Are American-based boxers always overrated?

[somerset]

Watching recent high-profile bouts from Britain between europeans and american-based fighters it seems to have been all one-way traffic recently:

Witter - Harris
Hatton in recent years
Maccarinelli - Braithwaite
Eastern European heavyweights dominating
Abraham vs everyone

and of course

Calzaghe - Lacy

having a good think about occasions when a top european was schooled, all I came up with

Luevano - Cook (but not really top class)
Jones Jr - Woods (5 years ago)
Barrera - Hamed (6 years ago)

And after a bit of boxrec research, also found

Dawson - Adamek
Spinks - Karmazin (an MD in Spinks' hometown)
Hopkins - Eastman (not really top class either)
and a few avenged defeats

but most US-based P4Ps fighters seemed to avoid anyone overseas, some, Jermain Taylor, Mosley haven't seemed to fight any!!!

Add to that the impact of other overseas fighters like Tsyzu, Pacquaio and Chris John and the plot thickens even more.

Seriously, if Hatton beats Mayweather - however likely that seems - then it questions of the legitimacy of the whole P4P rankings system imo.

[ThePlugInBabies]

i think some brits need to get rid of that chip on their shoulder.

[KO Boxing]

Always? No. Sometimes? Definately. As is the case with any country, really.

[KO Boxing]

i think some brits need to get rid of that chip on their shoulder.
:happy

Needed to be said. And I agree! :rofl

[Guru_Too_You]

Do you guys ever stop whining?

Shall I send a crate of tissues across the pond for you?

[ThePlugInBabies]

Or maybe the US posters need to quit with the anglophobia?

works both ways mate. i'm a brit but some of the anti american bitching and whining from some uk guys on here is a fucking joke.

joe c for instance is my fave current fighter, but he deserves stick for not grabbing ****** by the balls and demanding fights in the US. but some blinded uk fans will never accept this. some of us act like kids when one of our fighters is slagged off, but act like it's our god given right to bag the yanks anytime we feel for being overrated and hyped.

[KO Boxing]

Do you guys ever stop whining?

Shall I send a crate of tissues across the pond for you?
:happy

This is turning out to be the post of the year! For me, anyway. :D

Bout time they started gettin' it back. I ain't even American, or FROM America, and I find myself defending them... And in some instances, I agree a lot with where these "people" come from regarding America. But most of the shit these days is just Anti-American "Proganda"... Whatever

[KO Boxing]

Why would he want to fight in the US? 40,000 v Manfredo at home or 10,000 v anyone in the US!
That's all well and good... But how about ONE, only one, HISTORY fight... A legacy fight...

Or is Calzaghe ONLY about the money? That'd go with his resume, when I think about, so perhaps?

[ThePlugInBabies]

Why would he want to fight in the US? 40,000 v Manfredo at home or 10,000 v anyone in the US!

surely this is the wrong way round? :huh

[Snorkel]

But Manfredo does nothing for him legacy wise, nor does it enhance his credentials as far as enticing other top fighters to take him on. In fact, the only advantage offered by the crowd in that situation is larger gate receipts. Hatton's getting far more for fighting Mayweather in front of a small crowd so even then, it's not that significant.

A fighter's judged more on his fights than the crowds he fights in front of, and that's why America's still the place to fight.

[KO Boxing]

Want Lact that? Yes it was before, then after it became a nothing fight, I wish we still had the threads! How many times has M ayweather travelled outside the US for his ''Rumble in the jungle''? Oh no, thats fine, US boxers should always be allowed home advantage
If Lacy, even before the loss, is Calzaghe's "legacy" fight, you clearly don't rate him as highly as I thought you (and all Calzaghe fans) do...

Lacy, while clearly highly touted, wasn't even considered in the same breathe as pound for pound... This is what I mean.

A prime Jones, a prime Hops... One of the absolutely top guys in or around his weight division, at the top of the p4p lists... Not a young undefeated fighter who only a year before was consider a prospect.

