientist]

He'd have too:yep it all depends what Camacho shows up though? the one that out boxed & decked Ramirez or the post Rosario version that snaked his way too a UD over Boza-Edwards. Camacho is being seriously underestimad here IMO & a few posters seem too think that Pernell will beat Camacho up:nono there's no chance of that happening ever, PERIOD!

Don't be suprised at this being a S/D with 2 judges having it WIDE for both & the one judge having it a draw or one point in it, thats the sort of fight this would be:smoke

I'am not that PC savvy, so do you think you could up-load Camacho/Ramirez from U-tube please, the 2nd clip is superb at the end with larry merchant trying too get a word in, It shows HECTOR calling out Mancini/Whitaker/Holmes & Pryor, some sensitive PC types may find it offensive but thats how it was back then:smoke


He was calling Whitaker out in 1985 when Whitaker was one year out of the ams. Know why? Because Pernell was beating that ass when he as still an amatuer :good

10 rounds to 2 Whitaker.

[redrooster]

Where's Rooster? I believe he had a claim of how Camacho would win this match-up.

Two southpaw slicksters but one faster and sharper than the other. Got to go with the faster man. Pernell would get frustrated here because he's never been up against another boxer with better reaction time. When it comes to a contest between two boxers, speed will win out.

[redrooster]

It's common sense people!

Hector U 12 Whitaker

[Flea Man]

Pea would win an easy decision. He'd just batter Camacho on the inside like Chavez did. or outbox him.

[Flea Man]

Two southpaw slicksters but one faster and sharper than the other. Got to go with the faster man. Pernell would get frustrated here because he's never been up against another boxer with better reaction time. When it comes to a contest between two boxers, speed will win out.

Are you taking the piss???? Pea is a much sharper puncher, Camacho's flurries would be ineffective against Pea.

[redrooster]

Are you taking the piss???? Pea is a much sharper puncher, Camacho's flurries would be ineffective against Pea.

How can he be sharper when he can't even match his speed? hector was both sharper AND faster, both with his hands and on his feet. he dispatched Ramirez with less effort and I feel he would also outspeed Pernell.

Pernell can't hurt Hector either. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that got hurt by Pernell. Hector COULD hurt a man but often held back his full attack. I'm sure that with Pernell, he would make an exception.

When Hector hit a man, the strike would go clean through and put his man down-one punch. I've seen Hector put many a sturdy fighter down with one shot-Loy, Coverson, Limon, Boza Edwards, Ramierez. Whitaker can't do that which means he's not as sharp.

Pernell hitting a man at normal speed would have club a man over and over.


Pernel wouldnt be able to hit him clean, let alone get him to fight on the inside because of hector's lateral movement. Hector never fought on the inside; that's not his style. he didnt have to fight on the inside because he was smart enough and capable enough to fight his fight without being touched.

Pernell was an excellent defensive fighter and technician but so was Benitez and he still lost to another boxer who was faster still. Same with leonard; he lost to the boxer with superior speed. Pernel's just not fast enough

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For you Duranimal

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[redrooster]

You see that Fleaman? You see Hector engaging Ramirez on the inside? Hector dont have to but still you think Hector's going to let Pernell hit him with body shots.

That's not even Pernell's style of fighting but even if it was it wouldnt do him any good.

Here in this fight you can see Hector's not even fighting at half speed, he's just cruising throughout the entire fight. Pernell was lucky not to be around during this time; he would be bewildered!

[Flea Man]

Pernell can't hurt Hector either. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that got hurt by Pernell.

i stopped reading here. you're clearly biased and/or delusional, and almost certainly 'special'.

[duranimal]

i stopped reading here. you're clearly biased and/or delusional, and almost certainly 'special'.

No, you just hate 2 be exposed as the huff puff & blustering fart that you are, your the clown here AGAIN picking up on someone else's post that Pernell would beat up Camacho (SO you think Pernall is a Chavez type foreward pressure fighter do you) know doubt you'll be swotting up on yer Camacho going through all yer old ring/KO's for quips & quote's & passing on this fistic wisdom as yer own again:yep

The 2 camacho's here are the Ramirez version or the Boza-Edwards version & both are hard 2 pin down, by the way who impressed most in fighting Ramirez, Camacho or Whitaker, if Whitaker tries 2 go after Camacho he'll fall right into Hectors lap/trap, the only way 2 beat hector is that you've got 2 winkle the cunt out ov his shell & NO FUCKIN WAY HE GET'S BEAT UP, THATS A SPECIAL DICK STATEMENT:smoke But HEY! keep-em coming as i know you've plenty more:bbb

[JohnThomas1]

:lol:

Good contest.

Peak Camacho isn't to be scoffed at, and Pernell lacks the one thing that can intimidate him.

So we have a boxing clinic between these two. I think Whitaker, for all Camacho's pretenses has a bit more street and mongrel than Hector. I also think he is more multi faceted. His speed and sheer class will nullify a lot of Camacho's speed and elusiveness and i see Whitaker dictating the pace of the fight. His willingness to dig deep when needed and make the pace see's him take a competitive decision.

Whitaker UD

[duranimal]

For you Duranimal

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Thankee guv'ner:good

I remember when camacho 1st appeared on the scene & we all thought "who the fuck is that":lol: but i've gotten 2 appreiciate him over the years, smart/slick/frustrating pain in the arse who yer just loved 2 hate:lol: but yer just had 2 give him his prop's, he was a thief & a burglar in that ring. Thank fuck 4 u tube as a lot of the younger kids on here will hopefully appreciate him for the smart slickster that he was & not just judge him on his older $$$$ fights against Chavez/DLH & co.

