Mike Brown vs. Jose Aldo [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

chuffy

08-16-2009, 11:20 AM

This fight will be awesome. I really want Aldo to win this. He's sick. But I just can't see Brown losing tbh. Aldo has a chance as long as it stays standing, but even then Brown's stand-up is good enough to give everyone problems.

Yep, definitely gonna be awesome, sensational fight.

Huge Mike Brown fan, sorry Grievesy! :cool:

Both are devastating, two quality fighters, guaranteed excitement .. :yep

WiDDoW_MaKeR

08-16-2009, 11:43 AM

That's a great fight. I see Mike Brown overpowering him and wearing him out though.

Grievesy

08-16-2009, 12:25 PM

Yep, definitely gonna be awesome, sensational fight.

Huge Mike Brown fan, sorry Grievesy! :cool:

Both are devastating, two quality fighters, guaranteed excitement .. :yep

You never know. Aldo is explosive and brutal. He could catch Brown early. But I'm not getting my hopes up. It will be a great fight regardless of who winss.

chuffy

08-16-2009, 01:57 PM

You never know. Aldo is explosive and brutal. He could catch Brown early. But I'm not getting my hopes up. It will be a great fight regardless of who winss.

I agree, you're right.

In all honesty, i'm really not sure which way this is going to go?

Like you said, great fight.

sugarngold

08-16-2009, 02:00 PM

Expect Mike Brown to be Mike Brown - fundamentally sound, rock solid, and strong as an ox. Aldo seems to have a speed advantage - but that didn't help Uriah Faber against Brown.

Sweet Pea

08-16-2009, 02:53 PM

I'm going wth the upset. Aldo by KO.

Grievesy

08-16-2009, 02:58 PM

Expect Mike Brown to be Mike Brown - fundamentally sound, rock solid, and strong as an ox. Aldo seems to have a speed advantage - but that didn't help Uriah Faber against Brown.

Perhaps but imo, Faber didn't stick to what he's good at, which is wrestling, where maybe his speed would have been beneficial. Let's be honest his striking is not nearly as good as Aldo's.

IntentionalButt

08-16-2009, 08:36 PM

Yeah...Brown-Faber was a great well-rounded fighter versus a very-good-to-great well-rounded fighter.

Brown-Aldo will be a great well-rounded fighter versus an insane striker.

Beebs

08-16-2009, 11:51 PM

I feel like either way I pick I am selling the other guy short; Brown has been earning his spot for years and it seems dumb to doubt him now, but Aldo has looked like a monster, speed, striking, even good submissions.

That said, I think this becomes a defining fight for Brown, and he puts on a masterpiece; I think he will build slowly through the fight, and by around the third it will look a lot like Couture vs Belfort 3, the hands and wrestling setting each other up beautifully, and finishng with the opponent a broken man.

IntentionalButt

11-11-2009, 04:57 PM

This was pushed back a week - is actually NEXT Wednesday, 11/18 :deal

Keep it in your pants!

audio101

11-11-2009, 05:46 PM

I take Brown although hopefully he hasn't stopped his steroid use otherwise I will have to pick Aldo.

Nosbor

11-11-2009, 07:40 PM

As soon as Aldo finds out he cannot blast throung Brown he will become pensive and eventually wilt. Aldo seems like a frontrunner to me. When it gets tough he will give in.

I should add that I am a huge fan of Mike Brown so my feelings on the bout are probably not entirely objective.

TheBradyHawkes

11-11-2009, 08:48 PM

Aldo is such a dynamic striker...I have a feeling he's going to catch Brown and put him out.

IntentionalButt

11-16-2009, 11:49 AM

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IntentionalButt

11-17-2009, 11:49 PM

Guys, this is in less than 24 hours.

