View Full Version : Hendo speaks on Silva at UFC 101
Polymath
08-13-2009, 02:29 PM
'I'm gonna beat him up.' :yep
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Hendo has learned from his mistakes, he's going 'fight' next time; no 'striking' from the outside; rushing, overhand rights, clinches, slams and elbows.
Henderson TKO Silva :good
Grievesy
08-13-2009, 03:02 PM
His only mistake last time was taking the fight.:deal
BewareofDawg
08-13-2009, 03:07 PM
He can't last 5 rounds without getting caught in a sub or KO'd.
Polymath
08-13-2009, 03:16 PM
His only mistake last time was taking the fight.:deal
:verysad
The_Sandman
08-13-2009, 04:36 PM
Henderson DID fight last time and he lost.... He won the first round, and was able to take Silva down and give him some problems.... Still, in the end, Henderson lost. If the re-match happens, Silva will win the match faster than the first.
Polymath
08-13-2009, 05:56 PM
His only mistake last time was taking the fight.:deal
He can't last 5 rounds without getting caught in a sub or KO'd.
Henderson DID fight last time and he lost.... He won the first round, and was able to take Silva down and give him some problems.... Still, in the end, Henderson lost. If the re-match happens, Silva will win the match faster than the first.
You'de all be banned if it was up to me. :bart
radab
08-13-2009, 06:20 PM
His only mistake last time was taking the fight.:deal
Word :deal
Dantes
08-13-2009, 06:38 PM
Hendo's awesome but I really think Silva's got his number. He never really 'dominated' Silva in the first round of their fight- it was more like he was holding off or suppressing Silva's attack. It didn't take long for Silva to adjust and overwhelm Hendo.
I hate to say it but Silva will probably do it quicker this time...:!:
bachatu
08-13-2009, 06:45 PM
Hendo's awesome but I really think Silva's got his number. He never really 'dominated' Silva in the first round of their fight- it was more like he was holding off or suppressing Silva's attack. It didn't take long for Silva to adjust and overwhelm Hendo.
I hate to say it but Silva will probably do it quicker this time...:!:
Right on. In the second round, once Silva got into this rhythm it was only a matter of time. No way in hell could Henderson stand and strike with Silva, his only chance will be the ground game, but just as Henderson learned from the first fight, so did Silva, I don't think he would let Hendo take him down again.
SouthpawSlayer
08-13-2009, 07:02 PM
this fight does absolutely nothing for me and should not happen
codeman99998
08-13-2009, 09:05 PM
this fight does absolutely nothing for me and should not happen
Henderson is the most legitimate challenger at 185 most likely, is coming off a huge win, and deserves the shot. More importantly, he WANTS to fight Anderson at 185 which is something I'm not sure a lot of people are interested in.
BoxingFanNo1
08-13-2009, 09:07 PM
His only mistake last time was taking the fight.:deal
Correct.
Silva will fuck him up again.
Beebs
08-13-2009, 09:31 PM
You'de all be banned if it was up to me. :bart
I'm a huge hendo fan too, but what specifically do you think he did wrong that fight.
He did remarkably well the first round, but that is only 20% of a fight; Silva is also often a slow starter in championship fights.
I think if it were a 3 round fight I would think Hendo's chances go way up; I think his best chance to stop the fight is that big right hand, which is going to be a very limited possibility.
I think he could do well, if like he is implying, he fights like did with Vitor and Wandy; wrestling, grinding the opponent down, doing damage from the top. With Anderson though, his guard is very good, although Hendo might be able to do enough damage to change or end the fight, but he is also at risk of Silva sweeping or subbing him, or catching him in a scramble with a KO or even sub.
