Green never beaten a true top 5 fighter

[T.C.W]

He calls himself a 3 time world champ, he has never beaten a top 5 fight in 168,175,200 since he has been a pro.


I like Green but this really gets on my nerves.

[pecks]

What did I tell you?!
Get back to the Abo thread in the lounge ya clown! :lol:

[T.C.W]

What did I tell you?!
Get back to the Abo thread in the lounge ya clown! :lol:do you agree or not

[pecks]

do you agree or notWeren't you just 10 minutes ago trying to convince me that he beat Beyer? :lol:

[IrnBruMan]

He calls himself a 3 time world champ, he has never beaten a top 5 fight in 168,175,200 since he has been a pro.


I like Green but this really gets on my nerves.

Hey TeeHee, if I agree with you, will you start the same fucken thread about Mundine?

You ya farkennnnnn......gaaarrrnnnttt

[T.C.W]

Weren't you just 10 minutes ago trying to convince me that he beat Beyer? :lol:but didn't beat him, I think he won the first and was robbed. But he was beaten soundly in the second.

[T.C.W]

Hey TeeHee, if I agree with you, will you start the same fucken thread about Mundine?

You ya farkennnnnn......gaaarrrnnnttt
No sir

[luds]

If greens a 3 time world champ,but mundine slapped him silly for 12 rounds,and mundines not a true world champ,and beyer schooled him the second time around ,only for kessler to destroy beyer...then what does it all mean

[IrnBruMan]

No sir

That's better - you keep calling me sir and I might stop calling you caarnt :yep

Mundine calls himself 3 time world champ.

What top 5 fighters has Mundine beaten?

2 filled out MW's in Echols and Soliman for a vacant second-tier SMW belt, and Geale for the IBO MW belt.

Why no problem with Mundine doing this?

[IrnBruMan]

If greens a 3 time world champ,but mundine slapped him silly for 12 rounds,and mundines not a true world champ,and beyer schooled him the second time around ,only for kessler to destroy beyer...then what does it all mean

ya mutha

[WhataRock]

Where would you rank Lucas at the time he beat him?

[T.C.W]

That's better - you keep calling me sir and I might stop calling you caarnt :yep

Mundine calls himself 3 time world champ.

What top 5 fighters has Mundine beaten?

2 filled out MW's in Echols and Soliman for a vacant second-tier SMW belt, and Geale for the IBO MW belt.

Why no problem with Mundine doing this?I do have a problem with Mundine saying he is a 3 time champion, when he is not, he held the WBA title for 1 months after Sevn called it a day in 2004, he has not beaten a top 5 fighter in his career as well just a couple of 5 to 10 fighters like Green,Soliman the second fight,echols,Geale.

[IrnBruMan]

I do have a problem with Mundine saying he is a 3 time champion, when he is not, he held the WBA title for 1 months after Sevn called it a day in 2004, he has not beaten a top 5 fighter in his career as well just a couple of 5 to 10 fighters like Green,Soliman the second fight,echols,Geale.

You're only saying that because Mundine's aboriginal :lol:

[T.C.W]

You're only saying that because Mundine's aboriginal :lol:no, I believe that, I mite be bad at grammer, I know boxing, I grew up around it

[rusty nails]

the beatings hes handed out to beyer, lucas, griffin and drews (all of whom were legit top ten guys) make this thread irrelevant

[dominator]

This should settle any doubts: :good

Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - SMW:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - LH:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Mundine beat Echols in 2003, who was ranked #4 that year.

Green doesn't have any top 5 scalp, let alone top 10 given Lucas wasn't rated in the top 10 in 2003.

[waynesmale]

keeping all this in mind Green is finally at the weight he belongs in. NEVER and i repeat NEVER should he have fought at SM and he had what 2...3 fights at Lightheavy all 1 sided wins and now a CW win.

Either way you say Green has never defeated a top 10 ranked fighter now he can have that test as he finally is where he belongs. I say this with no doubt in my minds he beats Tarver, Johnson and yes i will get hell for this the most overrated fighter out there Dawson. He might not beat Dawson but he would sure given him a good smacking.

