Was Calzaghe an ATG?

[brown bomber]

Vote now. :D

[kosaros]

Oh FFS :lol:

[brown bomber]

Oh FFS :lol:Answer the friggin question:D

[kosaros]

Answer the friggin question:D

What, with those answers that are available? :lol:

[brown bomber]

Yes please.

[brown bomber]

0-4 oh dear.... my wicked plan seems to be working...

[THE KNUCKLE]

The guy was unbeaten in 12 or 13 year or close to it so its a no brainer if u ask me.,,if benn,eubank,collins r legends then what is calzaghe

[dan-b]

The guy was unbeaten in 12 or 13 year or close to it so its a no brainer if u ask me.,,if benn,eubank,collins r legends then what is calzaghe

The three guys you mention are British legends but certainly aren't ATGs. There is not enough depth to their resumes.

[jc]

Bad thread by a generally good poster.

[brown bomber]

Lol thanks jc

[Jamie26]

Should have been an ATG. Had the talent , but wasted too much of his career fighting c-level fighters . Should have went too America earlier

[dan-b]

Does anyone believe he really was scared of planes?

[rydersonthestorm]

I think he is bordering on atg it depends on how many people you have on the list, i would say he is between 90-200 on the atg list depedning were you want to rank him.

[Jamie26]

Does anyone believe he really was scared of planes?

I think he lacked confidence ,

[THE KNUCKLE]

the three guys you mention are british legends but certainly aren't atgs. There is not enough depth to their resumes.
hopkins and jones r,i know they were not at there best but,calzaghe came through some tear ups with his arm raised at all times in the end

[Gaz S]

Does anyone believe he really was scared of planes?

I believe he was scared of where the planes may end up taking him...

...and he wasn't too scared when there was money to be made against fighters who were no longer considered to be at their peak.

[Dan684]

Calzaghe lacked the confidence in himself of which his gobshite dad certainly did not :deal

[slip&counter]

ATG skills not ATG achievements

[king s]

I would say calzaghe is an atg

[teessider]

Calzaghe lacked the confidence in himself of which his gobshite dad certainly did not :deal

Are you saying he had the ability but lacked the confidence to be an ATG?:think

[Dan684]

No i'm saying....like I have before, that he could have WON some interesting fights over the years BUT he didn't. He had a chance against all apart from Jones. Hopkins should have been a pick'em but he never took it. Jones would have wasted him though.

Never did I say anything about an ATG. That is obsurd :lol:

I also think with a better coach he could have been tons better. I think his natural boxing ability leaves a lot to be desired

[JonOli]

Yes, I think he is a top 100 ATG fighter.

[kosaros]

So its even in the poll - although there are at least 2 Calzaghe haters voting no (JT and Dan) which means their votes shouldn't count :lol:

Looks like Calzaghe is going to come out on top again and stay undefeated :happy

[Dan684]

Do one Kos. If i'm a hater or nuthugger (you) then we're allowed our opinions

[kosaros]

Do one Kos. If i'm a hater or nuthugger (you) then we're allowed our opinions

I ain't a nuthugger, ok I like him, but he isn't exactly one of my fave fighters.

You on the other hand, said that Calzaghe was owned by Hopkins in another thread :lol:

[radab]

So its even in the poll - although there are at least 2 Calzaghe haters voting no (JT and Dan) which means their votes shouldn't count :lol:

Looks like Calzaghe is going to come out on top again and stay undefeated :happy




I aint even voting in this retarded poll, but needless to say, of course the guys an ATG

[Dan684]

Yeah but I did put a ":rofl:" underneath it

[Dan684]

Radab I actually think the choices in the poll best describe everyone IN THE WORLD !!!

[mattress]

This is getting almost 'betty-like'.

[beecho1988]

best SM of all time

[D-MAC]

Define ATG?

He could probably just about sneak into my top 100 of all-time. Does that make him an ATG?