No offense ESB MMA forum, but you're a pretty shitty MMA forum. :lol: WEC (and DREAM) threads, it's been my observation, routinely fall to the bottom of page 1 or even all the way to 2 the week of the event, while there the same tired subjects each have several active topics devoted to them (a dozen on Fedor, a few on Lesnar, a couple on Liddell, a few on Kimbo, some on Penn, a few on TUF, a couple on six UFC's from now, Randy, Tito, Gina Carano, Dana, fucking Tank Abbott...anything except the impending household-nameless event)

audio101

11-18-2009, 12:04 PM

I don't think anyone really cares about watching a roided up freak in Mike Brown. Without steroids the guy wouldn't even be on a wec card.:deal

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 01:12 PM

I don't think anyone really cares about watching a roided up freak in Mike Brown. Without steroids the guy wouldn't even be on a wec card.:deal

Well...

why would any fan of MMA want to miss out on an opportunity to see Jose Aldo?? :huh

Beebs

11-18-2009, 01:48 PM

I don't think anyone really cares about watching a roided up freak in Mike Brown. Without steroids the guy wouldn't even be on a wec card.:deal

You are an absolute fucking joke.

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support you claim? What about Aldo; he could very well be juicing. He does live in a country where it is much simpler to get and stronger than his frame would leave you to believe, if we are throwing out wild, stupid accusations, lets do it equally.

Never mind the fact that he has, with 100% certainty been tested after each of his last 4 fights (possibly five, depending on when the CSAC implented the new policy), and been subject to random tests between them.

Even if they were both juiced to the fucking gills, its still an exciting fight; see the majority of MMA in Japan and Brazil as proof.

jimmie

11-18-2009, 01:56 PM

I almost forgot its happening because I dont get Versus anymore but hopefully ill find a stream. The last WEC I got to watch the entire card then it cut out on me 1 minute into Cerrone-Henderson when Cerrone applied I Triangle I was freaking out not knowing what happened.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 03:48 PM

You are an absolute fucking joke.

Do you have a single shred of evidence to support you claim? What about Aldo; he could very well be juicing. He does live in a country where it is much simpler to get and stronger than his frame would leave you to believe, if we are throwing out wild, stupid accusations, lets do it equally.

Never mind the fact that he has, with 100% certainty been tested after each of his last 4 fights (possibly five, depending on when the CSAC implented the new policy), and been subject to random tests between them.

Even if they were both juiced to the fucking gills, its still an exciting fight; see the majority of MMA in Japan and Brazil as proof.

Apparently you can tell by just looking at a guy. Anybody with sculpted abs and biceps - gotta be on roids. :yep

Grievesy

11-18-2009, 05:46 PM

I hate that I'm gonna have to miss this fight. Fucking can't get WEC in the UK. Regardless, this fight should be explosive. Can't wait to watch it tomorrow!!!! I've got Brown by TKO.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 06:01 PM

I hate that I'm gonna have to miss this fight. Fucking can't get WEC in the UK. Regardless, this fight should be explosive. Can't wait to watch it tomorrow!!!! I've got Brown by TKO.

Dude, that's horrid. You guys only just got ESPN not too long ago too, right?

Grievesy

11-18-2009, 06:17 PM

Dude, that's horrid. You guys only just got ESPN not too long ago too, right?

Yeah but I don't think it's like what you guys get. They made a brand new channel. It has UFC which is good and some live sports like American Football, Basketball, NHL etc. but lacks boxing, which is retarded if you ask me considering they hold their own show on Friday's in the States.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 06:26 PM

Yeah but I don't think it's like what you guys get. They made a brand new channel. It has UFC which is good and some live sports like American Football, Basketball, NHL etc. but lacks boxing, which is retarded if you ask me considering they hold their own show on Friday's in the States.

And p4p, I'm willing to bet that the UK has more boxing fans than the U.S. :think

Grievesy

11-18-2009, 06:28 PM

And p4p, I'm willing to bet that the UK has more boxing fans than the U.S. :think

Hmm, I dunno. It's really quite hard to gauge. But one things for sure, we could do with some more boxing on tv. After the last channel, Setanta, fell through we've been without a few of the bigger fights.

wangman

11-18-2009, 06:37 PM

Mike Brown by stoppage. Cant get WEC or Strikeforce live in Australia.

