Ali vs Banks. What a sell out.

[Dempsey1238]

I just watch all 4 rounds of this so called Ali comeing back from a knockdown and koing Banks. Dont belive the lies.

The first round, Banks drops Ali, and wins the round.
Round 2 has Ali droping Banks and out pointed Banks.
Round 3 is a big round for Ali as he hurts Banks and has him staggering around the ring as a drunk. If the fight should have been stop it should have been this round.

Round 4. Banks starts out ok, Ali lands a good jab and Banks staggers a bit, but the ref rushs in and stops the fight. Geez. Fraizer was staggering MORE than Banks did in Ali Fraizer 2 and 3. And did the ref stop that fight?? Hell no. I felt Ali would have won any way. But the stoppage was 2 early. Who knows maybe Banks would have drop Ali again?

[Luigi1985]

Ali had in general so much luck during his career...

[C. M. Clay II]

I just watch all 4 rounds of this so called Ali comeing back from a knockdown and koing Banks. Dont belive the lies.

The first round, Banks drops Ali, and wins the round.
Round 2 has Ali droping Banks and out pointed Banks.
Round 3 is a big round for Ali as he hurts Banks and has him staggering around the ring as a drunk. If the fight should have been stop it should have been this round.

Round 4. Banks starts out ok, Ali lands a good jab and Banks staggers a bit, but the ref rushs in and stops the fight. Geez. Fraizer was staggering MORE than Banks did in Ali Fraizer 2 and 3. And did the ref stop that fight?? Hell no. I felt Ali would have won any way. But the stoppage was 2 early. Who knows maybe Banks would have drop Ali again?

Yeah, I definetely would have stopped it in the 3rd, but the fourth was pre-mature, I think it was a cut, though.

[C. M. Clay II]

Ali had in general so much luck during his career...

This doesn't count as one of them because he was in no danger of losing, anyway.

[Dempsey1238]

No cut. Banks stagger a little bit.

[Dempsey1238]

This doesn't count as one of them because he was in no danger of losing, anyway.

Blinders on again.
Explaine that first round please?? If Ali was never in danger of loseing, why was he knockdown?

[Luigi1985]

Blinders on again.
Explaine that first round please?? If Ali was never in danger of loseing, why was he knockdown?


Ditto!

[C. M. Clay II]

Blinders on again.
Explaine that first round please?? If Ali was never in danger of loseing, why was he knockdown?

That was a flash knockdown. Ali was up in one second and was not hurt at all.

[C. M. Clay II]

Ditto!

Read post #8.

[Dempsey1238]

That was no flash knockdown, Ali look hurt imo.

[C. M. Clay II]

That was no flash knockdown, Ali look hurt imo.

Yeah, right. If he was hurt, then how come right away it was business as usual? Clay went back to punching and moving like before. He didn't try to hold on or anything that would how he was hurt. He was off-balance, but not hurt.:good

[Luigi1985]

Yeah, right. If he was hurt, then how come right away it was business as usual? Clay went back to punching and moving like before. He didn't try to hold on or anything that would how he was hurt. He was off-balance, but not hurt.:good



:tired


I know, the KD of Ali was with good intent, because he wanted to give the public a good and exciting performance, and not a serious and one-sided beating he could have give Banks...

[Dempsey1238]

Because most great fighters go right back to business after getting knockdown. Dempsey did it vs Firpo, and Robinson did it vs Fullmer when knockout of the ring. Both cases they were hurt, both cases they went back to business as normally.

[C. M. Clay II]

:tired


I know, the KD of Ali was with good intent, because he wanted to give the public a good and exciting performance, and not a serious and one-sided beating he could have give Banks...

You could see in the clip he was fine. He was up right away, and went on like nothing happened.

[C. M. Clay II]

Because most great fighters go right back to business after getting knockdown. Dempsey did it vs Firpo, and Robinson did it vs Fullmer when knockout of the ring. Both cases they were hurt, both cases they went back to business as normally.

Dempsey was just ducking and weaving against the ropes, he wasn't trying to blast Firpo like he was doing before. You could tell he was hurt. Dempsey for the rest of the first round was doing nothing but trying to survive.

I haven't seen the other fight so I can't comment on that.

[Luigi1985]

You could see in the clip he was fine. He was up right away, and went on like nothing happened.