['Ben']

Well if Calzaghe isn't an all time great then what about any other british fighter? I can't think of any that will qualify in my lifetime if he won't.

[Evil Rich]

Vote now. :D

I assume the irony of the way you phrased that question is lost on you :nut

[Gaz S]

best SM of all time

Sado Masochist?? :lol:

Gotta disagree with you on that one mate, Roy Jones gets my vote.

[HOF]

Absolutely nowhere near an ATG. In fact he'd have to be classed as nothing more than a useless domestic bum so can't be long before he starts posting on here

[kosaros]

Sado Masochist?? :lol:

Gotta disagree with you on that one mate, Roy Jones gets my vote.

Roy Jones is better H2H, but Calzaghe has the better achievements at the weight.

[El Cepillo]

Borderline.

[brown bomber]

Absolutely nowhere near an ATG. In fact he'd have to be classed as nothing more than a useless domestic bum so can't be long before he starts posting on hereHi dickweed. :good

[Evil Rich]

Hi Jeff, you're losing.

[brown bomber]

Hi Jeff, you're losing.I'm used to it.... :lol:

[Beeston Brawler]

I know next to nothing about boxing..... other than the fact that Calzaghe ain't an ATG.

[Losfer_Words]

:rofl @ the options on this poll. I don't think everyone will ever be convinced on a mass scale that JC was an ATG so I think that answers it; great fighter but not an ATG. I think you have to leave the game with almost every question answered. Defo one of the best ever from these shores, though.

[brown bomber]

:rofl @ the options on this poll. I don't think everyone will ever be convinced on a mass scale that JC was an ATG so I think that answers it; great fighter but not an ATG. I think you have to leave the game with almost every question answered. Defo one of the best ever from these shores, though.I'd go with that, but more fortunate then talented.

[DOM5153]

Vote now. :D

LOL, backfired,

[brown bomber]

LOL, backfired,I know i'm proper devastated. :smoke

[Gaz S]

I know i'm proper devastated. :smoke

Well Jeff, at least in future debates you have it on record at least 21 people here (so far) have actually officially admitted to knowing nothing about boxing!

[TFFP]

Another poor thread.

[mattress]

I'm used to it.... :lol:

:D nice one

[DOM5153]

I know i'm proper devastated. :smoke

Jeff, keep to other subjects their far more enjoyable than the JC ones

[Evil Rich]

I'd go with that, but more fortunate then talented.

Holy hell in a hand basket Jeff, did he used to bully you at school or something? To deny that JC had talent at the very least is COMPLETELY ridiculous, do you at least see how completely bias you are on this subject and that your ability to rationally judge the subject is somewhere near complete zero?

God damn man.

[crespo21]

The three guys you mention are British legends but certainly aren't ATGs. There is not enough depth to their resumes.

RESUME.
I fucking hate that word. Its all you ever hear on the general forum.
Oh and Jeff. Did Joe slap :) you about or something. You have an unhealthy hatrid for him.

[Gaz S]

Holy hell in a hand basket Jeff, did he used to bully you at school or something? To deny that JC had talent at the very least is COMPLETELY ridiculous, do you at least see how completely bias you are on this subject and that your ability to rationally judge the subject is somewhere near complete zero?

God damn man.


I don't think Jeff was implying Calzaghe was not talented, just pointing out if people regard him a being a great, it's more to do with good fortune rather than just his talent.

[brown bomber]

I don't think Jeff was implying Calzaghe was not talented, just pointing out if people regard him a being a great, it's more to do with good fortune rather than just his talent.:goodThese special needs Joe Calzaghe fans need a hell of a lot explaining :lol:

[Evil Rich]

:goodThese special needs Joe Calzaghe fans need a hell of a lot explaining :lol:

I admit it is very hard to sift through your mountains of bullshit to get to your ill conceived thoughts towards a fighter I have mixed feelings about. The only reason I post in his favour is because you are ridiculously over the top, to me he is no where near the top 10 or maybe even top 50 fighters ever but if I was going to make a top 100 there is no way I could leave him off.

