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Unforgiven
08-13-2009, 07:06 AM
How would a prime Tyson do ?

I'll leave off Liston because I think it's inconceivable that Sonny could ever underestimate a young Mike Tyson like he did Cassius Clay, so I cannot imagine that Feb.1964 version of Liston ever stepping in the ring with Tyson. And the Liston of the Ali fight (Lewiston, Me. 1965) is another whole can of worms.

So, I will say

Tyson KO1 Patterson
Tyson TKO5 Chuvalo
Tyson KO1 Cooper
Tyson KO1 London
Tyson KO1 Mildenberger
Tyson KO1 Williams
Tyson PTS Terrell
Tyson KO1 Folley
Muchmoore
08-13-2009, 04:18 PM
Ali's title opposition was decent pre exile (Terrell, Patterson were very good) but I'd expect Tyson along with pretty much every other ATG HW to have their way with this crew.

Terrell could trouble a lot of fighters who are ranked highly, though.
cross_trainer
08-13-2009, 04:22 PM
Which corner is Cus D'Amato in for the Patterson fight? Or are there two clones staring at each other from across the ring?
Unforgiven
08-13-2009, 04:40 PM
Which corner is Cus D'Amato in for the Patterson fight? Or are there two clones staring at each other from across the ring?

He's in Patterson's if he was still there in 1965 (was he?).
He's not in Tyson's.
cross_trainer
08-13-2009, 04:42 PM
He's in Patterson's if he was still there in 1965 (was he?).
He's not in Tyson's.

In that case, Tyson breaks down crying when he sees his dead mentor helping his opponent, and the fight is ruled a no contest.
PowerPuncher
08-13-2009, 04:49 PM
In that case, Tyson breaks down crying when he sees his dead mentor helping his opponent, and the fight is ruled a no contest.

:lol:
Bokaj
08-13-2009, 04:50 PM
How would a prime Tyson do ?

I'll leave off Liston because I think it's inconceivable that Sonny could ever underestimate a young Mike Tyson like he did Cassius Clay, so I cannot imagine that Feb.1964 version of Liston ever stepping in the ring with Tyson. And the Liston of the Ali fight (Lewiston, Me. 1965) is another whole can of worms.

So, I will say

Tyson KO1 Patterson
Tyson TKO5 Chuvalo
Tyson KO1 Cooper
Tyson KO1 London
Tyson KO1 Mildenberger
Tyson KO1 Williams
Tyson PTS Terrell
Tyson KO1 Folley

This seems about right. The only opponent of Ali in the 60's that would have a chance against Tyson is Liston. That would be interesting.
ChrisPontius
08-13-2009, 04:59 PM
So, I will say

Tyson KO1 Patterson
Tyson TKO5 Chuvalo
Tyson KO1 Cooper
Tyson KO1 London
Tyson KO1 Mildenberger
Tyson KO1 Williams
Tyson PTS Terrell
Tyson KO1 Folley

Most likely like that, though i think a few would at least make it out of the first round. Mildenberger, for instance, could trouble Mike for a few rounds. Did Tyson ever fought a southpaw?

Conversely, i think Tyson breaks down Terrel to a 8-12th round stoppage.
Muchmoore
08-13-2009, 05:49 PM
Most likely like that, though i think a few would at least make it out of the first round. Mildenberger, for instance, could trouble Mike for a few rounds. Did Tyson ever fought a southpaw?

Conversely, i think Tyson breaks down Terrel to a 8-12th round stoppage.

Gotta disagree with Tyson stopping Terrell. Terrell clinched excessively in many of his fights in which he wasn't even in trouble, this fight would be a replay of Tysons fight Smith/Tucker here. Terrell, knowing he's in danger, would clinch and clinch and clinch some more.

PS, I've never thought of Tyson never facing a southpaw. I don't think he ever did?
janitor
08-13-2009, 06:02 PM
It all dpends when Tyson looses focus.

When he looses focus he is on borrowed time.
teeto
08-13-2009, 06:29 PM
In that case, Tyson breaks down crying when he sees his dead mentor helping his opponent, and the fight is ruled a no contest.
Haha, you fuckin sicko. Haha.
ripcity
08-13-2009, 09:26 PM
Which corner is Cus D'Amato in for the Patterson fight? Or are there two clones staring at each other from across the ring?

Cus D'Amato would be in Patterson's corrner. Kiven Roony was Tyson's trainer in his prime after the passing of D'Amato.
junior-soprano
08-14-2009, 08:12 AM
well i think tyson beats them all easily. except liston from whom he would loose. and mike would have trouble with patterson. he would get him in the end but it would be tough. cause i think floyd would be at least just as fast as mike maybe even faster and that would frustrate mike a lot and a frustrated mike wouldn't think clearly anymore. but floyd his weak point was his chin. so in the later rounds mike would get him.
mr. magoo
08-14-2009, 08:54 AM
It all dpends when Tyson looses focus.

When he looses focus he is on borrowed time.

If he can maintain focus from 1964 to 1967, then I'd say he does fine, because 3 years was about the duration of his peak. Additionally, he may do okay even after things go sour. He was still a force in the 90's as we saw against Ruddock, Stewart, Bruno, Golata and a few others. The only fighter that I'd pick to beat Tyson in the 60's is Ali, and while it should be an obvious pick, its still not a given.
mr. magoo
08-14-2009, 08:55 AM
Which corner is Cus D'Amato in for the Patterson fight? Or are there two clones staring at each other from across the ring?

Patterson would have Cus. Tyson would have the protege Rooney. Tyson beats Floyd early.
Flea Man
08-14-2009, 08:58 AM
In that case, Tyson breaks down crying when he sees his dead mentor helping his opponent, and the fight is ruled a no contest.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Unforgiven
08-14-2009, 01:19 PM
In that case, Tyson breaks down crying when he sees his dead mentor helping his opponent, and the fight is ruled a no contest.

But are you sure Cus D'amato was in Patterson's corner for the Ali fight in 1965 ?
Watching the fight I dont recognize him among Floyd's cornermen.
Unforgiven
08-14-2009, 01:24 PM
Most likely like that, though i think a few would at least make it out of the first round. Mildenberger, for instance, could trouble Mike for a few rounds. Did Tyson ever fought a southpaw?



Yeah, I considered that some of those 1st round candidates would make it into the 2nd or perhaps beyond, and considered Mildenberger as a candidate. But if I was oddsmaking on the fight I'd make the 1st more likely than any other single round.


Conversely, i think Tyson breaks down Terrel to a 8-12th round stoppage


I think Terrell would clinch his way to the final bell.
cross_trainer
08-14-2009, 01:56 PM
But are you sure Cus D'amato was in Patterson's corner for the Ali fight in 1965 ?
Watching the fight I dont recognize him among Floyd's cornermen.

In that case, young '65 Cus D'Amato resorts to psychological warfare. He sends Tyson a nasty letter where he tells him he's a horrible fighter and a great disappointment.

Tyson refuses to come out for the first round.