Basically I think Hendo can win rounds, but his main chance of ending the fight is low percentage and it takes him away from what he needs to do to win rounds. So hopefully he limits throwing that big right hand as a strategy to get the takedown. Silva just has so many ways to end the fight; if Hendo does nothing but swing he is almost certainly going to catch the sharp edge of Silvas best stuff and get stopped. The better chance is Hendo wrestling, but then he lowers his chances of ending the fight, so he has to possibly go 25 min and not get caught, it's a good chance, but not as good as Silva's.
thejokerswild
08-13-2009, 09:42 PM
I think Silvas almost at that level where his confidence and talent is so great that he can't be beat by anyone other than himself.
chimba
08-13-2009, 11:06 PM
Hendo will be Bisping'd in this fight
jimmie
08-13-2009, 11:17 PM
Hendo will be Bisping'd in this fight
Noboddy will ever lay out Henderson.
chimba
08-13-2009, 11:21 PM
Noboddy will ever lay out Henderson.
With Silva, the possibilities are endless.
Kestrel
08-14-2009, 12:04 AM
I would love to see a rematch Silva vs Hendo. I think Hendo has a decent chance at pulling a upset.
J_Roth
08-14-2009, 12:12 AM
With Silva, the possibilities are endless.Hendo's chin is made out of material they have not identified yet. He will not be laid out. If anything the ref might stop it but he will not be laid out.
Polymath
08-14-2009, 02:48 AM
No way in hell could Henderson stand and strike with Silva
tru dat
his only chance will be the ground game
Thats not true. If he stands on the outside and kickboxes he'll lose. If he gets inside as they would say in boxing, and fights, and exploits his superior chin and power, he has a very good chance.
but just as Henderson learned from the first fight, so did Silva, I don't think he would let Hendo take him down again.
It's not a computer game, it doesn't work like that. Do you think Silva let him take him down in the first fight? Taking somebody down and being able to stop a takedown is a skillset thing, not a tactics thing. Hendo's decision to fight the wrong fight is a tactical error of judgement that is easy to fix, in contrast with Silva, who will never in a million years be able to outwrestle Dan Henderson, it just isn't happening.
Polymath
08-14-2009, 03:19 AM
I'm a huge hendo fan too, but what specifically do you think he did wrong that fight.
He did remarkably well the first round, but that is only 20% of a fight; Silva is also often a slow starter in championship fights.
I think if it were a 3 round fight I would think Hendo's chances go way up; I think his best chance to stop the fight is that big right hand, which is going to be a very limited possibility.
Henderson looked gassed against Franklin. Given that he's close to 40 its not a bad call to say hes just slowing down a lot, but really, I think he just sees guys like Franklin and Bisping as a lower caliber of fighter, and after all he's done, its hard for him to get motivated for them. Thats why I was nervous about a Franklin rematch; I think he'd probably lose it.
The Palhares match, even though hes obviously a totally different style, was a pretty good warm up match for a Silva rematch; he was a dangerous guy who made Dan fight a smart fight and realize he can't just overwhelm everyone all the time now, especially at his age.
Anyway, who says Hendo can't win a gruelling attritional fight, he has a better style for it than Silva, if he focuses on wrestling. And its a style that ages well, Couture is using it aged 70.
Silva just has so many ways to end the fightThis is another glaring error that most people make looking at these two imo; Silva technically submitted Dan of course, but nobody would ever claim he could do it like one of the Nogs or in a grappling match. Silva subbed someone who was badly hurt from strikes. Its not the same thing. Silvas groundgame really is about as overrated as it gets. It is in mma; I've never heard any grappling peole say Silva is some sort of wizard on the ground.
Silva presents zero threat to Hendo on the ground imo. He can stall well though and has a decent guard. Not offensive against a guy with Hendos posture strength though.
So overall, I think Hendo has the perfect style to beat him; takes his clinch game away completely, can fight in close standing and should dominate the ground. And also I think, while one of the best ever, SIlva isn;t quite as good as people think he is, and Hendo is better, again despite being an accepted atg. I'm also giving Henderson a pass on some of his recent performances which were not up to his prime standard. Maybe he was lacking motivation and carrying injuries and stuff, but theres a chance I'm being an overoptimistic fan I guess.
ps, prime Hendo beats Silva 10 out of 10 in a ring :good
scurlaruntings
08-14-2009, 04:03 AM
With Silva, the possibilities are endless.Lets not to carried away. Hendo is NOT getting KO'ed. Ok a TKO is in the realms of possibility but unlikely. That man has a chin of iron. Im expecting the match to go the same way as the first. Hendo is an awesome fighter but the dimension he has isnt enough to beat a guy like Silva who is great on his feet and very competent from guard.
achillesthegreat
08-14-2009, 09:40 AM
If Silva comes back down to 185 then he has to fight Hendo. He is a great fighter and another win over Hendo means something.