The fact is, he beat 2 ATG's, held multiple world championships and never lost. There are lot's of if's and but's in there BUT they are just that, history will remember Joe a lot more favourably than we do now and for good reason. He was quite simply an all time great who through himself and people not wanting to fight him, never became what he could have been, and that is one of the absolute legends of this sport. A legend; no, an ATG; it's undeniable whether you like him or not.

[THE KNUCKLE]

:goodThese special needs Joe Calzaghe fans need a hell of a lot explaining :lol:
GOMEZ IS AN ALL TIME GREAT IN THIS GUYS EYES..MMMMMMM:hi:

[MrPR]

The man is truly a fraud....not even close to being called a great fighter

[brown bomber]

it's undeniable whether you like him or not.No it isn't. He isn't an ATG. See I just denied it. Who are the ATG's he beat?

[brown bomber]

GOMEZ IS AN ALL TIME GREAT IN THIS GUYS EYES..MMMMMMM:hi:Wilfredo?

[THE KNUCKLE]

wilfredo?
michael the mouth

[Evil Rich]

No it isn't. He isn't an ATG. See I just denied it. Who are the ATG's he beat?

B-Hop and RJJ que the excuses I don't care about Jeff, he beat them on there soil by point decisions and he beat them after getting knocked down, shot or not he won. He beat a competitive Hopkin's with broken hands, the RJJ fight I don't see as important and mostly makes me angry that the fight didn't take place 10 years ago but I blame both men for this not just JC (really makes me sore this point, really, really wanted to see this fight in the early 00's).

PS. I amend my comment of undeniably an ATG too, "anyone who can look at this with a level head can not come to any other conclusion then him being an ATG".

[brown bomber]

michael the mouthNot really. Think first hot rod. Could have been funny had you tried a bit harder!

[brown bomber]

B-Hop and RJJ que the excuses I don't care about Jeff, he beat them on there soil by point decisions and he beat them after getting knocked down, shot or not he won. He beat a competitive Hopkin's with broken hands, the RJJ fight I don't see as important and mostly makes me angry that the fight didn't take place 10 years ago but I blame both men for this not just JC (really makes me sore this point, really, really wanted to see this fight in the early 00's).

PS. I amend my comment of undeniably an ATG too, "anyone who can look at this with a level head can not come to any other conclusion then him being an ATG".

Nah he wasn't he was a highly protected sports network fighter who topped an empty division beating bums and past it champions. He barely scraped a worthwhile career beating kessler and Hopkins, the unbeaten record means nothin other then he fought no one for most of his career

[Ischbaad]

I'm pretty surprised at Jeff.

[mattress]

Personally, I'll listen to the plaudits from Benn, Collins, SRL, Hagler, Eubank, RJJ, etc. I am fairly confident that I should take sit up and take note when these guys talk of Calzaghe as being a great fighter.

[mattress]

I'm pretty surprised at Jeff.

Me too. Maybe I am missing the tongue in his cheek? Maybe his missus is using his account? Maybe he's been on the sauce? Who knows?

[crespo21]

The man is truly a fraud....not even close to being called a great fighter

Fuck off back to the general forum where you belong you irritating little Hopkins love child.

[Mazallan]

ATG Welsh supermiddle weight maybe.

[Dan684]

This ^^^^^ :lol:

[essexboy]

He's very good and might sneak into a top 100 list but hes not an ATG for me, his legacy will always have question marks.

[Dan684]

Why you awake at 4:15am ?? ^^^

[essexboy]

Why you awake at 4:15am ?? ^^^

I could ask you the same question! :lol:

I work in a warehouse and I occasionally work nights.