[Francis75]

keeping all this in mind Green is finally at the weight he belongs in. NEVER and i repeat NEVER should he have fought at SM and he had what 2...3 fights at Lightheavy all 1 sided wins and now a CW win.

Either way you say Green has never defeated a top 10 ranked fighter now he can have that test as he finally is where he belongs. I say this with no doubt in my minds he beats Tarver, Johnson and yes i will get hell for this the most overrated fighter out there Dawson. He might not beat Dawson but he would sure given him a good smacking.


LOL at this comment. Green would lose to all of Dawson/Tarver/Glen Johnson. Even though Tarver and Johnson are ancient they would still be way too good for Green at 175. And Chad Dawson would absolutely embarrass Danny Green by winning every second of every rd.

[rob_007]

watch the fight with drews it was rigged.. he didnt throw more than 100 punches the whole fight and it was for the light heavy title.. i hope jones knocks him out!!!! calls himself true blue lol

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

This thread emphasizes the danger of comparing fighters of different eras.

In Australia alone we've had many great fighters who challenged unsuccessfully years ago for 'real' world titles or fought long and distinguished careers and never got a chance at challenging for a 'real' world title - we're talking here about eras when there were only 1, 2 or at worst 3 world titles on offer.

These days fighters can avoid the very top fighters in their divisions like the plague and still accumulate a CV full of relatively worthless belts.

Good luck to Green and Mundine Jnr for their relative successes but if anybody dares to compare them to our true boxing greats....

.....I'LL BLOODY WELL THROW UP!!

[pecks]

He might not beat Dawson but he would sure given him a good smacking.So how does that work? Going by your words Dawson is a glass chin waiting to happen, and Green's a massive puncher. How does Green just give him a good smacking without knocking him out, yet still lose?

It would have actually been less moronic to just say that you still think Green KO's him.

[AustraHungarian]

keeping all this in mind Green is finally at the weight he belongs in. NEVER and i repeat NEVER should he have fought at SM and he had what 2...3 fights at Lightheavy all 1 sided wins and now a CW win.

Either way you say Green has never defeated a top 10 ranked fighter now he can have that test as he finally is where he belongs. I say this with no doubt in my minds he beats Tarver, Johnson and yes i will get hell for this the most overrated fighter out there Dawson. He might not beat Dawson but he would sure given him a good smacking.

Pull your head in! Dawson would make The Green Machine look like a chump! If Adamek struggled with Dawson then what chance would Danny have

[stiflers mum]

Pull your head in! Dawson would make The Green Machine look like a chump! If Adamek struggled with Dawson then what chance would Danny have
:p:p:p
most unbiased people realise this hence the retirement after winning the WBA LHW titlewithout once defending it.he had something that the big boys in the division wanted and would have easily taken from him.thats why hes won the CW from a bum rather than stay at LHW and take the fights many think he ran from.quite smart when you think about it.

[WhataRock]

This should settle any doubts: :good

Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - SMW:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - LH:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Mundine beat Echols in 2003, who was ranked #4 that year.

Green doesn't have any top 5 scalp, let alone top 10 given Lucas wasn't rated in the top 10 in 2003.


Nah really doesnt settle anything..Those rankings are for year ending.

Green destroyed Lucas right at the end of 2003, so its no surprise he fell out of the rankings.

At the time he beat him he was likely in the top 5, at least in the top 10..Any objective observer would had had this way seeing as though he was top 4 at the end of 2002 and he lost a highly debatable decision just before he lost to Green.

Either way these rankings are pretty bullshit a lot of the time anyway.

[stiflers mum]

the beatings hes handed out to beyer, lucas, griffin and drews (all of whom were legit top ten guys) make this thread irrelevant
how does that work? the thread is saying that he never beat a top 5 fighter not a top 10.

[IrnBruMan]

Nah really doesnt settle anything..Those rankings are for year ending.

Green destroyed Lucas right at the end of 2003, so its no surprise he fell out of the rankings.

At the time he beat him he was likely in the top 5, at least in the top 10..Any objective observer would had had this way seeing as though he was top 4 at the end of 2002 and he lost a highly debatable decision just before he lost to Green.