Delroc

11-18-2009, 07:05 PM

BROWN GROUND POUND, its got a ring to it. so good of a ring actually that i want him to win that way so i can say it more.

ross

11-18-2009, 10:10 PM

I have Aldo by ko, but not sure how good his ground game is or atleast his takedown defense to afford him more chances at a ko.

Beebs

11-18-2009, 10:24 PM

I have Aldo by ko, but not sure how good his ground game is or atleast his takedown defense to afford him more chances at a ko.

His guard is very good; his BJJ is supposed to be at least as good if not better than his stand up, but he keeps knocking guys out too soon to show us. Browns top game is also very good.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 10:28 PM

His guard is very good; his BJJ is supposed to be at least as good if not better than his stand up, but he keeps knocking guys out too soon to show us. Browns top game is also very good.

I've got butterflies, honestly. As decent as Garcia-Gamburyan is looking, it can't end quickly enough! :lol:

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 10:34 PM

Good chunks of these first two rounds have been absolutely dominated by both...tough to split.

Gambo's a damn ox. He just took the 2nd with his utter denial of Leo's attempts to get out of that corner of the cage for the last minute.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 11:09 PM

WOW!

Brown was just stifled in every aspect of his game, and manhandled. :shock:

audio101

11-18-2009, 11:13 PM

Brown is the most over hyped fighter in mma. He was completely dominated tonight!:bbb

Delroc

11-18-2009, 11:14 PM

i must say Aldo looks dynamic as fuck. i thought brown would out power him but the dude Jose is legit.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 11:16 PM

Brown is the most over hyped fighter in mma. He was completely dominated tonight!:bbb

He's solid all-around, you have to admit. Not spectacular in any single area (except maybe power).

The fact that Aldo's never shown chin issues the very few times his victims have lasted long enough to land made me all the more confident in my pick tonight. Speed kills. I had no idea he could kill a TD like that, though...and from someone so strong and skilled, no less. :scaredas:

Beebs

11-18-2009, 11:22 PM

Wow, the end was very surprising; although I just saw replay and Aldo didn't jus have his hooks in, he had them totally wrapped, very very deep. I guess seeing that, I understand why Brown wasn't moving, he couldn't. Thy was the best backmount I've seen in a while, it's like when a guy gets mount and manages to wrap his legs around, wow, just wow.

Aldo enters pound for pound consideration; I knew his ground game was supposed to be even better than his striking, but good lord! He is stylisically a lot like Anderson Silva, but Silva started as a more pure striker who devoloped a great BJJ game because people didn't want to strike with him; Aldo either seems to devloped his BJJ as his primary weapon, but devloped his deadly striking a about the same rate.

I'm not saying Aldo is better, just saying his games seemed to devlop at the same rate; Aldo also shows none of the lack of aggression Silva has from his relationship with Machida.

Aldo has certainly arrived; here's hoping he keeps developing like he is.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 11:29 PM

Who's even on the horizon? At least when Brown became champ you could say "Well we have Brown vs. Aldo to look forward to (and Brown vs. Faber II before that)". Now ???

Honestly Jose would walk through Gamburyan in a round. And Faber.

Bibiano? Hioki?

Someone like a Mizu or Bowles moving up would be dynamite...literally. Fire in the hole.

Beebs

11-18-2009, 11:30 PM

I hate MMA "fans" like yo Audio. Guy works his whole adult life, longer with his wrestling days, most of it in small orgs because of his weightclass, seeks out a team, in ATT, that is way out of his comfort zone as a wrestler, works his ass off to become a legit striker and grappler, earns everything he has to become the undisputed #1 by beating the former #1, then winning the rematch. He then loses to a guy who appears to be a future pound for pound great, and all of a sudden he is overrated.