[Dan684]

Ha I occasionally work nights............... tonight is one of them nights :lol:

Get yourself in the Choi Sticky. There's a few on in there :good

[essexboy]

Ha I occasionally work nights............... tonight is one of them nights :lol:

Get yourself in the Choi Sticky. There's a few on in there :good

Will do, mate. :good

[Farmboxer]

Calzaghe will be missed badly.

[MrPR]

Fuck off back to the general forum where you belong you irritating little Hopkins love child.

Suck my dick u calzaghe cunt!!

[Cachibatches]

OF course he was. If that makes me a nuthhugger, than so be it.

[TFFP]

I'm pretty surprised at Jeff.
Same.

Good all-round poster, but not to be taken seriously on this matter.

[HeavyT]

I think hes in the lower end of the ATGs, and the higher end of British ATGs.

[crespo21]

Suck my dick u calzaghe cunt!!

I would never find it.

[Farmboxer]

Calzaghe was truly awesome. I will miss watching his fights.

[essexboy]

I would never find it.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[nickythekid]

maybe i seem ignorant but as a fan/spectator i cant get past his unttractive style, the way he delivers a punch is like a granny. I'm not saying i'd like to jump in the ring with him and show him how its done, just that he's horrible to watch. his stamina and fitness was awe inspiring though. i voted he not an all time great, i havn't got alot of boxing knowledge, i dont like the way he fights. some fighters are a pleasure to watch which maybe atg's should be????

[bingbong]

Amazing the interest Joe still generates, and the condescension he get's from keyboard critics on boxing forums is hilarious. People seem to believe he was Britain's answer to Sven Ottke or something, but the basic fact is you can't go 46-0 and unify belts without being a very talented boxer.

["TKO"]

Vote now. :D

Jeff, give it a rest, I don't think he's an ATG but you're in danger of becoming the next Betty with this vendetta!

[FrochPascal]

ha....ha....ha:cool:

[FrochPascal]

Suck my dick u calzaghe cunt!!

MrPr found hes way over to the british forum to go on about calzaghe again......ZZZZZZZZZ.

Someone posted a calzaghe link from youtube a while back and i clicked on it so it sent me to the site. Guess whos name i saw in the comments----yes you guess it! mrpr:rofl. On and on about calzaghe....daim dont these people get bored

[El Cepillo]

Amazing the interest Joe still generates, and the condescension he get's from keyboard critics on boxing forums is hilarious. People seem to believe he was Britain's answer to Sven Ottke or something, but the basic fact is you can't go 46-0 and unify belts without being a very talented boxer.

Being a very talented boxer and being an ATG are two very different things.

Honestly, I think people are very over sensitive about criticism of Calzaghe. You often can't say anything negative without being labelled all sorts of things. And the sad reality is, Calzaghe attracts THE largest number of nuthuggers on this site.

[duranimal]

He was a man of his times so it's not really fair or possible too genuinlly compare him too ATG's from the past or recent past for that matter seeing that there are so many alfabete title/HBO champs around now. He ducked no one & was most certainly avoided but in this day & age i'll think you'll find it hard too find/get another alltime great today/future as long as there is no hope of any unification fights, Joe was a great titleist for many years & must be ranked up there, he did all that was asked of him & became Undisputed Champ but i don't think thats enough to put him on an equal footing as say a Marvin Hagler:smoke

:D fuck Ottke.

[brown bomber]

Being a very talented boxer and being an ATG are two very different things.

Honestly, I think people are very over sensitive about criticism of Calzaghe. You often can't say anything negative without being labelled all sorts of things. And the sad reality is, Calzaghe attracts THE largest number of nuthuggers on this site.They do get very emotional about it. Its funny, nearly all my other posts are agreeable to 90% of users but suddenly when it comes to Calzaghe I know nothing and i'm blinded by an imaginary vendetta.

Facts are facts... He won 46 fights consecutively. However nearly all his opponents were far below top ten world class, in a poor division. He took 40 fights to step up to a decent standard. Scraped by Hopkins, was floored by an ancient Jones who probably should have stopped him and thats about it.

