Pac is top-10 P4P on ATG list period!

[SugarShane_24]

I bet this thread gets a record breaking number of views in a matter of minutes. Simply because I have written a very interesting (or as fellow ESB members say: nuthugging) title. It's a trend/phenomenon that has been going on here at ESB.


It seems as though no topic about Pac was spared and he plus his fans gets bashed all over the place.


WHAT GIVES?


You check out any boxing forum and you can find ever faithful fans. Pac fans are no different. They may not be always rational, simply because they let their emotions and passions flow freely. What makes Pac fans different from Klitschko fans? Mayweather fans? Calzaghe fans? What?


It seems it has been a habit forming experience to match Pac up with an established (usually, a naturally bigger)ATG which is really a pointless exercise. It all seems like these mythical match-ups are like relief valves to reduce frustration of Pac beating up mexican boxers one by one. Why not put up a thread matching him with Pipino Cuevas for pete's sake. Worst of all, doesn't some guys like pole's, or spanish talk in their languages in this forums even if it's really unnecessary? Then why type "rgiwghu hfuewh hfiehwfio" or add some other bullshit on Filipino language that you don't understand?


Not all Filipino are as good a boxing expert. They may be overhyping Pac, or whatever you dislike of them. But don't they make this forum more lively with their passionate cheering? Doesn't "the more, the merrier" count anymore?


Just asking.

[MrMagic]

no

in the future?
Maybe

[Executioner]

Pac is top-10 on ATG list period!

NO!

[Guru_Too_You]

Not even close.

[Thread Stealer]

Pacquiao groupies (and I say groupies, not reasonable fans) here seem a little more ignorant about the sport than other groupies.

Pac groupies= most ignorant about the sport/history of boxing

Oscar groupies= most ignorant about their own subject matter, or his opponents, the situation at the time, etc..

Tyson groupies were the most delusional, but they've seemed to finally accept that he's done.

[SugarShane_24]

See? The title of the thread alone, which really is just a prop to get attention, got a healthy amount of reply. I guess my post or my point wasn't even read.

[Executioner]

I didnt even bother to read your post :yep. Truth is, is whenever someone posts a thread with such a title, they shall be shot down immediately

[puga_ni_nana]

See? The title of the thread alone, which really is just a prop to get attention, got a healthy amount of reply. I guess my post or my point wasn't even read.





yeah. some are just quick to say "no" without reading or comprehending what actually you want to put across. :lol:

[IntentionalButt]

Pac KO1 John L. Sullivan wearing latex gloves in a mudpit.

[jonesjrp4p1]

hahahahahahahaha:lol: hahahahaha:lol:

[Marnoff]

No.

[SugarShane_24]

I see, people still think I'm serious about the thread title. Oh boy!

[Executioner]

I see, people still think I'm serious about the thread title. Oh boy!

Serious or not, it's an absolute disgrace to make such bold comments involving Pac. :nono

[SugarShane_24]

It didn't, in fact it showed how much of an idiot a lot of people here are.

[Morrissey]

It didn't, in fact it showed how much of an idiot a lot of people here are.

I have to agree on that. :thumbsup

[Morrissey]

i just gotta ask you asian needle-dicks, how do you satisfy your women, when its proven, that your penis´ are smaller then other races:yep

It is because Asians are more sensible and are infinitely more mature compared to you whose humor is as classless as your race.. :hey

[kg0208]

I bet this thread gets a record breaking number of views in a matter of minutes. Simply because I have written a very interesting (or as fellow ESB members say: nuthugging) title. It's a trend/phenomenon that has been going on here at ESB.


It seems as though no topic about Pac was spared and he plus his fans gets bashed all over the place.


WHAT GIVES?


You check out any boxing forum and you can find ever faithful fans. Pac fans are no different. They may not be always rational, simply because they let their emotions and passions flow freely. What makes Pac fans different from Klitschko fans? Mayweather fans? Calzaghe fans? What?


It seems it has been a habit forming experience to match Pac up with an established (usually, a naturally bigger)ATG which is really a pointless exercise. It all seems like these mythical match-ups are like relief valves to reduce frustration of Pac beating up mexican boxers one by one. Why not put up a thread matching him with Pipino Cuevas for pete's sake. Worst of all, doesn't some guys like pole's, or spanish talk in their languages in this forums even if it's really unnecessary? Then why type "rgiwghu hfuewh hfiehwfio" or add some other bullshit on Filipino language that you don't understand?


Not all Filipino are as good a boxing expert. They may be overhyping Pac, or whatever you dislike of them. But don't they make this forum more lively with their passionate cheering? Doesn't "the more, the merrier" count anymore?


Just asking.
Oh I read it.

And it's simple. Cheer a fighter....fine. Overrate a fighter, fine. Just realize it's a public forum and people will disagree. Respectfully disagree and move on or debate in a cordial manner.

Saying others are haters for not agreeing with you, now you have pissed off the forum. Insulting others who don't agree with you right out of the shoot will also get people riled up.

Bashing other fighters in the process saying they haven't done as much based on some irrational standard? Or that Pacman is greater than them despite tons of evidence to the contrary? You deserve to get crapped on.

Antagonizing an entire race (mexicans) by calling Pacman the mexicutioner? Did you think that they were just going to say it's all good?

And lastly, constantly making up excuses when he loses....that gets fans of EVERY fighter bashed.

[Guru_Too_You]

Oh I read it.

And it's simple. Cheer a fighter....fine. Overrate a fighter, fine. Just realize it's a public forum and people will disagree. Respectfully disagree and move on or debate in a cordial manner.

Saying others are haters for not agreeing with you, now you have pissed off the forum. Insulting others who don't agree with you right out of the shoot will also get people riled up.

Bashing other fighters in the process saying they haven't done as much based on some irrational standard? Or that Pacman is greater than them despite tons of evidence to the contrary? You deserve to get crapped on.

Antagonizing an entire race (mexicans) by calling Pacman the mexicutioner? Did you think that they were just going to say it's all good?

And lastly, constantly making up excuses when he loses....that gets fans of EVERY fighter bashed.

:good

[mbandit]

Oh I read it.

And it's simple. Cheer a fighter....fine. Overrate a fighter, fine. Just realize it's a public forum and people will disagree. Respectfully disagree and move on or debate in a cordial manner.

Saying others are haters for not agreeing with you, now you have pissed off the forum. Insulting others who don't agree with you right out of the shoot will also get people riled up.

Bashing other fighters in the process saying they haven't done as much based on some irrational standard? Or that Pacman is greater than them despite tons of evidence to the contrary? You deserve to get crapped on.

Antagonizing an entire race (mexicans) by calling Pacman the mexicutioner? Did you think that they were just going to say it's all good?

And lastly, constantly making up excuses when he loses....that gets fans of EVERY fighter bashed.
Great post!:good

[reed_man02]

Oh I read it.

