Sam Peter Article on Front Page

[BITCH ASS]

Where the fuck does ESB come up with some of its writers?

This is easily one of the worst articles on boxing I've ever seen.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but damn.

People actually read that shit and think that they've learned something.

[MagnificentMatt]

Where the fuck does ESB come up with some of its writers?

This is easily one of the worst articles on boxing I've ever seen.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but damn.

People actually read that shit and think that they've learned something.

Yeah, its the most biased, Peter hating shit i've ever seen, i was laughing the whole time i read it...:happy

[tragicliston]

I don't mind unpopular opinions, but that was just fuckin' stupid. Every time ESB publishes on the those jokers the site's reputation goes down.

[BITCH ASS]

I don't mind unpopular opinions, but that was just fuckin' stupid. Every time ESB publishes on the those jokers the site's reputation goes down.

Exactly.

Like when he said Ibriganov would control Peter using his jab.

First of all, Ibriganov is a southpaw, secondly, his jab leaves a lot to be desired and honestly, he won't be able to do what he did against Briggs against Peter.

His jab will come into play, but not nearly as much as his left hand and right hook.

Either way, Peter stops Ibriganov.

Even if I'm wrong, picking Povetkin, over Peter at this point in his career by an "EASY WIDE UD?"

Come the fuck on.

[MagnificentMatt]

Peter would take Ibragimovs head off, before 8...

[BITCH ASS]

Also, "EASILY by a WIDE UD" is overused like a mother fucker on this forum.

[AJAX]

well, they allowed Jack Presscott to write an article so that opened the flood gates to all the rejects. But at the same time I think about half the guys he mentioned would beat Peter.

[brooklyn1550]

Wladimir Klitschko and Ruslan Chagaev are the two guys that I think would beat Samuel Peter. Other than that, I think he beats Oleg Maskaev, Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson, Evander Holyfield, Sergei Lyakhovich, Lamon Brewster, Hasim Rahman, Alexander Povetkin, and Alexander Dimitrenko.

[MagnificentMatt]

Wladimir Klitschko and Ruslan Chagaev are the two guys that I think would beat Samuel Peter. Other than that, I think he beats Oleg Maskaev, Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson, Evander Holyfield, Sergei Lyakhovich, Lamon Brewster, Hasim Rahman, Alexander Povetkin, and Alexander Dimitrenko.

Same...I give Holyfield a better chance than half the people dude listed..

[BITCH ASS]

well, they allowed Jack Presscott to write an article so that opened the flood gates to all the rejects. But at the same time I think about half the guys he mentioned would beat Peter.

He acts like everyone is Ali when he says, WIDE UD.

When you got two guys the same height, stature, and similar fighting styles, there won't be a WIDE UD.

BTW, Peter is gonna knock Maskaev out.

[brooklyn1550]

BTW, Peter is gonna knock Maskaev out.

Yes he will

Overall, that was a terrible article

[Executioner]

Fuck that was the worst piece of shit I've read all day

[iceman]

Where the fuck does ESB come up with some of its writers?

This is easily one of the worst articles on boxing I've ever seen.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but damn.

People actually read that shit and think that they've learned something.


Is it even a serious article?
How could anyone pick glass-jawed Rahman to beat Peter? effin hilarious:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[brooklyn1550]

I have my theories.

And what are those theories?:hey

[Doc BNB]

Those types of articles are the nature of the beast. This site has always been open to a wide range of content; if it's limited for the sake quality, then it also loses some of that open-market quality. Since all of the articles are open to comments, it's clear when some are given more criticism than others.

[iceman]

Peter's crap - biggest hype job there is. EXPOSED EXPOSED EXPOSED he shall be! He's stocky and packs a punch that's it. Christ, why can't peeps see this?


Agreed , he packs a punch and has a granite chin.
Thats enough to beat 90-95 % of todays' heavyweights

[iceman]

Wladimir Klitschko and Ruslan Chagaev are the two guys that I think would beat Samuel Peter. Other than that, I think he beats Oleg Maskaev, Sultan Ibragimov, Tony Thompson, Evander Holyfield, Sergei Lyakhovich, Lamon Brewster, Hasim Rahman, Alexander Povetkin, and Alexander Dimitrenko.


Mostly agree , but i would think Povetkin could outpoint Peter if his chin holds up.

[MagnificentMatt]

Hm. Peter is the biggest hype job but people keep saying how Povetkin is the next coming, and hasnt even fought anyone worth note.. Honestly, he is mentioned way to much for just being a prospect..

[BITCH ASS]

I actually agree with you for a change. Ever since Prescott started writing, they have let all kinds of bullshit be put on the front page. The writers just keep getting shittier

Did you read my US women thread?