BewareofDawg
08-14-2009, 10:07 AM
Lets not to carried away. Hendo is NOT getting KO'ed. Ok a TKO is in the realms of possibility but unlikely. That man has a chin of iron. Im expecting the match to go the same way as the first. Hendo is an awesome fighter but the dimension he has isnt enough to beat a guy like Silva who is great on his feet and very competent from guard.
Silva stunned and almost TKO'd him last fight, there is no doubt in my mind that if the fight stays standing, Hendo will get KO'd and stopped by Silva. Doesn't matter how hard your chin is, Silvas punches, knees and elbows are so sharp, accurate and powerful and quick that it's just a matter of time before your iron chin is cracked like an egg.
achillesthegreat
08-14-2009, 03:15 PM
Silva stunned and almost TKO'd him last fight, there is no doubt in my mind that if the fight stays standing, Hendo will get KO'd and stopped by Silva. Doesn't matter how hard your chin is, Silvas punches, knees and elbows are so sharp, accurate and powerful and quick that it's just a matter of time before your iron chin is cracked like an egg.
I have a bad feeling this could be very true.
chimba
08-14-2009, 11:24 PM
Guys, Silva can KO Hendo. Just wait and see..only thing that will prevent that is if the Ref stops the fight.
You guys seem to forget that Leben has also one of the hardest chins in the "history" of MMA
bachatu
08-15-2009, 02:36 AM
Guys, Silva can KO Hendo. Just wait and see..only thing that will prevent that is if the Ref stops the fight.
You guys seem to forget that Leben has also one of the hardest chins in the "history" of MMA
agreed. most guys can be knocked out with the right punch, especially with the gloves used in mma. Not to mention, with the type of accuracy Silva has, it is more than possible. Silva had hendo hurt in the second round and hendo fell to avoid further punishment...thats what led to the sub.
Kestrel
08-15-2009, 02:54 AM
Silva's camp seems uninterested in Hendo's rematch citing Hendo doesn't deserve it. I will lose respect to Silva if he doesn't give Hendo a rematch. This rematch needs to happen.
Bill Butcher
08-15-2009, 06:06 AM
He can't last 5 rounds without getting caught in a sub or KO'd.
Exactly.
Silva will win again IMO.
Bill Butcher
08-15-2009, 06:08 AM
this fight does absolutely nothing for me and should not happen
Really ? :huh
2 elites going at it... one hungry for revenge... one regarded by most as the best or 2nd best fighter in MMA.
I`ll certainly be tuning in.
Bill Butcher
08-15-2009, 06:13 AM
Noboddy will ever lay out Henderson.
Everyone can be KOd.... EVERYONE.
Silva is the best striker in all of MMA, Hendo likes to engage recklessly, a stoppage will not suprise me one little bit unless its Hendo doing the stopping.
codeman99998
08-15-2009, 12:29 PM
Really ? :huh
2 elites going at it... one hungry for revenge... one regarded by most as the best or 2nd best fighter in MMA.
I`ll certainly be tuning in.
Not only that, but when you add in the fact that Henderson gave Silva more fight than anyone since Silva's been in the UFC it's an even more obvious choice.
LB3000
08-15-2009, 03:55 PM
Unless Anderson wants a long lay off, Hendo is one of the few realistic options they have. I know his manager said they would prefer Hendo fight the winner of Maia vs Nate to determine a true no 1 contender. But who else can he fight? It doesn't look like a fight vs GSP will happen for the time being and most the top 205 guys are already locked in fights. Randy has expressed interest in fighting Anderson and if he beats Nog I would be surprised if the UFC make the fight, maybe at catchweight.
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