MMA fighter Miguel Torres

[MAYLO]

This guy is one of the elite MMA fighters out there and he was calling out PBF because Floyd sh*tted MMA. It looks like he should have worried about this weekends opponent rather than PBF cause some dude named Bowles knocked him out brutally. I dont know how many of you watch MMA but i caught the fight and find it funny that Torres got knocked out, in an all stand up fight, by a "wild hooking" fighter with ten fights under his belt. Imagine if he went hand to hand with floyd!

[PolishPummler]

Wins and losses in MMA are still way too random.

[KCD]

I read his calling out of Mayweather.

I was posting on a MMA website the other day, as i do actually like MMA, and people on there were actually saying Torres would be able to last the course with Mayweather as his boxing is on Floyds level:lol:

Shocking:-(

[Combinaçion]

This guy is one of the elite MMA fighters out there and he was calling out PBF because Floyd sh*tted MMA. It looks like he should have worried about this weekends opponent rather than PBF cause some dude named Bowles knocked him out brutally. I dont know how many of you watch MMA but i caught the fight and find it funny that Torres got knocked out, in an all stand up fight, by a "wild hooking" fighter with ten fights under his belt. Imagine if he went hand to hand with floyd!

Firstly, it wasn't all all stand-up fight.. he got taken down twice.
& the knockout punch was one while he was grounded... a good punch from inside Miguel's guard.


Secondly, Miguel didn't want to go against Floyd for 12 rounds of boxing.
In a real fight (which is what MMA is.. the art & sport of real fighting), Torres beats Floyd... even though Torres IS overrated as a fighter (135lb is still very dry... it doesn't even get on PPV!). He wanted to do like a few rounds boxing with Floyd (to survive), another few kickboxing (to show in 'stand-up' he can damage Floyd -- which he could to a certain extent) & then a few rounds of MMA (in which it would only take 1 for him to take Floyd down and submit him -- and yes, in a REAL fight, there would be no ref or stoppage after a tap... a limb would get broken or he would get choked unconscious & if held long enough dead).

Truth hurts... but that's what it is.
MMA is the sport of fighting.
The sport of boxing is the sweet science of fisticuffs where we don't have to deal with anything else.

Now if you wanna continue to be upset because you still have this complex about boxers automatically being the hardest men or 'best fighters' in the world, then you can be so... just don't say stupid things or twist the truth.


MMA is MMA

boxing is boxing


this is a boxing forum, let's talk boxing.. especially since most of you know fUCKALL! about MMA.

besides, on MMA forums they barely talk about boxing APART FROM IN THE BOXING SECTION


if, this knowledge and realization that the heavyweight champion is no longer the hardest man in the world upsets you... then maybe you don't actually love the SPORT OF BOXING & the sweet SCIENCE as much as you think you do. But rather, you just love a fist fight & nothing more.

[UliUli]

I like Miguel Torres but he would get KO in one round vs Mayweather. His boxingskills are NO WHERE as good as even Zab Judahs.

[Little Pea]

I like Miguel Torres but he would get KO in one round vs Mayweather. His boxingskills are NO WHERE as good as even Zab Judahs.

This is a bad example as Judah is almost on par with pbf skills.

[MAYLO]

Ha Ha. The truth is Torres got KTFO. You can talk about who knows what about MMA but i know this. A brute brawler like Rampage doesnt get submitted often so for you to just ASSUME that Torres would submit PBF is speculation. And yes, this is a boxing forum so if Miguel Angel Torres doesnt want to be in a thread like this then stop calling out boxers! Worry about the dude that you have to fight. I know quite a bit about MMA by the way so im not just talking about an article i read.

[BlueApollo]

He lost? Lmfao, that Bowles dude looked like ass in the promos.

[UliUli]

This is a bad example as Judah is almost on par with pbf skills.

No he is not almost in par with PBF's boxing skills. Judah is a flashy fighter, but is a B level fighter in terms of skill.

His speed is A level, about it.

[MAYLO]

If you saw the Torres fight you would know that there is NO WAY you can put his hands in the same category as Judah. Not even half way to Zabs natural ability.

[p.falk]

The fact that many of you even humor Torres by discussing a boxing match between him and Floyd is depressing.