[AJAX]

where's karen Belford? that's the type of boxing knowledge we need around here :yep

[AJAX]

and what about Fraudly who she thought was the best in the world and talked about him every article

[tragicliston]

where's karen Belford? that's the type of boxing knowledge we need around here :yep

Wasn't Karen just somebody's joke persona?

[pipe wrenched]

I actually agree with you for a change. Ever since Prescott started writing, they have let all kinds of bullshit be put on the front page. The writers just keep getting shittier

I don't know what's up with the writing lately, but as shitty as it is, Prescott's are the only articles during this boxing dry spell that are getting over 200 posts (even if every one of them are telling him he's a dumb ass:lol: ). There really hasn't been any REAL good shit happening all through August and the writers are stuck trying to spice up and put spin on shit that ain't happenin for months. I noticed the other day all up and down the front page that only 2-3 articles had 200+ posts (prescott's and anything Calzaghe/Kessler). It will all be better once the big fights start rollin in.:good

[pipe wrenched]

MexicanJew- Miguel Valasco was a real riot! That dude got hammered everytime. He also said that Andrade was gonna show Kessler what's up.

[RUSKULL]

I think the writer is 100% correct when he says that Peter doesn't deserve a title shot for only beating Toney, who should've been nowhere near a title shot himself.

Most people had Toney either winning the first fight or they saw it as close maybe a draw. That's why the WBC made them do it over again.

Neither Toney nor Peter should've had an eliminator because they beat nothing but weak competition for their shots in the first place & Chagaev would beat him fairly easily IMO. The rest is only speculation & I doubt that Peter would lose to all of them but it's not certain he would beat any of them either.

Let's see how well he does against Maskaev before judging m'kay?! :thumbsup

[RUSKULL]

where's karen Belford? that's the type of boxing knowledge we need around here :yep

:rofl She went the way of the dinosaur when Audley got KTFO.

[brooklyn1550]

I think the wirter is 100% correct when he says that Peter doesn't deserve a title shot for only beating Toney, who should've been nowhere near a title shot himself.

Most people had Toney either winning the first fight or they saw it as close maybe a draw. That's why the WBC made them do it over again.

Neither Toney nor Peter should've had an eliminator because they beat nothing but weak competition for their shots in the first place & Chagaev would beat him fairly easily IMO. The rest is only speculation & I doubt that Peter would lose to all of them but it's not certain he would beat any of them either.

Let's see how well he does against Maskaev before judging m'kay?! :thumbsup

Let's be fair here: The WBC said "this is what you need to do to get a title shot." Peter did it and had to do it again. He trained hard, showed improvement in his technical skills and earned his title shot again. He may not have beaten stellar opposition to get to this point, but he did what he had to do to earn his shot regardless. I'd say he's more worthy of a shot than Peter Okhello, Monte Barrett, and Ray Austin.

[brooklyn1550]

He also said that Andrade was gonna show Kessler what's up.

:lol:

[Vantage_West]

well, they allowed Jack Presscott to write an article so that opened the flood gates to all the rejects. But at the same time I think about half the guys he mentioned would beat Peter.yeah the one about how tito is amazing and will demolish roy jones and all his acheivements by beating oscar:!:.

[pipe wrenched]

Oh I forgot about that. I ripped him for that one. That was a fucking clinic Kesseler put on. Andrade was totally exposed in that fight. Im pretty sure Velasco had Andrade winning by KO also

Oh you know he did. I'm pretty sure he had a streak of picking all the underdogs in an effort to look genius in the unlikely event it should turn out the way his magic 8-ball told him it would.:lol:

[SteveO]

I haven't seen anger like this since Karen used to write on here.

But Ted Sares is on vacation, so I think they're scraping the bottom of the barrel, I guess.

[pipe wrenched]

I haven't seen anger like this since Karen used to write on here.

But Ted Sares is on vacation, so I think they're scraping the bottom of the barrel, I guess.

Ted Sares is professionalism at it's finest. I usually enjoyed and or learned something from Paul McCreath's articles too (I think he goes by Hiker on the front threads).

[SteveO]

Ted Sares is professionalism at it's finest. I usually enjoyed and or learned something from Paul McCreath's articles too (I think he goes by Hiker on the front threads).

Ted is a great writer. Agree or disagree, he writes excellent articles.

[RUSKULL]

Let's be fair here: The WBC said "this is what you need to do to get a title shot." Peter did it and had to do it again. He trained hard, showed improvement in his technical skills and earned his title shot again. He may not have beaten stellar opposition to get to this point, but he did what he had to do to earn his shot regardless. I'd say he's more worthy of a shot than Peter Okhello, Monte Barrett, and Ray Austin.

I don't mean it as a rap at Peter, rather a rap at the WBC. They made their own mess, they granted emeritus champion status to Vitali upon his retiring, then they had an eliminator with 2 unworthy HW's, then they somehow had another eliminator with McCall for God know's what reason........... it's pathetic. But no, Peter did what was asked of him twice, you're right.