But that's right... Jones and Hops BOTH ducked Joe? Because they wouldn't agree to come fight in England? Hence where I'm coming from about wanting a "legacy" fight...

[ThePlugInBabies]

Well why should his so called syuperfright be in the US? Why should Jones, Hopkins, ETC ETC have home advantage? Its like Mayweather, he refuses to fight in the UK, but expects Hatton to fight in his front room!

because if he fights hopkins at LHW in the future, he will be fighting the supposed man at that division, you've got to go and wrestle the title away from him. the champ shouldn't have to come looking for you.

the same can be said for jones back in the day, although now it would be a worthless fight with calzaghe brutally beating and very possibly ending a shot roys career.

[Guru_Too_You]

Jones avoided Collins, Eubank, Benn, Watson, Mclellan yet this is ok....because hes american?

How many times do you need to be proven wrong regarding this statment?

[ThePlugInBabies]

Jones avoided Collins, Eubank, Benn, Watson, Mclellan yet this is ok....because hes american?

g-man - big chance he would have faced him if he had got by benn.

benn - an interesting one, a lot of people say benn turned an offer down, benn himself at a recent after dinner speech said he never recieved an offer from jones and was suprised as he thinks jones would have thrashed him.

eubank - turned jones down

watson - jones was still feeling his way into the pro game when watson was tragically stopped by eubank.

collins - was never serious about his 'offer'.

[KO Boxing]

So you bash British fighters for not ravelling much yet these same american fighters dont travel at all! And thats ok?
Look, I'm not American, but this is gonna sound a bit like American bull shit, BUT: America, whether you like it or not, and despite the recent change (which makes the future look good for you, now doesn't it), is still the "mecca" of boxing. This means, MOST of the best fighters in the world, DESPITE nationality, either fight, or even, base themselves out of the US (or at least, close by)... This includes Mexicans, Peuto Ricans, Pinoys (who have a large number of fighters considered the best in the world) and many many more. And of course, Americans themselves, who lets admit, aren't too bad at sports themselves (considering they have hundreds of millions of people to choose from). As a result, the best fights, the best sparring, the best trainers... come to America.

It's just how it is.

SO, if British fighters want to stay in Britian there whole career and make more money than what they would in America, that's fine... However, they simply will not get the quality of opposition or resume if they were to come here. Because, as you pointed out, the trend is that a lot of fighters who live or base themselves out of America (which would include all the Mexicans, Peuto Ricans, Pinoys etc...) don't want to travel to Europe (although this trend is changing).

So, it then becomes a question about money or legacy? If you want to chase legacy, the best (and usually, fastest) way is through the US...

Think about this... If Calzaghe were to have lived in America and fought his career at 168, under a US promoter, on a US television network, would he have a better resume than he currently has?

I say yes, with a "perhaps not". He very much could of had this "legacy" fight we talk about, and if it was Jones, he wouldn't have an 0 in his record.

[ThePlugInBabies]

you forget to mention that jones also turend down eubank at a later stage.



Travelled 3000 miles to Jones' hometown but was never serious?

when?

[Max Molyneux]

I'm glad Calzaghe doesn't go to America after reading this shit.

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Corley was the same and most American boxers are when they lose elsewhere.

[marting]

Heck we trash our own fighters without equal. Pavlik sucks, Hopkins is old, Rahman was lucky, why is this guy even fighting Calzaghe, ..... I've heard it all and worse.

The Euros are bandwagoneers par excellence. Americans hate their own with applomb of a putdown comedian.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Heck we trash our own fighters without equal. Pavlik sucks, Hopkins is old, Rahman was lucky, why is this guy even fighting Calzaghe, ..... I've heard it all and worse.

The Euros are bandwagoneers par excellence. Americans hate their own with applomb of a putdown comedian.

this is also because you have a far bigger pool of top level boxers to follow. when we get a top tier guy we all tend to follow him. although i'm edging towards mayweather at the moment in his upcoming bout.

david haye is the future :deal

[Thread Stealer]

:lol: at Roy ducking Watson.