[MAYLO]

I feel your pain p. falk but after hearing that this Torres character is such a bad ass and then to top it off he even had an article in the main page directed at PBF! I dont think he has a chance in hell in a boxing match but im going to rub it in because ha actually opened his mouth to insult Floyd and got ko'd in his very next outing.

[BlueApollo]

I feel your pain p. falk but after hearing that this Torres character is such a bad ass and then to top it off he even had an article in the main page directed at PBF! I dont think he has a chance in hell in a boxing match but im going to rub it in because ha actually opened his mouth to insult Floyd and got ko'd in his very next outing.

Pride cometh before a fall.

And it's funny that people are always accusing US of being fixated on MMA. If their guys would just admit that they can't throw hands with elite boxers, we might stop bringing up the "rivalry".

[MAYLO]

^^^^Thats what im saying! He brought it on himself challeging PBF. Hopefully the big mouth Floyd doesnt suffer the same consequence against JMM because tho some think its a tune up, i think this is going to be a tough fight.

[SouthpawSlayer]

what a retard, i know torres has serious talent but instead of getting so caught up with the pbf situation he should of been concentrating on bowles, floyd is probabaly pissing his pants at this guy now

[Atritionist]

Torres is one hell of a MMA fighter. he is a well rounded fighter, but if he is limited to only boxing, there is no way he could hang with Floyd. Just like I don't think Floyd would be able to hang in an MMA fight against Torres.

[UliUli]

Torres is one hell of a MMA fighter. he is a well rounded fighter, but if he is limited to only boxing, there is no way he could hang with Floyd. Just like I don't think Floyd would be able to hang in an MMA fight against Torres.


The difference is Floyd COULD possibly beat Torres in an MMA fight, where as Torres would probably NEVER beat PBF in a boxing match.

[Sweet Pea]

Torres was always overrated as hell. How he became a consensus top 5 P4P fighter in that weak ass division is beyond me.

[Cage]

The difference is Floyd COULD possibly beat Torres in an MMA fight, where as Torres would probably NEVER beat PBF in a boxing match.

this is a true assessment. . . A boxer has more of a chance in an MMA ring then a MMA fighter has in a boxing ring

but in the end. . . whats the point?

The boxer has a chance because he can still strike. . the MMA guy dont because 85% of the tools at his disposal will be removed. It really dont prove ANYTHING AT ALL. and to even argue MMA vs Boxing is like a dog chasing its tail in circles. .

people just need to cut it out

[luciuslim]

Firstly, it wasn't all all stand-up fight.. he got taken down twice.
& the knockout punch was one while he was grounded... a good punch from inside Miguel's guard.


Secondly, Miguel didn't want to go against Floyd for 12 rounds of boxing.
In a real fight (which is what MMA is.. the art & sport of real fighting), Torres beats Floyd... even though Torres IS overrated as a fighter (135lb is still very dry... it doesn't even get on PPV!). He wanted to do like a few rounds boxing with Floyd (to survive), another few kickboxing (to show in 'stand-up' he can damage Floyd -- which he could to a certain extent) & then a few rounds of MMA (in which it would only take 1 for him to take Floyd down and submit him -- and yes, in a REAL fight, there would be no ref or stoppage after a tap... a limb would get broken or he would get choked unconscious & if held long enough dead).

Truth hurts... but that's what it is.
MMA is the sport of fighting.
The sport of boxing is the sweet science of fisticuffs where we don't have to deal with anything else.

Now if you wanna continue to be upset because you still have this complex about boxers automatically being the hardest men or 'best fighters' in the world, then you can be so... just don't say stupid things or twist the truth.


MMA is MMA

boxing is boxing


this is a boxing forum, let's talk boxing.. especially since most of you know fUCKALL! about MMA.

besides, on MMA forums they barely talk about boxing APART FROM IN THE BOXING SECTION


if, this knowledge and realization that the heavyweight champion is no longer the hardest man in the world upsets you... then maybe you don't actually love the SPORT OF BOXING & the sweet SCIENCE as much as you think you do. But rather, you just love a fist fight & nothing more.
im sick of people saying mma is more of a fight then boxing im an amature boxer and have been boxing for 6 years and at my gym there are people who train in mma and i have fought with them in both boxing and mma. from the fights i have had with them i can tell you that mma is fought at a much slower pace then boxing, both standing up and especially on the ground. in a boxing match you have no time to think every thing has to be instant, if you make a mistake in boxing against a good boxer your done. now look at mma in which mistakes are part of what makes mma so "fun" to watch. honestly if you want to see two master class mma fighters go at it you would probobly be watching two brazilian jujitsu guys wrestling all night and i think that classifys way less as a "fight" then two boxers boxing all night.:bbb

[luciuslim]

this is a true assessment. . . A boxer has more of a chance in an MMA ring then a MMA fighter has in a boxing ring

but in the end. . . whats the point?