[brooklyn1550]

I don't mean it as a rap at Peter, rather a rap at the WBC. They made their own mess, they granted emeritus champion status to Vitali upon his retiring, then they had an eliminator with 2 unworthy HW's, then they somehow had another eliminator with McCall for God know's what reason........... it's pathetic. But no, Peter did what was asked of him twice, you're right.

Hopefully the WBC mess gets sorted out completely sometime in 2008

[AJAX]

The WBC is and always will be a mess.....they make sure of it

[Dr Gonzo]

i laughed the whole way through that rubbish - absolute shite; i feel dumber for reading it

Chris Byrd beating Peter? he would be out cold by the 3rd, and big fat Rahman is too slow and out of shape to be effecive

what a crock of shit

[BoxingGuru]

I think the article is dead on. Peter can't beat any of those fighters unless he cheats as usual. He AIMS for the back of the head.

Scam Cheater will lose A WIDE UD to Maskaev.

[theunderdog]

i'm surprised this thread has not been closed yet. i've seen many threads that get closed because we cannot criticize articles.

i asked the admin for a justification and they said that the writers are relative newbies and that criticism would make them stop writing (which for me is a good thing).

anyway, i hope this threads does not get closed at all. we should be allowed to criticize aritcles as that would only make the writers better. they should be willing and able to defend themselves in writing those articles.

[tays001]

I don't mind unpopular opinions, but that was just fuckin' stupid. Every time ESB publishes on the those jokers the site's reputation goes down.

:lol: :lol: :good

[tays001]

i'm surprised this thread has not been closed yet. i've seen many threads that get closed because we cannot criticize articles.

i asked the admin for a justification and they said that the writers are relative newbies and that criticism would make them stop writing (which for me is a good thing).

anyway, i hope this threads does not get closed at all. we should be allowed to criticize aritcles as that would only make the writers better. they should be willing and able to defend themselves in writing those articles.

hell yes they should they shoudl show there faces. just punk prescot:rofl

[swedeone]

I think the article is dead on. Peter can't beat any of those fighters unless he cheats as usual. He AIMS for the back of the head.

Scam Cheater will lose A WIDE UD to Maskaev.



:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Just be glad Sam never actually landed a real shot against Wladamir and thus, ended his career three years ago. So, Einstein, tell all of us, in your great boxing wisdom, how Sam "cheated" in beating the living shit out of James Toney in the second fight and knocking Jeremy Williams into another life with a single shot? Do tell. :hi:

[rodney]

Peter can box a lick.
Gets stopped by Maskaev --- early.

[brooklyn1550]

I think the article is dead on. Peter can't beat any of those fighters unless he cheats as usual. He AIMS for the back of the head.

Scam Cheater will lose A WIDE UD to Maskaev.

Are you the author?:lol:

[brooklyn1550]

Peter can box a lick.
Gets stopped by Maskaev --- early.

Good one - way to take into consideration their chins and styles

[RUSKULL]

i laughed the whole way through that rubbish - absolute shite; i feel dumber for reading it

Chris Byrd beating Peter? he would be out cold by the 3rd, and big fat Rahman is too slow and out of shape to be effecive

what a crock of shit

I think Byrd beats Peter if they fought right now...............

[RUSKULL]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Just be glad Sam never actually landed a real shot against Wladamir and thus, ended his career three years ago. So, Einstein, tell all of us, in your great boxing wisdom, how Sam "cheated" in beating the living shit out of James Toney in the second fight and knocking Jeremy Williams into another life with a single shot? Do tell. :hi:

Yeah because Jeremy Williams is such a world beater, of that's right, he's a never was who's been KO'd before. :rofl

[BITCH ASS]

Yeah because Jeremy Williams is such a world beater, of that's right, he's a never was who's been KO'd before. :rofl

So, if Peter is a garbage as you say he is, who then is Klitschko's most dangerous possible opponent?

[Cachibatches]

You know, I alos think Peter is wildly overrated, and yet, he would beat almost all of those guys.

[sst]

Is it even a serious article?
How could anyone pick glass-jawed Rahman to beat Peter? effin hilarious:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Mabie someone the author actually looked at both Peter's and Rahman's careers and figgured since Peter has koed no one in the top 20 and Rahman has gone the distance with Tua he will win the fight. All this speculation is for nothing since Peter has actually only fought one heavyweight contender. No I do not consider Toney a heavyweight contender. He was nothing but a hype job. Against the contender he did fight he lost almost every rd and should have been dqed for his fouls.

