Floyd Won't Lose To Anybody at 147!!!

[MacManJr.]

I'm tired of saying it in all these different threads ya'll start so I'll just say it here and be done with it. Put me on the record, quote me, or whatever you want I don't give a fuck! There is nobody and I do mean NOBODY at 147 that can or will beat Floyd Mayweather Jr at 147. If I am wrong (which I will not be) I will own up to it like the man that I am.

I feel much better now! :D :bbb

[Illmatic]

i think its highly improbable

[Quik]

Mosley, Cotto, Williams, possibly Cintron, yea, I think he CAN lose at 147.

Yea i mean saying nobody can beat PBF at 147 is ignorant. Theres so much talent in the division right now that anything can happen. Williams for example trow so many punches so he could give Floyd an hard time. Cintron can hurt him bad and so does Cotto. And Mosley i mean, how can you doubt of him... Maybe none of those will beat him but saying nobody can at this point is not fair.:smoke

[LogDog69]

Anyone can be beaten on any given day. I and many others think Castillo already proved that Floyd can be beaten.

[jonesjrp4p1]

williams and mosley i think could beat floyd still tough to say though

[brooklyn1550]

Anybody can lose with all of the great fighters at 147 - and that includes Floyd. Do I think he will lose in the near future? No, but Mosley, Williams, and Cotto are all legitamite and serious threats.

[MacManJr.]

I never said they are no threat. I honestly feel like they can't beat him though. What's wrong with that?

[brooklyn1550]

I never said they are no threat. I honestly feel like they can't beat him though. What's wrong with that?

Nothing

[Thread Stealer]

I would make Paul Williams a favorite over Floyd Mayweather.

I've always felt The Punisher would be a nightmare for Floyd stylistically.

[Jose FM]

I never said they are no threat. I honestly feel like they can't beat him though. What's wrong with that?
That its completely wrong.

[MacManJr.]

Nothin wrong with it...haters might have something to say..nothing wrong with thinking he'll beat everyone...heck hes p4p #1. I'm not a fan of PBF but you need to be honest, hes great in the ring.:good

Had he bean p4p#8 and you started this thread then you have a problemI love Floyd but I'm not completely illogical. I speak with my head more than my heart. Williams would be a stylistic nightmare I know but I just feel Floyd would find a way to get it done. He always has so far.

[mightyd40]

i think its highly improbable
probably the best way to put it

[Thread Stealer]

You would and you'd be far and few in between, Williams havent proven much ..yes he beat Margo but it wasnt a demolition by any stretch.

I felt Williams would be a style nightmare for Floyd before Paul beat Margarito.

The Margarito fight simply made my belief even stronger.

[jaycuban]

they will never agree on anything positive about mayweather.

[MacManJr.]

I think you need to get in PBFs head coz hes a bit fragile in that dept...If Williams whos very brash and can talk trash gets into PBFs head then I can see an interesting fight.That is very hard to do. No matter what Floyd does or says before the fight he will not deviate from his gameplan. His mental toughness inside the ring is 1 of his greatest strengths.

[Guru_Too_You]

I would make Paul Williams a favorite over Floyd Mayweather.

I've always felt The Punisher would be a nightmare for Floyd stylistically.

Been right there with you since the Matthyse bout.

:good

As a fan of PBF, Williams scares the shit out of me. They all wanted to hype Margarito, but everything Antonio does well, Paul does a little bit better.

And if it happens at 154, I'd favor Williams even more.

[MacManJr.]

Williams is an unknown commodity to Floyd, His length gives him that uncertainty. This is something his handlers arent as sure about as a matchup... In saying that he does adapt well in that ring and he is calm and collected under pressureI'm definitely not saying it would be a cakewalk for Floyd. Maybe a better question is how long can Williams continue to make 147? I'm 5'8 and haven't seen 147 since about 9th grade. :rofl How the fuck does he do it at his height?

[cuchulain]

I never said they are no threat. I honestly feel like they can't beat him though. What's wrong with that?

Anyone can lose on any given night, including Floyd.

(Tyson/Douglas, Lewis/Rahman, etc.)

However: I believe that Floyd could easily make 140 if he had to. And I would favour him over any current boxer at 140, 147 and 154.

[Relentless]

mosley can

[the_what]

We will never know unless he fights them.

[Fab2333]

Macman you cant say that. SOmetimes s**t does happen. I never thought Roy Jones could have lost to any LHW when he was boxing. But Tarver destroyed that dream for me. Granted it was past prime RJ but still and L is an L. I agree that whoever he foght I would pick Floyd 2 win. But sayin he cant lose is ludacris

[MacManJr.]

We will never know unless he fights them.If he doesn't fight the winner of Shane/Cotto I would lose some respect for him myself and I am a huge fan!!! He was my favorite when Roy was p4p #1. I see no reason why he won't fight them.

[Fab2333]

I'm definitely not saying it would be a cakewalk for Floyd. Maybe a better question is how long can Williams continue to make 147? I'm 5'8 and haven't seen 147 since about 9th grade. :rofl How the fuck does he do it at his height?
starvation, but then it also depends on peoples body type and the way peoples body respond to weight.