The boxer has a chance because he can still strike. . the MMA guy dont because 85% of the tools at his disposal will be removed. It really dont prove ANYTHING AT ALL. and to even argue MMA vs Boxing is like a dog chasing its tail in circles. .

people just need to cut it out
tru that

[Pimp C]

Fuck that MMa bum. He got KTFO probably by a arm punch.:lol:

[Smith]

Firstly, it wasn't all all stand-up fight.. he got taken down twice.
& the knockout punch was one while he was grounded... a good punch from inside Miguel's guard.


Secondly, Miguel didn't want to go against Floyd for 12 rounds of boxing.
In a real fight (which is what MMA is.. the art & sport of real fighting), Torres beats Floyd... even though Torres IS overrated as a fighter (135lb is still very dry... it doesn't even get on PPV!). He wanted to do like a few rounds boxing with Floyd (to survive), another few kickboxing (to show in 'stand-up' he can damage Floyd -- which he could to a certain extent) & then a few rounds of MMA (in which it would only take 1 for him to take Floyd down and submit him -- and yes, in a REAL fight, there would be no ref or stoppage after a tap... a limb would get broken or he would get choked unconscious & if held long enough dead).

Truth hurts... but that's what it is.
MMA is the sport of fighting.
The sport of boxing is the sweet science of fisticuffs where we don't have to deal with anything else.

Now if you wanna continue to be upset because you still have this complex about boxers automatically being the hardest men or 'best fighters' in the world, then you can be so... just don't say stupid things or twist the truth.


MMA is MMA

boxing is boxing


this is a boxing forum, let's talk boxing.. especially since most of you know fUCKALL! about MMA.

besides, on MMA forums they barely talk about boxing APART FROM IN THE BOXING SECTION


if, this knowledge and realization that the heavyweight champion is no longer the hardest man in the world upsets you... then maybe you don't actually love the SPORT OF BOXING & the sweet SCIENCE as much as you think you do. But rather, you just love a fist fight & nothing more.Does someone want to get this little girl a drink? :lol: My god he doesn't half try and defend MMA here, you sir, are a very sad little boy.

[Atritionist]

The difference is Floyd COULD possibly beat Torres in an MMA fight, where as Torres would probably NEVER beat PBF in a boxing match.

:goodGood point. Boxing being the foundation of all combat sports.

[BoxingFanBG]

Secondly, Miguel didn't want to go against Floyd for 12 rounds of boxing.
In a real fight (which is what MMA is.. the art & sport of real fighting), Torres beats Floyd

:rofl:rofl
In a real fight Floyd Money Mayweather will pull his gold plated 9mm baby and gun down the bitch, then throw dolla bills on the dead body.

[MattMattMatt]

MMA v Boxing = broken record

* Floyd beats Torres at boxing easily
* Torres beats Floyd at MMA the vast majority of the time

Is that relevant? Not at all. Two different sports, one is skill specific one is more balanced, clearly the skill specific one will always have a shot but there is a reason that MMA fighters dont just train to box.

The difference between having good striking skills and being a boxer in MMA is that someone facing a boxer knows that they have pretty much zero chance against you once they hit the floor. MMA fighters with relatively decent stand-up games also train to escape and avoid the ground-game, Floyd has never done that and it would show. There are more things to train, and more ways to lose in MMA so there are bound to be more mistakes and therefore more upsets. Boxers are the pinacle of one very specific part of fighting.

Anyway, this is a pointless discussion. The fanboys on either side will never shift an inch in their opinion.

[luciuslim]

MMA v Boxing = broken record

* Floyd beats Torres at boxing easily
* Torres beats Floyd at MMA the vast majority of the time

Is that relevant? Not at all. Two different sports, one is skill specific one is more balanced, clearly the skill specific one will always have a shot but there is a reason that MMA fighters dont just train to box.