Either way these rankings are pretty bullshit a lot of the time anyway.

I agree - don't know why Echols was ranked so highly by Ring, considering that by the time he fought Mundine he already had 4 losses on his record, had had only a handful of fights at SMW, and his best win at SMW was the controversial ref stoppage in the Brewer fight, where Echols got dropped twice before the ref stopped the fight while Brewer was still on his feet.

Echols was highly over-rated.

Green, meanwhile, has the scalps of Lucas and Drews on his resume, and considering he beat Lucas for the interim WBA SMW title and he beat Drews for the real WBA LHW title, I'd say he has beaten at least 2 top 5 fighters, if you want to get official about it.

[ashley]

You would have to think Lucas was in the top 5....he was the WBC champ for a few years.

Don't know much about Drews other than he beat Branco who was getting on a bit....maybe not top 5 but top 10.

If all Greens going to do is beat fringe top 5 to 10 in the world bring it on :good

I don't understand this beat the best or forget it attitude.

Nobody here is calling Green P4P champ.....fact is he's a 3 or 4 time world title winner in 3 divisions.....but we all know what belts he's won and who he fought....nobody here is saying he's like Fenech

[IrnBruMan]

The way I look at it is, if you've beaten the bloke who holds one of the big 4 belts in your division, then you've beaten a top 5 fighter.

Drews was the holder of the WBA LHW belt, so he was top 5.

Lucas was most certainly top 8 (if you account for 2 fighters for each of the big 4 belts i.e. the beltholder and the #1 contender).

[ashley]

The way I look at it is, if you've beaten the bloke who holds one of the big 4 belts in your division, then you've beaten a top 5 fighter.

Drews was the holder of the WBA LHW belt, so he was top 5.

Lucas was most certainly top 8 (if you account for 2 fighters for each of the big 4 belts i.e. the beltholder and the #1 contender).

Lucas had to be top 5 he held the WBC strap for 3 years :huh....let me look it up

[ashley]

Lucas had to be top 5 he held the WBC strap for 3 years :huh....let me look it up

Ok just under 2 years and 4 fights

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

This thread only emphasizes the absolute pile of crap we get served up now regarding World Titles.

IMO most, or perhaps all, of the dime-a-dozen titles on offer aren't fit to carry the name 'World Title'.

A hundred years or more ago when there was only one 'Championship' it made sence that the title was called 'World Title' because winning it made you the-best-in-the-world.

Winning a single title these days, particularly a Mickey Mouse one, doesn't make you a World Champion IMO. It certainly doesn't make you the best in the world!

...afterall, what worlds are we talking about here?

...last time I looked there was only one World FFS!!

[goodnight]

the beatings hes handed out to beyer,
beyer was actually coming back in that fight and if it had of gone the distance I reckon beyer would have won. The last 6 rounds would have ended the same way as their 2nd fight.
Its irrelevant anyway because he was rightfully dq'ed for some shocking headbutts. So actually he never beat beyer and was schooled badly by him...

[Francis75]

This thread only emphasizes the absolute pile of crap we get served up now regarding World Titles.

IMO most, or perhaps all, of the dime-a-dozen titles on offer aren't fit to carry the name 'World Title'.

A hundred years or more ago when there was only one 'Championship' it made sence that the title was called 'World Title' because winning it made you the-best-in-the-world.

Winning a single title these days, particularly a Mickey Mouse one, doesn't make you a World Champion IMO. It certainly doesn't make you the best in the world!

...afterall, what worlds are we talking about here?

...last time I looked there was only one World FFS!!

Spot on. If Mundine and Green were fighting in the 1970's when there was only 2 belts (WBC & WBA) neither of them would have won anything and if they did have the balls to challenge for the title then they would have had to face the best. Green certainly wouldn't be fighting garbage like Drews or Dominguez standard fighters if he fought for a world title in the 70's.

[waynesmale]

Guys can keep on laughing at my moments on Dawson but when Johnson beats him AGAIN like he did the first time and was robbed then you will see that Dawson is just hype.