[MacManJr.]

Shoot at 154 Williams chances just improved...

I'm 5'9 and last time I was 147 was Senior in HS :rofl :rofl :rofl I did slimfast coz I was fat before that. 1 shake for breakfast, 1 for lunch, and a sensible dinner...:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl. Thats the lightest I've beenExactly but I don't think Floyd will go back to 154 unless he gets a rematch with Oscar. That's why I said how much longer can PW make 147. I won't even mention Winky even if he comes back down to 154. There is no way in hell Floyd could hurt Winky! Floyd doesn't need Winky for his legacy anyway though.

[bb251]

I'm tired of saying it in all these different threads ya'll start so I'll just say it here and be done with it. Put me on the record, quote me, or whatever you want I don't give a fuck! There is nobody and I do mean NOBODY at 147 that can or will beat Floyd Mayweather Jr at 147. If I am wrong (which I will not be) I will own up to it like the man that I am.

I feel much better now! :D :bbb

Nobody will beat him from 140-154 anytime soon...

[Relentless]

I'm definitely not saying it would be a cakewalk for Floyd. Maybe a better question is how long can Williams continue to make 147? I'm 5'8 and haven't seen 147 since about 9th grade. :rofl How the fuck does he do it at his height?

same way corrales stayed at lightweight.

[MacManJr.]

same way corrales stayed at lightweight.A whole lot of NOT eating then.

[Fab2333]

A whole lot of NOT eating then.

thats meagan good in your avatar or no?

[MacManJr.]

thats meagan good in your avatar or no?Yes indeed the 1 and only. I'll suck the skin off her bottom lip. :D

[Fab2333]

Yes indeed the 1 and only. I'll suck the skin off her bottom lip. :D

I HEAR THAT LOL. Nice choice for ya avatar I must say.

[MacManJr.]

I HEAR THAT LOL. Nice choice for ya avatar I must say.I'm trying to make a statement. I see you keep yours on point.

[MacManJr.]

That's what I'd do. :oops:Oh I would get to that set of lips too!:good

[Fab2333]

Yes indeed the 1 and only. I'll suck the skin off her bottom lip. :D
I would do more than that:yep

[Fab2333]

I'm trying to make a statement. I see you keep yours on point.

you know it. G2 keep it on point 4 all the homey on esb

[41fever]

Floyd is great, but the bigger boys @47 pose a serious threat to his undefeated* status.

*The first Castillo fight he really lost.

[Fab2333]

Floyd is great, but the bigger boys @47 pose a serious threat to his undefeated* status.

*The first Castillo fight he really lost.

no he didnt man, cant remember what I scored it. But re watch the fight again dude. Floyd clearly won a close competitive fight. We had a thread about this issue a couple months back.

[SteveO]

Floyd can be beaten. I don't think Hatton is the man to do it, though.

I'm not a hater or a nut hugger. Just a guy with an opinion.

[pipe wrenched]

I think Cotto would have the greatest chance if Cotto brings a deluxe jab

I have to agree. As a fan of PBF it's Cotto that worries me most.
Cotto's fookin roofless.

[Pimp C]

Although I give Cotto and Mosley a chance it's Williams that's really the wildcard. He has the style to give PBF fits long lanky southpaw with a HW reach, high workrate, jab, good stamina and chin. The only problem is that he lacks great defense and can be countered but he might just outwork PBF to a win.

[Fab2333]

Although I give Cotto and Mosley a chance it's Williams that's really the wildcard. He has the style to give PBF fits long lanky southpaw with a HW reach, high workrate, jab, good stamina and chin. The only problem is that he lacks great defense and can be countered but he might just outwork PBF to a win.:good

[Marnoff]

I would pick Floyd against anyone at this weight. It's possible for him to lose, but I see him as taking it down.

[Marnoff]

There's no MIGHT about it. That's what WILL happen, Floyd will land his counters, but he's not strong enough to keep Williams off him or rock him. You think Floyd will land more counters than Williams punches? No is the answer. This may sound ludacris to some, but it's entirely possible Williams shuts Floyd out. (unless he chooses to coast at the end).

HAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHA....

[Marnoff]

Give me reasons instead of grade 3 responses like "HAHAHAHAHAAHA" or "I would pick Floyd against anyone at this weight. It's possible for him to lose, but I see him as taking it down". :-(

First you explain how any Welterweight manages to shut Floyd out.

[Relentless]

Give me reasons instead of grade 3 responses like "HAHAHAHAHAAHA" or "I would pick Floyd against anyone at this weight. It's possible for him to lose, but I see him as taking it down". :-(

dont argue with an idiot.

[Marnoff]

Read the fuckin' post your replied "hahaaha" to.

Badass with the punctuation instead of the "g". That was hardcore.

Anyway, so you think Williams is going to land freely on Floyd with Floyd only managing a smaller number of counters? Based on what? Winning a close, yet clear win, over a slow and plodding Margarito in a fight in which Williams clearly was ineffective the longer the fight lasted? Heh.... A shut out on Floyd? Give me a break.