The difference between having good striking skills and being a boxer in MMA is that someone facing a boxer knows that they have pretty much zero chance against you once they hit the floor. MMA fighters with relatively decent stand-up games also train to escape and avoid the ground-game, Floyd has never done that and it would show. There are more things to train, and more ways to lose in MMA so there are bound to be more mistakes and therefore more upsets. Boxers are the pinacle of one very specific part of fighting.

Anyway, this is a pointless discussion. The fanboys on either side will never shift an inch in their opinion.
if brock lessner could become a champ in mma then it would seem that a top level boxer could have a good shot. i belive if you give an elite boxer 3 to 5 months to train on ground fighting then they will have a big shot at beating anyone in mma.

[Cage]

if brock lessner could become a champ in mma then it would seem that a top level boxer could have a good shot. i belive if you give an elite boxer 3 to 5 months to train on ground fighting then they will have a big shot at beating anyone in mma.

its still going in circles. . If you gave Brock 3 - 5 months of hardcore boxing he could probably fair pretty well in todays heavyweight boxing scene. If they could find gloves big enough to fit him :rofl

[MattMattMatt]

if brock lessner could become a champ in mma then it would seem that a top level boxer could have a good shot. i belive if you give an elite boxer 3 to 5 months to train on ground fighting then they will have a big shot at beating anyone in mma.

I don't doubt that. MMA is just fighting, and boxing is just one of the many ways of going about it. Brock Lesnar had very solid grappling experience from his amatuer wrestling days and only rudimentary striking skills are usually required so that you can still make the most of your grappling. However, poor ground and grappling skills will almost always render an MMA fighter as inconsistent. Only when they have distinct physical advantages might this be somewhat negated.

I do believe that actual top level boxer (not the old Mercer, Matt Skelton etc..) who trained properly for MMA would have a reasonable shot at beating anyone, but I feel that the level of takedown defence and grappling skills they could aquire in that length of time is going to hinder them more-so than someone like Brock who already had an extensive wrestling experience but no real striking training.

Anyway, as I said, broken record. We have heard all this before and no one really seems to want to hear anyone elses opinion so I'm gonna leave it at that.

[NSX-R]

MMA fans like to trash boxing but it was boxing that made Anderson Silva and BJ Penn victorious this past weekend. These two fighters are P4P the best in the sport, and they're also the best boxers in MMA.

[luciuslim]

its still going in circles. . If you gave Brock 3 - 5 months of hardcore boxing he could probably fair pretty well in todays heavyweight boxing scene. If they could find gloves big enough to fit him :rofl
maybe against some of the journeymen, the heavyweight devision is a real joke these days. but if brock would go against an eddie chambers or one of the klitchko brothers his chances go from pretty fair to slim and none. note in my last post the word "anyone".

[NSX-R]

its still going in circles. . If you gave Brock 3 - 5 months of hardcore boxing he could probably fair pretty well in todays heavyweight boxing scene. If they could find gloves big enough to fit him :rofl

MMA idiocy at the highest level. Brock could train purely in boxing for the rest of his life and he would never make a dent in the heavyweight scene. Professional boxing is such a refined sport that it takes decades to be competitive in. A boxer would never become champion in his fifth fight.

[luciuslim]

I don't doubt that. MMA is just fighting, and boxing is just one of the many ways of going about it. Brock Lesnar had very solid grappling experience from his amatuer wrestling days and only rudimentary striking skills are usually required so that you can still make the most of your grappling. However, poor ground and grappling skills will almost always render an MMA fighter as inconsistent. Only when they have distinct physical advantages might this be somewhat negated.

I do believe that actual top level boxer (not the old Mercer, Matt Skelton etc..) who trained properly for MMA would have a reasonable shot at beating anyone, but I feel that the level of takedown defence and grappling skills they could aquire in that length of time is going to hinder them more-so than someone like Brock who already had an extensive wrestling experience but no real striking training.

Anyway, as I said, broken record. We have heard all this before and no one really seems to want to hear anyone elses opinion so I'm gonna leave it at that.
i agree with you in mma takedowns and ground fighting are probobly the most important stuff to learn and years of experience are better then months, this is so important that i belive that eventually mma fights will evolve into nothing but jujitsu matches. but i agree this argument of mma vs boxing simply goes in circles
lets just agree that both sports have streangths and weaknesses but personaly i was born a boxing fan and will die a boxing fan.