For crying out loud, Watson's career was over by late 1991.

[ThePlugInBabies]

exactly, Harris got beat like a bitch and is now crying like a bitch!

no worse than waldo when he got banged out by brewster.

[peter5]

That's all well and good... But how about ONE, only one, HISTORY fight... A legacy fight...

Or is Calzaghe ONLY about the money? That'd go with his resume, when I think about, so perhaps?

His biggest fight is another european anyway, so why does he need to go to the states to gain YOUR or the YANKS appreciation? People from the USA say all the Brit boxers need to travel to the USA to prove themseleves, well it can work both ways, I dont see the Yanks shipping themselves overhere by the bucketload, but like its been said before, it works both ways, and I dont think things will change, America has always been the Mecca of boxing, and if I was a pro fighter, Id want to fight at the garden or sin city, rather than Doncaster (Witter!!)

[Thread Stealer]

Why would he want to fight in the US? 40,000 v Manfredo at home or 10,000 v anyone in the US!

Why would anyone?

For money, that's why.

A larger attendance doesn't mean you get paid more.

[brick city]

Why would he want to fight in the US? 40,000 v Manfredo at home or 10,000 v anyone in the US!Joe C needs America to cement his legacy throughout boxing. Like it or not the Mecca of boxing is in the U.S.

[ThePlugInBabies]

:lol: at Roy ducking Watson.

For crying out loud, Watson's career was over by late 1991.


indeed, although i've always thought he would stand the best chance against roy out of the british middleweights had tragedy not struck. he was owning eubank that night. decent pop, good ring smarts, fantastic defence, what he done to benn was fucking stunning.

[marting]

this is also because you have a far bigger pool of top level boxers to follow. when we get a top tier guy we all tend to follow him. although i'm edging towards mayweather at the moment in his upcoming bout.

david haye is the future :deal

You better whisper that around your counterparts.

IMO Haye is too small for the heavyweight division and should focus on cleaning up in the cruiserweight division. No doubt he has talent but I don't think he'd fare too well against the behemoths coming from either side of the pond.

[marting]

Why would anyone?

For money, that's why.

A larger attendance doesn't mean you get paid more.

He conveniently ignores that point at every turn.

[Thread Stealer]

read my last post! Joe is already rich, so maybe so whats the next reason!

Then you get more money. Rich people are sometimes the greediest people on the planet.

Q: How much money is enough?

A: A little more.

How many people DON'T try to make as much money as possible at their job, no matter how much they make?

[ThePlugInBabies]

You better whisper that around your counterparts.

IMO Haye is too small for the heavyweight division and should focus on cleaning up in the cruiserweight division. No doubt he has talent but I don't think he'd fare too well against the behemoths coming from either side of the pond.

6'3, weighed in at 231 for his heavyweight debut. i don't see it as much of an issue. if he beats mormeck i expect him to move up to heavy straight away, too much of an issue to get down to cruiser these days for him.

[Thread Stealer]

indeed, although i've always thought he would stand the best chance against roy out of the british middleweights had tragedy not struck. he was owning eubank that night. decent pop, good ring smarts, fantastic defence, what he done to benn was fucking stunning.

Yep.

Watson's probably my favorite UK fighter ever. I loved his schooling of Benn. That was a beautiful performance to watch.

[marting]

6'3, weighed in at 231 for his heavyweight debut. i don't see it as much of an issue. if he beats mormeck i expect him to move up to heavy straight away, too much of an issue to get down to cruiser these days for him.


I didn't realize he gained so much weight. And the account I read said he weighed in at 217. Did it affect his speed?
Even at that size he's on the lower end of the scale and I worry about these guys who have to gain weight far above their natural walking around weight.

But I have an open mind and the proof is when he gets into the ring with a legitimate heavyweight.

[Thread Stealer]

Joe dosent seem that way though does he, he still lives in the Welsh Valleys with bugger all around him but hills and trees, its not like he goes round covered in gold, telling everyone how much cash he has and driving fancy care....have you even seen his gym, its a bit of a craphole to be fair, never bothered him.