He was certainly a character thats 4 sure, loved playing the pantomime villian & an expert at baiting mexican fans, i saw him at the Chavez/Taylor 1 fight at the Hilton in 1990, thats when he was dressing in matching "PIMP" tiger striped pants/Shirt with that great fuck off gold MACHO medalion, how he got in the ring & out alive i'll never know, he just stalked around the ring giving all the mex fan's the finger:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[sweet_scientist]

Pernell can't hurt Hector either. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that got hurt by Pernell. Hector COULD hurt a man but often held back his full attack. I'm sure that with Pernell, he would make an exception.

When Hector hit a man, the strike would go clean through and put his man down-one punch. I've seen Hector put many a sturdy fighter down with one shot-Loy, Coverson, Limon, Boza Edwards, Ramierez. Whitaker can't do that which means he's not as sharp.

Pernell hitting a man at normal speed would have club a man over and over.


Greg Haugen, Rafael Pineda, Roger Mayweather, Juan Nazario and Louie Lomeli would disagree with you.

All went down or got stopped by single shots by Whitaker.

[sweet_scientist]

by the way who impressed most in fighting Ramirez, Camacho or Whitaker

For me, Whitaker's performance in the second fight was better than Camacho's by a country mile. Camacho did well early and stung Ramirez with some good, clean shots, but he basically ran and threw 3 or 4 flurries per round from about the 5th round on.

Whitaker owned Ramirez for every second of their 2nd fight, and put on what is arguably the most clinical schooling of all time.

Camacho's fight with Ramirez there looks good in highlight form (I should know, I put it up) but watch both fights in total and Whitaker's is easily more masterful.

[jaffay]

Whitaker wide UD I suppose

[redrooster]

Whitaker wide UD I suppose

Remebmer, you need a reason or your vote doesnt get counted. So far I see no valid reasons as to why Pernell doesnt get outpointed.

[DRmullen2]

Sweetpea wins it. Whitaker vs mosley @135 winner fights Duran.

[Sweet Pea]

Remebmer, you need a reason or your vote doesnt get counted. So far I see no valid reasons as to why Pernell doesnt get outpointed.
Inside. He'd be able to at least cope on the outside (this is being very respectful to yourself and the Macho Man), and would eventually realize the way to win is by pressing the fight and getting in Camacho's face. There he'd hold a very distinct advantage on the inside and would control the fight. I'm not saying he couldn't outbox Hector from the outside, but Pea would often do things like this, particularly against fighters that weren't considered power punchers (and even some that were). I don't see really any way he loses this fight, regardless of your mind-numbingly simplistic argument about speed.

[ricardoparker93]

When whitaker presses the action he'll take over. His jab and body attack slow down Camacho and break his rhythm, allowing him to dictate the pace of the fight. Camacho's flurries would win a few rounds but i've got whitaker MD.

[sweet_scientist]

There's also the whole issue about Whitaker being a way better defensive fighter. Even if he conducted the fight WHOLLY on the outside and at mid range, his defense would see him get the better of it imo.

[redrooster]

When whitaker presses the action he'll take over. His jab and body attack slow down Camacho and break his rhythm, allowing him to dictate the pace of the fight. Camacho's flurries would win a few rounds but i've got whitaker MD.

What body attack? You must be confusing Pernell with Rocky Marciano.

There wont be a body attack because hector doesnt have to fight on the inside. Hector is multidimensional and one of the sport's most versatile fighters of the decade. He will just tie him up and then what'll he do?

When did you see louie Loy fight Hector on the inside? When did you see Howard Davis fight him on the inside? bazooka Limon? Boza Edwards? You see how futile that strategy would be? This isnt 1992 where Hector couldnt get out of the way

Hector's style has never been to fight on the inside. He's too smart for that. I know because I've been watching him since his first Television debut.

Whitaker doesnt even have a punch. That is, he's not a big enough puncher like Rosario and he isnt a sharp puncher either. I told you this comes down to two boxers with the same skills, same style except one is faster than the other. And hector didnt tire in the late rounds either. He had no weaknesses.

Advantage: Camacho

[redrooster]

There's also the whole issue about Whitaker being a way better defensive fighter. Even if he conducted the fight WHOLLY on the outside and at mid range, his defense would see him get the better of it imo.

How can he be better if Hector rarely got hit in his prime and won almost every round he'd fought? I'd say Pernell is more awkward and unorthodox style but that's about it.

[Flea Man]

god, these two are shocking. since when have i stole from boxing news and passed it off as my own?????can anyone produce an example?? anyway, camacho is out, rightfully so he has been outvoted.

[sweet_scientist]

How can he be better if Hector rarely got hit in his prime and won almost every round he'd fought? I'd say Pernell is more awkward and unorthodox style but that's about it.

Well that begs the question; who was he beating in his prime when he was winning almost every round? Anyone that could carry Whitaker's coke satchels?

Whitaker proved his defense against great fighters, even past his prime DLH could hardly land a clean shot on him. Hector of course, in his prime, when facing a used up Limon, Davis or a made to order Ramirez looked great. Not so when he faced Rosario or Haugen. Even against a faded Mancini and Boza Edwards he looked average. No need to mention Chavez, DLH and Tito at all, Camacho didn't win a round against those guys.