[MAYLO]

^^^^thats the truth. You will never be the champion of shit with a 3-1 record like the one brock lesnar has in a sport like boxing. Arreola would eat his ass up in 2 rounds or less even if lesnar had 5 years to prepare himself

[luciuslim]

MMA idiocy at the highest level. Brock could train purely in boxing for the rest of his life and he would never make a dent in the heavyweight scene. Professional boxing is such a refined sport that it takes decades to be competitive in. A boxer would never become champion in his fifth fight.
well said

[MattMattMatt]

MMA idiocy at the highest level. Brock could train purely in boxing for the rest of his life and he would never make a dent in the heavyweight scene. Professional boxing is such a refined sport that it takes decades to be competitive in. A boxer would never become champion in his fifth fight.

Leon Spinks beat Ali in his 8th pro fight. I don't know how many amateur fights he had, but Lesnar was 106 - 5 in wrestling and that is the equivalent of an amateur boxing career.

Anyway, I actually prefer boxing, I just think MMA gets a lot of hate on here.

[Cage]

MMA idiocy at the highest level. Brock could train purely in boxing for the rest of his life and he would never make a dent in the heavyweight scene. Professional boxing is such a refined sport that it takes decades to be competitive in. A boxer would never become champion in his fifth fight.

lol

I didnt say he would come into boxing and clean house there fella. .

Im just saying that if he trained for lets say 5 months, then turned pro boxer, he would probably fair pretty well moving up when you consider the lack of talent boxing has to offer in that division

understand. . im a boxing fan first. In no way am i delusional about the limits fighters will have from either sport.

the fact that Lesnar has tons of power, hes fast, can apparently take a punch, and showed signs that he can cut fighters off are all tremendous traits that alot of heavy weight boxers these days dont even have.

[luciuslim]

Leon Spinks beat Ali in his 8th pro fight. I don't know how many amateur fights he had, but Lesnar was 106 - 5 in wrestling and that is the equivalent of an amateur boxing career.

Anyway, I actually prefer boxing, I just think MMA gets a lot of hate on here.
:huh:patsch

[Dustaine]

but Lesnar was 106 - 5 in wrestling and that is the equivalent of an amateur boxing career.



I can't believe someone has uttered such profane and ignorant words. :patsch

[BlueApollo]

I can't believe someone has uttered such profane and ignorant words. :patsch

What's so profane? Going off of what the US Olympic boxing team has looked like in recent years, I see no reason to gratuitously sh*t all over college wrestling.

[PIPO23]

MMA fighters aren't on the same level as the elites boxers when it comes to stand ups. Just look at Friffin a wrestler trying to BOX. Silva made him look like a clown. A jab KO'ed him bwahahahah :rofl

[DemolitionDan]

I don't know who the fuck this Torres guy is, but Mayweather destorys him in 30 seconds. Easy. Boxer>>>>UFC/MMA fighter all day everyday and twice on sunday.

[Cage]

I don't know who the fuck this Torres guy is, but Mayweather destorys him in 30 seconds. Easy. Boxer>>>>UFC/MMA fighter all day everyday and twice on sunday.
:patsch

again, that depends on what rules they are fighting by

[DemolitionDan]

:patsch

again, that depends on what rules they are fighting by

That doesn't matter. A fat old Ray Mercer knocked out that UFC champion dude in 10 seconds...with UFC/MMA rules.

[Cage]

That doesn't matter. A fat old Ray Mercer knocked out that UFC champion dude in 10 seconds...with UFC/MMA rules.

so what happened the day he got choked out by Kimbo Slice???? :deal

[UliUli]

:patsch

again, that depends on what rules they are fighting by

MMA rules PBF (Boxer) has a chance, a good chance to win.
Boxing rules Torres (MMA) has HARDLY any chance to win.

[Pimp C]

MMA idiocy at the highest level. Brock could train purely in boxing for the rest of his life and he would never make a dent in the heavyweight scene. Professional boxing is such a refined sport that it takes decades to be competitive in. A boxer would never become champion in his fifth fight.
I couldn't agree more and that's what separates MMA from a great sport like boxing.