And it's simple. Cheer a fighter....fine. Overrate a fighter, fine. Just realize it's a public forum and people will disagree. Respectfully disagree and move on or debate in a cordial manner.

Saying others are haters for not agreeing with you, now you have pissed off the forum. Insulting others who don't agree with you right out of the shoot will also get people riled up.

Bashing other fighters in the process saying they haven't done as much based on some irrational standard? Or that Pacman is greater than them despite tons of evidence to the contrary? You deserve to get crapped on.

Antagonizing an entire race (mexicans) by calling Pacman the mexicutioner? Did you think that they were just going to say it's all good?

And lastly, constantly making up excuses when he loses....that gets fans of EVERY fighter bashed.

Exactly. There are more pac fans of this type than not. The threadstarter should address those poster rather than the posters who respond to them. You can brag and boast all you want, but when you get disrespectful and even racist, you deserve what coming to you.

[jecxbox]

If Pacman cleans out 130lbs in impressive fashion and I mean CLEAN OUT and maybe gets a belt at 135lbs then he definitely deserves to be at least top 20 man, cus honestly he has already had a hell of a career and really hasn't had any easy breaks. If he kept this going for another 3 years and another belt at 135? That would be sick. The level of competition at 130lbs is absurd!

[reed_man02]

It is because Asians are more sensible and are infinitely more mature compared to you whose humor is as classless as your race.. :hey

at least his race has the ability to satisfy a women.:yep

j/k mo, youre a cool cat.:good

[Fab2333]

NO!:deal

[reed_man02]

When was the term Mexicutioner racist? Its actually a funny alias...its a mockery nothing to take serious...Its boxing. Its actually a homage to Mexicans that heres a guy trying to shake the establishemnt in the lower ranks...Establishment meaning Mexicanos..makes for exciting boxing

When Roger Mayweather was coined the Mexican Assasin no one seemed to mind??

Someone can come up with Filipino assassin as a nickname and people will not protest...

Its when people gets stereotypical..thats when it gets bad.

As for Pac vs Mexicans there are no animosities at all its actually the opposite...Pacs friends with Arce and Erik now..There are no riots between Flip and Mexicans because theyre similar in some ways

I wasnt referring to the term "mexicutioner". Some posters here and on other fourms have been flat out racist towards mexicans and the majority of pac fans here enjoy disrespecting mexicans and their fighters without any class. If the pac fans are the ones being sterotypical, wouldnt you expect other to respond in the same manner?

Its simple, you act like a troll you'll get treated like one, and unfortunately most of the pac fans here are the exact definition of a troll.:deal

[johnco]

gotta say pac is great but not top 10..... :D

but pac fans have always the bragging rights .... :good :good

[johnco]

i just gotta ask you asian needle-dicks, how do you satisfy your women, when its proven, that your penis´ are smaller then other races:yep

well, i am not insecured by my manhood. i dated lots of races here in states. white blacks latinas and asians. :lol: :lol: and they are satisfied :smoke plus asians have the money to burn and educated.... i dont know about you greatdane but i guess you finished GED?? :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Guru_Too_You]

Yes he is.

Top 10 P4P ATG.............






















from the Phillipines.

[johnco]

:rofl :rofl Yes he is.

Top 10 PFP ATG.............






















from the Phillipines.

yap and the mexicans kneeled in front of him :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Executioner]

No, the only one kneeling infront of him would be YOU while you suck him off.

fuckin moron :hi:

[Beebs]

This is beyond absurd, if he goes on at continues at his current rate for many more years than maybe, maybe its a possibility, maybe. But right now its not even in the realm of consideration.

[johnco]

No, the only one kneeling infront of him would be YOU while you suck him off.

fuckin moron :hi:

ohhh, is that so but how come i saw a lot of mexicans kneel in front of him ???? :lol: :lol: :lol: you want me to show pictures again because it looks like your retardation is going severe??? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :good :good :good

[kg0208]

Its not absurd...TOP 10 is but not top 20 .. Top 20 He can get realistically.

Not sure. If he did what PacD laid out for him, he would be top 10.

But getting all those fights is going to be harder than even winning them. And analyzing Pacman's style and his ability, I think 135 will be too much.

Unifying 130 will get him into the top 40 or so, but not top 20. Look at the guys outside the top 20 and what they did and you'll see why.

[Beebs]

Its not absurd...TOP 10 is but not top 20 .. Top 20 He can get realistically.

So you admit yourself that top 10 is absurd.
:huh :nut

[Beebs]

Pacquiao groupies (and I say groupies, not reasonable fans) here seem a little more ignorant about the sport than other groupies.

Pac groupies= most ignorant about the sport/history of boxing

:deal

Gospel

[kg0208]

Yes impossible to attain...Had Pac came out an Olympic Gold medalist..higher profile in the states from the start... not lost to erik, dominated JMM.. its still not a lock...People needs to get serious top 10 GOAT is just that...its no joke.

Trust me, if Pacman unified 130, then beat Casamayor and Diaz at 135, then beat PBF at 140 (If PBF came down) or Hatton if he beats PBF, he would be top 10 IMO and probably most people's.

But I think it's impossible to do all of that.

[PacDbest]

Trust me, if Pacman unified 130, then beat Casamayor and Diaz at 135, then beat PBF at 140 (If PBF came down) or Hatton if he beats PBF, he would be top 10 IMO and probably most people's.

But I think it's impossible to do all of that.

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???

[Executioner]

A snowball has a better chance in hell than Pac does against Hatton or
Floyd

[Fab2333]

A snowball has a better chance in hell than Pac does against Hatton or
Floyd:rofl:rofl:good

[kg0208]

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???

But PacD, you keep saying this one statement which nullifies your point. He has alreadly lost at 130 and hasn't faced any of the top fighters. You can't say he is blowing through the competition as the basis of your belief. You can, but it's not true.

[PacDbest]

But PacD, you keep saying this one statement which nullifies your point. He has alreadly lost at 130 and hasn't faced any of the top fighters. You can't say he is blowing through the competition as the basis of your belief. You can, but it's not true.

He lost in his first fight at 130 by a Close Decision, where he was cut & suckered to wear pillow Gloves against a Great fighter He Koed in the their next 2 fights. You look it a Big picture not just narrow in that one loss. Who do you think can beat Pac at 130???

[Morrissey]

at least his race has the ability to satisfy a women.:yep

j/k mo, youre a cool cat.:good

:lol:

I can't do anythng about it, then..:yep :good

[kg0208]

He lost in his first fight at 130 by a Close Decision, where he was cut & suckered to wear pillow Gloves against a Great fighter He Koed in the their next 2 fights. You look it a Big picture not just narrow in that one loss. Who do you think can beat Pac at 130???

Read the entire post. I focused on more than his loss. And I don't want to hear the excuse as to why he lost. If he was past it? Ok...but gloves and a headbutt (they happen in fights all the time, and fighters still win)?

I said he hasn't fought another top 10 guy, which is true, so you can't use "he is blowing through competition at 130" as a validation for your statement. He needs to fight somebody good there.