It doesn't mean he doesn't care about money.

Bernard Hopkins still trains in the ghetto, and doesn't dress flashy or floss all the time with his luxuries.

He still obviously cares about money.

[Boro chris]

i think some brits need to get rid of that chip on their shoulder.

Although I agree with some of the points raised we Brits tend to have an inferiority complex when it comes to American fighters.

[peter5]

6'3, weighed in at 231 for his heavyweight debut. i don't see it as much of an issue. if he beats mormeck i expect him to move up to heavy straight away, too much of an issue to get down to cruiser these days for him.
I started a thread on here explaining the exact same thing! Glad to see there a at least a few reasonable people on here!

[ThePlugInBabies]

I didn't realize he gained so much weight. And the account I read said he weighed in at 217. Did it affect his speed?
Even at that size he's on the lower end of the scale and I worry about these guys who have to gain weight far above their natural walking around weight.

But I have an open mind and the proof is when he gets into the ring with a legitimate heavyweight.

d'oh, my mistake, he weighed in at 217, although i heard reports he was 225+ come fight time. he was quicker and more powerful at heavy. i'm not expecting him to reign supreme in the division, but he is an extremely exciting fighter and top quality bloke who has the chance to make a big name for himself.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Do you guys ever stop whining?

Shall I send a crate of tissues across the pond for you?



Jesus, things must be getting bad if the we're being called moaners by, without doubt, the biggest cry-baby nation on earth. :shock:

[Guru_Too_You]

Jesus, things must be getting bad if the we're being called moaners by, without doubt, the biggest cry-baby nation on earth. :shock:

Indeed, it is pretty sad.

[charlievint]

works both ways mate. i'm a brit but some of the anti american bitching and whining from some uk guys on here is a fucking joke.

joe c for instance is my fave current fighter, but he deserves stick for not grabbing ****** by the balls and demanding fights in the US. but some blinded uk fans will never accept this. some of us act like kids when one of our fighters is slagged off, but act like it's our god given right to bag the yanks anytime we feel for being overrated and hyped.

Thanks for some honestly and a unbaised POV. Look....in boxing EVERY Country over rates their guy every now and again....but when you look at their record and oppostition there is little doubt if a boxer is all hype or the truth.

There are GREAT fighters from over seas....Joe is one of them, Witter is a good fighter, hatton, abrahm ect.....they are now getting opposition that is far better than what they get at home and earning their merrit. But Joe for so long never tested his talents, his grit or skills b/c he was comfortable at home fighting guys he KNEW he would beat. Ubanks was Joe's biggest test and that was a decade ago....he should have been moving UP in terms of comp but he stayed idle. Kessler is move in the right direction but I think he wins this fight fairly easy.

[KO Boxing]

Hey!

We all know what happened the last time England went to war with America... ;) :D

[peter5]

Jesus, things must be getting bad if the we're being called moaners by, without doubt, the biggest cry-baby nation on earth. :shock:
Nice touch!

[My dinner with Conteh]

"I love you, pa"




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[ThePlugInBabies]

Hey!

We all know what happened the last time England went to war with America... ;) :D

yeah, you called upon those bastard frogs!! :tong

[My dinner with Conteh]

Hey!

We all know what happened the last time England went to war with America... ;) :D



Home advantage is big. That's why they fuck up when they leave their country. :D

[peter5]

Hey!

We all know what happened the last time England went to war with America... ;) :D
Yeah, our Brits got shot in "friendly fire" by our Yanky "Allies"!

[My dinner with Conteh]

I was watching some documentary the other day and some fucking idiot Yank cried all the way through his survival story. SHUT UP. FUCKING WHINING CUNT. Have they no dignity? It's five years later fat twat, the bear didn't catch you anyway. :huh

[marting]

Is Floyd Mayweather overrated?