[Marnoff]

dont argue with an idiot.

Still sore from the lashing you got last week over your clumsy fingers.

[Relentless]

Still sore from the lashing you got last week over your clumsy fingers.

lashing? :lol: all you did was call me fat fingers!:patsch

[Alo2006]

Mosley, Cotto, Williams, possibly Cintron, yea, I think he CAN lose at 147.

If Floyd's on his A game, none of them can beat him.

[Alo2006]

That is very hard to do. No matter what Floyd does or says before the fight he will not deviate from his gameplan. His mental toughness inside the ring is 1 of his greatest strengths.


Indeed :yep

[Marnoff]

lashing? :lol: all you did was call me fat fingers!:patsch

I know. Shouldn't have hurt you like it did. Oh well.

[Marnoff]

If Floyd's on his A game, none of them can beat him.

I agree, but poster on Page 4 thinks Floyd can in fact be whitewashed.

[bigtime9]

There's no MIGHT about it. That's what WILL happen, Floyd will land his counters, but he's not strong enough to keep Williams off him or rock him. You think Floyd will land more counters than Williams punches? No is the answer. This may sound ludacris to some, but it's entirely possible Williams shuts Floyd out. (unless he chooses to coast at the end).

yeah and they said tommy hearns was too strong for leonard and too long. we all know how that turned out.

[rodney]

I agree.
No competion.
Thats why he is dancing.
Definitely not going to overtrain for Fat Boy.
No need.

[knockout]

Maybe Floyds right after Hatton hes just gonna retire again,duckin all the other guys.

[MacManJr.]

You probably said the same thing about Roy Jones JR at light heavyweight huh ?Floyd is better than Roy Jones ever was.

[Fab2333]

Floyd is better than Roy Jones ever was.

you buggin with that one. Floyd Jr will never be able to do what RJ did in a boxing ring. FLoyd is more technically sound yes. He keeps his hands up, has great defense head movement and footmovement. BUt Skill 2 skill RJ is miles ahead of Floyd.
I love both fighters, but I can agree with you on that one

[Tuavale]

Floyd Won't Lose To Anybody at 147!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl

He won't if he doesn't fight Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Williams and Cintron.

And Hatton will press him to the limit and may actually win. :smoke

[MacManJr.]

you buggin with that one. Floyd Jr will never be able to do what RJ did in a boxing ring. FLoyd is more technically sound yes. He keeps his hands up, has great defense head movement and footmovement. BUt Skill 2 skill RJ is miles ahead of Floyd.
I love both fighters, but I can agree with you on that oneI knew you wouldn't agree with me my dude. lol! Of course Roy has more skill and athletic ability but it doesn't equate to him being a better boxer.

[Fab2333]

I knew you wouldn't agree with me my dude. lol! Of course Roy has more skill and athletic ability but it doesn't equate to him being a better boxer.

Who do you think is the better Power Forward?
Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett?

[Ramshall1]

If the Colts refuse to play the Patriots, Chargers, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals. . . . then they may never lose too.

[Ramshall1]

Cintron might have the hight and power to beat him !

He may not have the chin . . . but the dude who beat the tears outta him certainly does.

Williams
Margarito
Cotto
Shane
Cintron
all have a good chance.

[Fab2333]

you buggin with that one. Floyd Jr will never be able to do what RJ did in a boxing ring. FLoyd is more technically sound yes. He keeps his hands up, has great defense head movement and footmovement. BUt Skill 2 skill RJ is miles ahead of Floyd.
I love both fighters, but I can agree with you on that one

Lemme retract my earlier statement. Floyd isnt more technically sound. B/c is order to "hotdog" you need to have known the basics first. So I meant to say that Floyd sticks to the book more than RJ.
RJ throws like 4,5 hooks at a time, in order for him to do that he have to had learned the fundamentals to just throwing one hook. Just want 2 clear that up.

[bigtime9]

Floyd is better than Roy Jones ever was.

I wouldn't go that far, but floyd is better from a technical standpoint. floyd is not in their messing around and hotdogging like roy used to do. floyd is all business and the fact that he won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses by the age of 30 shows why he will always rank ahead of roy. roy didn't win the heavy title until he was 34.

[Fab2333]

I wouldn't go that far, but floyd is better from a technical standpoint. floyd is not in their messing around and hotdogging like roy used to do. floyd is all business and the fact that he won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses by the age of 30 shows why he will always rank ahead of roy. roy didn't win the heavy title until he was 34.
ranked ahead of roy? how
winning the heavyweight title alone is a big deal.
RJ unified the LHW division.
And the only reason why RJ didnt win more titles at a younger age, is one he was self promoted and 2 early in his career his pops had him waisting his time fighting nobodys

[bigtime9]

ranked ahead of roy? how


how many weight classes did roy conquer by the age of 30.:roll:


winning the heavyweight title alone is a big deal.


roy didn't start at 130 he started at 154.


RJ unified the LHW division.
And the only reason why RJ didnt win more titles at a younger age, is one he was self promoted and 2 early in his career his pops had him waisting his time fighting nobodys

please don't make excuses just deal with the facts.