Any of the champions could beat Pacman. Due to his lack of serious opposition there, we don't know how good he really is at 130.

[dave82]

Pac is top-10 P4P on ATG list period! Now I've seen it all here

[dave82]

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???

When was the last time i saw a dude with a piss poor excuse for a mustache? Don't remember

[mad_takamura]

i just gotta ask you asian needle-dicks, how do you satisfy your women, when its proven, that your penis´ are smaller then other races:yep
when we talk about boxing i hope it's only within the perimeters of boxing: talking outside of it and especially racism is another thing! it's already below the belt!
i remmeber one named penasco69 who did great shit against us pinoys and those things he said was pretty offensive. more than allblack dished..
if we say that jmm likes peanuts then say pac has a funny mustache! anything outside of it like you asians have small dicks is nothing but pure discrimination...
plus only the japs has that not us pinoys!:patsch

[stillafan]

No!

[Lance_Uppercut]

Great post. The PacHate in these boards sure is great and overbearing.

The mods should do something about this. :bart

Maybe the mods should do somehting about the Pad nuthuggers as well, seeing as they spew as much garbage as the haters. Even more actually...

[carras]

pac huggers are the most delusional people on these board....
and that is saying a lot.

[PATSYS]

All I can say about htis thread is that Pac is on his way

[Lance_Uppercut]

PacFans are actually more reasonable than FloydFans, that's for sure! :good

That's like saying getting shot by a gun in the guts is less painfull then the kneecap.

I hate to tell you this, but you Pac fans are worse. It's only really bigtime9 who goes overboard. With you pac fans, there's more. :deal

[Lance_Uppercut]

Jeebus you're a Cotto-Trinidad Fan. STFU. :hi:

And that means nothing and is irrelevent compared to Pac fans who claim he beats EVERYONE, even ATG"s, who are near his weight class. Pac beats Duran, Chavez, Mayweather @ 130, DLH @ 130, Arguello. Ya'll are pretty ridiculous.

[kg0208]

Castillo beat Mayweather @ 130. Surely Pac is a lot better than Castillo? :hi:

Castillo fought PBF at 135. And it says "L" next to his record there.

No, Pacman is not alot better than prime Castillo, though he is admittedly a better overall fighter.

[kg0208]

Castillo wouldn't have seen anything like Pac had they met. And Pac has gone through the likes of MAB/ Morales/ JMM like they were amateurs, so a Castillo should be fairly easy. :hi:

Castillo was much stronger than any of those guys and hits MUCH harder. See, you need to be reasonable.

[dave82]

Castillo beat Mayweather @ 130. Surely Pac is a lot better than Castillo? :hi:

:patsch

[Lance_Uppercut]

How can you say Pac fans are worse? Their man delivers. Floyd fans however think that Floyd-Baldomir was the pinnacle of boxing. WTF? :rofl

And wtf does Pac winning have to do with his fans being morons? Either way, comparing yourselves to Mayweather fans shows how dumb you are if you think they are dumb as well.

[1lehudson]

Castillo beat Mayweather @ 130. Surely Pac is a lot better than Castillo? :hi:JMM beat pac so whats your point, surely Floyd is better then Marquez.

Wow this place is going down hill fast.

I just love the way that Pac fans love to talk about floyd losing to castillo which didnt happen by the way, then forget that pac has actaully been knocked out several times and beat by a shot Morelas. Then one could throw in the fight JMM fight and Agapito Sanchez fight in which Pac was getting his ass handed to him. Yeah that is the stuff of a p4p all time great, losing fights like that before he is past his best days.

[cuchulain]

JMM beat pac so whats your point,


Point is, he didn't.

The fight was scored a draw. One of the judges later admitted that he didn't know how to score KDs at the time and if he had, Pac would have win a SD against the second best boxer in the division


Then one could throw in the fight JMM fight and Agapito Sanchez fight in which Pac was getting his ass handed to him.

Did you even see the fight?


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[Lance_Uppercut]

Hello? If a fighter exhibits greatness that makes his fan base more legit. At the same time, if a fighter exhibits selfishness and an unwillingness to fight, that makes his fan base more and more ridiculous.

Entiendes? Still no comprende? :patsch

His greatness is meaningless when it comes to what his fans know. You are proof of that, just as Bigtime9 is proof Mayweather's greatness doesn't mean his fans are scholars. You make no sense.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Floyd lost to Castillo. Decisions made by lousy judging are always irrelevant in a boxing board discussion.

Pac has been KOd because he failed to make the weight.

JMM got beat up in the Pac fight he had to run all the way to far-flung Indonesia.

Sanchez was getting beat, even if he employed dirty tactics.

Pac is an ATG. Deal with it. :hi:

More proof you're just a friggin clueless child.

[Lance_Uppercut]

How about the Golota groupies? They're even worse like talking about his sunglasses and underwear. :lol: I guess the next topic they'll have about Golota is the size of his dick or the type of circumcision he had, if any. :lol::lol::lol:
No matter how bad you think another group of fans are, you are just as bad Domngo. I'm sorry you didn't realize that. Must suck to just find out what a joke you are on this board. I can't say that I can relate.

EDIT. Sorry if I confused you wioth domingo. I HOPE you aren't the same poster.

[Beebs]

JMM got beat up in the Pac fight he had to run all the way to far-flung Indonesia.

Pac lost more rounds than he won.

[theHawtness]

what if im not mexican, but just dislike asian people, based on the fact, they have weird eyes and cant satisfy their women, and thats why we buy them:deal
thanks smart ass :verysad

[1lehudson]

Floyd lost to Castillo. Decisions made by lousy judging are always irrelevant in a boxing board discussion.

Pac has been KOd because he failed to make the weight.

JMM got beat up in the Pac fight he had to run all the way to far-flung Indonesia.

Sanchez was getting beat, even if he employed dirty tactics.

Pac is an ATG. Deal with it. :hi:Are you really that clueless?? The same can and was said about Pac and JMM, many if not most felt that Jmm won that fight. As far as the Sanchez fight goes Pac wasnt winning that fight in fact he was getting his ass kicked, at the time of the stoppage the fight was scored a draw HOWEVER sanchez was deducted two points without that Sanchez would have been ahead 60-54, 58-56 which mean that Pac wasnt winning the fight.

Oh and by the way, no one gets knocked out because they couldnt make weight, He got knocked out because he got hit on the chin.

[platnumpapi]

i dont think so, pbf to me is not even top 10 atg and he is miles closer then pac fuck head.

[dave82]

i dont think so, pbf to me is not even top 10 atg and he is miles closer then pac fuck head.