I saw it, otherwise I wouldn´t talk. I only give my opinion when I now what I´m talking about (not like you)...

[C. M. Clay II]

I saw it, otherwise I wouldn´t talk. I only give my opinion when I now what I´m talking about (not like you)...

I have the fight in my collection. I've seen it tons of times. Believe me, I know what I'm rtalking about.

[Dempsey1238]

Dempsey was firing back if you got the unedit version. You can see Dempsey hit Firpo after the bell. He only held for a few sconds, before he fire right on back.

[Luigi1985]

I have the fight in my collection. I've seen it tons of times. Believe me, I know what I'm rtalking about.


Yeah, but you have the Ali- glasses on and you´re like on LSD, totally not responsible for one´s action when it comes to Ali, so you don´t count...

[C. M. Clay II]

Dempsey was firing back if you got the unedit version. You can see Dempsey hit Firpo after the bell. He only held for a few sconds, before he fire right on back.

OK, Dempsey held for a few seconds, but Clay held for no seconds!:good

[C. M. Clay II]

Yeah, but you have the Ali- glasses on and you´re like on LSD, totally not responsible for one´s action when it comes to Ali, so you don´t count...

I count more than you, since you seem to have the Ali-hater glasses on.

[Dempsey1238]

Well, Ali was running back. Dempsey and Firpo mostly went at each other. One or the other was bound to hold.

[Luigi1985]

I count more than you, since you seem to have the Ali-hater glasses on.


I´m realistic and neutral, two things you don´t have... that isn´t a hater, you confound something again...

[C. M. Clay II]

I´m realistic and neutral, two things you don´t have... that isn´t a hater, you confound something again...

I'm neutral, too. It's not like I said he wasn't hurt against Copper or something. Both men threw left hooks, and Banks' hook got there first. Clay went down and was up right away, bouncing up and down, eyes clear and everything. I don't think he was in trouble, and I'm being as unbiased as I can.

[C. M. Clay II]

Well, Ali was running back. Dempsey and Firpo mostly went at each other. One or the other was bound to hold.

Well, anyway Firpo didn't really hit him. Dempsey got pushed out of the ring and he hit his head on a typewriter. That's how he got hurt.

[Luigi1985]

I'm neutral, too. It's not like I said he wasn't hurt against Copper or something. Both men threw left hooks, and Banks' hook got there first. Clay went down and was up right away, bouncing up and down, eyes clear and everything. I don't think he was in trouble, and I'm being as unbiased as I can.


But why do you call me a hater? Did you ever read something absurd I said about Ali? I give only my opinions, in this cases here I also didn´t say he was almost KTFO or something like that...

[Duodenum]

Oh, dear God, what a hideously bitter irony:shock:!

There is simply no way I can be the only one on ESB to pick up on this! The referee who was criticized for stopping Clay/Banks prematurely was Ruby Goldstein! My friends, this match took place on February 10, 1962, in Madison Square Garden. The very next month, on March 24, at the very same venue, Ruby Goldstein came under fire for freezing in round 12 of the Griffith/Paret III tragedy.

If Goldstein had the same mindset for Griffith/Paret III that he had for Clay/Banks, Benny might have survived:-(.

A further disturbing item concerning Goldstein's decision to spare Banks any more punishment involves the fact that barely three years later, Banks would become one of the last heavyweights to die of injuries sustained in a boxing ring, at the hands of Leotis Martin.

Horrible coincidences.:verysad


Ominous parallels aside, as Don Dunphy characterized both scored knockdowns as merely being of the flash variety from his ringside position, I'd be inclined to go along with his experienced assessment on that opinion.

From how it appeared to me, the best punch of the fight landed by Banks was the first punch he delivered after getting up from his referee ruled slip, also a left hook which really did seem to rattle young Clay.

Beyond that, I was really impressed with how good Clay's hook was at that early stage of his career. I was under the impression that he didn't really possess significant mastery of the hook until after he won the title from Liston, yet that is the final punch in the combination which floored Banks. It wasn't the only superb hook he delivered in that match.

Until just now, all I'd seen of Clay/Banks was that historic knockdown, and the fourth round conclusion. It was fascinating to finally view it in it's entirety. (And chillingly ominous, given the knowledge of what would come to pass.)