He is good but far from great.

[Francis75]

Guys can keep on laughing at my moments on Dawson but when Johnson beats him AGAIN like he did the first time and was robbed then you will see that Dawson is just hype.

He is good but far from great.

Please stop with this robbery nonsense. The first Dawson-Johnson fight was very very close, it certainly wasn't a robbery either way. If someone believes that Johnson won a very close fight then fair enough, personally i believe that Dawson probably just won the fight but it was very close. Imo some people believe Johnson won because the rds that he won were more dominant than the rds that Dawson won and therefore he did the more damage etc but each rd is scored individually and you can't judge a fight as a whole. To say it was a robbery is just stupid. You obviously don't like Dawson as a fighter whereas i believe he is very good and definately the best at 175 today. At the age of 26 he has faced and beaten Adamek easily, Tarver twice easily, close win over Glen Jphnson. Dawson is also showing the balls to rematch Johnson when others probably wouldn't and he is also seeking a fight with BHop. I believe Dawson will beat Johnson much clearer in the rematch and also be too young and fresh against Hopkins next year but you will no doubt disagree.

[IrnBruMan]

This thread only emphasizes the absolute pile of crap we get served up now regarding World Titles.

IMO most, or perhaps all, of the dime-a-dozen titles on offer aren't fit to carry the name 'World Title'.

A hundred years or more ago when there was only one 'Championship' it made sence that the title was called 'World Title' because winning it made you the-best-in-the-world.

Winning a single title these days, particularly a Mickey Mouse one, doesn't make you a World Champion IMO. It certainly doesn't make you the best in the world!

...afterall, what worlds are we talking about here?

...last time I looked there was only one World FFS!!

I agree

[jb1]

i was on my flight back from LA to sydney and ran into danny green he is a lovely guy he posed for pictures and even said hey do u want a photo with the belt im sure he was tired and was lookin forward to getting home cause it was 11:30pm so it was much appreciated

[BoppaZoo]

This should settle any doubts: :good

Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - SMW:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - LH:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Mundine beat Echols in 2003, who was ranked #4 that year.

Green doesn't have any top 5 scalp, let alone top 10 given Lucas wasn't rated in the top 10 in 2003.Green has a top ten scalp i believe that Drews was ranked 9 at the time of there fight.

[WhataRock]

i was on my flight back from LA to sydney and ran into danny green he is a lovely guy he posed for pictures and even said hey do u want a photo with the belt im sure he was tired and was lookin forward to getting home cause it was 11:30pm so it was much appreciated


Good stuff jb.

[WhataRock]

Green has a top ten scalp i believe that Drews was ranked 9 at the time of there fight.


I see you are struggling in the fantasy league Boppa...Im sitting comfortably in 3rd I think. :spliff

[MiracleMan]

Regardless Danny has had a good career until now. And his record is still a lot stronger than Alan Green and Arthur Abrahams. Who are 2 fighters, the world just can't get enough of.

[doomeddisciple]

Lucas had gone 12 rounds with Jones Jnr and was ranked in the top 5 at 168 when Green stopped him.

[Farmboxer]

is green too green?

[pecks]

You would have to think Lucas was in the top 5....he was the WBC champ for a few years.

Don't know much about Drews other than he beat Branco who was getting on a bit....maybe not top 5 but top 10.

If all Greens going to do is beat fringe top 5 to 10 in the world bring it on :good

I don't understand this beat the best or forget it attitude.

Nobody here is calling Green P4P champ.....fact is he's a 3 or 4 time world title winner in 3 divisions.....but we all know what belts he's won and who he fought....nobody here is saying he's like Fenech
I think Drews was ranked around 8th or 9th. Not sure about Lucas, he may have been ranked 5th, or maybe a bit more down the track. Robin Reid (who was quite underrated IMO) would have been in the mix around then. He was still regarded as a good scalp though, and Green smashed him.

[Phil Austin]

Danny Green never fought Robin Reid or have I read you wrong?

[pecks]

Danny Green never fought Robin Reid or have I read you wrong?Yu wed we wong. :D
Though I probably could have worded it better.