Good post. Just because people think PAC 'maybe' better than Mayweather doesnt mean he is an ATG. I dont even consider Mayweather a top 10 ATG let alone PAC. A fucking shit thread, and make no mistake i rate PACMAN highly however his record and achievements is a fucking joke compared to the people who are in the top 10 ATG list. :hi:

[puga_ni_nana]

Oh and by the way, no one gets knocked out because they couldnt make weight, He got knocked out because he got hit on the chin.

yeah, pacquiao was hit but in the body. he did not made the 112 limit and was stripped of the belt even before going up in the ring. he was really drained of water and food for this fight and he was weak.

and this is the reason why he was knocked down pretty easily (3rd round if i recall). this is the time when pacquiao was growing up so fast that he cannot maintain the 112 lbs anymore.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Maintaining 112 lbs in a 5'7" height is punishing. I myself can beat him at this condition.

:patsch

You couldn't beat him if he gave you a bottle of KY...

[dave82]

Maintaining 112 lbs in a 5'7" height is punishing. I myself can beat him at this condition.

dude you ain't beating him at no weight. He lays you out and dumps on your chest in 30 seconds.:good

[kadyo]

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???
Wow just wow!!!!

Bring pacD back please...

[chimba]

PACDBEST was the greatest poster in here. No pretentious cut and paste bs. No I know boxing, you dont childish crap. His fucking insight was so ahead of everyone else and his details of how things are going to come down is unbelievable.

[Fighting Pride]

Pac vs Marciano would be a WAR!

[Fighting Pride]

PACDBEST was the greatest poster in here. No pretentious cut and paste bs. No I know boxing, you dont childish crap. His fucking insight was so ahead of everyone else and his details of how things are going to come down is unbelievable.


Yep, he was pretty much the only one to believe Pac could not only fight, but beat Oscar, and he copped alot of abuse for it. Didn't the word Pactard originate from his bold predictions? He ended up being right. He predicted Donaire would beat Darchynian too

[kadyo]

PACDBEST was the greatest poster in here. No pretentious cut and paste bs. No I know boxing, you dont childish crap. His fucking insight was so ahead of everyone else and his details of how things are going to come down is unbelievable.I'm thinking of bumping some more predictions from the pinoy nostradamus chimba. PacD is da man!!!!

[Boxed Ears]

See? The title of the thread alone, which really is just a prop to get attention, got a healthy amount of reply. I guess my post or my point wasn't even read.





I read it. I don't know what to say to it. I don't care who over hypes Pac. His fans are good for the sport.

[pugilistspecialist]

A BIG FAT NO:patsch.....HE IS TOP 30:good

[igor_otsky]

PACDBEST was the greatest poster in here. No pretentious cut and paste bs. No I know boxing, you dont childish crap. His fucking insight was so ahead of everyone else and his details of how things are going to come down is unbelievable.

...but due to his bold predictions, he got banned from esb. most of the guys here, including pacfans ridiculed his posts way back 2007. here comes 2010, and now we need pacd, the freddy roach of ESB..

[Marcelo]

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???

Nostradamus has spokeN!!! One more!!!! Floyd where are you?

[anarci]

If he beats Mayweather hes in. As of right now hes knocking on the door but cant come in yet.






























I still think Marquez beat him.

[Xerant]

Its gonna be funny when Pac-Man gets feed Insta-Bum pills.

[PH|LLA]

he's not top10, but he's definately top20, at the very worst top30

just saw the date on this post. Just goes to show how even sensible posters like KG had no idea sometimes

[JoeThePlumber]

When all is said and done, I believe Pacquiao will be, at worst, top 5 P4P ATG.

[Jetmax]

Fuck! Another one of those bumped threads. Realized it at the end of the first page.
These kind of threads are always interesting.

And NO.

[Mr. V.I.P.]

:lol:

[Marcelo]

...but due to his bold predictions, he got banned from esb. most of the guys here, including pacfans ridiculed his posts way back 2007. here comes 2010, and now we need pacd, the freddy roach of ESB..


Who do we need to talk to to bring back Pacdbest?? Who's the Authority to bring him back?? As far as I know, one moderator abused their authority banning a Great Mind like him,.

[Totomabs]

and who would have seen these things coming..:lol:

only pacdbest.:yep

and guys, if you try reading the TS's initial post, you'd realize that his title was created just to make a point. :lol:

[sdsfinest22]

I bet this thread gets a record breaking number of views in a matter of minutes. Simply because I have written a very interesting (or as fellow ESB members say: nuthugging) title. It's a trend/phenomenon that has been going on here at ESB.


It seems as though no topic about Pac was spared and he plus his fans gets bashed all over the place.


WHAT GIVES?


You check out any boxing forum and you can find ever faithful fans. Pac fans are no different. They may not be always rational, simply because they let their emotions and passions flow freely. What makes Pac fans different from Klitschko fans? Mayweather fans? Calzaghe fans? What?


It seems it has been a habit forming experience to match Pac up with an established (usually, a naturally bigger)ATG which is really a pointless exercise. It all seems like these mythical match-ups are like relief valves to reduce frustration of Pac beating up mexican boxers one by one. Why not put up a thread matching him with Pipino Cuevas for pete's sake. Worst of all, doesn't some guys like pole's, or spanish talk in their languages in this forums even if it's really unnecessary? Then why type "rgiwghu hfuewh hfiehwfio" or add some other bullshit on Filipino language that you don't understand?


Not all Filipino are as good a boxing expert. They may be overhyping Pac, or whatever you dislike of them. But don't they make this forum more lively with their passionate cheering? Doesn't "the more, the merrier" count anymore?


Just asking.

HELL NO:rofl:rofl:rofl..IVE EXPLAINED MANY TIMES WHY HE ISNT A TOP 10

THIS IS WHY U PACTARDS ARE WORSE THAN ANY FANS ON HERE..:hat

[Toontoon]

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???

Since all of the Pactards look up to PacDbest as being the most knowledgeable Pactard going we can just confirm his thoughts on the fight.

If Pacquiao wins he's beating a past prime Mayweather but if Floyd wins then he is beating a prime Pacquiao, so in theory Mayweather should get more credit for beating a prime ATG than Pacquiao should get for beating (another) past prime ATG.

Thanks for confirming, PacDbest.:thumbsup

[Marcelo]

Since all of the Pactards look up to PacDbest as being the most knowledgeable Pactard going we can just confirm his thoughts on the fight.

If Pacquiao wins he's beating a past prime Mayweather but if Floyd wins then he is beating a prime Pacquiao, so in theory Mayweather should get more credit for beating a prime ATG than Pacquiao should get for beating (another) past prime ATG.

Thanks for confirming, PacDbest.:thumbsup


Let's convinced Floyd to step in the ring with Pac first!!!

[Big Left]

yeah when pac retires people are gonna worship the guy. floyd might beat him h2h but being atg is all about what you do in your career and how many time you just go out there and shock the boxing world.

[Big Left]

If he beats Mayweather hes in. As of right now hes knocking on the door but cant come in yet.



PBF is not some sort of guardian to atg status for pac. pac could have stayed at a lower weight class and cleaned up dominating the divison. he could have been the floyd of a lower weight class but he is challanging himself in a unique way.

many fighters have done what floyd has done - but pac is the greatest weight climber in the history of boxing.