[ThePlugInBabies]

I was watching some documentary the other day and some fucking idiot Yank cried all the way through his survival story. SHUT UP. FUCKING WHINING CUNT. Have they no dignity? It's five years later fat twat, the bear didn't catch you anyway. :huh

up until the bit about the bear it sounded very much like a perfect description of michael moore in fahrenheit 9/11.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Is Floyd Mayweather overrated?

every top level fighter has people who underrate him and people who overrate him. there is very rarely a definitive answer.

[peter5]

up until the bit about the bear it sounded very much like a perfect description of michael moore in fahrenheit 9/11.
Thats where I got confused!

[lefthook31]

Watching recent high-profile bouts from Britain between europeans and american-based fighters it seems to have been all one-way traffic recently:

Witter - Harris
Hatton in recent years
Maccarinelli - Braithwaite
Eastern European heavyweights dominating
Abraham vs everyone

and of course

Calzaghe - Lacy

having a good think about occasions when a top european was schooled, all I came up with

Luevano - Cook (but not really top class)
Jones Jr - Woods (5 years ago)
Barrera - Hamed (6 years ago)

And after a bit of boxrec research, also found

Dawson - Adamek
Spinks - Karmazin (an MD in Spinks' hometown)
Hopkins - Eastman (not really top class either)
and a few avenged defeats

but most US-based P4Ps fighters seemed to avoid anyone overseas, some, Jermain Taylor, Mosley haven't seemed to fight any!!!

Add to that the impact of other overseas fighters like Tsyzu, Pacquaio and Chris John and the plot thickens even more.

Seriously, if Hatton beats Mayweather - however likely that seems - then it questions of the legitimacy of the whole P4P rankings system imo.

Other way around really. Unfortunately America is the world stage for the best fighters, because it brings the most dollars. Proof of this is why now Hatton, and klitschkos have ventured into america for the bigger fights. Guys like Calzhage and Michalzewski had plenty of chances to take on the big fights to advance their P4P standings and chose to stay in their respective countries fighting a long list of nobodies with the occasional shot name fighter.
More proof is seen when guys like Hatton win controversially against a fighter like Collazo and Klitschko gets bitch slapped by Brewster. They then wake up and see fighting the "worlds" best requires improvement in their skills.
Much props to guys like Hatton and the fighters that actually take the initiative to go out and make the biggest fights.

[My dinner with Conteh]

up until the bit about the bear it sounded very much like a perfect description of michael moore in fahrenheit 9/11.


It could be any American documentary we've ever seen. :-(

[KO Boxing]

:lol:

I love it. Still ain't hearin' nothin but excuses. American owned England in the war.

[peter5]

Other way around really. Unfortunately America is the world stage for the best fighters, because it brings the most dollars. Proof of this is why now Hatton, and klitschkos have ventured into america for the bigger fights. Guys like Calzhage and Michalzewski had plenty of chances to take on the big fights to advance their P4P standings and chose to stay in their respective countries fighting a long list of nobodies with the occasional shot name fighter.
More proof is seen when guys like Hatton win controversially against a fighter like Collazo and Klitschko gets bitch slapped by Brewster. They then wake up and see fighting the "worlds" best requires improvement in their skills.
Much props to guys like Hatton and the fighters that actually take the initiative to go out and make the biggest fights.
I agree with you about "thats where the money is", but as for HAVING to go the States to prove yourself, thats only an opinion, mainly from people from within the states, why? I dont know, I dont bitch and moan that SSM, PBF, ODLH arent over here all the time, now before you say it, I know they dont have any particular need to, but in JC and Hattons case, neither did/do they need to, only in your eyes.

[Boro chris]

:lol:

I love it. Still ain't hearin' nothin but excuses. American owned England in the war.

230 odd years ago ffs!:D

Anyway, you could almost call it a civil war.

[KO Boxing]

America 1 England 0

[ThePlugInBabies]

:lol:

I love it. Still ain't hearin' nothin but excuses. American owned England in the war.

you want us to get colonial on your arse?!?!? :twisted:

[My dinner with Conteh]

:lol:

I love it. Still ain't hearin' nothin but excuses. American owned England in the war.