[BoppaZoo]

I see you are struggling in the fantasy league Boppa...Im sitting comfortably in 3rd I think. :spliffYeah. Mate made the biggest stuff up all time.

You know how good Howard was for Everton last year. Well i thought yeah ill go with Howard over Schwarzer.

What happens Arsenal put 6 past him.

Man. Thats what i call some shit Keeping.

[Hmmm]

Bring back friedel. much better than howard IMO

[WhataRock]

Yeah. Mate made the biggest stuff up all time.

You know how good Howard was for Everton last year. Well i thought yeah ill go with Howard over Schwarzer.

What happens Arsenal put 6 past him.

Man. Thats what i call some shit Keeping.


My team was pretty Everton heavy because they are my team but I decided to go for a value option for the keeper.

Kirkland from Wigan..He had a really good season last year and is a decent second tier keeper. At 5.5 points absolute bargin..hopefully he keeps some clean sheets.

[Phil Austin]

How good was the Burnley keeper? Gotta love it when Man U gets stuffed! Hammers for a top 6 finish this year!

[WhataRock]

What about that strike from Blake?

[Phil Austin]

yeah top shelf! Given added kudos cos it made Fergusson look like his head would explode!

[pecks]

How good was the Burnley keeper? Gotta love it when Man U gets stuffed! Hammers for a top 6 finish this year!
I was watching the Liverpool/Stoke game, but flicked over for the last 10 minutes to see Manure lose :D

Btw, I kinda got lazy with the fantasy league. Can I go back now and change my whole team? Because I just picked 'auto pick' before and was going to change it later.

[WhataRock]

You can do 2 transfers a week I think mate..but if you want to change your whole team there looks like there is some option where you can transfer as many guys as you want but only for that week and you cant do that again throughout the whole season.

[Francis75]

yeah top shelf! Given added kudos cos it made Fergusson look like his head would explode!

I love it when Ferguson gets cranky and all red in the face. :lol:

[Phil Austin]

well the bottle of scotch a day guarentees every day is a red face day for Auld Alec - it's when he goes a more mottled purple you know he's really pissed! LOL

[pecks]

Man U have looked shit in attack so far. Though they're generally slow starters so I wouldn't read too much into it just yet.
Still, they're missing Vidic and Ferdinand, especially during corners and set pieces. I'm not about to get too worked up over it. :cool:

[pecks]

You can do 2 transfers a week I think mate..but if you want to change your whole team there looks like there is some option where you can transfer as many guys as you want but only for that week and you cant do that again throughout the whole season.
Cheers.
I probably wont bother seeing as how I never really ride these things right through anyhow. I've still never even finished an NRL tipping comp. :-(
It's an interesting concept and I'll have to give it a go sometime.

[BoppaZoo]

My team was pretty Everton heavy because they are my team but I decided to go for a value option for the keeper.

Kirkland from Wigan..He had a really good season last year and is a decent second tier keeper. At 5.5 points absolute bargin..hopefully he keeps some clean sheets.Yeah Kirkland underated but i would be to worried his Defense might leak too many and they get relegated.

Its still early i suppose.

Howard and Cahill were my Everton picks as i follow the Toffees for the moment until Leeds one day get back there.

Which could be never.

[Melbourneborn]

Never looked over his record in great depth, but can't off the top of my head recall any top 5's. Lucas? Not top 5 when Green beat him.. but, having said that, Green himself was top 5 after that fight in my opinion.

Also, Green has the right to call himself a World Champion. He earnt that by beating Stripe Drews. He won a legitimate world title. But, he was never a world champion at SMW, nor is this IBO strap a legit title.

Danny Green - 1 time world champion.

[Kegsy]

Never looked over his record in great depth, but can't off the top of my head recall any top 5's. Lucas? Not top 5 when Green beat him.. but, having said that, Green himself was top 5 after that fight in my opinion.

Also, Green has the right to call himself a World Champion. He earnt that by beating Stripe Drews. He won a legitimate world title. But, he was never a world champion at SMW, nor is this IBO strap a legit title.

Danny Green - 1 time world champion.
:good