[DobyZhee]

Stop your gaddamn whining...

[Marnoff]

If he beats Mayweather I wouldn't have a problem with this ranking.

[Marcelo]

PBF is not some sort of guardian to atg status for pac. pac could have stayed at a lower weight class and cleaned up dominating the divison. he could have been the floyd of a lower weight class but he is challanging himself in a unique way.

many fighters have done what floyd has done - but pac is the greatest weight climber in the history of boxing.

:good

[Don Q]

Posts like this are the ones who make Pac fans look so bad. You guys are almost like team Pacquiao talking shit and making Pac look bad.

[Marcelo]

Posts like this are the ones who make Pac fans look so bad. You guys are almost like team Pacquiao talking shit and making Pac look bad.

tell that to pacdbest!!! Did he makes pac look bad? NO!!! Pacd makes his critics looks stupid!! Where's KG0208, acb, amsterdumb, sweetpee etc??? Everyone of them gone hiding in shame.

[PH|LLA]

Marcelo = JohnCo

for sure.

[Marcelo]

Marcelo = JohnCo

for sure.

nope!!! you're not sure!!! I'm sure I'm not!!

[JLocs]

I didnt even bother to read your post :yep. Truth is, is whenever someone posts a thread with such a title, they shall be shot down immediately
:good

[JLocs]

I bet this thread gets a record breaking number of views in a matter of minutes. Simply because I have written a very interesting (or as fellow ESB members say: nuthugging) title. It's a trend/phenomenon that has been going on here at ESB.


It seems as though no topic about Pac was spared and he plus his fans gets bashed all over the place.


WHAT GIVES?


You check out any boxing forum and you can find ever faithful fans. Pac fans are no different. They may not be always rational, simply because they let their emotions and passions flow freely. What makes Pac fans different from Klitschko fans? Mayweather fans? Calzaghe fans? What?


It seems it has been a habit forming experience to match Pac up with an established (usually, a naturally bigger)ATG which is really a pointless exercise. It all seems like these mythical match-ups are like relief valves to reduce frustration of Pac beating up mexican boxers one by one. Why not put up a thread matching him with Pipino Cuevas for pete's sake. Worst of all, doesn't some guys like pole's, or spanish talk in their languages in this forums even if it's really unnecessary? Then why type "rgiwghu hfuewh hfiehwfio" or add some other bullshit on Filipino language that you don't understand?


Not all Filipino are as good a boxing expert. They may be overhyping Pac, or whatever you dislike of them. But don't they make this forum more lively with their passionate cheering? Doesn't "the more, the merrier" count anymore?


Just asking.
phuck pac and his FANS....:good

[kalunya5964]

If he beats Mayweather hes in. As of right now hes knocking on the door but cant come in yet.

I still think Marquez beat him.

Many people think so too but just like you, they are not quite right.

[Vitor Belfort]

Not yet but when or if mayweather ever grow a pair of balls to fight pacquiao then there will be no question he is an ATG. I believe he can beat mayweather and can retire as one of the top 10 atg in boxing.

[Marcelo]

Not yet but when or if mayweather ever grow a pair of balls to fight pacquiao then there will be no question he is an ATG. I believe he can beat mayweather and can retire as one of the top 10 atg in boxing.

But how are we going to project Pac as beatable so that Floyd can take the fight?

Floyd waits till Hatton show some weakness in the Collazo and Lazcano fight before Floyd take the fight. He wait till mosley was into almost his 40s. Now Floyd want to drain Pac 1st.

[Vitor Belfort]

But how are we going to project Pac as beatable so that Floyd can take the fight?

Floyd waits till Hatton show some weakness in the Collazo and Lazcano fight before Floyd take the fight. He wait till mosley was into almost his 40s. Now Floyd want to drain Pac 1st.


show him sparring and get knockdown by donaire.:lol:

[Totomabs]

phuck pac and his FANS....:good


double phuck you to the 20th power! beat that!:thumbsup

[Totomabs]

Since all of the Pactards look up to PacDbest as being the most knowledgeable Pactard going we can just confirm his thoughts on the fight.

If Pacquiao wins he's beating a past prime Mayweather but if Floyd wins then he is beating a prime Pacquiao, so in theory Mayweather should get more credit for beating a prime ATG than Pacquiao should get for beating (another) past prime ATG.

Thanks for confirming, PacDbest.:thumbsup


only way to determine that is for both to fight it out in the ring..

i hope mayweather postpones his planned 2 year vacation at least until after november.:good

[el mosquito]

this thread was made when the Pacdbest-johnco-domngo trio was still terrorizing the mexiland that was ESb general forum lol

[Bladegunner]

If pac is top 10 then after floyd beats him, floyd will be even greater than that.

[PH|LLA]

If pac is top 10 then after floyd beats him, floyd will be even greater than that.
yea if Hearns and Hagler were greater than Duran, and Winky was greater than Mosley, and Ceferino Garcia was equal to Henry Armstrong, etc... you might have a point.

[Bladegunner]

yea if Hearns and Hagler were greater than Duran, and Winky was greater than Mosley, and Ceferino Garcia was equal to Henry Armstrong, etc... you might have a point.

Funny how pac will lose his p4p ranking as soon as he loses to mayweather. Yet Pac only got his number 1 p4p ranking when mayweather retired.

History will look at this fact and will not dare place pac ahead of floyd on the p4p ATG list.

[PH|LLA]

Funny how pac will lose his p4p ranking as soon as he loses to mayweather. Yet Pac only got his number 1 p4p ranking when mayweather retired.

History will look at this fact and will not dare place pac ahead of floyd on the p4p ATG list.
Pac would've taken the p4p top spot regardless of wether Floyd retired or not. It was a non-factor. Pac took Floyd's last two wins before his retirement and made them both look like tomato cans. That was a major reality check. And then he destroyed the guy who beat Judah. So Pac although moving up from super featherweight outshined what Floyd was able to do as a WW and it kind showed how Floyd was overhyped. That's a 3 division difference.

[Bladegunner]

Pac would've taken the p4p top spot regardless of wether Floyd retired or not. It was a non-factor. Pac took Floyd's last two wins before his retirement and made them both look like tomato cans. That was a major reality check. And then he destroyed the guy who beat Judah. So Pac although moving up from super featherweight outshined what Floyd was able to do as a WW and it kind showed how Floyd was overhyped. That's a 3 division difference.

No he wouldn't have. Floyd would have taken on 2 more top notch challenges and remained p4p the best. Instead he retired, now he back people are split as to who the true p4p number 1, which is why this fight is so highly anticipated.

When it's all said and done the winner will settle this argument once and for all and only the losers nuthuggers fans will still argue for their man to be considered the best.

[tliang1000]

test

[kobefan]

all i can say at the moment is that he has a very amazing and impressive record. i haven't really evaluated who are my top 10 ATG.

from what i have heard he started at 104lbs?! is this true?! How many 104pounders today will have a chance to beat somebody at 145/147 pounder?!