[kg0208]

how many weight classes did roy conquer by the age of 30.:roll:




roy didn't start at 130 he started at 154.




please don't make excuses just deal with the facts.
Fact, Jones has far more title defenses,

Fact Jones beat more champions

Fact Jones beat more ATG than PBF.

Fact, Jones was fighter of the decade in the 90's.

Fact, Jones has moved up more weight classes than PBF.

Fact Jones got a higher medal in the olympics that PBF.

Fact Jones won a HW title after starting below MW, something that hasn't been done in 100 years, PBF has 5 titles in 5 weight classes, that was done this decade by another fighter.

Nothing you say will bypass that. 5 weight class champion means little when compared to being the first former MW to win a HW title in a century. It's a higher honor and nothing you say can change that.

[Lance_Uppercut]

how many weight classes did roy conquer by the age of 30.:roll:




roy didn't start at 130 he started at 154.




please don't make excuses just deal with the facts.

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[Fab2333]

Fact, Jones has far more title defenses,

Fact Jones beat more champions

Fact Jones beat more ATG than PBF.

Fact, Jones was fighter of the decade in the 90's.

Fact, Jones has moved up more weight classes than PBF.

Fact Jones got a higher medal in the olympics that PBF.

Fact Jones won a HW title after starting below MW, something that hasn't been done in 100 years, PBF has 5 titles in 5 weight classes, that was done this decade by another fighter.

Nothing you say will bypass that. 5 weight class champion means little when compared to being the first former MW to win a HW title in a century. It's a higher honor and nothing you say can change that.

I was just about to say that. wel some of what you said at least. ANd how is he going to say stick to the facts when what I said is the truth. ONly reason why Floyd "accomplished" more by age 30 is b/c he wasnt self promoted. But that still doesnt prove anything in Floyds case, b/c RJ has still accomplished more than Floyd regardless. If you are gonna say that doesnt matter then , you must agree that 50Cent is a better rapper than Jay-Z b/c 50 has acomplished more at his age than Hova. Matter of fact its the same thing. 50 came in the game with Dr. Dre, and Eminem backing him, so he got shot to the top so fast, which put in him in the position he is in now. As oppose to Jay-Z who sold Cd's out his damn trunk, he started out independent and builded his way up 2 where he is. You dont see the difference?

[MacManJr.]

Who do you think is the better Power Forward?
Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett?Duncan but I like Garnett more.

[Fab2333]

Duncan but I like Garnett more.
you think Duncan is better than Garnett. HOW?
ONly reason why Duncan has won those rings i b/c of the team he has always had. If Garnett would have had a team like the Spurs he woulda won rings long time ago.
My whole point of askin that ? is while Duncan sticks to the fundamentals he not better than KG. NO way, he cant do stuff that KG do. So how is he better? Same shit with RJ and FLoyd, FLoyd sticks to the fundamentals more, but evrything Floyd can do RJ can do. BUt stuff RJ does Floyd cant do, so how does that make Floyd a better fighter?

[MacManJr.]

you think Duncan is better than Garnett. HOW?
ONly reason why Duncan has won those rings i b/c of the team he has always had. If Garnett would have had a team like the Spurs he woulda won rings long time ago.
My whole point of askin that ? is while Duncan sticks to the fundamentals he not better than KG. NO way, he cant do stuff that KG do. So how is he better? Same shit with RJ and FLoyd, FLoyd sticks to the fundamentals more, but evrything Floyd can do RJ can do. BUt stuff RJ does Floyd cant do, so how does that make Floyd a better fighter?Duncan has a MUCH better back to the basket game and he is a MUCH better shot blocker. He is also more CLUTCH. The only weakness to his game is he is a bad free throw shooter. Floyd's only weakness is his hands are always a risk to get hurt. Garnett is just more flashy. Just like Roy is more flashy than Floyd. RJ can't do everything Floyd can do or he wouldn't have gotten put to bed by Tarver and Johnson. His defense is nowhere near that of Floyd. It has nothing to do with resumes. Floyd is a more complete fighter than Roy and Duncan is a more complete power forward than Garnett.

[Fab2333]

Duncan has a MUCH better back to the basket game and he is a MUCH better shot blocker. He is also more CLUTCH. The only weakness to his game is he is a bad free throw shooter. Floyd's only weakness is his hands are always a risk to get hurt. Garnett is just more flashy. Just like Roy is more flashy than Floyd. RJ can't do everything Floyd can do or he wouldn't have gotten put to bed by Tarver and Johnson. His defense is nowhere near that of Floyd. It has nothing to do with resumes. Floyd is a more complete fighter than Roy and Duncan is a more complete power forward than Garnett.
Better back to the basket game? Dont think so, that is tim duncans game is why it seems that way, he just backs down and shoots. Thats his game. Garnett can do that all day if he wanted to, but his game is waay more versatile than Duncan so how is he not better. I do agree he is a better shot blocker, but other than that KG does evrything else better.