As if anyone gives a shit about something 200-odd years ago. Boring bastard. :lol:

[peter5]

:lol:

I love it. Still ain't hearin' nothin but excuses. American owned England in the war.
My Smilies aint working!

[My dinner with Conteh]

you want us to get colonial on your arse?!?!? :twisted:



Oh dear. You don't really give a fuck, surely?

[dwilson]

Watching recent high-profile bouts from Britain between europeans and american-based fighters it seems to have been all one-way traffic recently:

Witter - Harris
Hatton in recent years
Maccarinelli - Braithwaite
Eastern European heavyweights dominating
Abraham vs everyone

and of course

Calzaghe - Lacy

having a good think about occasions when a top european was schooled, all I came up with

Luevano - Cook (but not really top class)
Jones Jr - Woods (5 years ago)
Barrera - Hamed (6 years ago)

And after a bit of boxrec research, also found

Dawson - Adamek
Spinks - Karmazin (an MD in Spinks' hometown)
Hopkins - Eastman (not really top class either)
and a few avenged defeats

but most US-based P4Ps fighters seemed to avoid anyone overseas, some, Jermain Taylor, Mosley haven't seemed to fight any!!!

Add to that the impact of other overseas fighters like Tsyzu, Pacquaio and Chris John and the plot thickens even more.

Seriously, if Hatton beats Mayweather - however likely that seems - then it questions of the legitimacy of the whole P4P rankings system imo.


I agree.

[peter5]

America 1 England 0
You aint even american anyway, unless your native, so I aint particularly sure what your on about "Americans, got nothing better to do, why dont you kick yourself out your an immigrant too" (White stripes)

[ThePlugInBabies]

Oh dear. You don't really give a fuck, surely?

:rofl

did it sound serious.....

now where's that red jacket??? :tong

[KO Boxing]

You aint even american anyway, unless your native, so I aint particularly sure what your on about "Americans, got nothing better to do, why dont you kick yourself out your an immigrant too" (White stripes)
Just havin' fun, mate. Got nothin' better to do than rile up a few Brits... ;) Although initially I responded seriously.

[marting]

we shall see in November.


(will the ref be american? who chose gloves and ring size?)

Already the whining, put Hatton's favorite Mickey fucking Vann in that ring for all I care.

[peter5]

Just havin' fun, mate. Got nothin' better to do than rile up a few Brits... ;) Although initially I responded seriously.
Fair enough, I was only responding, we brits are a mix breed anyway! Who do have winning the JC fight then? out of curiosity

[KO Boxing]

Fair enough, I was only responding, we brits are a mix breed anyway! Who do have winning the JC fight then? out of curiosity
In all honesty, I'm slightly leaning towards Calzaghe... It's very much a: My head says Calzaghe, my heart says Kessler... Although in warning, I must admit I will probably lean more towards my heart and pick Kessler as my official pick closer to the date... And Kessler surely has enough to beat Calzaghe, so it's not a "fools" pick, by running with my heart, by any stretch of the imagination. This is very much a "50-50" fight for me... Although, in strict honesty, I'll say Calzaghe (although later, closer to the date, you may see me saying Kessler :D ).

Confusing enough?

[peter5]

In all honesty, I'm slightly leaning towards Calzaghe... It's very much a: My head says Calzaghe, my heart says Kessler... Although in warning, I must admit I will probably lean more towards my heart and pick Kessler as my official pick closer to the date... And Kessler surely has enough to beat Calzaghe, so it's not a "fools" pick, by running with my heart, by any stretch of the imagination. This is very much a "50-50" fight for me... Although, in strict honesty, I'll say Calzaghe (although later, closer to the date, you may see me saying Kessler :D ).

Confusing enough?
Confusing enough? You could say that! So really, what your saying is you think Kessler will win? Well I hope not, Ive already got my ticket, and I dont currently have JC's phone number to get my money back!