Can some haters give me a list?! for the pac fans can somebody pls give me an accurate breakdown of his record?!

[Totomabs]

this thread was made when the Pacdbest-johnco-domngo trio was still terrorizing the mexiland that was ESb general forum lol


:yep

[Totomabs]

No he wouldn't have. Floyd would have taken on 2 more top notch challenges and remained p4p the best. Instead he retired, now he back people are split as to who the true p4p number 1, which is why this fight is so highly anticipated.

When it's all said and done the winner will settle this argument once and for all and only the losers nuthuggers fans will still argue for their man to be considered the best.


but he didn't/wouldn't.:lol:

[Bladegunner]

but he didn't/wouldn't.:lol:

You should say that to Philla, because he says pac WOULD have taken top spot anyway.


Bullshit.

[PH|LLA]

You should say that to Philla, because he says pac WOULD have taken top spot anyway.


Bullshit.
but Pac DID take the top spot. Regardless of what Floyd did or didn't do, the bottom line is that Pac took the top spot, and that's a fact. Pac was p4p #1, and Floyd was not.

Floyd could easily have lost a fight if he didn't take his little retirement. He made the decision that was best for him.

[PH|LLA]

but he didn't/wouldn't.:lol:
didn't, wouldn't, and couldn't

[PH|LLA]

No he wouldn't have. Floyd would have taken on 2 more top notch challenges and remained p4p the best. Instead he retired, now he back people are split as to who the true p4p number 1, which is why this fight is so highly anticipated.

When it's all said and done the winner will settle this argument once and for all and only the losers nuthuggers fans will still argue for their man to be considered the best.
History is littered with great small boxers fighting above their best weightclass and losing to less great, bigger fighters.

[BENNY BLANCO]

I just realized that's not Bladerunner.

[davebenoit]

Oh I read it.

And it's simple. Cheer a fighter....fine. Overrate a fighter, fine. Just realize it's a public forum and people will disagree. Respectfully disagree and move on or debate in a cordial manner.

Saying others are haters for not agreeing with you, now you have pissed off the forum. Insulting others who don't agree with you right out of the shoot will also get people riled up.

Bashing other fighters in the process saying they haven't done as much based on some irrational standard? Or that Pacman is greater than them despite tons of evidence to the contrary? You deserve to get crapped on.

Antagonizing an entire race (mexicans) by calling Pacman the mexicutioner? Did you think that they were just going to say it's all good?

And lastly, constantly making up excuses when he loses....that gets fans of EVERY fighter bashed.The bottom line is Pac keeps on winning. Beating fighters bigger than him. He's really one of kind. He's proven many boxing pundits wrong time and time again.

[PH|LLA]

I don't want to hear the excuse as to why he lost. If he was past it? Ok
:patsch

an excuse is an excuse. You can't pick and choose which ones are OK and which ones aren't.

If you say Morales was past his best when he was knocked out in 3 rounds, you can't just brush aside the fact that Pac was still super bantamweight when Morales moved up to 130. You can't say "it doesn't matter that Pac was moving up to featherweight when he lost a close decision to Morales" and "it doesn't matter that a gash above his eye caused by a headbutt was impairing his vision"

[davebenoit]

Funny how pac will lose his p4p ranking as soon as he loses to mayweather. Yet Pac only got his number 1 p4p ranking when mayweather retired.

History will look at this fact and will not dare place pac ahead of floyd on the p4p ATG list.Not Pac's fault if Floyd retired. Having beaten fighters convincingly than floyd did while Floyd avoided elite fighters in his division, it's inevitable that Pac will clinch the #1 P4P.

[Bladegunner]

Not Pac's fault if Floyd retired. Having beaten fighters convincingly than floyd did while Floyd avoided elite fighters in his division, it's inevitable that Pac will clinch the #1 P4P.

Judging by your criteria i guess mayweather beat marquez much more convincingly than pac ever did?

Oh wait you gonna say Pac fought Marquez at his proper weightclass.

If that's the case then floyd fought oscar at his proper weightclass.

Floyd also beat ricky hatton when he was undefeated, you know what beating an undefeated boxer does to that boxers mindset? Just look at Lacy and Cotto and you will have your answer.

[Totomabs]

You should say that to Philla, because he says pac WOULD have taken top spot anyway.


Bullshit.


you didn't get it.:lol:

floyd would have taken two more top notch opponents that time but decided to retire instead. his "bullshit" retirement took a toll on the depth of his resume and further raised questions on the solidness of his legacy and where he might be at in terms of greatness.

so in hindsight, floyd shouldn't have retired and instead fought the two top notch opponents that according to you he should have faced. that way, he would have been able to solidly cement his legacy with conviction and build a great resume that would seal his place up there with the elite atgs. floyd was the numero uno guy back then and there was a huge clamor for him to showcase further his greatness. he failed to capitalize on it.

he let his guard down and allowed pac to set unprecedented records, build an ultra deep resume and etch a far greater legacy. Funny how these dramatically unfolded within the 2 years that floyd have wasted on his "bullshit" retirement.:lol:

this reminded me of a book i have once read, "And The Other Guy Blinked"...;)

[Totomabs]

I just realized that's not Bladerunner.


:lol:

[PBFred]

He beats Mayweather and i'll have no problem with top-10 ATG.

[Bladegunner]

you didn't get it.:lol:

floyd would have taken two more top notch opponents that time but decided to retire instead. his "bullshit" retirement took a toll on the depth of his resume and further raised questions on the solidness of his legacy and where he might be at in terms of greatness.

so in hindsight, floyd shouldn't have retired and instead fought the two top notch opponents that according to you he should have faced. that way, he would have been able to solidly cement his legacy with conviction and build a great resume that would seal his place up there with the elite atgs. floyd was the numero uno guy back then and there was a huge clamor for him to showcase further his greatness. he failed to capitalize on it.

he let his guard down and allowed pac to set unprecedented records, build an ultra deep resume and etch a far greater legacy. Funny how these dramatically unfolded within the 2 years that floyd have wasted on his "bullshit" retirement.:lol:

this reminded me of a book i have once read, "And The Other Guy Blinked"...;)


Get pac's cock out your mouth. Suck titties not dicks.

[Toontoon]

History is littered with great small boxers fighting above their best weightclass and losing to less great, bigger fighters.

I see the excuses for a Pacquiao loss are getting in already.

I don't think there is much between either of them btw, Mayweather's resume is always played down where as Pacquiao's is overhyped, if Mayweather does beat Pacquiao then without doubt he will move ahead of him for me.

[kobefan]

Judging by your criteria i guess mayweather beat marquez much more convincingly than pac ever did?

Oh wait you gonna say Pac fought Marquez at his proper weightclass.

If that's the case then floyd fought oscar at his proper weightclass.