KG stats for last yr
2006-07 Statistics PPG 22.4 RPG 12.8 APG 4.1 SPG 1.2 BPG 1.7 FG% 0.476 FT% 0.835 3P% 0.214 MPG 39.4

Tim Duncan stats
PPG 20.0 RPG 10.6 APG 3.4 SPG 0.8 BPG 2.4 FG% 0.546 FT% 0.637 3P% 0.111 MPG 34.1


RJ lost b/c he was waay past his prime when he lost to tarver and johnson. And do you honestly think that Tarver abd Johnson could have beaten RJ in his prime? common dogs. How is RJ defense not as good as floyds? Like i said be4 Floyd does it by the book RJ does it in his own way. If you put ya hands up and use ya shoulders 2 deflect punches. And I just use my reflexes to get out of the way of punchs, arent we accomplishing the same thing just by doing it 2 different ways?
I cant see how you think Floyd is better, If you want to compare attribute to atribute Floyd is gonna lose.

[MacManJr.]

Better back to the basket game? Dont think so, that is tim duncans game is why it seems that way, he just backs down and shoots. Thats his game. Garnett can do that all day if he wanted to, but his game is waay more versatile than Duncan so how is he not better. I do agree he is a better shot blocker, but other than that KG does evrything else better.


KG stats for last yr
2006-07 Statistics PPG 22.4 RPG 12.8 APG 4.1 SPG 1.2 BPG 1.7 FG% 0.476 FT% 0.835 3P% 0.214 MPG 39.4

Tim Duncan stats
PPG 20.0 RPG 10.6 APG 3.4 SPG 0.8 BPG 2.4 FG% 0.546 FT% 0.637 3P% 0.111 MPG 34.1


RJ lost b/c he was waay past his prime when he lost to tarver and johnson. And do you honestly think that Tarver abd Johnson could have beaten RJ in his prime? common dogs. How is RJ defense not as good as floyds? Like i said be4 Floyd does it by the book RJ does it in his own way. If you put ya hands up and use ya shoulders 2 deflect punches. And I just use my reflexes to get out of the way of punchs, arent we accomplishing the same thing just by doing it 2 different ways?
I cant see how you think Floyd is better, If you want to compare attribute to atribute Floyd is gonna lose.Your argument about Floyd and Roy holds more weight than your argument about Duncan and Garnett. Floyd is still better defensively because he doesn't rely on his reflexes as much therefore when they slow down he still won't be as vulnerable as Roy. Why do you think Hopkins is so old and still has never been starched? He is much better defensively than Roy too. No I don't think Tarver would've beat him in his prime or Johnson either but Floyd will still be beating fighters like that when he is past his prime. The only thing Roy has on Floyd is power.


Anyway, Garnett plays face up more than he does with his back to the basket. He hits most of his points off of mid range jumpers and dunks or lay ups. He ain't clutch like Duncan either. I guarantee you when it comes down to it this year it will be Pierce or Allen taking the big shots just like it was Sam and Spree when they played with him. Plus when you compare numbers from last year don't forget that Garnett played with a bunch of bums and had to do everything. Duncan coasted through the regular season and let Parker and Ginobili eat.

[Fab2333]

Your argument about Floyd and Roy holds more weight than your argument about Duncan and Garnett. Floyd is still better defensively because he doesn't rely on his reflexes as much therefore when they slow down he still won't be as vulnerable as Roy. Why do you think Hopkins is so old and still has never been starched? He is much better defensively than Roy too. No I don't think Tarver would've beat him in his prime or Johnson either but Floyd will still be beating fighters like that when he is past his prime. The only thing Roy has on Floyd is power.


Anyway, Garnett plays face up more than he does with his back to the basket. He hits most of his points off of mid range jumpers and dunks or lay ups. He ain't clutch like Duncan either. I guarantee you when it comes down to it this year it will be Pierce or Allen taking the big shots just like it was Sam and Spree when they played with him. Plus when you compare numbers from last year don't forget that Garnett played with a bunch of bums and had to do everything. Duncan coasted through the regular season and let Parker and Ginobili eat.

I dont get the logic of you do things by the book, but yet I can do what you do but I do it better, and im not better than you? the logic itself doesnt make sense to me.
Wjen RJ was past his prime he was still bussin ass, his style of fighting doesnt merit fighting into your later years as B-HOP. RJ should have retired after he won the heavyweight title, and he woulda been good money. No need to fight longer b/c he didnt need to.
Only power? handSpeed, overall quickness, headmovement, footmovement. Not saying that Floyds isnt on point, but RJ's is better.
We shall see about the KG thing. Duncan like I said came into the league with a championship caliber team already. They were missing one or two pieces but for the most part they were almost there.

[kg0208]

Your argument about Floyd and Roy holds more weight than your argument about Duncan and Garnett. Floyd is still better defensively because he doesn't rely on his reflexes as much therefore when they slow down he still won't be as vulnerable as Roy. Why do you think Hopkins is so old and still has never been starched? He is much better defensively than Roy too. No I don't think Tarver would've beat him in his prime or Johnson either but Floyd will still be beating fighters like that when he is past his prime. The only thing Roy has on Floyd is power.


