Is calzahges rein comparable to Super Brian Nielsons

[lefthook31]

Discuss....

[Cookie]

Well there's the small matter of Calzaghe having 20 title defences and Brian Nielsen having absolutely none at all. So I wouldn't say they're too comparable.

[lefthook31]

Well there's the small matter of Calzaghe having 20 title defences and Brian Nielsen having absolutely none at all.

What are you talking about, he held the coveted IBO title, isnt that similar to the WBO?

[DanePugilist]

Had Super Brian Nielsen hit the 50 undefeated mark, instead of 49 - he would have a very small case.

He did win bronze at the Olympics though in 1990, I believe. Dont think Joe was ever there.

Other than that - JC by a landslide.

[lefthook31]

Had Super Brian Nielsen hit the 50 undefeated mark, instead of 49 - he would have a very small case.

He did win bronze at the Olympics though in 1990, I believe. Dont think Joe was ever there.

Other than that - JC by a landslide.

yes he did win bronze. As far as compeition pound for pound their pretty even, with Calzhage having the slight edge coming off the lacy fight. Nielson did beat Witherspoon and Holmes, knocked out jeremy Williams and outboxed Orlin Norris. Not bad Id say. :hey

[Amsterdam]

yes he did win bronze. As far as compeition pound for pound their pretty even, with Calzhage having the slight edge coming off the lacy fight. Nielson did beat Witherspoon and Holmes, knocked out jeremy Williams and outboxed Orlin Norris. Not bad Id say. :hey

:-(

You people truly amaze me at times.

Calzaghe dominated Eubank, Lacy, Woodhall, Starie, Sheika, Brewer, Veit, Mitchell and has a clear win over a focused Reid.

If you think Nielsen's resume is comparable. You know, why even bother?

[DanePugilist]

yes he did win bronze. As far as compeition pound for pound their pretty even, with Calzhage having the slight edge coming off the lacy fight. Nielson did beat Witherspoon and Holmes, knocked out jeremy Williams and outboxed Orlin Norris. Not bad Id say. :heyYes, I would go as far as saying he got better names. But the picture is painted; most of them were overthehill.

In terms of talent; JC by a landslide. Super-Brian did have something however ... I remember Savon made a fool out of him in the semi in O.G, but he did improve as a pro, but his technique was never top notch.

[haavard]

"He did win bronze at the Olympics though in 1990, I believe."

1992.

[DanePugilist]

"He did win bronze at the Olympics though in 1990, I believe."

1992.Sorry its late in my timezone...:lol:

[haavard]

"I remember Savon made a fool out of him in the semi in O.G"

He never fought Savon.

He fought Balado twice. Lost both fights including the one in the Olympics. But he actually had Balado visibly shaken in their first encounter in Kings Cup in Thailand.

Balado was killed in an accident efter the Olympics.

Nielsen retired with an impressive 104-7 amateur record, however you cannot compare Nielsen with Calzaghe as a pro.

The quality of opponents as a pro is much better in the case of Calzaghe.

[DanePugilist]

Only problem is all those guys suck like you !Yes, Amsterdam is the Clit-commander. You on the other hand is the brown target in the jailhouse.

[Amsterdam]

Only problem is all those guys suck like you !

Eubank at that time in his career - B.

Veit, Sheika, Starie, Brewer - B-

Mitchell, Woodhall, Reid - B

Lacy - A-

And he DOMINATED all of them, save for Reid. 'Suck', sure.

[DanePugilist]

"I remember Savon made a fool out of him in the semi in O.G"

He never fought Savon.

He fought Balado twice. Lost both fights including the one in the Olympics. But he actually had Balado visibly shaken in their first encounter in Kings Cup in Thailand.

Balado was killed in an accident efter the Olympics.

Nielsen retired with an impressive 104-7 amateur record, however you cannot compare Nielsen with Calzaghe as a pro.

The quality of opponents as a pro is much better in the case of Calzaghe.I am fairly sure he faced Savon in the semi.... quite positive.

[nervousxtian]

This is a stupid thread, Nielsen never beat anyone worth a damn when they were actually dangerous. One of the most protected fighters of recent time.

[haavard]

Savon competed in the heavyweight division.

Brian and Balado in the super heavyweight division.

Here is a clip from the semifinal:

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Both fighters clowned a lot and Brian hit a lot of air :-)

PS: Calzaghes WBO-title is worth nothing, when there is no mandatory defences.

[Amsterdam]

Yeah that's right . All those guys suck . Nobody cares about them , Nobody will remember them except maybe Eubank and that's a big maybe . They blow !

Eubank is a memorable 'great' elite fighter.