Floyd also beat ricky hatton when he was undefeated, you know what beating an undefeated boxer does to that boxers mindset? Just look at Lacy and Cotto and you will have your answer.

dude,

you failed to realize that the version that pbf beat is the version of jmm which NEVER fought over 135lbs. DID YOU REALIZED THAT JMM JUMPED TWO WEIGHT CLASSES in order to fight PBF and PBF fought two lbs over the agreed weight?! Did pbf tried to shed those 2 lbs. Hell no!

It's like a boxing fan being proud of beating pac at 160lbs:rofl:lol:

Hatton ALSO NEVER fought over 140lbs. 147 is the turf of pbf and this the wieght they fought!

To straighten the facts Hatton was undefeated at 140 BUT he NEVER fought at 147. His turf is at 140lbs. Guess where PAC beat Hatton??!! On his very own turf and comfort zone at 140lbs!

Pac beat Hatton in 2 rounds, PBF needed 8 or 9 rounds and needed the ring post to beat Hatton. Now in all honesty which do you think is more impressive?!:rasta:hi::hi:

[PH|LLA]

I see the excuses for a Pacquiao loss are getting in already.

I don't think there is much between either of them btw, Mayweather's resume is always played down where as Pacquiao's is overhyped, if Mayweather does beat Pacquiao then without doubt he will move ahead of him for me.
Its an analysis. I'm not gonna make a pick blindly, I recognize what each fighter's advantages and disadvantages are and I have to take that into consideration. I think its pretty much a 50/50 fight at 147, maybe even edge to Floyd, and even then I feel like I'm reaching.

Pound for pound, Pac is a superior fighter. But its hard to see how Pac will impose this style against someone with the defense of Floyd who can be always on the backfoot and to top it off who is heavier and stronger than him. If he can do it, then he's an obvious lock for top10 ATG. A top20 ATG would probably not be able to do it even to a top40.

Pacquiao's resume is always played down and Mayweather's is overhyped.

[Bladegunner]

dude,

you failed to realize that the version that pbf beat is the version of jmm which NEVER fought over 135lbs. DID YOU REALIZED THAT JMM JUMPED TWO WEIGHT CLASSES in order to fight PBF and PBF fought two lbs over the agreed weight?! Did pbf tried to shed those 2 lbs. Hell no!

It's like a boxing fan being proud of beating pac at 160lbs:rofl:lol:

Hatton ALSO NEVER fought over 140lbs. 147 is the turf of pbf and this the wieght they fought!

To straighten the facts Hatton was undefeated at 140 BUT he NEVER fought at 147. His turf is at 140lbs. Guess where PAC beat Hatton??!! On his very own turf and comfort zone at 140lbs!

Pac beat Hatton in 2 rounds, PBF needed 8 or 9 rounds and needed the ring post to beat Hatton. Now in all honesty which do you think is more impressive?!:rasta:hi::hi:

1. Go easy on the emotions.

2. Hatton won a bullshit WBA title at 147 against callazo. So what are you talking about?

[Totomabs]

Get pac's cock out your mouth. Suck titties not dicks.

that won't work, retard.:nono

and you're not a certified floyd cockgobbler, eh?

may the fcuk be with you stupid floydiot!:good

and next time, try to be a little more original. can't come up with a better alt i guess, you dummy.:lol:

[Totomabs]

1. Go easy on the emotions.

2. Hatton won a bullshit WBA title at 147 against callazo. So what are you talking about?


see how stupid and idiot you are. :patsch

dummy can't even spell emoticons right..:lol:

[Bladegunner]

see how stupid and idiot you are. :patsch

dummy can't even spell emoticons right..:lol:

Only nerds will call it emoticons.

I will stick with just emotions thank you very much.

Oh and go easy on the emotions.

[Totomabs]

Only nerds will call it emoticons.

I will stick with just emotions thank you very much.

Oh and go easy on the emotions.


ahh just stfu and continue licking floydie's balls.

no one's stopping you.

go on now.:lol:

[Totomabs]

Its an analysis. I'm not gonna make a pick blindly, I recognize what each fighter's advantages and disadvantages are and I have to take that into consideration. I think its pretty much a 50/50 fight at 147, maybe even edge to Floyd, and even then I feel like I'm reaching.

Pound for pound, Pac is a superior fighter. But its hard to see how Pac will impose this style against someone with the defense of Floyd who can be always on the backfoot and to top it off who is heavier and stronger than him. If he can do it, then he's an obvious lock for top10 ATG. A top20 ATG would probably not be able to do it even to a top40.

Pacquiao's resume is always played down and Mayweather's is overhyped.


:good

[Bladegunner]

ahh just stfu and continue licking floydie's balls.

no one's stopping you.

go on now.:lol:

In the space of a year you've moved up from spit shining pac's shoes to spit shining his dick. Keep up the good work my boy, but try not to get a mouth ulcer.

Oh and easy on the emotions.

[Kush]

Balcq is a top 5 atg cheat

[sdsfinest22]

Pactards are trippin ..atg 10 cmon now...the ts should be banned

[boni1980]

Balcq is a top 5 atg cheat

kush is a top 5 atg troll

[Toontoon]

Its an analysis. I'm not gonna make a pick blindly, I recognize what each fighter's advantages and disadvantages are and I have to take that into consideration. I think its pretty much a 50/50 fight at 147, maybe even edge to Floyd, and even then I feel like I'm reaching.

Pound for pound, Pac is a superior fighter. But its hard to see how Pac will impose this style against someone with the defense of Floyd who can be always on the backfoot and to top it off who is heavier and stronger than him. If he can do it, then he's an obvious lock for top10 ATG. A top20 ATG would probably not be able to do it even to a top40.

Pacquiao's resume is always played down and Mayweather's is overhyped.

You see I just don't buy the pound for pound talk and the effort put in to push Pacquiao as the smaller man, the same way as I don't discredit his wins at Superfeatherweight when he was outweighing his opponents on fightnight.

The difference between the two is that Pacquiao was prepared to drain right down to fight in the lowest weightclass possible where as Mayweather wasn't, even if you look at his last fight with Marquez at 130 he came in on fight night at 144, now compare that with Mayweather who when he fought Judah at 147 he came in on fight night at 146, 2lbs in weight yet he's fighting in 3 weightclasses higher.

So I don't give Pacquiao extra credit for fighting above 140 the same as I don't give Paul Williams credit for fighting above 147 which he claims he can still make.

As for resume, I don't think there is all that much in it at all but I do agree that Pacquiao's is better at the moment, but then I don't focus too much on big names and prefer to focus on the ability of the opponents at the time.

For example I rate Mayweather's victories over Castillo up there with Pacquiao's victories over Morales, even though he won't go down as an ATG like Morales he was still the best lightweight of the past decade and went on to get in to the top 10 P4P list, where as Morales wasn't at his peak and was on the way down, that's not discrediting Pacquiao's victory btw it's just a fact.