Mabie if Peter had not taken the easy rd to a shot we would know more about his abilities. But he has only beat "C" grade heavyweights and looked pretty bad against Klithcko. So to say he would loose to this guy and that guy is hard to argue against. Fact is Peter has not beaten anyone and needed two fights to beat a very old and very out of shape middleweight. He is hardly burnning up the division.

[cross_trainer]

So, if Peter is a garbage as you say he is, who then is Klitschko's most dangerous possible opponent?
Chagaev or perhaps Ibragimov--because in both of their cases, they're unknown quantities whereas Peter has proved beatable.

[Ramshall1]

Where the fuck does ESB come up with some of its writers?

This is easily one of the worst articles on boxing I've ever seen.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but damn.

People actually read that shit and think that they've learned something.

I thought you were exagerating, until I read that crap. . . . horible article.

[swedeone]

Man... some people are completely clueless. :patsch

EVERYONE knows that Sam Peter fought Wladamir Klitschko WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too early in his career and he was in NO WAY ready for a fight on that level. He was too green and didn't have enough experience. He lost a 3 point decision and floored Wlad 3 times with glancing blows. I wouldn't classify his showing as anything but "raw" but it certainly wasn't awful. Did he hit on the side/back of Wlad's head?... yep. Did Wlad hold excessively?... yep. Move on from that, please.

So a couple years later, and a bunch of W's against modest opponents and most impartial boxing fans would agree, he has progressed and improved. But now, he is classified as "garbage"?

:rofl

Samuel Peter would beat every HW out there and could, quite possibly, also beat Wladamir Klitschko. Period.

[Decker]

Remember that guy Miguel Velasco who picked Ray Austin to beat Wladimir by 7th round KO. I cant forget that article. "Austin will control Wlad with his jab, and his awkard style and hard punching with make Wladimir overly cautious and unwilling to trade. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "

And then Wladimir kills his ass in four minutes on a quadruple left hook. That was beautiful I missed that gem :rofl

Compared to K Belford or Prescott pieces that wasn't too bad. Author isn't high on Peter. So what? From all the posts I've read on ESB, most fans have strong biases.

I've never been high or low on Peter. He's what he is - strong punch & chin, not the best boxer out there. He often makes for exciting fights. His performances vs Toney were disappointing. The Sam haters or James fanboys say he lost the first fight. I thought Peter would stop JT in their 2nd fight - he didn't. He does tend to rabbit punch too much.

I'd favor Sam over Rahman. HR has never been the most consistent guy, but if he still has something left it could be a tough fight. I favor Sam over Oleg based mostly on age. If Peter losses or struggles to win, it will create more questions than answers. It will increase the doubts about him as a champ.

[swedeone]

I missed that gem :rofl

Compared to K Belford or Prescott pieces that wasn't too bad. Author isn't high on Peter. So what? From all the posts I've read on ESB, most fans have strong biases.

I've never been high or low on Peter. He's what he is - strong punch & chin, not the best boxer out there. He often makes for exciting fights. His performances vs Toney were disappointing. The Sam haters or James fanboys say he lost the first fight. I thought Peter would stop JT in their 2nd fight - he didn't. He does tend to rabbit punch too much.

I'd favor Sam over Rahman. HR has never been the most consistent guy, but if he still has something left it could be a tough fight. I favor Sam over Oleg based mostly on age. If Peter losses or struggles to win, it will create more questions than answers. It will increase the doubts about him as a champ.


I can see you points... except... how can you say his second performance v.s. Toney was "disappointing"???? :huh

He looked like Pretty Boy Floyd and boxed circles around one of the slicker boxers in recent memory.

[BoxingGuru]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Just be glad Sam never actually landed a real shot against Wladamir and thus, ended his career three years ago. So, Einstein, tell all of us, in your great boxing wisdom, how Sam "cheated" in beating the living shit out of James Toney in the second fight and knocking Jeremy Williams into another life with a single shot? Do tell. :hi:

You're basing Scam Cheaters skills on beating up a fat shot middleweight? Wow, you're definitely the einstein between us both.

[Decker]

I can see you points... except... how can you say his second performance v.s. Toney was "disappointing"???? :huh

He looked like Pretty Boy Floyd and boxed circles around one of the slicker boxers in recent memory. I agree, he clearly won that fight. I thought he had a good chance to stop JT. Peter was fighting a guy that if he was in good shape should be a CW. JT has been in many wars, has taken "supplements", and was in his late 30s. Byrd is slick too - and Wlad dismantled him. Peter critics will say, w/some justification, that Sams win over JT was no big accomplishment. Anyway, have said it before, I've been very even on SP's potential. Maybe he gets better. Nobody knows.

[swedeone]

You're basing Scam Cheaters skills on beating up a fat shot middleweight? Wow, you're definitely the einstein between us both.

Better competition than what Wlad has faced, outside of hime beating a very green Peter. :yep