As someone rightly says winning 46-0 fights consecutively takes talent. He was talented but don't get talented mixed up with great. Emanual Augustus is talented. James Toney is infinately more talented then Calzaghe and he's not a ATG either.

[mattress]

Bettyesque

[TFFP]

They do get very emotional about it. Its funny, nearly all my other posts are agreeable to 90% of users but suddenly when it comes to Calzaghe I know nothing and i'm blinded by an imaginary vendetta.

Facts are facts... He won 46 fights consecutively. However nearly all his opponents were far below top ten world class, in a poor division. He took 40 fights to step up to a decent standard. Scraped by Hopkins, was floored by an ancient Jones who probably should have stopped him and thats about it.

As someone rightly says winning 46-0 fights consecutively takes talent. He was talented but don't get talented mixed up with great. Emanual Augustus is talented. James Toney is infinately more talented then Calzaghe and he's not a ATG either.
Except your facts are not facts, and this is why people come to the conclusion you are blinded by hate because you don't present a balanced argument along with the fact you regularly criticize him just for his style and other trivial matters. Quite a lot of his opponents were top 10 worthy fighters, quite a few weren't also.

You are about as objective as me on Hatton, the sooner you realise that and give it a rest as I have on that subject the better for all involved.

[brown bomber]

Except your facts are not facts, and this is why people come to the conclusion you are blinded by hate because you don't present a balanced argument along with the fact you regularly criticize him just for his style and other trivial matters. Quite a lot of his opponents were top 10 worthy fighters, quite a few weren't also.

You are about as objective as me on Hatton, the sooner you realise that and give it a rest as I have on that subject the better for all involved.Do you hate Hatton?

[TFFP]

Do you hate Hatton?
Absolutely. I tried to convince myself that I didn't, but I havn't got the energy. I hate the fat little cunt and I hate his style, he's the one and only guy I actually can't stand. Therefore I know nobody takes my opinion on him seriously, I'm not commenting on him any longer :yep

[brown bomber]

I like Calzaghe. I think he's a gent. I also think he is a pretty limited boxer in ATG terms.

[Siren1927]

He is the man at 168 but in ATG status hes proabably in the top 100

[Farmboxer]

Calzaghe was to exciting to watch, so much pure natural talent.

[mattress]

Absolutely. I tried to convince myself that I didn't, but I havn't got the energy. I hate the fat little cunt and I hate his style, he's the one and only guy I actually can't stand. Therefore I know nobody takes my opinion on him seriously, I'm not commenting on him any longer :yep

Wrt Hatton, I wonder if Betty will ever see sense too? Somehow, I doubt it!

["TKO"]

Except your facts are not facts, and this is why people come to the conclusion you are blinded by hate because you don't present a balanced argument along with the fact you regularly criticize him just for his style and other trivial matters. Quite a lot of his opponents were top 10 worthy fighters, quite a few weren't also.

You are about as objective as me on Hatton, the sooner you realise that and give it a rest as I have on that subject the better for all involved.

I agree with this. Your comments on Hatton were about as negatively skewed as you could possibly get whilst still maintaining an element of credibility. However, I'm worried about Jeff, starting threads with a negative skew solely for the purpose of criticising the fighter, adding polls where the options are ridiculously biased, inability to leave the subject alone even when it's totally and utterly irrelevant... he's displaying classic symptoms of Bettyitis!

[toffeejack]

Absolutely. I tried to convince myself that I didn't, but I havn't got the energy. I hate the fat little cunt and I hate his style, he's the one and only guy I actually can't stand. Therefore I know nobody takes my opinion on him seriously, I'm not commenting on him any longer :yep

:lol:

Don't hold back now just say how you feel.

[Hooch]

Good chin, Good Power (in his prime), Good speed, Good jab, Good reflexes, Good ring general ship, good dedication, good trainer (for him you all have to admit), poor match making for a spell is his only draw back.

Great fighter will miss him very soon