[CASH_718]

Watching recent high-profile bouts from Britain between europeans and american-based fighters it seems to have been all one-way traffic recently:

Witter - Harris
Hatton in recent years
Maccarinelli - Braithwaite
Eastern European heavyweights dominating
Abraham vs everyone

and of course

Calzaghe - Lacy

having a good think about occasions when a top european was schooled, all I came up with

Luevano - Cook (but not really top class)
Jones Jr - Woods (5 years ago)
Barrera - Hamed (6 years ago)

And after a bit of boxrec research, also found

Dawson - Adamek
Spinks - Karmazin (an MD in Spinks' hometown)
Hopkins - Eastman (not really top class either)
and a few avenged defeats

but most US-based P4Ps fighters seemed to avoid anyone overseas, some, Jermain Taylor, Mosley haven't seemed to fight any!!!

Add to that the impact of other overseas fighters like Tsyzu, Pacquaio and Chris John and the plot thickens even more.

Seriously, if Hatton beats Mayweather - however likely that seems - then it questions of the legitimacy of the whole P4P rankings system imo.

What?

[KO Boxing]

Confusing enough? You could say that! So really, what your saying is you think Kessler will win? Well I hope not, Ive already got my ticket, and I dont currently have JC's phone number to get my money back!
Well I wouldn't say that, exactly. I think a better way to put it, but perhaps just as confusing, is: I wouldn't be NOT happy if Joe C were to lose. :D

[peter5]

Well I wouldn't say that, exactly. I think a better way to put it, but perhaps just as confusing, is: I wouldn't be NOT happy if Joe C were to lose. :D
So what your saying is.........Kessler to win, hope JC loses, but JC could very well win? correct me if im wrong! or right! or at least close!

[lefthook31]

I agree with you about "thats where the money is", but as for HAVING to go the States to prove yourself, thats only an opinion, mainly from people from within the states, why? I dont know, I dont bitch and moan that SSM, PBF, ODLH arent over here all the time, now before you say it, I know they dont have any particular need to, but in JC and Hattons case, neither did/do they need to, only in your eyes.
Where do 95% of all the credible fights happen? Why has Hatton come to America to fight in half sold out arenas against tougher fighters when he could sell out MEN arena masturbating? Does that answer your questions? Its just a fact, Im not making this up.

[Brickhaus]

re the initial post, Harris and Braithewaite aren't even Americans....

As for the "Rumble in the Jungle" comment, that's just BS. Promoters NEVER plan a neutral-nation fight anymore. You'd never see another fight based out of Cuba, Zaire, Jamaica or the Phillipines with major name fighters like you used to in the past - the business of boxing has changed tremendously, and it's just not good business to go outside of both fighters' fanbases.

As for the guys who never fight overseas, there are plenty of Euros and Asians who never fight overseas either. When was the last time you saw Pong or John or Abraham or Dzinziruk in the US? Those fighters won't get as much respect over here because they've never gotten the exposure here, just the same way an American fighter won't get a ton of respect overseas if they don't have the exposure there. Point is it's all a two-way street. People on here only THINK that American boxers are overrated because most of the major boxing media outlets are American, and they don't get the chance to see most foreign fights when they happen.

[kg0208]

re the initial post, Harris and Braithewaite aren't even Americans....

As for the "Rumble in the Jungle" comment, that's just BS. Promoters NEVER plan a neutral-nation fight anymore. You'd never see another fight based out of Cuba, Zaire, Jamaica or the Phillipines with major name fighters like you used to in the past - the business of boxing has changed tremendously, and it's just not good business to go outside of both fighters' fanbases.

As for the guys who never fight overseas, there are plenty of Euros and Asians who never fight overseas either. When was the last time you saw Pong or John or Abraham or Dzinziruk in the US? Those fighters won't get as much respect over here because they've never gotten the exposure here, just the same way an American fighter won't get a ton of respect overseas if they don't have the exposure there. Point is it's all a two-way street. People on here only THINK that American boxers are overrated because most of the major boxing media outlets are American, and they don't get the chance to see most foreign fights when they happen.

Perfectly explained. 2 way street:bbb