You simply are an idiot.

IntentionalButt

11-18-2009, 11:32 PM

Don't sweat it man, every time someone loses they're suddenly "the most overhyped fighter in MMA" to some dickhead.

Torres was "the most overhyped fighter" a couple of months back. Then Machida (in a win!).

Dicks are part of the package. Every sport's got 'em.

jimmie

11-19-2009, 01:46 AM

IntentionalButt

11-19-2009, 02:39 AM

Having just watched the replay...absolutely ridiculous. Aldo did brilliant work for all six and a half minutes. He had Mike made after the first lap, where he was virtually flawless. In addition to being physically nasty, what we learned is that he's an incredibly intelligent fighter.

The first minute saw four clean strikes land - all Aldo's. Slowly forward, then quickly back out seems a simple enough pattern but Mike was totally nonplussed. He kept waiting for mistakes and they didn't come (well, two by my count: one combination that left him wide open on the inside with his arms twisted up, and one point where he pulled straight back and took a grazing jab...but Jose was both physically and mentally quick enough to recover both times before being made to pay). Then the stiff leg kicks to keep Brown honest while leaning back out of range of his stubbier arms...coupled with blazing counterpunches if the distance closed. And the strength in his legs - not to mention the anticipation and awareness - to maintain those stuffs...wow.

He basically just stuck a flag in Brown at the end; even before he got his back you could tell from body language - it was just possessive, that's the only way you can describe it. Like "I've got you, you belong to me now". Crazy.

Brown almost got KTFO about 2 minutes in (knee followed by several punches, clearly hurt; this was the point where he decided the hell with trading and held on for dear life, committed to bringing it to the mat the rest of the way). He may have just simply never recovered from that.

Grievesy

11-19-2009, 11:10 AM

His guard is very good; his BJJ is supposed to be at least as good if not better than his stand up, but he keeps knocking guys out too soon to show us. Browns top game is also very good.

This was my problem leading up to the fight. I wasn't quite sure how good Aldo's ground game and takedown defence was and so, regardless of him having the stronger stand-up, picked Brown thinking he'd take Aldo down and pound him out. Aldo proved that his takedown d is top notch and destroyed Brown.

Aldo is such an explosive striker!!! Can't wait to see him again.

Sweet Pea

11-19-2009, 12:28 PM

Aldo has that Anderson Silva vibe going on. That vibe where as soon as they start to work you know the difference in class between the two fighters in the ring, and it was obvious last night. He's the new big thing.

Beebs

11-19-2009, 02:55 PM

Sweet Pea

11-19-2009, 05:40 PM

Until he loses, when he will be a hype job you knew sucked all the time right?Nope, I never bought into Torres the way most guys did, though he was very good technically. I buy into Aldo 100%. He has the total package.

Beebs

11-19-2009, 06:14 PM

Nope, I never bought into Torres the way most guys did, though he was very good technically. I buy into Aldo 100%. He has the total package.

So if he fails to meet the mark set by Torres, many questions come to mind: are they both hype jobs? Does Aldo losing justify Torres as the real deal? Will Aldo just have been unlucky whereas Torres had it coming for being a hype job?

Hype job implies lack of actual credentials, who has more at 135 than Torres?

IntentionalButt

11-19-2009, 06:21 PM

So if he fails to meet the mark set by Torres, many questions come to mind: are they both hype jobs? Does Aldo losing justify Torres as the real deal? Will Aldo just have been unlucky whereas Torres had it coming for being a hype job?

Hype job implies lack of actual credentials, who has more at 135 than Torres?

I totally get where you're coming from Beebs but it could be argued even if Aldo's magical journey comes to an end against a yet unknown quantity that featherweight is just the deeper division, all told. Personally I think 135 is pretty deep, but would certainly entertain the argument that it pales in comparison.