[Pimp C]

so what happened the day he got choked out by Kimbo Slice???? :deal
That wasn't a sanctioned match:deal

[Cage]

That wasn't a sanctioned match:deal

oh that makes all the difference in the world then lol

[DemolitionDan]

so what happened the day he got choked out by Kimbo Slice???? :deal
He probably took a dive for more money. At the time wasn't that Slice dude the savor of UFC or whatever they call/called it?

[Sweet Pea]

He probably took a dive for more money. At the time wasn't that Slice dude the savor of UFC or whatever they call/called it?:lol:

[Sweet Pea]

For those who claim you can't possibly become champion in boxing after just a few fights:

Thai Bantamweight Veeraphol Sahaprom was WBC champion after his first fight, and world champion after his 4th. After losing to African Nana Konadu in his next fight, he continued on to become one of the most consistent champions in the sport for the next decade.

Another Thai fighter in Saensek Muangsurin also became the WBC champ after his 3rd fight, lost once and defended it 8 times. He's mostly known for his debilitating loss to Hearns, though he'd already lost his strap and was coming off a two fight losing streak by then.

Muangchai Kittikasem won the strap in just his 6th fight before becoming one of the top Flyweights in the world in the mid 90's.

Wilfred Benitez was world ranked by age 15 and world champion by age 17.

Hell, Leon Spinks beat Muhammad Ali in his 8th bout.

[UliUli]

For those who claim you can't possibly become champion in boxing after just a few fights:

Thai Bantamweight Veeraphol Sahaprom was WBC champion after his first fight, and world champion after his 4th. After losing to African Nana Konadu in his next fight, he continued on to become one of the most consistent champions in the sport for the next decade.

Another Thai fighter in Saensek Muangsurin also became the WBC champ after his 3rd fight, lost once and defended it 8 times. He's mostly known for his debilitating loss to Hearns, though he'd already lost his strap and was coming off a two fight losing streak by then.

Muangchai Kittikasem won the strap in just his 6th fight before becoming one of the top Flyweights in the world in the mid 90's.

Wilfred Benitez was world ranked by age 15 and world champion by age 17.

Hell, Leon Spinks beat Muhammad Ali in his 8th bout.

Does not, and will never compare to MMA.

[DemolitionDan]

:lol:

Why not? The dude is still fighting because he needs money.

[PIPO23]

For those who claim you can't possibly become champion in boxing after just a few fights:

Thai Bantamweight Veeraphol Sahaprom was WBC champion after his first fight, and world champion after his 4th. After losing to African Nana Konadu in his next fight, he continued on to become one of the most consistent champions in the sport for the next decade.

Another Thai fighter in Saensek Muangsurin also became the WBC champ after his 3rd fight, lost once and defended it 8 times. He's mostly known for his debilitating loss to Hearns, though he'd already lost his strap and was coming off a two fight losing streak by then.

Muangchai Kittikasem won the strap in just his 6th fight before becoming one of the top Flyweights in the world in the mid 90's.

Wilfred Benitez was world ranked by age 15 and world champion by age 17.

Hell, Leon Spinks beat Muhammad Ali in his 8th bout.


Thai's have a lot of kick boxing fights and then switch to boxing. They're already masters of the strikes in both legs and fist. I would emagine they can make the switch easily to just using the fist :bbb

[MAYLO]

All that proof of fighters winning belts early in their careers means nada outside of the spinks/ali fight. There are so many belts in boxing that sure, a fighter can probably win a title early but the difference is these "minor" titles are being taken from nobodies. you see guys in mma taking the title from the MAIN fighters in the sport where you would never see Pac, Mosely, or PBF lose to someone with 7 fights.

[Sweet Pea]

Thai's have a lot of kick boxing fights and then switch to boxing. They're already masters of the strikes in both legs and fist. I would emagine they can make the switch easily to just using the fist :bbb

Muay Thai and boxing are completely different. Punches are arguably used less efficiently in Muay Thai than any of the 8 appendages.

[Sweet Pea]

Does not, and will never compare to MMA.Well, when ya put it that way....

[chimba]

Wins and losses in MMA are still way too random.

Not if your name is Lyoto, Anderson, BJ and to a certain extent GSP.

The rest I agree