The same as I rate Corrales a better boxer than the Barrera Pacquiao beat in the rematch, then you go on from there and say there isn't much between Cotto and Mosley at the time, same goes for Judah and Clottey.

Then you move on to Hatton and De La Hoya, I don't think there's any doubt that Mayweather beat a better version of De La Hoya at his natural weight the same way Pacquiao beat a better version of Marquez at his natural weight, Hatton is debatable as Mayweather was the first to KO him him where as Pacquiao was the first to beat him at his natural weight, even if he did look chinny by then.

There's other opponents I've missed out but these I think are the main victories.

The one thing that does push Pacquiao in front resume wise for me is that first Barrera victory, which was a great great win against someone of that calibre at their peak and it's something Mayweather doesn't have on his resume currently, however if he does beat Pacquiao who is without doubt better now than Barrera has ever been and on a different level entirely, then Mayweather will have a better win than anyone Pacquiao has beat and for me that will be enough to push past him.

All in my opinion of course.

[Marcelo]

this thread was made when the Pacdbest-johnco-domngo trio was still terrorizing the mexiland that was ESb general forum lol
That was the Greatest Era of ESB where the Legends Debate. ESB now are filled of Floydiots. In the old days Pacd and Company go against the odds. Pacd especially was alone in some of his predictions with very few cheerleaders. I dont understand why a Genius like him was banned while almost half here in eSB posting like idiots?

[Totomabs]

In the space of a year you've moved up from spit shining pac's shoes to spit shining his dick. Keep up the good work my boy, but try not to get a mouth ulcer.

Oh and easy on the emotions.


you look so damn pathetic with your cheapshot responses, lol!

and look who's talkin now, a certified floydiot who's main agenda is to hate on pac, his fans and jack off in between breaks, to floyd's glossy pics pasted all over your room, lol!

and next time, try jacking off to ellerbe's video mashing floyd's sweaty chest for a change!!! :rofl

[Totomabs]

Balcq is a top 5 atg cheat


guys, we have a runner here..

oh and it's not floyd.:lol:

[Bystander]

you look so damn pathetic with your cheapshot responses, lol!

and look who's talkin now, a certified floydiot who's main agenda is to hate on pac, his fans and jack off in between breaks, to floyd's glossy pics pasted all over your room, lol!

and next time, try jacking off to ellerbe's video mashing floyd's sweaty chest for a change!!! :rofl


i guess this alt's name says it all. bladegunner, lol! so original.:nut

this idiot alt should have named it "cheapshot" instead. would've sounded more appropriate and original. dude stalks too much. i guess admiring the pac fan in blade runner is not enough these days.:lol:

oh and by the way, STFU NOOB!:rofl

and i'm also easy on the "emotions". i only posted 3...

[Marcelo]

I bet this thread gets a record breaking number of views in a matter of minutes. Simply because I have written a very interesting (or as fellow ESB members say: nuthugging) title. It's a trend/phenomenon that has been going on here at ESB.


It seems as though no topic about Pac was spared and he plus his fans gets bashed all over the place.


WHAT GIVES?


You check out any boxing forum and you can find ever faithful fans. Pac fans are no different. They may not be always rational, simply because they let their emotions and passions flow freely. What makes Pac fans different from Klitschko fans? Mayweather fans? Calzaghe fans? What?


It seems it has been a habit forming experience to match Pac up with an established (usually, a naturally bigger)ATG which is really a pointless exercise. It all seems like these mythical match-ups are like relief valves to reduce frustration of Pac beating up mexican boxers one by one. Why not put up a thread matching him with Pipino Cuevas for pete's sake. Worst of all, doesn't some guys like pole's, or spanish talk in their languages in this forums even if it's really unnecessary? Then why type "rgiwghu hfuewh hfiehwfio" or add some other bullshit on Filipino language that you don't understand?


Not all Filipino are as good a boxing expert. They may be overhyping Pac, or whatever you dislike of them. But don't they make this forum more lively with their passionate cheering? Doesn't "the more, the merrier" count anymore?


Just asking.

lets bump!! after Pac beat the shit of margarito,, shane is next!!

[Marcelo]

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???

bump again!! floyd stop hiding!!

[Marcelo]

Not sure. If he did what PacD laid out for him, he would be top 10.

But getting all those fights is going to be harder than even winning them. And analyzing Pacman's style and his ability, I think 135 will be too much.

Unifying 130 will get him into the top 40 or so, but not top 20. Look at the guys outside the top 20 and what they did and you'll see why.

For you ESB's second lives Or ESB new members., This KGO208 was considered Boxing expert then! He's a Pac doubter! And he hates Pacdbest, the ESB Nostradamus too much!

But he laid it here! Pacd laid DLH, Hatton, & Floyd for Pac to beat. Floyd 's ducking! BUt Pac never stops. He added Margarito & Clottey & Cotto. And Now Mosley's is next! That's way more than What Pacd laid out! Nothing we can do if Floyd's coward but Pac's done more than what the ESB's Pac greatest nuthuggers imaginations!.

This is the response to those who said SRL has accomplished more than Pac. Pac has accomplished more than any of your imaginations! He's Greater than SRL! It's not even close!

[Marcelo]

Now you're getting my Drift KG. You just think it's impossible. Not me, I believe Pac can do it. You know why?? Because Pac's is Blowing the competition right now at 130. He's improving everyfight & just entering his Prime. Floyd's Prime is Probably at 130 where he's dominating & Knocking most of his opponent. Since then he's struggled with Castillo at 135. Pick his opponent at 140-147 & he's not impressive lately. Floyd's on the way down while Pac's entering his Prime. Pac carry's his Power & Speed and learning new skills, Floyd left his Power at 130 all he has now are speed & Skills. The time this fight could be made, Floyd also will be entering Father time & probably lose some of his Speed. Pac is a rare Breed that comes once in every 50 years. When was the last time we have something like him???


From Nostradamus himself!!

[pejevan]

That was the Greatest Era of ESB where the Legends Debate. ESB now are filled of Floydiots. In the old days Pacd and Company go against the odds. Pacd especially was alone in some of his predictions with very few cheerleaders. I dont understand why a Genius like him was banned while almost half here in eSB posting like idiots?

Because the moderators are flomos too.

[Huberth]

sanchez (rip) is the dirtiest boxer i've ever seen, pac was ko'd by body shot when he's
weight drained

[gerry]

yeah. some are just quick to say "no" without reading or comprehending what actually you want to put across. :lol:

expected!:good

[Marcelo]

[quote=pejevan;8687755]Because the moderators are flomos too.[/quote

That's what I thought!!

[hennyguzzla]

F#%k outta here!

[JoeCamelTow]

Pac's great but all things considered, NO top-10 ATG.

[RealBoxing]

NO!





:deal

[Xerant]

No... wonder where he would be if he had not drain every fighter he fights

[RealBoxing]

No... wonder where he would be if he had not drain every fighter he fights



:deal

[garfios]

He is joking, wait until the peds proof comes out.