Anyway, Garnett plays face up more than he does with his back to the basket. He hits most of his points off of mid range jumpers and dunks or lay ups. He ain't clutch like Duncan either. I guarantee you when it comes down to it this year it will be Pierce or Allen taking the big shots just like it was Sam and Spree when they played with him. Plus when you compare numbers from last year don't forget that Garnett played with a bunch of bums and had to do everything. Duncan coasted through the regular season and let Parker and Ginobili eat.
RJJ has more than power on PBF.

Jones has a p4p speed advantage. Jones never encountered a man his speed at his weight class or any weight class near him. PBF isn't as fast as Judah, who was not as fast as Jones p4p.

Jones has better reflexes, and while PBF is better defensively on technique, Jones in his prime had faster feet and could get in and out more effectively than PBF can even now. Thus the reason he could go an entire round without being hit.

Jones also was better offensively. Everyone wants to talk about technical skill, but athletic ability brings much to the table and application of these abilities made Jones a more dangerous and IMO bettter fighter than PBF.

You guys argument over Duncan and KG isn't going to go anywhere. KG is more versatile and Duncan is better fundementally. KG changed the entire position and Duncan raised the level of play at the position from its original form but IN its original form. Duncan has a better team and always has while KG has had to carry his. Nothing can be learned there. It's like comparing Jerry West and Oscar Robertson.

[Fab2333]

RJJ has more than power on PBF.

Jones has a p4p speed advantage. Jones never encountered a man his speed at his weight class or any weight class near him. PBF isn't as fast as Judah, who was not as fast as Jones p4p.

Jones has better reflexes, and while PBF is better defensively on technique, Jones in his prime had faster feet and could get in and out more effectively than PBF can even now. Thus the reason he could go an entire round without being hit.

Jones also was better offensively. Everyone wants to talk about technical skill, but athletic ability brings much to the table and application of these abilities made Jones a more dangerous and IMO bettter fighter than PBF.

You guys argument over Duncan and KG isn't going to go anywhere. KG is more versatile and Duncan is better fundementally. KG changed the entire position and Duncan raised the level of play at the position from its original form but IN its original form. Duncan has a better team and always has while KG has had to carry his. Nothing can be learned there. It's like comparing Jerry West and Oscar Robertson.:good fair enough

[kg0208]

I was just about to say that. wel some of what you said at least. ANd how is he going to say stick to the facts when what I said is the truth. ONly reason why Floyd "accomplished" more by age 30 is b/c he wasnt self promoted. But that still doesnt prove anything in Floyds case, b/c RJ has still accomplished more than Floyd regardless. If you are gonna say that doesnt matter then , you must agree that 50Cent is a better rapper than Jay-Z b/c 50 has acomplished more at his age than Hova. Matter of fact its the same thing. 50 came in the game with Dr. Dre, and Eminem backing him, so he got shot to the top so fast, which put in him in the position he is in now. As oppose to Jay-Z who sold Cd's out his damn trunk, he started out independent and builded his way up 2 where he is. You dont see the difference?

Accomplished more in winning titles because he never stayed in them as long as Jones. Jones defended every title but his HW one. PBF never defended his 140 or 147 title until now.

Jones was p4p #1 and won titles in 3 weight classes by the time he was 30 and beaten 3 ATG and been name fighter of the decade I believe. Jones had done more than PBF by 30, just not won more titles. That isn't the only accomplishment out there.

[Thread Stealer]

I was just about to say that. wel some of what you said at least. ANd how is he going to say stick to the facts when what I said is the truth. ONly reason why Floyd "accomplished" more by age 30 is b/c he wasnt self promoted. But that still doesnt prove anything in Floyds case, b/c RJ has still accomplished more than Floyd regardless. If you are gonna say that doesnt matter then , you must agree that 50Cent is a better rapper than Jay-Z b/c 50 has acomplished more at his age than Hova. Matter of fact its the same thing. 50 came in the game with Dr. Dre, and Eminem backing him, so he got shot to the top so fast, which put in him in the position he is in now. As oppose to Jay-Z who sold Cd's out his damn trunk, he started out independent and builded his way up 2 where he is. You dont see the difference?

Mediocre 50 started out rapping for awhile on mixtapes before he got big.

He paid his dues too.

[Fab2333]

Mediocre 50 started out rapping for awhile on mixtapes before he got big.

He paid his dues too.

i know that. Im talkin about as far as what he accomplished as the mainstream artist 50 cent. If i went off what the other dude was saying, then that woulda made him a better rapper than Jay-Zb/c he accomplished more at a younger age

[Fab2333]

Accomplished more in winning titles because he never stayed in them as long as Jones. Jones defended every title but his HW one. PBF never defended his 140 or 147 title until now.

Jones was p4p #1 and won titles in 3 weight classes by the time he was 30 and beaten 3 ATG and been name fighter of the decade I believe. Jones had done more than PBF by 30, just not won more titles. That isn't the only accomplishment out there.

who is the third ATG you ahve Jones beating?

[kg0208]

who is the third ATG you ahve Jones beating?