[KO Boxing]

:happy

[Korn_06]

Well this is ESB so your case does not have to be that good in order to promote it Wholeheartedly. But at least there are more differences than similarities between Brian Nielsen and JC

Brian Nielsen has never fought Felix Savon, this was Balardo. Balardo was a very small Super Heavy Weight and chose to fight at that weight because he couldn't beat Felix Savon.

[Max Molyneux]

PS: Calzaghes WBO-title is worth nothing, when there is no mandatory defences.
Why do people complain about mandatries though when the fighter Is a weak? Veit was Joe's mandatory twice. Most fans think the fighter should choose who he wants to fight as well.

[lefthook31]

:-(

You people truly amaze me at times.

Calzaghe dominated Eubank, Lacy, Woodhall, Starie, Sheika, Brewer, Veit, Mitchell and has a clear win over a focused Reid.

If you think Nielsen's resume is comparable. You know, why even bother?

These guys are b to b- level fightes. The fight with Brewer was embarrassing, and Brewere was basically shot. Sheika was nothing ever great, just excting to watch. Woodhall another one that was not that great. Lacy was really a young figher who hadnt really proved anything but still I rank it his best peformance. Joe needs to fight A level opposition to make his mark. His resume is very comparable to Nielsons actually, and the ones who say Nielson only fought his opposition when they were shot, need to see some of Joes fights, especially the Echols and Brewer fights.

[sean]

i thought that calzaghe v echols was very boring

neither fighter landed a single shot .

i enjoyed calzaghe v brewer, one sided but still entertaining.

[Max Molyneux]

The starter of this thread deserves a Calzaghe palm punch barrage.

[Guru_Too_You]

You guys are missing the point.

He's comparing the IBO and WBO titles, not the fighters or level of competition they bested.

[lefthook31]

You guys are missing the point.

He's comparing the IBO and WBO titles, not the fighters or level of competition they bested.

Not really. I like to make these threads because it seems the popularity of fighters overseas elevates them to a level they really shouldnt be at. To me its just laughable when guys like Calzhage are compared to Roy Jones, or Bernard Hopkins. Or Vitali Klitschko compared to Lennox Lewis. These guys havent accomplished enough in the sport to elevate them to those levels. Joe Calzahge is a very popular fighter in the UK, as was Hatton, but unlike Hatton, Joe hasnt realized that making his mark on the world class elite level requires fighting and making the best fights. I do think Joe has the skills and guts to compete at that elite level, he just needs to get out there and make it happen like Hatton is doing now.
Until then, hes really on the same level as Brian Nielson was, a fighter that has potential, but chooses to fight in his country and against fighters he and his promoters are sure they can beat to make the most money as possible.

[THN]

Not really. I like to make these threads because it seems the popularity of fighters overseas elevates them to a level they really shouldnt be at. To me its just laughable when guys like Calzhage are compared to Roy Jones, or Bernard Hopkins. Or Vitali Klitschko compared to Lennox Lewis. These guys havent accomplished enough in the sport to elevate them to those levels. Joe Calzahge is a very popular fighter in the UK, as was Hatton, but unlike Hatton, Joe hasnt realized that making his mark on the world class elite level requires fighting and making the best fights. I do think Joe has the skills and guts to compete at that elite level, he just needs to get out there and make it happen like Hatton is doing now.
Until then, hes really on the same level as Brian Nielson was, a fighter that has potential, but chooses to fight in his country and against fighters he and his promoters are sure they can beat to make the most money as possible.
Spot on :good

[Guru_Too_You]

Not really. I like to make these threads because it seems the popularity of fighters overseas elevates them to a level they really shouldnt be at. To me its just laughable when guys like Calzhage are compared to Roy Jones, or Bernard Hopkins. Or Vitali Klitschko compared to Lennox Lewis. These guys havent accomplished enough in the sport to elevate them to those levels. Joe Calzahge is a very popular fighter in the UK, as was Hatton, but unlike Hatton, Joe hasnt realized that making his mark on the world class elite level requires fighting and making the best fights. I do think Joe has the skills and guts to compete at that elite level, he just needs to get out there and make it happen like Hatton is doing now.
Until then, hes really on the same level as Brian Nielson was, a fighter that has potential, but chooses to fight in his country and against fighters he and his promoters are sure they can beat to make the most money as possible.

Gotcha. I think that Calzaghe has had all the tools in the world to be right at the top of the pound for pound list. Not to mention, at his best, he's a very enjoyable fighter to watch and even unique.

But your point stands very well. However, just as Taylor is looking to legitimize his title reign in his bout with Pavlik, I feel that Calzaghe can legitimize his reign against Kessler.