Hopkins vs Tylor I, question

[Doomas]

Personaly I had it 115-113 for Tylor, but final score cards were 116-112 for hopkins and 2 x 115-113 for Tylor, doesnt that mean it was a draw ? 342-342 ?

[BewareofDawg]

Thats not how it works. It can be 119 - 109 on one judges card and 115 - 113 on the other two cards and the guy who got the two cards with 115-113 wins by Split Decision.

[vonBanditos]

Scores aren't typically combined across judges. A draw would only happen if all three called it a draw or if one called it a draw and the other two were split.

[Doomas]

Ahh thats makes sense, thanks for clearing this up for me.

[vonBanditos]

Man you must be new to the sport. :-(

Majority rules when scoring a fight so the two 115-113 cards cancel out the 116-112 card for Hopkins so Taylor wins it by split decisions in this case.

I'm sure it was an honest question. You get weird scoring rules sometimes for non-title fights throughout the world.

[BewareofDawg]

Its not the total # of points you get in aggregate. It is who ever wins over the majority of judges. The reason for this is:

Different judges see the fight differently and score based off of different things. One judge might favor aggression while another might look for accuracy and defensive strategy. Obviously if the one judge scoring a fight on aggression will score most of the rounds for the aggressive fighter, and his scorecard might be a wide victory for that guy. While the other two might see a closer fight with the opponent winning by a small margin based off of their criteria.

[KayEpps]

Judging isn't about the score - but about how many Judges see the fight one way or another. 2 of the 3 Judges had Taylor winning - so it's 2 to 1 in favor of Taylor - therefore Taylor wins.

[WhataRock]

It was a robbery anyway, thats all you need to know.

[Illmatic]

It was a robbery anyway, thats all you need to know.

dont listen to this guy....despite you being new to the sport, you scored that fight correctly...good job

[pipe wrenched]

It was a robbery anyway, thats all you need to know.

Man, I just watched it again the other day and I don't think so. B-Hop surely won the last few rounds, but didn't do hardly shit before the 8th. I can see why people question it though because Taylor didn't do much more in the first half of the fight other than be much more active. Yes, B-Hop was kickin his ass at the end, but it was too little too late.:good

[Illmatic]

Man, I just watched it again the other day and I don't think so. B-Hop surely won the last few rounds, but didn't do hardly shit before the 8th. I can see why people question it though because Taylor didn't do much more in the first half of the fight other than be much more active. Yes, B-Hop was kickin his ass at the end, but it was too little too late.:good

apparently hopkins gets all 10-8 rounds and doesnt need to fight the first half of fights to win

[pipe wrenched]

apparently hopkins gets all 10-8 rounds and doesnt need to fight the first half of fights to win

:lol: I hear ya Ill.
I just wanted to re-watch it because it seems lately EVERYONE is saying Hops was robbed. RJJ was saying he thought Hops was waiting for Taylor to gas and KO him late.:huh Never good stategy and Hops def. needed a KO to win by the championship rounds.

[Daruf]

Well a big issue is the fact that 1 judge scored the 12th for Taylor.... and you have to admit that is HIGHLY dodgy.

[Illmatic]

Well a big issue is the fact that 1 judge scored the 12th for Taylor.... and you have to admit that is HIGHLY dodgy.

and he gave hopkins an early round which is also dodgy

[Illmatic]

Learn how to score fights Ill. Swinging at nothing but air is not called fighting, it's called shadowboxing.

learn how to score fights Rey. You score points by swinging, not by standing, not fighting and relying on your reputation

[Illmatic]

No one gives points for swinging fool! You must land to get awarded points. Hops landed despite throwing a lot less than Taylor.

those four landed punches each round from 1-6 sure mustve impressed you. or maybe it was the 15 thrown punches each round.

[KO Boxing]

I gave Hopkins 2 of the first 8 rounds, and the last four (from memory). Definately had the first fight a draw.

Also, I scored the 2nd fight a clear 115-113 for Taylor. The question in this fight was: Would Hops start faster, or Taylor end better? Well Hops did much of the same, and Taylor did better in the later rounds than in the first fight.

I must say, these fights weren't exactly "exciting". But because of the controversy, perhaps I should go back over them. Only rewatched both once, and both times came back with the same result.

For me, that's 1-0-1 for Taylor... Although I have no problem with people shouting robbery for Hopkins. They were close, and its arguable Hopkins did the most damage. However, i agree with Emmanuel Steward. While Hops proved he was clearly the best fighter (and would maul taylor prime for prime), he started his runs too late, and Taylor built up too big of a points lead...

Although, if it's a draw in the first fight, and Hops loses the 2nd, then there woulda been a third (cause of a rematch clause)... I think we ALL won on that one.

[Fab2333]

apparently hopkins gets all 10-8 rounds and doesnt need to fight the first half of fights to win:rofl:rofl:thumbsup

[KO Boxing]

So your obviously one of those guys that thinks a 7-5 fight that could be argued a draw is a robbery?

Not saying that's wrong, just making an obvservation. There was a thread on here a little while ago asking the exact same question: Can a 7-5 type fight be a robbery, if fighter A clearly wins 7 rounds...

On another side note, what 7 rounds did Hopkins win in that fight, let alone clearly?

[Superheavyweight]

First match I scored it 115-113 for Hopkins.

Rematch I scored it 115-113 for Taylor.

Bring on the rubber match!

[BobDigi5060]

I gave Hopkins 2 of the first 8 rounds, and the last four (from memory). Definately had the first fight a draw.

Also, I scored the 2nd fight a clear 115-113 for Taylor. The question in this fight was: Would Hops start faster, or Taylor end better? Well Hops did much of the same, and Taylor did better in the later rounds than in the first fight.

I had the exact same cards. I'll admit the first was a lot closer but Hopkins just didn't do enough to win. Like Hagler, these men either started too late or remained too passive throughout the fight.

Hopkins felt the speed and power Taylor brought with his youth. He didn't engage as much because he knew better. Too many risk in exchanges would have led to Hopkins getting hurt or caught off balance.