Mike McCallum is an ATG, perhaps even greater than Toney prime for prime. Jones beat him when he was way past his prime but still a championship level fighter in an average to weak LHW division. Remember, many think McCallum is the best Jr MW ever.

Virgil Hill is a future HoF but I don't count him as an ATG.

[MacManJr.]

I dont get the logic of you do things by the book, but yet I can do what you do but I do it better, and im not better than you? the logic itself doesnt make sense to me.
Wjen RJ was past his prime he was still bussin ass, his style of fighting doesnt merit fighting into your later years as B-HOP. RJ should have retired after he won the heavyweight title, and he woulda been good money. No need to fight longer b/c he didnt need to.
Only power? handSpeed, overall quickness, headmovement, footmovement. Not saying that Floyds isnt on point, but RJ's is better.
We shall see about the KG thing. Duncan like I said came into the league with a championship caliber team already. They were missing one or two pieces but for the most part they were almost there.You can talk about what Roy should've done all you want. Floyd ain't losing to anybody Tarver's caliber or especially Johnson. If Roy is any faster than Floyd it aint by much. Floyd definitely has a better chin.

As far as championships Duncan has I don't care about that. I'm not even lookign at that. You gimme a blank roster and tell me to start a team but my 1st pick has to be Duncan or Garnett and I'm picking Duncan with no hesitation or regret.

[kg0208]

You can talk about what Roy should've done all you want. Floyd ain't losing to anybody Tarver's caliber or especially Johnson. If Roy is any faster than Floyd it aint by much. Floyd definitely has a better chin.

As far as championships Duncan has I don't care about that. I'm not even lookign at that. You gimme a blank roster and tell me to start a team but my 1st pick has to be Duncan or Garnett and I'm picking Duncan with no hesitation or regret.

Whoa...slow your roll. You don't know WHAT PBF will do or who he will lose to at age 34.

[MacManJr.]

RJJ has more than power on PBF.

Jones has a p4p speed advantage. Jones never encountered a man his speed at his weight class or any weight class near him. PBF isn't as fast as Judah, who was not as fast as Jones p4p.

Jones has better reflexes, and while PBF is better defensively on technique, Jones in his prime had faster feet and could get in and out more effectively than PBF can even now. Thus the reason he could go an entire round without being hit.

Jones also was better offensively. Everyone wants to talk about technical skill, but athletic ability brings much to the table and application of these abilities made Jones a more dangerous and IMO bettter fighter than PBF.

You guys argument over Duncan and KG isn't going to go anywhere. KG is more versatile and Duncan is better fundementally. KG changed the entire position and Duncan raised the level of play at the position from its original form but IN its original form. Duncan has a better team and always has while KG has had to carry his. Nothing can be learned there. It's like comparing Jerry West and Oscar Robertson.Some of that I agree with and some I don't. I should've said the most obvious advantage Roy has over Floyd is power instead of the only advantage. At least you and Fab make good points and talk with some sense. I can actually have a sensible debate with yall.

[MacManJr.]

Whoa...slow your roll. You don't know WHAT PBF will do or who he will lose to at age 34.I don't think he'll fight that long. He'll probably be doing movies or some shit like that. Plus if you haven't noticed I like to make bold predictions.

[kg0208]

I don't think he'll fight that long. He'll probably be doing movies or some shit like that. Plus if you haven't noticed I like to make bold predictions.

Perhaps so, but you shouldn't denegrate Jones in the process.

[kg0208]

Some of that I agree with and some I don't. I should've said the most obvious advantage Roy has over Floyd is power instead of the only advantage. At least you and Fab make good points and talk with some sense. I can actually have a sensible debate with yall.
:good It's all opinion based anyways. I can't prove most of it.

[MacManJr.]

Perhaps so, but you shouldn't denegrate Jones in the process.I never said Roy is a bum or anything like that. I ride around watching a dvd of his greatest knockouts in my truck. He just is not as great as Pretty Boy after Floyd cleans out the welterweight division and rides off into the sunset.

[kg0208]

I never said Roy is a bum or anything like that. I ride around watching a dvd of his greatest knockouts in my truck. He just is not as great as Pretty Boy after Floyd cleans out the welterweight division and rides off into the sunset.

IF PBF clears out the WW division, then he would likely move past Jones. But that's a ways off as he would have to beat the Cotto/Mosley winner, Williams, and take Cintron's strap, assuming he still has it.

[MacManJr.]

IF PBF clears out the WW division, then he would likely move past Jones. But that's a ways off as he would have to beat the Cotto/Mosley winner, Williams, and take Cintron's strap, assuming he still has it.It's damn near impossible these days to unify all titles at a weight class without a mandatory being forced on you. I say all he has to do is beat the winner of Cotto/Mosley (which I say will be Shane) then beat Williams. Anything after that is icing on the cake. No way he gets through Hatton, Shane, Williams and Cintron without an organization trying to force him to fight the local paperboy or strip him of their title.

[kg0208]

It's damn near impossible these days to unify all titles at a weight class without a mandatory being forced on you. I say all he has to do is beat the winner of Cotto/Mosley (which I say will be Shane) then beat Williams. Anything after that is icing on the cake. No way he gets through Hatton, Shane, Williams and Cintron without an organization trying to force him to fight the local paperboy or strip him of their title.

I think he has to do more. PBF has more titles, but lags behind Jones in every catagory elsewhere, like title defenses, ATG's and HoF beaten, Champions beaten, unifying etc.

[MacManJr.]

I think he has to do more. PBF has more titles, but lags behind Jones in every catagory elsewhere, like title defenses, ATG's and HoF beaten, Champions beaten, unifying etc.I understand what you're saying as far as his legacy compared to Roy's. Although I think it woudl be a coin flip after beating Williams. Would it remove all doubt to you that he is the best WW though if all he does is beat Shane and Williams?

[kg0208]

I understand what you're saying as far as his legacy compared to Roy's. Although I think it woudl be a coin flip after beating Williams. Would it remove all doubt to you that he is the best WW though if all he does is beat Shane and Williams?

Yup. But I don't doubt he is the best WW anyways :deal

[MacManJr.]

Yup. But I don't doubt he is the best WW anyways :dealExactly what I thought. :deal

[Fab2333]

2 me for Floyd to move past RJ legacy wise, he would have to damn near acquire evry belt in the WW division. Like what RJ did at LHW. And 2 me I think the HW chammpionship is the most prestigious belt out there if you believe it or not, Its somethin about being the heavyweight champion of the world that seems more eminent that other belts. Not to discredit other champions or anything. And then for Jones who started at 154 jr middleweight and win a piece of the heavyweight crown. THat in and of itsself is amazing

[MacManJr.]

2 me for Floyd to move past RJ legacy wise, he would have to damn near acquire evry belt in the WW division. Like what RJ did at LHW. And 2 me I think the HW chammpionship is the most prestigious belt out there if you believe it or not, Its somethin about being the heavyweight champion of the world that seems more eminent that other belts. Not to discredit other champions or anything. And then for Jones who started at 154 jr middleweight and win a piece of the heavyweight crown. THat in and of itsself is amazingI try my best not to take anything away from Roy but who in their right mind really thought Ruiz stood a chance in that fight? I wanted to see Roy fight Chris Byrd so bad!!!! I think Roy would've beat him too but I wanted to see it anyway.

By the way, when you talk Roundball these days Kobe is the best! :deal :thumbsup

[Fab2333]

I try my best not to take anything away from Roy but who in their right mind really thought Ruiz stood a chance in that fight? I wanted to see Roy fight Chris Byrd so bad!!!! I think Roy would've beat him too but I wanted to see it anyway.

By the way, when you talk Roundball these days Kobe is the best! :deal :thumbsup

a lot of people thought that Ruiz was going to beat Jones believe it or not. RJ was leaping from 175 pound 2 heavyweight. People thought that woulda been his demise. he was still outweighed by like 30 somethin pounds against ruiz. But RJ being who he was wdid what he ahd to do to win.

Yeah Kobe is definately a beast. but my 2nd favorite player. My favorite player is Tracy McGrady,thats my dude right there, ***** gets it in.

[MacManJr.]

a lot of people thought that Ruiz was going to beat Jones believe it or not. RJ was leaping from 175 pound 2 heavyweight. People thought that woulda been his demise. he was still outweighed by like 30 somethin pounds against ruiz. But RJ being who he was wdid what he ahd to do to win.

Yeah Kobe is definately a beast. but my 2nd favorite player. My favorite player is Tracy McGrady,thats my dude right there, ***** gets it in.I believe you but I never thought Ruiz would win not even for a second. Do you think RJ would've beaten Byrd?

[Fab2333]

I believe you but I never thought Ruiz would win not even for a second. Do you think RJ would've beaten Byrd?

Yeah, to b honest I woulda picked RJ to damn near beat anybody at one point, dude was a beast in a boxing ring. I mean against a dude like Lennox Lewis Rj woulda definately had hella problems, but just b/c of what he can do I woulda still picked him. I definately think he could have beaten Byrd. He wanted to fight Holyfield, I think his camp offered him somethin like 8million or some figure like that, and he turned it down. Telling you be4 RJ lost a lot of people aint want no parts, dude was 2 good

[MacManJr.]

Yeah, to b honest I woulda picked RJ to damn near beat anybody at one point, dude was a beast in a boxing ring. I mean against a dude like Lennox Lewis Rj woulda definately had hella problems, but just b/c of what he can do I woulda still picked him. I definately think he could have beaten Byrd. He wanted to fight Holyfield, I think his camp offered him somethin like 8million or some figure like that, and he turned it down. Telling you be4 RJ lost a lot of people aint want no parts, dude was 2 goodI think he could've beaten Byrd and Holyfield but not Lennox.

[Fab2333]

I think he could've beaten Byrd and Holyfield but not Lennox.

yea I doubt he coulda beaten Lennox, Im just sayin if they woulda fought, thinkin logically I kno that Lennox prolly woulda won. But I wouldnt put anything past my boy Roy.